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Author Topic: magnetic propulsion, is simple.  (Read 8042 times)

nitinnun

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• Posts: 713
magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« on: May 01, 2009, 01:03:39 AM »

in magnetism,
repel is stronger than attract.

so if the positive and negative poles of a rotor magnet,
are both pressed against the positive pole of stator magnet,
than the rotor magnet will move !

move in only one direction.
in whatever direction the rotors positive pole,
is facing.

because the rotors positive,
is repelling harder against the stators positive,
than the rotors negative,
is attracting towards the stators positive.

the stronger the magnetic field/s,
the harder/faster the rotor spins.

because if you have 20 pounds of force moving to the right,
and 10 pounds of force moving to the left,
you have a net movement of 10 pounds of force to the right.

the 10 pounds of force to the right,
wins the tug of war.

and the 10 pounds of force to the left,
can just shut up and take it.

you do not need to have mono-pole magnets,
when one half of the magnet/capacitor,
is stronger than the other half of the magnet/capacitor.

once you have imagined it, it is very simple.
it is "why didn't i think of that!" simple.

but first, you must have imagination, to conceive of it.

which is why not everyone is convinced,
without first seeing a physical demonstration, in person.

lizards have little imagination.

lizards insist on having chunks of meat, hand fed too them.
as if the owner is their servant, and the lizard is royalty.

i think of people with little imagination,
who demand that inventions be physically shown to them,
before they will even consider the invention intellectually,
to be lizards.

royal lizards......

FreeEnergy

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• Posts: 1998
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 12:04:35 PM »

gravityblock

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• Posts: 3286
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 06:49:53 AM »
I drew a quick illustration to make sure we're on the same page.

Imagine the stator repels the rotor magnet and the rotor moves clockwise.  Now, when the rotor magnet goes around and nears the stator magnet again, the force that previously repelled it clockwise, will now repel it with the same amount of force counter-clockwise, assuming it is even able to break free from the attraction before and after this counter force.

Let me know if my drawing is correct or not.

Thanks,

GB
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 10:39:04 AM by gravityblock »

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• Posts: 442
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 09:06:18 AM »
first, you claim the repel is stronger than attaction, Sorry but I refute that claim, and every magnet I have seen refutes your claim.

If a magnet will exert 10lbs pull on iron then 10 + 10 (pull plus pull) =20lbs, and if you put 20lbs of force pushing to like poles together they will touch.

Secondly, your claim that people who require an invention before they consider it an invention to be lizards, well thoughs are fun, but it doesn't power a damned thing. So build it if its so easy otherwise it doesn't exist except in your imagination, which is of very little use to the world.

Just build it.

Ergo

• Sr. Member
• Posts: 280
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 10:13:51 AM »
in magnetism,
repel is stronger than attract.

Your'e so fuc----ing wrong about magnetism.
You can't just imagine the real world to behave as you wish for in your mind.

The real world fact (isolated from your mind).
Repulsion is always weaker than attraction. This is pure facts.
Have a close look at the attached calculation picture on a couple
of N48 magnets at size 4x2x1" placed 0.25" away from each other.
http://www.magnetsales.com/Design/Calc_filles/PullAndPushBetween2RectMagnets.asp

As clearly seen the attraction force is 352.3 lb but repulsion is only 210.3 lb.
So this idea of yours that repulsion is stronger than attraction is completely BS.

gravityblock

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Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 10:19:51 AM »
first, you claim the repel is stronger than attaction, Sorry but I refute that claim, and every magnet I have seen refutes your claim.

I've always been under the impression that attraction was stronger than repulsion also.

Now Nitinnun, that doesn't mean it would spin in the opposite direction since attraction is stronger, because this simply will not work.

Nitinnun, take a few magnets and see for yourself why it won't work.  Hold one magnet in one hand, and another magnet in another hand.  Your left hand will be the stator and your right hand will be the rotor.  Now move your right hand in the same way a rotor will, and take notice of the forces involved.

Take care,

GB

Edit:  @Ergo, thanks for the link to the magnet calculator.

nitinnun

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• Posts: 713
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 10:36:21 AM »

whichever is the stronger, is irrelevant.
because my plan works anyway.

one is stronger than the other.
so there is more force one way, than the other way.

for whatever reason, i remembered it as being "repel",
which was the stronger.

if the opposite is true, than that is a very easy mistake to make.
and there is no reason for anyone to be an a**hole over it.

if you disagree with someone, you are supposed to consider their side of the story.
not viciously attack them, without investigation.

if the inhabitants in this forum are going to violently explode over trivialities, than i am discouraged from sharing my efforts here.

Ergo

• Sr. Member
• Posts: 280
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 03:59:09 PM »
Please share your effort but don't think we will swallow just any contrapment
without questioning or making our own judgements.

When you say it doesn't matter which force is the strongest then
you have absolutely no idea how magnetism really works.

Yes, repulsion is (feeling) weaker but this is just how you experience it due to
all the magnetic field lines getting spread out away from each other in repel.
But all the field lines are always present no matter how you arange the magnets.
In attraction mode all the field lines are gathered together in parallel path.
This is making the magnets "being stronger" in attraction vs repulsion.
But that's just a smokescreen hiding you from seeing the big picture.

And finally, due to all the field lines always finding their way back, no matter
what shield or arangement is being used, explains why self running magnetic
motors can't ever work. The forces simply even out in a closed loop system.

You seem to have been around at OU forum for a while due to your 500+ posts.
At this point you should know how things work out here. You can't just jump into
a category shouting you know how to build an "Overunity Device" and then getting
mad because we question your idea or correct you in some matter.
Just share, and you will get our verdict. Either we are harsh or not.

« Last Edit: May 03, 2009, 12:48:25 AM by Ergo »

tournamentdan

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• Posts: 67
Re: magnetic propulsion, is simple.
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 01:07:01 AM »
OK, so we all agree that the pull is stronger than the push but this is what you are missing. The pull of a magnet is not twice as strong as the push as you stated with the 20 and 10 theory. If I were to guess let's say that the pull had 13 pounds of attraction then the push would have about 10 pounds of repell. Yes one is greater than the other but you have to remember there are other things to over come like gravity and friction which will make your 13 pounds of pull a lot less.           P.S. there is no lack of imagination on this site!!!