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Offline Yortuk Festrunk

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New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« on: May 01, 2009, 11:56:33 PM »
This new design uses PULLEYS to increase the lifting power of the counterweights AND it simplifies the entire system by requiring NO COMPLICATED LOCKING/UNLOCKING MECHANISMS!





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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 03:59:06 AM »
Is there a stop for the center weight that keeps it from going all the way through? Or are you relying on the friction of the smaller rollers?

If you had the center weight on a bearing track it would seem that you wouldn't need all of the smaller rollers at all. The larger rollers could be moved in and accomplish the same thing.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 04:45:20 AM »
Weights on red pullys at basically zero degrees providing next to no lift to center weight ....even when they start to get to a useful angle to provide some lift, it will only be for 90 degrees( 45-135 degrees) and the 90 degree mark being max

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 05:20:58 AM »
assuming the orientation of the center weight is verticle, and masses are proportionate to size, the center weight would overpower the torque-action of the 2 weighted (red) pulleys, and simply stay at the bottom.    if the weight on the pulleys were increased, the center weight would simply stay at the top.
what is the intended 'function' of such a device?

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 05:35:39 AM »
assuming the orientation of the center weight is verticle, and masses are proportionate to size, the center weight would overpower the torque-action of the 2 weighted (red) pulleys, and simply stay at the bottom.    if the weight on the pulleys were increased, the center weight would simply stay at the top.
what is the intended 'function' of such a device?


Function? wtf, this is the gravity powered devices forum.

Once the weight gets to the top, the whole wheel turns 180° and then repeats the process.

read this thread to get up to speed on this: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7370.0

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Offline Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 05:40:53 AM »
Weights on red pullys at basically zero degrees providing next to no lift to center weight ....even when they start to get to a useful angle to provide some lift, it will only be for 90 degrees( 45-135 degrees) and the 90 degree mark being max

The drawing is only for general illustration purposes to show the basic principle of the device.

Sizes and distances don't necessarily mean to show any definite scale or proportion.

The counterweights are very heavy, heavy enough to turn almost a full 180°.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 05:42:53 AM »
the center will never get to the top.... by the time you increase the weight on the red pullys and so it can pull the center weight to the top, it will be too heavy on the bottom because the two red weight will weigh more than the center weight at the top

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Offline Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 05:44:48 AM »
Is there a stop for the center weight that keeps it from going all the way through? Or are you relying on the friction of the smaller rollers?

If you had the center weight on a bearing track it would seem that you wouldn't need all of the smaller rollers at all. The larger rollers could be moved in and accomplish the same thing.

Charlie

Of course there must be a stop or the weight would fall out.

The weight must "float" on the rollers. I'm not sure that if it were on a track, that it would work.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 05:50:41 AM »
the center will never get to the top.... by the time you increase the weight on the red pullys and so it can pull the center weight to the top, it will be too heavy on the bottom because the two red weight will weigh more than the center weight at the top

The red weights can't be "too heavy" because they are only attached by center axles to the main wheel and they are balanced with each other on opposite sides of the wheel.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 07:21:24 AM »
Here is a variation with a series of counterweight wheels and showing the proper angle of the entire system. Again, THIS IS NOT TO ANY SPECIFIC SCALE.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 11:56:36 AM »
Is there a WM2D model available?

It looks like the pictures where created in wm2d...

Very original thinking b.t.w.

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 03:45:27 PM »
Hi Yortuk Festrunk,
I think there is a guy here
http://www.energeticforum.com/53455-post495.html
who is trying something similar.
But instead of your pulley relay system he is using a weired leverage system.
Thought this may be interesting for you.

Offline noonespecial

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 04:08:10 PM »
Out of curiosity I threw together a quck Phun simulation and from what I saw, this does seem to have merit. Unfortunately, it quickly got out of alignment because I couldn't get a good 'grip' between the rollers and the weight.

If I can figure out a good way to overcome this shortcoming of Phun, I'll post it here.

Charlie

Offline Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 06:37:33 PM »
Is there a WM2D model available?

It looks like the pictures where created in wm2d...

Very original thinking b.t.w.

Thanks

I only used WM to draw the picture. It is not an actual sim. I screen captured it then drew the belts and colored it in using Paint.

Offline Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: New Gravity Wheel Design BREAKTHROUGH MODIFICATION!
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 06:52:50 PM »
Hi Yortuk Festrunk,
I think there is a guy here
http://www.energeticforum.com/53455-post495.html
who is trying something similar.
But instead of your pulley relay system he is using a weired leverage system.
Thought this may be interesting for you.

As I told AB Hammer in my other thread, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7370.0 there are two problems in that setup that I have addressed in my design:

1. It will be extremely difficult to make a wheel work that rotates non-stop because centrifugal force will interfere with any part of the system where weights shift position. I think it will be much easier to construct a system that can shift weights up while at a dead stop, then rotate 180°, stop again and repeat the process. This is what this design is intended to do. It completely eliminates centrifugal force from the equation.

2. Any weight in the system cannot be directly connected to the rest of the system. It must be "separate", or "float" as I like to say. The weight on my design floats from one end of the set of rollers to the other. This way, the weight is only being "held" on one side of the wheel to create an out of balance condition.

 

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