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Author Topic: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !  (Read 19554 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« on: February 16, 2006, 12:38:46 AM »
Have a look at this:

http://www.stifflerscientific.org/electrodes.html

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 02:14:38 AM »
This looks promising... but what kind of production would you have to achieve - say using the cell directly in a car with the battery and generator as the source - to duplicate the power output of the same motor running on gasoline?
That's the $$ quesiton.

What are the added costs associated with capturing, pressurizing, and delivering the fuel to combustion?

I just can't get excited about burning fuel to produce energy.   :-\

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 07:57:12 AM »
Hi Group,

    Does anyone know of a precise frequency range which has been used to create flash hydrogen? By the term "Flash Hydrogen" I am refering to an immediate conversion of H2O to its base molecules eg; hydrogen and oxygen by means of molecular breakdown. You may be familiar with the term and if so are more likely to understand my question and the reason for asking for this precise frequency range. The reason for my interest is that I am wondering if it might be possible to tailor a HOPE Generator to operate at this frequency range. If the proper resonant frequencies could be applied using the HOPE approach it would be very interesting to test this theory and I believe that it might be possible to create hydrogen in large volumes using very little actual power to do this. Any input is much appreciated guys.

Best Regards All,

Jim

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2006, 11:37:58 AM »
Hi Jim

Stan Myers was using, if I recall correctly, 21000hrz to fracture water - at .5amp.

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2006, 07:01:40 PM »
Hi Group,

    Does anyone know of a precise frequency range which has been used to create flash hydrogen? By the term "Flash Hydrogen" I am refering to an immediate conversion of H2O to its base molecules eg; hydrogen and oxygen by means of molecular breakdown. You may be familiar with the term and if so are more likely to understand my question and the reason for asking for this precise frequency range. The reason for my interest is that I am wondering if it might be possible to tailor a HOPE Generator to operate at this frequency range. If the proper resonant frequencies could be applied using the HOPE approach it would be very interesting to test this theory and I believe that it might be possible to create hydrogen in large volumes using very little actual power to do this. Any input is much appreciated guys.

Best Regards All,

Jim

It is my understanding that a microwave oven works on the idea that about 2.4 ghz is the frequency that water resonates at.  A microwave vibrates the water molecules and that creates friction, and heat results.  The heat generated by water molecule friction heats/cooks the food.  May also break down water?

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2006, 08:08:43 PM »
thats an interesting thought. I wasnt aware that microwave ovens were designed to that frequency.

however microwave ovens only heat water, they do not facture it into hyrdogen and oxygen. I believe there are other frequencies which could fracture water quickly using little ampage.

I also theorize that this process could be made even more effecient through the use of harmonics.

As to what these harmonics are I cannot say. I have yet to experiment. But I do believe the answser to effeciently getting energy from water is in frequency and not in voltage.


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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2006, 03:04:35 PM »
" frequency and not in voltage "

humm...
Too bad these guys didn't use water.

http://ds1.thatvideosite.com/streamvideo.wmv?id=2289&filename=cmVzb25hbmNlX3NxdWFyZS53bXY%3D&key=1147179023

Frequency square test. Not related to H2 production, but it's an idea.


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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2006, 12:40:16 AM »
Hello to Magick and John in CT,

     First I want to say thank you John, for providing that link to the frequency vid. This is a very good visual example of how sound/frequencies affect various material mass, and this may help some folks to be able to perceive the concept of what we are talking about here.

Secondly, Magick, I believe that you are correct in your perception about harmonics and resonant frequencies having the potential to disrupt and/or reorder mass to the extent that very little electrical current might be needed to produce what some of us refer to as "Flash Hydrogen" from H2O.
During the time that our acting engineer had been running tests on the HOPE unit that I had sent him, he reported to me that at certain frequencies many of the metal objects nearby would either be instantly transformed into fine powder or would fracture into millions of tiny pieces. I have had my own experiences while researching the HOPE discovery and hope to be able to explore this further once I am able to overcome some problems that I've been having with building several newer HOPE models.

What we are talking about here is related closely to "Sonofusion" and also the "Hutchison Effect". I just want you guys to know that I very much appreciate your help and input. Few people seem to understand the basic principals behind this area of physics and so it is always uplifting to me to hear from others who do. I only wish that there were more people who could see the logic to this approach so that we could move forward a whole lot faster.


Best Regards,

Jim

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2006, 01:53:39 AM »
Dear Jim,
I think theretime your best helper,HOPE related,is
the OU-member "adremko"("E faz-se Luz"-Trindade-orientated ?) !
Sonofusion:
What you want to get as help is a "light"-level,
with workerqualifications  like Einstein,Bose,Casimir,Sparnaay,Christofilos
Los Alamos NL is also searching for such an device !

I think that for this process we will need a double-conversion system,
it has to be a three-step-process !
I will be glad when I will reach the first,stable cyclotronic state,level !

Sincerely
            de Lanca






 


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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2006, 01:53:39 AM »
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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2006, 06:04:55 AM »
This guy Stiffler is on to something.  I can produce visibly similar ammounts of gas using 12 volts across stainless steel plates in distilled water and an electrolyte.  The difference is that I need much more plate surface area and a current flow between 10 and 20 amps.  BIG difference.

If Stiffler can do that kind of production with mA and what seems to be a single wire submersed, what kind of circuit is he driving this with?  Is this like an antenna? Transmitting RF into the water?

Obviously, using this technology for an engine would simply require adding more cells for higher volume gas output.  Total system rerquirements would still be low with many cells. 

FYI.....Stiffler's controll circuit may be frequency related (tuned to atomicly resonate water) but it won't match Stanley Meyers frequency.  Meyers was resonating his electrolosyser plates, which were plates of a water capicitor, to the resonant frequency of an electrical  tank circuit, utilizing a high voltage inductive kick from a transformer.  The water was the dielectric of the capicitor.  Simply put, banging the water with electrical spikes created by resonating a inductor and capasitor together. 

The inductor/capicitor circuit has a big bang to it.  Just ask Tesla.

Interesting thought on Meyer, he went on further with patent advancements to include laser light to increase gas production.  Someone mention microwaves?

If your looking for the magical frequency for splitting water with complicated electrical vibrations for your HOPE machine, check out this:

http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm#4394230

This guy was the master.  Split distilled water. Atomic Resonance.  Very complicated electronics, variable and changing modulated waveforms and specific designed resonating splitting chambers.  Nothing cheesey here.

But only Nasa could build this.


However......
I want to know more about Stiffler.  Does anyone have any information about this latest update of his, with this high gas low current trick?  Any information on the circuitry?  Any information on electrical waveforms?

I dug through the limited Stiffler Scientific website but couldn't find much. He's only selling the information to colleges for seminar purposes.  Good for him.  Good for Science advancement!  Good for Mankind!  But I don't attend these places.  Bad for me!

Thanks;
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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 08:50:38 AM »
Thank you sNick. You just gave me all the information that I've been looking for for a long time. So, it appears that this is possible afterall eh? With all the doubts about which alleged technologies are real and which ones are scams/frauds it is my opinion that more of us should return to what we know to be certain. Splitting H2O is one of those sure things, and if we can find a highly efficient way to do that we are well on our way to solving our immediate problems anyway. The chances of me being able to find a better way than this guy are pretty slim with what I have to work with but, perhaps if enough of us focus our attention on what we know to be proven science we could greatly improve the chances. Thanks again for that info sNick. Now I know which direction to go from here. If I find anything worth-while sharing I will definately let everyone here know.

Cheers,

Jim

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2006, 04:46:51 AM »
This is the way. There probably won't be a better way at all, ever.  After all, what is water? A soup of atoms.  The atomic resonance method via complicated changing modulated electrical waveforms is probably the most efficient dis-association of chemical bonds possible.  Any other method should be less efficient, say mechanical/sonic disassociation of chemicals or maybe heat exchange disassociation; less efficient because chemicals are held together by electrical bonds and injecting perfectly tuned electricity instead of some other means is a direct attack on those bonds. Just when the Doctor ordered.

Now if anything, try to adopt this guy Puharich's technology to be simpler to construct.  Maybe build the thing first piece by piece, then modify components, say the chamber, to be made from easily accessible parts for easy construction and massproduction.  Maybe find a way to simplify the electronics, which he shows in great detail if you look up one of the patent numbers listed in the text on that link I sent.

http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm#4394230

Maybe this guy Puharich already simplified design plans to include store bought parts.  Maybe someone on this board will look at the diagrams on this link and recognise some of the parts.  I for one can not.

I'd like to see a colaborated effort to replicate this technology.



Interesting thing.... This guy in his system changes the wave shape and frequency as the water starts to disassociate, to further push it into a higher volume per moment disassociation.   There was another link on this site I saw the other day where someone was saying something similar.

http://www.ecosustainablevillage.com/us_patents.htm

I tried something similar to this; a function generator hooked up to an amplifier, again stainless steele plates in distilled water, with a different electrolyte, swept through a wide range of frequency's slowly and found no magical frequency.  But this guy, like Puharich, is changing the frequency as the process occurs, starting small but building increased action.

Similar thoughts (was this Teslas?) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,485.0.html




Still looking for information on Stiffler... Anyone?

-sNick

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2006, 12:59:36 AM »
After 33+ years of intensive investigation and research into alternative energy technologies I have come to believe the same as you sNick. I do definately believe that this is indeed the best/most likely route to take in our search for alternative energy. The information that you have supplied in your recent posts to this subject have been of great interest to me. Especially the link you gave to the gentleman who used less than 5v/300mA to split approx., .5 litre of water. If this information is honest and accurate it essentially provides irrefutable evidence that this approach can produce potentially more hydrogen per energy quantum than any other method that I have been able to find. If this information is in fact true then it is the frequency of the applied signal/current that we need to focus on and not necessarily the amount of energy we need to crack H2O. I want you to know that you have encouraged such curiosity in me that I have decided to change the immediate direction of my R&D to investigate the claims that these fellow researchers are making. I have made enough progress in the development of HOPE technologies at this point that if these claims are in fact true, I believe we should be able to crack at least the equivilant volume of H20 with nothing more than the amount of power recieved by a crystal radio for example. I plan to post an update on my HOPE R&D in the appropriate subject area very soon for those who may be interested. At this time however, I just want to thank you sNick, and also John, for the very encouraging and exciting information that you guys have been so kind as to share with this group. No doubt that, if we are to see anything other than fossil fuels and the various other polluting energy technologies being widely used anytime soon we are the ones who will have to make it happen. I will be re-directing my efforts towards this area of research and will keep you all posted on anything of importance that I find.


Best Regards All,

Jim

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2006, 06:00:55 AM »
So I dug a little further on Stiffler's site.

http://www.stifflerscientific.org/cre.html

So according to this, Stiffler himsels says his process is Not cost efficient.  Appearantly, he is only gaining a max uf twice the normal output by recapturing the spent energy in a capasitor and discharging that same energy through the electrolosys cell during a 50% duty cycly "off" time of the power supply. Basically utilizing half the power at input by switching off 50% of the time, and in that time, re-dumping captured and normally wasted energy.  Stiffler himself says this circuit cannever be more than 100 the conventional output.

It is however an advance.

Something to note, Stiffler is talking about the Redux reaction actually being ionic in his case.  This is NOT ordinary electrolosys.

He also mentions Stanley Meyers, but that his own work was NOT that of Stanley myers, but that Myers only inspired him in this direction.


I guess it's back to the drawing board to find that elusive process.   I believe Myers or  Puharich is the way to go.

 

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Re: High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2006, 05:48:50 AM »
i also like the myers approch.have an extra car that im going to try it on.sellling my second house for funds to persue this and the gray circut.i feel thease are the best bets.in about 20 days is the closeing,so when i start i will post my results and pics every week for others to try and confirm my findings if any.im a millwright by trade and have four years in electronics training.the diagrams i have seem simple enough also any help will be greatly appreciated.free power for all is my goal.lets break the oil companies back.

 

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