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Author Topic: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?  (Read 6112 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« on: November 24, 2009, 09:38:49 PM »
Hi, have a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeZ0k3if1S4

What do you think about this ?

Real or a fake ?

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New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« on: November 24, 2009, 09:38:49 PM »

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 10:03:48 PM »
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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 10:12:07 PM »
Fake
TK has already shown how this phenomenon works, okay he is using a different type of magnet wheel, but it clearly demonstrates the principal.
cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXpEqoDJDbM
In this video I demonstrate the autokinetic magnet propulsion effect, also known as the Minato Effect. It's easy for a well-balanced wheel with magnets to be propelled quite rapidly, if the researcher is holding the stator by hand. Oddly enough, the effort required to hold the stator motionless, as the retracpulsion (tm) and repultraction (tm) rotor magnet zones move past the stator position will actually drive the rotor.
You can duplicate this effect with just about any reasonable arrangement of magnets, which probably accounts for the wide variety of (non working) magnet motor designs--they all passed through this kind of manual testing stage, and the inventors were convinced by what they saw--the stator can be held motionless yet the rotor still turns.
Unfortunately, as we all know, as soon as the stator is rigidly mounted the rotor begins to run down. But a heavy rotor can take a long time to run down.

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 10:12:07 PM »
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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 11:27:46 AM »
Hi powercat,
with the Minato effect it is different.
TK only showed the magnet being hold ABOVE the rotor,
where it can be lowered and raised by hand and he made it it this way move.

But with the Russian guy, he hold the stator pretty tight within his hand
at the side of the rotor and the rotor accelerates without
him moving the stator in his hand.

I agree, that it would be required to show the stator
magnet being fixed to a fixed holder stator arm,
but the video looks already pretty convincing,
if he does not have a hidden power source anywhere..

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 05:11:45 PM »
Hi Stefan
Russian guy is using a small magnet wheel, and looking closely he does seem to be moving the stater magnet in his hand.
TK's example is different to this one,was mainly to do with Mylowe, but I feel with different magnet arrangements  different positions will also work, not just from above.

Maybe hes all so combining this with a very small motor, I don't know, if video analysis was done, it might show that there is a working motor.
TK believe these type of magnet motors will never work, and I am inclined to go along with him.

Just my one cents worth, there are others here more fanatical about magnet, hopefully they will join in.

cat
« Last Edit: November 25, 2009, 11:22:20 PM by powercat »

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 05:14:06 AM »
Well, Cat, you did not watch the video carefully.

Please watch it again and have a look at minute:
0:53 to 1:17

There he holds his hand and stator magnet very steady without moving and the rotor keeps
on accelerating.

This is totally different what Minato and TK have shown...

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 06:18:52 AM »
There may be something to this. I agree with Stefan, in that it does not appear the stator moves much at all.

It also appears he has taped some magnets and perhaps some shielding material together for his magnets. It's quite clear that this is different than the typical Minato type motor, due to the wide spacing between magnets, and only 4 large ones for the entire rotor.

The key would be to know what's under the tape, but somehow I doubt we'll find out. Do we know anyone that speaks Russian that can email this guy?

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 06:55:37 AM »
This is a fake.  It's not the Minato effect, the magnets are flying by too fast for a person to consciously or unconsciously react.

I bet that there is a nearly mirror-image setup underneath the table affixed to the bottom of the table and lined up with the setup you see on top of the table.

There is a computer fan motor with a foot-switch to turn it on an off.  Th fan motor has a CD mounted on it with the same or similar accompanying magnets.

When he turns on the fan motor underneath the table with his foot-switch you get a "slip" motor between the setup on top of the table and the setup underneath the table.  A slip motor starts off with very low torque and there is a "slip" between the driving rotor (underneath) and the driven rotor (on top).   Eventually the driven rotor "catches up" with the driving rotor and they become synchronous.  However, it can work in "slip" mode continuously also.

With some practice with the foot switch, and the perfect foot-hand coordination that everyone innately has, you can make a convincing fake demonstration.

I love that Communist-ear wood-chip tablecloth also.  (Or is that toilet paper?  lol)

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 10:40:30 AM »
I do notice one thing:

Normally you could get it turning by "wobbling" your hand a little. But when you watch closely you will see that the CD with the magnets isn't aligned exactly at the center. So it "wobbels" a bit while spinning. Could this wobbeling give the same effect as a "wobbling" hand?   

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Re: New Russian Permanent magnet motor ?
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