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Title: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:11:26 AM
Cold Electricity, Radiant Energy or Negative Energy.  I think they are all pretty much the same.

Thanks,

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on April 30, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Cold electricity is TRUE electricity.
It is the real power without electron flow.
This type of electricity was shown to us by Mr.Tesla over 100 years ago.

The electrons are simply "dragged" by this Cold electricity flow and this creates what we see as resistance.
And this is also the reason why conventional electricity shows up on our meters.
We can measure resistance, but True Cold electricity does not show up on our meters, because there is no electron flow, yet it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.

In conventional electricity, the dragging electrons , create the magnetic field and, these two go hand in hand.
This is the reason why we won't find any OU in magnetics.
The magnetic fields are caused by the dragging electrons, which in turn are a secondary effect of this primary True Cold Electricity flow.
You can't tap something secondary without the primary part that caused it...

For some people, all this is well understood, but for the most part, people are still thinking electricity is electron flow and even our teachers tell us it is.

Marco


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on April 30, 2009, 02:28:32 PM

-[marco]-

Any way you can help us to understand what cold electricity is, and how to find/use it
would be greatly appreciated

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on April 30, 2009, 03:12:53 PM
Read Tesla, Eric P. Dollard, Charles Proteus Steinmetz and do some of them test's.
That's how i came to understand. :)

Marco.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: wings on April 30, 2009, 05:02:58 PM
THE FALLACY OF CONDUCTORS

http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/fallacy.htm

 ;D
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on April 30, 2009, 07:04:23 PM
Marco
thankyou

Wings 

WOOOOOOW!!!

Thanks

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
Cold electricity is TRUE electricity.
It is the real power without electron flow.
This type of electricity was shown to us by Mr.Tesla over 100 years ago.

The electrons are simply "dragged" by this Cold electricity flow and this creates what we see as resistance.
And this is also the reason why conventional electricity shows up on our meters.
We can measure resistance, but True Cold electricity does not show up on our meters, because there is no electron flow, yet it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.

In conventional electricity, the dragging electrons , create the magnetic field and, these two go hand in hand.
This is the reason why we won't find any OU in magnetics.
The magnetic fields are caused by the dragging electrons, which in turn are a secondary effect of this primary True Cold Electricity flow.
You can't tap something secondary without the primary part that caused it...

For some people, all this is well understood, but for the most part, people are still thinking electricity is electron flow and even our teachers tell us it is.

Marco

You first say that cold electricity drags the electrons, then you say at the end, electricity is not electron flow.  You also said true cold electricity is without electron flow and it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.  Doesn't the wire that is being burned from the cold electricity have free electrons in it, that would be dragged by this cold electricity in order to cause the bulb to light?    Replace those filament wires with a wire that doesn't have free electrons and see if the bulb lights with either cold electricity or "true cold electricity", since according to you, electricity isn't electron flow.

Cold electricity is a negative time flow of electrons while hot electricity is a forward time flow of electrons.  Until people recognize time as being a factor and stop considering it as a measurement only, this will never be understood.

Without time, energy can not be released or converted from one form to another.  An aether unit is composed of forward and negative time.  This is where the electrons gets it's energy in order to maintain it's own magnetic field.

Cold electricity does register on our instruments as BEMF since it is flowing in negative time or flowing backwards.  There is a difference between BEMF and cold electricity, but we will see cold electricity on our instruments as BEMF.


"Stolen waters are sweet and bread eaten in secret is pleasant"
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on April 30, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
So it seems Cold Electricity has more meanings to diffrent people.
Same thing happens with Bemf or Back Emf.
Some people say the Bemf is simply the spike which is seen comming from a coil when power is switched off, and others believe Bemf happens whenever the field strength increases or decreases...

It has been shown to us by Mr.Tesla that his form of Cold Electricity is what is called a massless current.
This means without electron movement since electrons seem to have mass.
Because or this it can go faster, much faster, far beyond lightspeed.
However ,backwards is a diffrent thing.

There are several people who have replicated some of Tesla's work and they all agree the electrons get "choked" inside the coils along the way ,and thus only real massless current can pass.
This behaves diffrent then conventional electricity because it will seek it's way along dielectric paths ignoring short circuits.

There are several setups which show these behaviours.
For example if you read Mr. Eric P. Dollard's book "Condensed intro into Tesla Transformers, you will find setups that produce this form of electricity.
Take a close look at figure 4 which is the balanced coil system.
It encounters segments of coils which have a direct relationship to the total wavelength of all coils toghether.

I won't go into detail, just read the literature and do the tests if you want to find out the real nature of the beast.

Marco.
 


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Grumpy on April 30, 2009, 09:36:40 PM
You first say that cold electricity drags the electrons, then you say at the end, electricity is not electron flow.  You also said true cold electricity is without electron flow and it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.  Doesn't the wire that is being burned from the cold electricity have free electrons in it, that would be dragged by this cold electricity in order to cause the bulb to light?    Replace those filament wires with a wire that doesn't have free electrons and see if the bulb lights with either cold electricity or "true cold electricity", since according to you, electricity isn't electron flow.

When a bulb is lit with cold electricity, is it lit because of the wire or the parameters of the space around the wire?  If just a wire then a filament should glow outside of the bulb.

If reverse time has anything to do with it, then how can we experience it in forward time?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 09:45:49 PM
When a bulb is lit with cold electricity, is it lit because of the wire or the parameters of the space around the wire?  If just a wire then a filament should glow outside of the bulb.

If reverse time has anything to do with it, then how can we experience it in forward time?

We experience it in forward time as BEMF that runs cool and not hot.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on April 30, 2009, 10:00:51 PM

You first say that cold electricity drags the electrons,


It starts as massless cold electricity, then drags the electrons and becomes conventional electricity.


then you say at the end, electricity is not electron flow.


That is correct, the electron flow is a secondary effect.


 You also said true cold electricity is without electron flow and it can burn a filament bulb on one wire. 


That is correct also, and you can even try this yourself.


Doesn't the wire that is being burned from the cold electricity have free electrons in it, that would be dragged by this cold electricity in order to cause the bulb to light?   


In the first place, if the bulb is burning on one wire, we have a setup that behaves like a open loop, this means close to infinite resistance, and according to the classical viewpoint electrons also do not flow in open loop.

Second ,In fact, there is no part in our classical books that explains why the bulb lites up, yet it does.


Replace those filament wires with a wire that doesn't have free electrons and see if the bulb lights with either cold electricity or "true cold electricity", since according to you, electricity isn't electron flow.


This type of electricity moves over wires, not through wires, it flows over the (dielectric) surface and has got nothing to do with electrons.

Marco. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 11:44:52 PM

This type of electricity moves over wires, not through wires, it flows over the (dielectric) surface and has got nothing to do with electrons.

Marco.

The bulb should light with your theory of "true cold electricity", if the filament wires don't have free electrons, since this type of electricity doesn't have anything to do with electrons, but it doesn't.....so your theory that electricity isn't electron flow can not be correct.

You're right, it has nothing to do with electrons, but has everything to do with photons in regards to what your referring to.  Now, tell me that the photons aren't responsible for the photovoltaic effect in a solar panel that causes electrons to move to provide an electrical current.  Will the photons that hit a photovoltaic cell provide an electrical current if no electrons move?  Of course not.

In physics, virtual photons are said to be the magnetic field of flux in a magnet, which causes electrons to flow and provide electricity.  These photons can only do work by moving electrons.  No electrons to move, then no work can be done by these photons.

Cold electricity uses the negative time flow of the magnetic field which converts the virtual photons into electrons and is replenished by the aether.  Hot electricity uses forward time flow of the magnetic field, which scatters the electrons into virtual photons (heat) which replenishes the aether.  As you can see, the cold electricity I am referring to is the reverse process of hot electricity.
 
Also, the electrons don't move through the wire either.....they move on the surface of the wires.

In the first place, if the bulb is burning on one wire, we have a setup that behaves like a open loop, this means close to infinite resistance, and according to the classical viewpoint electrons also do not flow in open loop.

It only looks like an open loop. The loop is closed due to space/time being short circuited.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Grumpy on April 30, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
We experience it in forward time as BEMF that runs cool and not hot.

BEMF is the emf generated in a wire next to a wire with current flowing through it, which is in opposition to the first current.

It is not magnetic field collapse or backward time.

If cold electricity involves a movement of electrons or is BEMF - why is there no magnetic field associated with it?

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Grumpy on April 30, 2009, 11:52:44 PM
Then the bulb should light with "true cold electricity" if the filament wires don't have free electrons, but it doesn't.....so your theory that electricity isn't electron flow can not be correct.
 
Also, the electrons don't move through the wire either.....they move on the surface of the wires.

Foursescent bulbs do not have a filament.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 12:04:22 AM
Foursescent bulbs do not have a filament.

Then replace the circuitry with wires that don't have free electrons, and the bulb will not light.  The florescent bulbs you are referring to works on the principals of an electrical current exciting the gas to give off ultraviolet photons which hits the electrons in the phosphor that causes the bulb to give off visible light. Remove the free electrons in the phosphor coating and the bulb will not light.  Same thing with a solar panel, photons hit a certain material, which causes electrons to move that gives rise to an electrical current.  No movement of electrons, then no electricity.

Why you quoting from me, Marco is the one who first mentioned the filaments in the bulb, not me.  Besides, who mentioned anything about fluorescent bulbs to begin with?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 12:35:47 AM
BEMF is the emf generated in a wire next to a wire with current flowing through it, which is in opposition to the first current.

It is not magnetic field collapse or backward time.

If cold electricity involves a movement of electrons or is BEMF - why is there no magnetic field associated with it?

I never said it was BEMF.  I said it appears as BEMF on our instruments.  I also never said BEMF was backwards time.

BEMF and EMF is the same thing.  EMF comes from the source or a battery and BEMF comes from the load or motor.

Cold electricity is EMF from the reference frame of the aether and is BEMF with a negative time flow from our frame of reference in regards to a motor or a load.  It would look like EMF with a negative time flow if a generator was pulling it from the aether.  The bottom line is cold electricity registers on our instruments. 

Hot electricity is generated from forward time in the visible world and runs hot.  Cold electricity is generated from negative time in the aether and runs cold.  The aether can provide cold or hot electricity depending on how it's tapped.   

Stop trying to twist my words and taking what I said out of context, Grumpy.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 03:11:14 AM
You guys are confusing photons with electrons.  Photons with enough energy can cause electrons to move along a conductor.  Tesla's wireless transmission of electricity is transmitting photons and not electrons. 

In order for this wireless transmission to do anything within a circuit, those photons must move the free electrons along a conductor.  The florescent bulb uses a phosphor coating that absorbs these photons from the wireless transmission to give off visible light.

The cold electricity I am referring to is electricity or the movement of negative time flow of electrons along a conductor, and not photons propagating through space.

Since I can't convince anyone that electricity is electron flow, then I sure can't convince anyone that cold electricity is the negative time flow of electrons. Just add this to the rest of my time that has already been wasted.

The Adams motor supposedly uses negative or cold electricity.  Here's more info for those who may be interested in this concept, http://members.fortunecity.com/freeenergy2000/adamsmotor.htm (http://members.fortunecity.com/freeenergy2000/adamsmotor.htm)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
Some of my previous posts are hard to follow.  I will try to clarify my theory on this topic. It is a theory and not fact.

1)  Photons with enough energy can cause electrons to be ejected or to move.  Examples of this would be the photovaliac solar cell and the Tesla coil lighting a fluorescent bulb due to the photons interacting with the phosphor coating.  Photons are also responsible for the electromagnetic waves.  Photons exist in forward time.

2)  Virtual photons in physics are responsible for the magnetic field of flux in the magnets.  The reason why they are virtual is because they have never been detected or isolated.  The reason for their non-detection is because they are moving faster than the speed of light which are equipment is not capable of detecting.

3)  The magnetic field of flux in a magnet has two different components to it.  One component is the forward time flow of virtual photons and the other component is the negative time flow of virtual photons.  The forward time flow of virtual photons converts electrons into photons as it is scattered through the load and this is detected as heat. 

The Second component is the negative time flow of the magnetic field that converts the virtual photons into electrons with negative time flow and is detected as cold electricity.  Heat will not be detected since the negative time flow of electrons will convert to virtual photons as it is scattered through the load.

This is inline with current physics.  Energy can't be created nor destroyed.  Since energy can't be created, then it must come from the present and past to allow for a future in the physical world.  Since energy can't be destroyed, then it must come from the past into the present to allow for a no beginning of the physical world.

Since the magnetic field of flux can get out of a black hole, this suggests that those virtual particles can travel faster than the speed of light, which allows them to come from our past (there present) into our present (their future or next now) and this is how the universes have come into existence.

Give all glory to our Creator.
 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 08:33:36 AM

The cold electricity I am referring to is electricity or the movement of negative time flow of electrons along a conductor, and not photons propagating through space.


Okay,
The cold electricity I am referring to does not involve electrons.


Since I can't convince anyone that electricity is electron flow, then I sure can't convince anyone that cold electricity is the negative time flow of electrons. Just add this to the rest of my time that has already been wasted.


Well you open'd up this topic about things being the same while you did not define these things in the first place.
I have already noticed there are alot of people who think diffrent things when they read the same words.

This means the same thing has diffrent meanings to diffrent people so, how on earth can you say they are the same thing without defining those things in the first place?

I cannot be convinced by words.
I can only be convinced by what i see in my experiments, but then again, what is real?
How would you define real?
If you are talking about what you can feel, what you can see, smell, and taste, it seems that real is simply electric impulses interpeted by the brain......

Maybe you can, like i did, point out to some repeatable experiment, which shows diffrent behaviour then the well known but wrongly understood conventional stuff, and so we can see for ourselfs what your cold electricity looks like???

Marco.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 08:52:30 AM
Okay,
The cold electricity I am referring to does not involve electrons.

Well you open'd up this topic about things being the same while you did not define these things in the first place.
I have already noticed there are alot of people who think diffrent things when they read the same words.

This means the same thing has diffrent meanings to diffrent people so, how on earth can you say they are the same thing without defining those things in the first place?

I cannot be convinced by words.
I can only be convinced by what i see in my experiments, but then again, what is real?
How would you define real?
If you are talking about what you can feel, what you can see, smell, and taste, it seems that real is simply electric impulses interpeted by the brain......

Maybe you can, like i did, point out to some repeatable experiment, which shows diffrent behaviour then the well known but wrongly understood conventional stuff, and so we can see for ourselfs what your cold electricity looks like???

Marco.

You are absolutely correct.  I didn't define what I was talking about correctly.  I am not a good communicator.  The previous post I made tried to define what I was referring to as cold electricity.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 09:51:09 AM
Your above post sounds a little bit like Tom Bearden to me.


Tesla's wireless transmission of electricity is transmitting photons and not electrons. 


Can you please explain how you came to this conclusion?

Marco.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: hansvonlieven on May 01, 2009, 10:04:23 AM
Can someone tell me how many kinds of photons there are.

We know of the visible kind and then we know of some of the invisible ones like ultra-violet and infra-red.

How many others are there?  ??? ??? ???

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 11:05:00 AM
Can someone tell me how many kinds of photons there are.

We know of the visible kind and then we know of some of the invisible ones like ultra-violet and infra-red.

How many others are there?  ??? ??? ???

Hans von Lieven

Only one kind of photon.  The photon makes up the entire electromagnetic spectrum from radio waves to gamma rays.  Photons are delivered in packets or quanta.  Higher frequency photons can be delivered faster than lower frequency photons.  The higher frequency photons travel the same distance as lower frequency photons in a given amount of time, but they travel more space in the same amount of given time.  This is due to their wavelength.

Try to visualize a photon propagating through space in a corkscrew motion.  The shorter wavelengths will have a tighter corkscrew motion and is making more turns per revolutions than the longer wavelength photons, thus traveling the same distance but traveling more space in a given amount of time than a longer wavelength photon.

A photon that propagates through space in a straight line instead of a corkscrew motion would have a near zero wavelength and could be delivered in a continuous stream instead of packets, thus traveling faster than the speed of light.  In my opinion, this is the virtual photons and virtual particles that physics theorize about.

Try to think of a led light blinking.  The slower it blinks, the longer the wavelength is. This would represent a photon with a longer wavelength.  The faster it blinks, the shorter the wavelength is.  If the light is continuously on with no blinking, then it would have a zero to near zero wavelength and this would represent the virtual photon that physics theorize for the magnetic field of flux.

This is the reason why the magnetic field of flux is not changing in a magnet (the virtual photons are being delivered in a continuous stream and cutting the flow of electrons), thus we have to move the magnet or conductor in order to cause electrons to flow along a conductor.

If the virtual photons were delivered in packets in the magnetic field of flux, then we would have a changing magnetic field of flux and wouldn't need to move the magnet or conductor for electron flow and would have OU very easily.

It appears to me that the entire universe is a sea of these virtual particles, which I say is the aether.

Most of this is currently accepted in physics as being correct, but some of this is my own personal theory.

What do you think about this theory of mine?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 12:31:14 PM
Your above post sounds a little bit like Tom Bearden to me.

Can you please explain how you came to this conclusion?

Marco.

If I tell you how I came to this conclusion, you wouldn't believe me.  Let's just say it is a feeling that I have and not a fact.

The popular Tesla coils that are well known are the direct result of the apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla.

Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirectional impulses. Tesla Transformers are not magneto electric devices, they use radiant shock waves, and produce pure voltage without current.  No current means no electron flow.

The reason for no current, is because the electrons and positrons annihilate each other due to using both the negative and forward time of space, and this would give off huge amounts of high energy photons that would be transmitted through space to a receiver box.  The process that gave off the huge amount of photons is cold electricity or radiant energy, but the current that would flow from the receiver box would be normal electricity.

The cold electricity that I am referring to would only use the negative time flow of virtual photons or space, from the magnetic field of flux to produce a negative time flow of electrons along a conductor, instead of producing forward time flow of photons that would propagate through space as in Tesla's setup.

You will have more questions than I have answers for.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 01:08:58 PM

The popular Tesla coils that are well known are the direct result of the apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla.

Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirectional impulses. Tesla Transformers are not magneto electric devices, they use radiant shock waves, and produce pure voltage without current.  No current means no electron flow.



My question was related to wireless power transfer and photons.
Now you are talking about Tesla coils...Those two are diffrent things.


The reason for no current, is because the electrons and positrons annihilate each other, and this would give off huge amounts of high energy photons that would be transmitted through space to a receiver box.  The process that gave off the huge amount of photons is cold electricity or radiant energy, but the current that would flow from the receiver box would be normal electricity.

You will have more questions than I have answers for.



propagate through space as in Tesla's setup.


Tesla's Wireless system did not transmit anything through space to a receiver box, Tesla used earth as the hot terminal.
The energy was propagated through earth itself.
If you read Eric P. Dollard's book "Theory of wireless power"
He explains very well how Tesla's system operated.
The tower was simply a weight to push against, a "virtual ground" in order for the system to become self referencing.

Marco.







Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 01, 2009, 01:14:56 PM
The popular Tesla coils that are well known are the direct result of the apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla.

Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirectional impulses. Tesla Transformers are not magneto electric devices, they use radiant shock waves, and produce pure voltage without current.  No current means no electron flow.

been reading jerry vasilatos 'secrets of cold war technology' have we?


@marco, i think by 'receiver box' he was referencing tesla's pierce arrow
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 01:16:57 PM

@marco, i think by 'receiver box' he was referencing tesla's pierce arrow


That is still a diffrent story!!
We keep mixing things up here  :-\

M.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
My question was related to wireless power transfer and photons.
Now you are talking about Tesla coils...Those two are diffrent things.

Tesla's Wireless system did not transmit anything through space to a receiver box, Tesla used earth as the hot terminal.
The energy was propagated through earth itself.
If you read Eric P. Dollard's book "Theory of wireless power"
He explains very well how Tesla's system operated.
The tower was simply a weight to push against, a "virtual ground" in order for the system to become self referencing.

Marco.

I am not talking about Tesla coils that was perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge.  I was talking about Tesla's transformers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_electricity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_electricity)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron-positron_annihilation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron-positron_annihilation)

What will travel through the ground?  Photons won't travel very far through the ground.  Electrons wouldn't travel very far through the earth either.  How far would a lightning bolt that is millions of volts travel through the ground?  It wouldn't even make it a 100 feet through the earth and you think Tesla's wireless system could transmit electricity through the ground that could travel around the globe.  Then this electricity that is transmitted through the ground magically comes to the surface and goes to a circuit.  The earth can not be both a "hot terminal" for this electricity and a ground terminal for normal electricity without changing the properties of the earth. That is not common sense.  The wireless system transmitted through space and not the earth.  Does anyone have a mind of their own?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 02:10:18 PM

you think Tesla's wireless system could transmit electricity through the ground that could travel around the globe.


I do, and trust me, it did...


 Then this energy that is transmitted through the ground magically comes to the surface and goes to a circuit.


Exactly.


 The wireless system transmitted through space and not the earth. 


Did not.

Marco.

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 02:18:35 PM
LMFAO

We agree on almost everything except how and where it traveled.  I'm not changing my opinion, but I will respect yours.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 02:22:10 PM
Maybe it's time for you to do some real Tesla research.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Maybe it's time for you to do some real Tesla research.

Oh, and where has that gotten you and the others who believe as you do?  Absolutely nowhere.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2009, 02:30:52 PM
Oh, and where has that gotten you and the others who believe as you do?  Absolutely nowhere.

That is not true.
It brings understanding.
Maybe it is best to end this discussion.

Marco.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 02:41:03 PM
That is not true.
It brings understanding.
Maybe it is best to end this discussion.

Marco.

Knowledge is understanding what is true and what is not true.

Yes, let's end this discussion.  I have no hard feelings towards you on my side. 

It would be a boring world if everyone agreed on everything.

Peace,

GB

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: allcanadian on May 01, 2009, 03:08:44 PM
@Gravityblock
-----"Knowledge is understanding what is true and what is not true"

I would state this in a different manner, I know many people who can retain a great deal of information and we consider them very knowledgable, that is having knowledge of many things. However, possessing a great deal of knowledge does not imply in any way that they truely understand the knowledge they have retained because knowledge is information which can be true or false depending on perspective. Understanding is knowing the difference between what is real and what is not and usually involves the practical application or proving of knowledge. In any case, I have found "knowledge" and "understanding" to be two very different things, as one person said "you cannot build what you do not understand", this is a truth I believe everyone can agree on.
Regards
AC
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Grumpy on May 01, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Only one kind of photon.  The photon makes up the entire electromagnetic spectrum from radio waves to gamma rays.  Photons are delivered in packets or quanta.  Higher frequency photons can be delivered faster than lower frequency photons.  The higher frequency photons travel the same distance as lower frequency photons in a given amount of time, but they travel more space in the same amount of given time.  This is due to their wavelength.

Try to visualize a photon propagating through space in a corkscrew motion.  The shorter wavelengths will have a tighter corkscrew motion and is making more turns per revolutions than the longer wavelength photons, thus traveling the same distance but traveling more space in a given amount of time than a longer wavelength photon.

A photon that propagates through space in a straight line instead of a corkscrew motion would have a near zero wavelength and could be delivered in a continuous stream instead of packets, thus traveling faster than the speed of light.  In my opinion, this is the virtual photons and virtual particles that physics theorize about.

Try to think of a led light blinking.  The slower it blinks, the longer the wavelength is. This would represent a photon with a longer wavelength.  The faster it blinks, the shorter the wavelength is.  If the light is continuously on with no blinking, then it would have a zero to near zero wavelength and this would represent the virtual photon that physics theorize for the magnetic field of flux.

This is the reason why the magnetic field of flux is not changing in a magnet (the virtual photons are being delivered in a continuous stream and cutting the flow of electrons), thus we have to move the magnet or conductor in order to cause electrons to flow along a conductor.

If the virtual photons were delivered in packets in the magnetic field of flux, then we would have a changing magnetic field of flux and wouldn't need to move the magnet or conductor for electron flow and would have OU very easily.

It appears to me that the entire universe is a sea of these virtual particles, which I say is the aether.

Most of this is currently accepted in physics as being correct, but some of this is my own personal theory.

What do you think about this theory of mine?

It is very curious that some of what you write here, I recently sent to others in private messages.

Photons and electrons do not have to travel to produce a current.  Google "polarization current".  Positrons can also cause a current, but everyone forgets about them.

Anyway, GB, I agree that the aether is a sea of what others consider to be virtual photons - or "spin centers" if reading Wilbert Smith's explanation.

Photons are a subject of intense research these days.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 01, 2009, 04:09:54 PM
@Gratityblock
-----"Knowledge is understanding what is true and what is not true"

I would state this in a different manner, I know many people who can retain a great deal of information and we consider them very knowledgable, that is having knowledge of many things. However, possessing a great deal of knowledge does not imply in any way that they truely understand the knowledge they have retained because knowledge is information which can be true or false depending on perspective. Understanding is knowing the difference between what is real and what is not and usually involves the practical application or proving of knowledge. In any case, I have found "knowledge" and "understanding" to be two very different things, as one person said "you cannot build what you do not understand", this is a truth I believe everyone can agree on.
Regards
AC

Not me.  I have built electronic circuits that I did not understand by following instructions from someone who had the knowledge.  I could list many things that I have built without understanding how they fully worked.

Have you ever thought you understood something and then later found out, that your understanding was wrong?  If this was the case, then you didn't have the knowledge of that something while your understanding was wrong.

I'm sure you could find a way to prove the point you're trying to make that would be in contrast with what I have said.  I'm through with this discussion also. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on May 02, 2009, 12:51:46 AM
Deleted.  Sorry
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: IotaYodi on May 02, 2009, 03:59:31 AM
"The popular conception of electro-magnetic energy transmission as it exists today is; energy is transmitted through the interior of the conductor material, that is, electricity flows through wires like water flows through pipes. This transmission is said to involve the flow of charged sub-atomic particles called electrons."

Not by what Ive seen Electrical engineers say. The electrons,or whatever name you want to put on it,travels basically on the surface. If the force is increased on the same size conductor,it starts to flow further inside the conductor which starts to heat the conductor because of more opposition to the flow. This is why higher current carrying wires are stranded because there is more surface area and less resistance.

A simple anaology would be a garden hose spraying down a driveway compared to spraying the ground. More feedback on the driveway than the ground.

"Conversely, free space devoid of matter offers total opposition to the flow of electricity. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet this is the concept of electricity propounded by the scientist of today"

A misleading statement and play on words. Free space is not devoid of matter and they know it.




 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on August 19, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
The explanation of Marco is EXCELLENT!!!
After reading about similar subjects and authors, I have got the same conclusion as him. Real electrical current is Cold Electricity, and not Transverse ElectroMagnetic waves. The EM energy is an unnatural, retarded form of electrical energy.

Conventional sciences looks at the EM energy instead of Cold Electricity. The key is all the universe has an extremely high amount of this "cold electrical current" (massless energy, displacement energy, etc...).

This Cold Energy is based on sub-electronic particles. I mean, the pure potential waves has a very known kind of electrical particle called "Neutrino, Tachyon...", instead of the electron.
When you switch on a circuit, there is radiant energy flowing through there. After a period of time, electrons start to flow in the circuit and then you can measure voltage and amperage. This happens after a very short time (depending the material of the wire, and other characteristics), called The Relaxation time in conductors. You can extract ampere-free energy from ANY energy source. The only thing that kills the battery is the amperage extracted. If you extract pure potential waves (electrostatic energy), the ambient will replenish all the voltage, but not a single drop of ampere.

Static electrical current is present everywhere in the space-time, so we can extract unlimited amounts of electrical energy anywhere and anytime. That just what Tesla tried to show us.

I will made a section explaining better this.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on August 20, 2010, 02:07:46 AM
Okay so how do we extract as much as possible without moving electrons?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on August 20, 2010, 02:29:04 PM
basically separating the flow of electrons from the flow of aether particles. there are 2 mainly techniques to accomplish this: the first one is a capacitive separation and the second one is inductive separation.

i've started writting a little book thtat I'll publish for free. there are tons of information in the net, but you need to read different books and information to understand it. I can compile all that information in few pages of condensed information that will make much more clear to understand the free energy tech.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on August 20, 2010, 02:59:24 PM
Magnethos
Thank you in advance for sharing your knowledge!
{What you have written so far ,sounds good}

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: dole on August 30, 2010, 04:05:48 PM
Please everything mentioned about cold electricity and Tesla is troth.
There is lot of properties of this kind of energy interacting with nature and
I may suggest everyone interested to experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGkZIx4rseE

d.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on September 05, 2010, 10:37:16 AM
Please everything mentioned about cold electricity and Tesla is troth.
There is lot of properties of this kind of energy interacting with nature and
I may suggest everyone interested to experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGkZIx4rseE

d.

Interesting experiment, your experiment remembers me to the famous "Hairpin Circuit" of tesla. But I cannot see the circuitry.
Can you explain us how you've made it? I have read the link you give in the answers, but it will be useful to know more about how you did it.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ouguru4u on September 06, 2010, 02:46:18 AM
Very nice coil you have in the Magnetic Resonance youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSowLrufs0&feature=channel

Can you provide instructions for that coil design?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Bob Smith on September 06, 2010, 03:42:37 PM
I think this is the link to Tesla's schematic (had to condense spaces and change commas to periods in link given on YT video):
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#35
Looking forward to hearing more about this one.

@Magnethos - great intro to CE. I'm anxious to see your summary when you've made it available.
Regards,
Bob
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on September 06, 2010, 05:30:09 PM
@Bob
The problem is making one or another energy system is that people want to build a working device. But the question is no that, the question is "How energy really works".

We know that classical electromagnetics theory is incomplete. But a lot of people is still trying to do a vacuum energy extractor using electromagnetism. Reading the Ohm's law and thinking by yourself, you can think that anything is missed in the classic theory.

The planet earth is an inmense reservoir of static energy, but people say that "they need amperes". Amperes are the system losses in form of heat. But you can demostrate this with Ohm's Law with very simple experiments.

If people are looking for more amperage, they are looking for more losses.
And you need to remember that anyone cannot have gains in a system based on losses.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Bob Smith on September 06, 2010, 08:11:28 PM
Quote
The problem is making one or another energy system is that people want to build a working device. But the question is no that, the question is "How energy really works".

We know that classical electromagnetics theory is incomplete. But a lot of people is still trying to do a vacuum energy extractor using electromagnetism. Reading the Ohm's law and thinking by yourself, you can think that anything is missed in the classic theory.

The planet earth is an inmense reservoir of static energy, but people say that "they need amperes". Amperes are the system losses in form of heat. But you can demostrate this with Ohm's Law with very simple experiments.

If people are looking for more amperage, they are looking for more losses.
And you need to remember that anyone cannot have gains in a system based on losses.

@ Magnethos,
Thanks for your feedback - I am in complete agreement.

We are indeed enmeshed in a system designed to produce losses, that generates a profit for those who manufacture and maintain its antequated and inefficient technologies.

I agree with you, that we need to approach this problem with a new paradigm that describes the true working of electricity. Standard textbooks have given us a very incomplete and misleading picture.  Most people I've spoken to arrogantly assert that there is simply no other way of understanding electricity.

I believe the solution is for us to continue sharing our progress and insights as we  uncover systems which tap into the sea of energy surrounding us.

I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on this subject.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on September 06, 2010, 08:58:59 PM
@ Magnethos,
Thanks for your feedback - I am in complete agreement.

We are indeed enmeshed in a system designed to produce losses, that generates a profit for those who manufacture and maintain its antequated and inefficient technologies.

I agree with you, that we need to approach this problem with a new paradigm that describes the true working of electricity. Standard textbooks have given us a very incomplete and misleading picture.  Most people I've spoken to arrogantly assert that there is simply no other way of understanding electricity.

I believe the solution is for us to continue sharing our progress and insights as we  uncover systems which tap into the sea of energy surrounding us.

I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on this subject.

Don't worry about that, most people will say you "that is impossible!". Of course, each one is freely to choose his thoughts. Some will say you that because they're educated in a way that they don't accept to look at pseudoscientific science, other will admit that could be true but they don't want to believe in that thing, etc...

I met a man here in the country I live, that has invented a free energy device in the 1960s. He also invented a wireless telephone and an electrotherapeutic device. A lot of people from around the world have met him (including nasa and ford) and some people have said that his machine is impossible and he need to be using some nuclear battery to do that.
So, there are some people that, seeing with their own eyes a free energy device, they don't believe in that things.

The man told us that he learnt those thing experimenting day and night (he says that he cannot sleep). In the newspapers he has in his wall, I read that "I have a very good books, but no one explains the things I know." also, there is a quote that says "All the classical books would be burnt to understand the machine". So, he wants to say that classical theory is incomplete. Usually the people that have built some free energy devices, say that.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: dole on September 07, 2010, 01:09:11 AM
@ouguru4u, @Magnethos
It would be my pleasure to explain what I did but it could be completely wrong so please I am still studding different phenomena.
Yes this is simple an condenser discharge on a both side of the coil connected in a parallel and discharge through the thick copper pipe or a wire. Exactly as in the mentioned link, and similar to the hairpin,  I used the rotary spark gap, but what I found important is stated in the original notes (standing wave), further important rule is a exactly equal symmetry, length to fix nodes and of course induction and capacity and input frequency. I did not have more than 50Hz at that moment so then resonant frequency is omega=314 rad/s for 50HZ and respectively chosen capacity and induction.
This is the real Tesla primary, here I may insert in series with primary thick U bar and light incandescent light bulb. I am still studding resonance and a excitation only in the primary.
Same principle is used for the ferrite core coil excitation.

d.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 03:43:48 AM
Dole appears to be using Naudin's circuit that attempts to replicate the claimed free energy device of Kapanadze.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/

There are lots of tricks that have been recycled over the years make people think they have a free energy device using a light bulb. Most are just self deluded from what I have seen and I have seen a bunch of them.

Increasing voltage will increase the amount of light from a bulb. Voltage is stepped down from the power lines so you don't have electric arcs coming out of the wall socket but the power to your home would be much more efficient if it were not. Not having a wall fire or getting electrocuted every time you try and plug something in is what you get for stepping it down.

What you don't see in any of the Naudin replications is a self running device and that is always the final jury. Another thing you don't see is a proper measurement of voltage and current. Instead you see output measured here, lux measured there, etc. What? Nobody has a scope or ability to measure true RMS? Nobody has heard of Fourier analysis?

I seriously doubt that they have replicated anything more than a joule thief which uses an unsaturable reactor to step up voltage and people believe that equals more power as they use a light bulb to measure output.

That is not science, free energy or anything that is not understood. Just the self delusion of the uneducated masses.

Here are the basic rules regarding free energy devices:

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

3. E=MC2 is the formula that is used to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass. Instead of "E", Einstein should have called it "MTAE" (mass to atomic energy conversion) MTAEC=MC2. The more you accelerate the mass, the more energy you can convert and it does violate any laws of thermodynamics. It is free energy in an economic sense since the universe compressed energy into the mass and it takes less energy to extract it than what you get out.

Energy is not the ability to do work, that would be potential energy. M=E (mass = energy) just as Maxwell stated. Again Einstein screwed up someone else's work and that was about all he ever did in his over hyped useless life.

Electricity itself is mass to atomic energy conversion and once you understand what electricity is, how all free energy devices work is obvious. Just locate the mass being converted and the method of acceleration and you understand how it works.

It is so simple and yet so elusive to most since in order to understand it, they have to UNlearn something that is not true. Me thinks Einstein was working for his friend Rockafeller or JP Morgan. Einstein was pretty much dismissed by real scientists just a few years after e=mc2. He hid it in plain sight.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 07, 2010, 04:10:33 AM
Here are the basic rules regarding free energy devices:

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

...

the above is flawed logic, similar to the 'all swans are white' logical fallacy...
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 07, 2010, 04:22:42 AM
  The electron inertia in a 1s orbital in electrical terms computes to 1 milliampere of current.  That is alot of current in just one tiny spot.  Now if you combine the currents in one mole of atoms you have 6 times 10 to the 20 amperes.  That is an astounding amount of mass in motion.  When mass in motion slows down it emits photons or quantom inertia.  The rate at which it slows down will determine the wavelength of the emitted photons.  When they slow down at the end of a brief acceleration in a vacuum tube they emit xrays.  When you get them to slow down and emit ultraviolet light it ionizes air molecules which then causes more electrons to get cut loose from the air molecules which are subsequently slowed down until your first litlle push in one atom has a whole mole of atoms accelerated in a common direction.  They hit a target with billions of times the energy of the input.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 04:33:51 AM
BEMF is the emf generated in a wire next to a wire with current flowing through it, which is in opposition to the first current.

It is not magnetic field collapse or backward time.

If cold electricity involves a movement of electrons or is BEMF - why is there no magnetic field associated with it?

Because it is slightly superluminal?

An electric arc produces cold electricity and it is the negative E? - see Paul Dirac. Mass is being converted into energy in an electric arc and as such, electrons and other free charge carriers are flowing to the arc at light speed.

Electrons on the other hand move down a wire at a speed of less than 1 meter per minute. The shockwave positive voltage is caused by the Ahanorov Bohm effect as charge carriers from the electron sea are cavitated on the conductor surrounding an inductor and converted into potential energy - that is what electricity is, mass to atomic energy conversion. This knowledge is suppressed as it is key to understanding how free energy devices work.

If people understood that, then they would look for ways to accelerate those charge carriers and increase the amount of mass being converted.

There is a Canadian guy that is selling a free energy device and he appeared on a inventor TV show. He stated that the transformer would have to be rewound every few years. I suspect the reason for that is that the accelerated charge carriers on the copper wire will erode the insulation.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 04:37:34 AM
the above is flawed logic, similar to the 'all swans are white' logical fallacy...

Naturally you don't see the irony of what you just stated and how you just stated the same thing only in the negative.

You also offer nothing but your own negative projection of generality and confusion as proof which is not proof. It is just a giant black hole sucking the intelligent life out of this thread.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 04:40:15 AM
  The electron inertia in a 1s orbital in electrical terms computes to 1 milliampere of current.  That is alot of current in just one tiny spot.  Now if you combine the currents in one mole of atoms you have 6 times 10 to the 20 amperes.  That is an astounding amount of mass in motion.  When mass in motion slows down it emits photons or quantom inertia.  The rate at which it slows down will determine the wavelength of the emitted photons.  When they slow down at the end of a brief acceleration in a vacuum tube they emit xrays.  When you get them to slow down and emit ultraviolet light it ionizes air molecules which then causes more electrons to get cut loose from the air molecules which are subsequently slowed down until your first litlle push in one atom has a whole mole of atoms accelerated in a common direction.  They hit a target with billions of times the energy of the input.

Yes sparks, a vacuum is one method of acceleration. Magnetic compression (see Thane Heinz) is another and there are many more.

I like magnetic compression as it is as simple to understand as pulling the string of a bow before shooting the arrow. Thane will someday figure out how to use a bifilar coil to pluck the electrons off the coil and increase flow as Stan Meyer did.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 05:27:18 AM
My apologies to xdole as I may have made an error in my evaluation of his device. He does not appear to be doing what Naudin is doing upon a closer examination of his coil.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Xdole#p/u/1/wQSowLrufs0

He may very well be he first person to actually demonstrate cold electricity however without replication, it is all quite useless.

If you look at his coil, you see wires going back in the opposite direction. This appears to be somewhat similar to what Norm Wootan (sorry if I got that name wrong) was doing. Regardless, it appears that he could have the basic construct of a coil that produces acceleration there.

I would be interested to know if the nail is emitting BETA radiation and I would damn sure like to replicate that. I have everything required if you are willing to share your plans. If not, what are you doing here xdole?

What happens if you place a magnet at one end of the nail? I would love to see a video of that!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 07, 2010, 06:56:15 AM
Naturally you don't see the irony of what you just stated and how you just stated the same thing only in the negative.

You also offer nothing but your own negative projection of generality and confusion as proof which is not proof. It is just a giant black hole sucking the intelligent life out of this thread.
naturally you don't see the megalomania of what you stated...
what i see is you claiming to have knowledge of "ALL" free energy devices. which means knowledge of every free energy device past, present and future, which is obviously delusional. ::) furthermore, you have no evidence of your claims.
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

as an aside, weren't you the guy who was all sycophantic just a short time ago?
I have no idea who you are but I finally found someone that THINKS like I do or even at all. You live in reality and that is difficult to find. You understand that words have meaning and the difference between a magical thought and reality. The direct and logical way you not only express those thoughts but stand your ground tells me that you have integrity at all thought levels.

I have searched the web for such a creature that has the same interests and thought processes as myself and had all but given up.

WilbyInebriated, if you would be willing to be my lord and savior, I would be honored.  ;D

Sorry I gushed out my emotions there but just needed to take a moment to worship quite possibly the only other sane human on Earth.

PS - Are you hiring disciples? You do have a book deal yet? Christ didn't get a book deal until several hundred years after his death and it was written by people that had never met him and then edited thousands of times by people that had never met the writers.
yeah, that was you... what happened to your integrity???
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sm0ky2 on September 07, 2010, 09:11:51 AM
"be my lord and savior"
thats one to crack a beer to lol


What exactly is "cold electricity" ???

isn't ALL electricity "cold", beyond the ionization point of air,
at some.... 7150V ??? (at least until it hits something......)

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: dole on September 07, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
Please, I was not intended to hide anything;
I just thought it would be of interest to show some of my experiments regarding the “cold electricity” and how I get there, but apologize if this produce just more mess
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg240036#msg240036

d.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 05:50:26 PM
naturally you don't see the megalomania of what you stated...
what i see is you claiming to have knowledge of "ALL" free energy devices. which means knowledge of every free energy device past, present and future, which is obviously delusional. ::) furthermore, you have no evidence of your claims.
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

as an aside, weren't you the guy who was all sycophantic just a short time ago?yeah, that was you... what happened to your integrity???

Again you project. My sanity remains intact however yours is in question. If you don't have anything technical to discuss then don't. If you think trying to smear others makes you taller or smarter, it does not.

It is pointless to discuss anything with you unless you are willing to discuss the technical aspects of an argument. People use analogy when they can't discuss the technical aspects of a device.

People like me use sarcasm to point that out once it has been determined you can't discuss the matter at hand. So here goes...

You are totally right, geese are the primary source of energy. While I have always used baby white geese in my devices, it is possible to use brown geese although I doubt they are as efficient but probably cost less per hour to operate.

I will convert a brown goose to free energy as an experiment soon. Until then, I would prefer to not discuss energy with you since I don't want to bias the experiment.

Since the energy must come from somewhere and I can't afford magic fairy dust, that is how I came to the conclusion that geese were the source of all free energy devices and years of research have proven that to be true.

You didn't by any chance write this article on energy did you?
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Red_bull

Sounds like something you might write.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 07, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
Please, I was not intended to hide anything;
I just thought it would be of interest to show some of my experiments regarding the “cold electricity” and how I get there, but apologize if this produce just more mess
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg240036#msg240036

d.

Thanks for the link dole, that is something I am going to play with.  What did you use for caps?

EDIT

OK I found the info in your post 2000pf 40kv. I also found a part number for that cap TDK UHV-9A

Is that what you used?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 07, 2010, 11:05:35 PM
Again you project. My sanity remains intact however yours is in question. If you don't have anything technical to discuss then don't. If you think trying to smear others makes you taller or smarter, it does not.
you are the one making the claim that you have knowledge of ALL free energy devices... not me. back up your ludicrous claims with some substance and THEN we can discuss the tecnicalities. as of now, you are putting the cart before the horse. i am not 'smearing' you, i am pointing out that there is no way you could have knowledge of ALL free energy devices. you don't even have ONE free energy device to demonstrate its workings much less ALL of them... ::)

It is pointless to discuss anything with you unless you are willing to discuss the technical aspects of an argument. People use analogy when they can't discuss the technical aspects of a device.
what technical discussion can be had about your use of logical fallacy? none. there is no way you could have knowledge of ALL free energy devices, this is utterly obvious.

the rest of your post is irrelevant and as such, i will not bother to respond to it.


@dole, thanks for posting your experiment, i found it interesting.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 02:28:30 AM
you are the one making the claim that you have knowledge of ALL free energy devices... not me. back up your ludicrous claims with some substance and THEN we can discuss the tecnicalities. as of now, you are putting the cart before the horse. i am not 'smearing' you, i am pointing out that there is no way you could have knowledge of ALL free energy devices. you don't even have ONE free energy device to demonstrate its workings much less ALL of them... ::)
what technical discussion can be had about your use of logical fallacy? none. there is no way you could have knowledge of ALL free energy devices, this is utterly obvious.

the rest of your post is irrelevant and as such, i will not bother to respond to it.


@dole, thanks for posting your experiment, i found it interesting.

This coming from a drunk that holds the color of geese as proof of your insane claims.

I also claim to have knowledge of ALL of the most abundant mass on Earth. ALL WATER IS MADE FROM HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN!!!

I also claim to have knowledge of all life on Earth. Yeah... you can really freak out now! ALL LIFE ON EARTH REQUIRES WATER TO LIVE.

By your beliefs based in your own self delusion of self importance, there is NO WAY I could know about ALL water or all water because feather come in many colors. Meanwhile you justify your insanity based in belief and disbelief on your superior knowledge of the color of geese and because I agreed with you once, I am skitzophrenic if I don't always agree with you always. Psycho projection?

If you were not insane and not a social misfit, you would have chosen a free energy device that you actually know something about and asked me to apply those rules to the device but you didn't. Then you claim I make false statements because I didn't upload a book filled with thousands of pages explaining all free energy devices.

Why don't you get some help from a psychologist. Tell the doctor you have a little self delusion problem and that you project your flaws like all the other retards.

EDIT

You can't even spell "tecnicalities" much less discuss them. This is not a free energy device nor does he claim it is.

I can't have some knowledge of all free energy devices because you said so? Sorry loser, because I said so does not cut it in science. I gave practical examples and you think you validated your disbelief insanity with the color of geese..

I will do the world a favor here. Here is my challenge loser:

Pick ANY free energy device that has been highly evaluated and is understood and I will show you where the acceleration takes place and the mass being converted. If I can do that, and I can, you agree to NEVER post at overunity again. If I can't, I will never post here again.

THAT is the challenge. Now put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 03:57:01 AM
This coming from a drunk that holds the color of geese as proof of your insane claims.

I also claim to have knowledge of ALL of the most abundant mass on Earth. ALL WATER IS MADE FROM HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN!!!

I also claim to have knowledge of all life on Earth. Yeah... you can really freak out now! ALL LIFE ON EARTH REQUIRES WATER TO LIVE.

By your beliefs based in your own self delusion of self importance, there is NO WAY I could know about ALL water or all water because feather come in many colors. Meanwhile you justify your insanity based in belief and disbelief on your superior knowledge of the color of geese and because I agreed with you once, I am skitzophrenic if I don't always agree with you always. Psycho projection?

If you were not insane and not a social misfit, you would have chosen a free energy device that you actually know something about and asked me to apply those rules to the device but you didn't. Then you claim I make false statements because I didn't upload a book filled with thousands of pages explaining all free energy devices.

Why don't you get some help from a psychologist. Tell the doctor you have a little self delusion problem and that you project your flaws like all the other retards.

EDIT

You can't even spell "tecnicalities" much less discuss them. This is not a free energy device nor does he claim it is.

I can't have some knowledge of all free energy devices because you said so? Sorry loser, because I said so does not cut it in science. I gave practical examples and you think you validated your disbelief insanity with the color of geese..

I will do the world a favor here. Here is my challenge loser:

Pick ANY free energy device that has been highly evaluated and is understood and I will show you where the acceleration takes place and the mass being converted. If I can do that, and I can, you agree to NEVER post at overunity again. If I can't, I will never post here again.

THAT is the challenge. Now put up or shut up.
logical falllacy as a response... imagine that. ::)
ad hominem, red herrings, fallacies of relevance, strawmen. oh my!!
you can't even demonstrate ONE free energy device much less ALL (all means ALL, past, present and devices yet to be made) of them.

what claims have i made? i have made none, other than calling out your logical fallacies as fallacies. you are the one claiming knowledge that is not possible for you to have. you don't know the future, quit being a delusional goofball. back up your claims with some evidence and cease with the logical fallacy. ::)

you are putting the cart before the horse... i will take up your challenge after you provide some evidence for your claims, which is what you have been avoiding with your continued use of logical fallacy in a poor attempt at distraction...
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

it is not 'so' just because YOU claim it to be. prove it.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 04:06:35 AM
logical falllacy as a response... imagine that. ::)
ad hominem, red herrings, fallacies of relevance, strawmen. oh my!!
you can't even demonstrate ONE free energy device much less ALL (all means ALL, past, present and devices yet to be made) of them.

what claims have i made? i have made none, other than calling out your logical fallacies as fallacies you are the one claiming knowlegde that is not possible for you to have. you don't know the future, quit being a delusional goofball. back up your claims with some evidence and cease with the logical fallacy. ::)

I didn't think you would be able to rise to the challenge, name calling is all you are good for. Why are you here? To smear anyone that actually knows something about the subject of free energy?

What wrong coward, are you afraid I will be able to show you exactly where the acceleration is taking place and the mass being converted on a device YOU PICKED? :)

Stupid people are fearful people. They are like crabs in a pit, always trying to pull the other crabs down to their level. You IQ (or lack thereof) is quite obvious from your lack of writing skill and the ignorance you project.

I am not coward or a moron, I am always willing to put my money where my mouth is unlike you.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 04:09:20 AM
I didn't think you would be able to rise to the challenge, name calling is all you are good for. Why are you here? To smear anyone that actually knows something about the subject of free energy?

What wrong coward, are you afraid I will be able to show you exactly where the acceleration is taking place and the mass being converted on a device YOU PICKED? :)

Stupid people are fearful people. They are like crabs in a pit, always trying to pull the other crabs down to their level. You IQ (or lack thereof) is quite obvious from your lack of writing skill and the ignorance you project.

I am not coward or a moron, I am always willing to put my money where my mouth is unlike you.
put it where your mouth is then...
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

do that and i will take up your challenge, stop dancing around using logical fallacy in a poor attempt at distracting attention from your megalomaniacal claims.

if you respond with logical fallacy again, i'm just going to put you on my ignore list...
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 04:15:43 AM
put it where your mouth is then...
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

do that and i will take up your challenge, stop dancing around using logical fallacy in a poor attempt at distracting attention from your megalomaniacal claims.

if you respond with logical fallacy again, i'm just going to put you on my ignore list...

What a surprise, the coward going to shove his head in the sand when confronted with his own BS?

I already did moron.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7378.msg255870#msg255870

Since you can't write, it is fair to assume you can't read either. Have a look at posts I have made in the past or would that hurt your poor little brain too much?

I explained how an accelerator is used to make a chemical precursor that allowed Meyer to run a car on water. Ever heard of Stan Meyer? One of the most documented free energy devices and least understood.

You are too stupid to realize I ALREADY PUT UP. NOW SHUT UP AND SHOVE YOU POOR WIDDLE BRAIN IN THE SAND COWARD.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 04:21:02 AM
What a surprise, the coward going to shove his head in the sand when confronted with his own BS?

I already did moron.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7378.msg255870#msg255870

Since you can't write, it is fair to assume you can't read either. Have a look at posts I have made in the past or would that hurt your poor little brain too much?

I explained how an accelerator is used to make a chemical precursor that allowed Meyer to run a car on water. Ever heard of Stan Meyer? One of the most documented free energy devices and least understood.

You are too stupid to realize I ALREADY PUT UP. NOW SHUT UP AND SHOVE YOU POOR WIDDLE BRAIN IN THE SAND COWARD.
you didn't put up evidence of ALL free energy devices behaving in the manner you described... ::)
your claim was "ALL free energy devices" remember? so let's have it big boy, please show us ALL the free energy devices (past, present and future) and then DEMONSTRATE how your delusional claims apply to ALL OF THEM... ::)

stan meyers... so then, demonstrate your car running on water. ::) you're just another talking head that can't substantiate its claims.

while i am waiting for you to achieve that, i'm going to place you on my ignore list since you can't seem to refrain from using logical fallacies repeatedly.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 04:32:35 AM
you didn't put up evidence of ALL free energy devices behaving in the manner you described... ::)
your claim was "ALL free energy devices" remember? so let's have it big boy, please show us ALL the free energy devices (past, present and future) and then DEMONSTRATE how your delusional claims apply to ALL OF THEM... ::)

stan meyers... so then, demonstrate your car running on water. ::) you're just another talking head that can't substantiate its claims.

while i am waiting for you to achieve that, i'm going to place you on my ignore list since you can't seem to refrain from using logical fallacies repeatedly.

I am not going to demonstrate a car running on water, Stan Meyer already did that. How it works (H2O2 or rocket fuel) is fully understood by anybody with basic chemistry knowledge.

Only a fool would demonstrate a working free energy device here or anywhere else. That is why they are dead soon after and places like this are used to hunt for them.

Smarter people instead show people how they work. You seem to have a problem with that. Are you working for someone or are you just an insecure coward?

I have explained how at least one free energy device worked. You are still at ZERO.

You are afraid to take my challenge because you know that you will get your ass handed to you. Your purpose for being here is pure destruction.

Why don't point out one free energy device that DOES NOT use acceleration to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass? COWARD?

You can't do either. You project your "logical fallacy" that since I am unwilling to post a complete encyclopedia on all free energy devices, which does not exist, then the laws I posted regarding free energy devices is false.

Anyone with a tiny amount of sanity or intelligence can see what you are and anyone with some knowledge about the subject of free energy devices can look at what they know and find the accelerator and the mass being converted. You lose.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 05:11:05 AM
Rather than take my challenge and attempt to prove me wrong, that empty hat went to this thread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9151.msg256080#msg256080

and is now arguing the meaning of his username.

I on the other hand demonstrated where the acceleration is taking place and the mass being converted on the device being discussed. The only that has put up so far is me.

He claimed he was going to put me on his ignore list but didn't have the integrity to live into that either. Stupid people lack integrity.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 08, 2010, 12:40:15 PM
   Willy is definitely a master of logic.  Not all is logical some of it is intuitive.  This is where a dreamer and a deducer will go head to head trying to master reality neither one will ever win.  For every logical statement a dreamer can just dream up another sceanario.  Some where in the middle the truth usually lies.  Well this is my deduction based on a dream of Willy.  I apologise in advance to Willy if this offends him in any way it is just my observation.  I feel he does work hard here and his input quite valuable at times. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 08, 2010, 02:21:14 PM
   Willy is definitely a master of logic.  Not all is logical some of it is intuitive.  This is where a dreamer and a deducer will go head to head trying to master reality neither one will ever win.  For every logical statement a dreamer can just dream up another sceanario.  Some where in the middle the truth usually lies.  Well this is my deduction based on a dream of Willy.  I apologise in advance to Willy if this offends him in any way it is just my observation.  I feel he does work hard here and his input quite valuable at times.
thanks, but i am not worthy to be called a master of anything, i am but a learner and hopefully shall be 'till i die. i agree some is intuitive. although i dream often, awake or asleep, i do try and balance that with logic and reason.
no offense taken sparks, and thanks for the compliments. i won't even ask why you are dreaming about me ;)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 06:47:13 PM
I hope you two were using a condom during that hand to gland "exchange"...

Hey sparks, before he converts you into an illogical emo punk homo too, try solving a technical puzzle:

If 1 electron contains 1 ma of current, how many amps does 1 gram of pure copper contain? Please show your work and wash your hands before answering as I don't want to catch anything from the ass prophets.

Ohhh willy inbreedddddddd! I found someone that probably wants to "goose" you. http://www.richardsimmons.com   He is offering free gay cruise coupons! If sparks can't answer my question I am going to assume he was doing more than just experimenting with his feminine emotions and mail you both a coupon.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 08:00:43 PM
I am not going to demonstrate a car running on water, Stan Meyer already did that. How it works (H2O2 or rocket fuel) is fully understood by anybody with basic chemistry knowledge.

Only a fool would demonstrate a working free energy device here or anywhere else. That is why they are dead soon after and places like this are used to hunt for them.

Smarter people instead show people how they work. You seem to have a problem with that. Are you working for someone or are you just an insecure coward?

I have explained how at least one free energy device worked. You are still at ZERO.

You are afraid to take my challenge because you know that you will get your ass handed to you. Your purpose for being here is pure destruction.

Why don't point out one free energy device that DOES NOT use acceleration to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass? COWARD?

You can't do either. You project your "logical fallacy" that since I am unwilling to post a complete encyclopedia on all free energy devices, which does not exist, then the laws I posted regarding free energy devices is false.

Anyone with a tiny amount of sanity or intelligence can see what you are and anyone with some knowledge about the subject of free energy devices can look at what they know and find the accelerator and the mass being converted. You lose.

You got your ass handed to you in this thread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7378.msg256081#msg256081

and ran away like a coward claiming you were going to put me on your ignore list but instead came over here to argue the meaning of your username. How pathetic.

Well at least you didn't deny being a homo which would explain your poor writing. Are you typing with a lisp your Godlyness?

For what it is worth, everything you type is more gay than Richard Simmons riding a unicycle in a colored rainbow unitard while juggling 6 pink dildos.

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the ATOMIC ENERGY contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to accomplish that task.

OK, you can freak out now or you can point to ANY well documented free energy device you choose and I will show you where the accelerator is and the mass being converted. Afraid to take the challenge COWARD?

Let's try Thrapp's water heater as long as were are here. The accelerator is the cavitation that takes place in the center of the tank also known as sonofusion. The mass being converted is the water.

See how that works? I actually have something of substance to offer and back up my claims. You seem to think that ATTEMPTING to smear others with your self deluded God complex is a contribution. Sorry your holyness, it is not.

The beauty of the process is that the mass is not consumed.

Modified:
Glad to see you are back in the saddle and riding Wilby like a rented mule.

Is "cold electricity" ever explained in this thread?  I couldn't find it amongst all the shots across the bow.

Added file for any who missed it:
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 09:11:34 PM
The beauty of the process is that the mass is not consumed.

Modified:
Glad to see you are back in the saddle and riding Wilby like a rented mule.

Is "cold electricity" ever explained in this thread?  I couldn't find it amongst all the shots across the bow.

Quote
Glad to see you are back in the saddle and riding Wilby like a rented mule.

WTF? If I need a cheerleader, I will dress Ramset up in a plaid miniskirt, shove a vibrator up his butt and hand him some pom poms to complete the effect like everyone else does.

Definition of cold electricity:
Cold electricity is what my computer transmits to websites like this after some drunken emo-homo claims to know everything that I know which he can't know and then holds up colored goose feathers as proof while falsely claiming I claim to know everything about all free energy devices imagining he proves that in his self deluded state since I can't instantly upload an imaginary  complete encyclopedia of all free energy devices ever produced on Earth with complete replication details including technical manuals and prototypes of each one.

Definition of Coulomb's law:
Coulomb's law states that opposites attract and Wilby attracted Sparks who was a perfectly good manly man until last night when in a weakened unconscious state began dreaming of Wilby. The ginormous force of Wilby's gayness transcended space and time and swallowed up Spark's man peanuts which instantly converted them into ovaries filled with fruity cocktails which he now wears on the outside of his pink unitard in public after shaving his skin bag and painting little yellow happy faces on the twins.

Given the fact that Sparks didn't answer my "mole" question, I am assuming that he is busy at one of these locations (http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/pubsandbars/gay-bars-in-london-recommended-london-258.html) which is sad since he was the definitive source of male existentialism in the universe.

And they say gayness isn't contagious... BS! Sparks needs to drink a case of Red Bull and rush down to the London zoo and kill a grizzly bear with his bare hands in an attempt to convert himself back into a being of pure light and clean usable energy like he once was prior to last night's fateful dream.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 09:31:19 PM
WTF-ever Buzz.  I see you are still pushing the cavitation pill.  How is that working out?

(Wilby just wants to know if the rabbit has a hole or not - LOL!!!)

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
You may want to explain that accelerating the mass does not require actually moving it, just changing it's energy.

EDIT:

"sparks" is rumored to be GOV, and they don't ask and don't tell, but we know how Hoover was -  :-*


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
WTF-ever Buzz.  I see you are still pushing the cavitation pill.  How is that working out?

(Wilby just wants to know if the rabbit has a hole or not - LOL!!!)

I find it disturbing that you claim to know what Wilby wants. Did you by chance have a dream about him last night?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
I find it disturbing that you claim to know what Wilby wants. Did you by chance have a dream about him last night?

So that is how it is gonna be?  OK

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 10:00:05 PM
You may want to explain that accelerating the mass does not require actually moving it, just changing it's energy.

EDIT:

"sparks" is rumored to be GOV, and they don't ask and don't tell, but we know how Hoover was -  :-*

Everyone here is .GOV including me. I was hired to start flame wars in an attempt to keep you intel butt monkeys separated at work while amusing you with my sensitive and charming personality.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
So that is how it is gonna be?  OK

Still married or did you leave you for a patent clerk that could induce G-spot cavitation?

Did I leave me? Was that supposed to be funny?

You might leave the humor to people that can develop things like sentences, complete thoughts and of course humor.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 10:13:32 PM
Sorry it was over your head.

Anyway, going around saying "cavitation" and "mass to energy conversion" is not enough for some people.  They don't have a foundation to build from to figure out how it works.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 08, 2010, 11:02:39 PM
Geeese,
Look at the size of that guys head!
"Holy crap"
What did he eat "quark" and "quark one".
How's he even fit in here?

Tell yah what. He must be a Really fart smellah!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 11:24:27 PM
Geeese,
Look at the size of that guys head!
"Holy crap"
What did he eat "quark" and "quark one".
How's he even fit in here?

Tell yah what. He must be a Really fart smellah!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3951653,00.html

Must be freezing your arse off.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 08, 2010, 11:54:11 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3951653,00.html

Must be freezing your arse off.

Did hell freeze over? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 12:01:23 AM
Did hell freeze over? I don't get it.


inside joke
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 12:36:35 AM
HHmm..........
Some how I think I'm gonna regret this!
But I don't "get it" either?

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 12:39:21 AM
OK poor joke.  Moving on.

This thread is about "cold electricity".  I've heard the "tales".  Does it exist and if so what is it?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
OK poor joke.  Moving on.

This thread is about "cold electricity".  I've heard the "tales".  Does it exist and if so what is it?

Sure it exists. It is nothing more than alpha and beta and even some gamma emission. It seeks organic stuff for some reason.

I would like to see a video of dole placing a small piece of paper near the end of the nail without the wires attached to see if it attracts to the nail.

Unfortunately dole has a different thread and only appears here as a special guest star on occasion. He has an aversion to controversy and I pretty much live for it.

Dole claims on his drawing he uses 50HZ on the primary but also claimed 10K on the output. New math?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 01:09:30 AM
Sure it exists. It is nothing more than alpha and beta and even some gamma emission. It seeks organic stuff for some reason.

I would like to see a video of dole placing a small piece of paper near the end of the nail without the wires attached to see if it attracts to the nail.

Unfortunately dole has a different thread and only appears here as a special guest star on occasion. He has an aversion to controversy and I pretty much live for it.

Dole claims on his drawing he uses 50HZ on the primary but also claimed 10K on the output. New math?


I don't have a nail that attracts anything, but how about a coil that attracts paper, plastic, or conductive objects? 

Does that indicate anything?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 01:36:37 AM

I don't have a nail that attracts anything, but how about a coil that attracts paper, plastic, or conductive objects? 

Does that indicate anything?

WARNING - 72% bullshit by volume.

To be candid I am not sure. I know that if you wind a iron coil around a copper core the copper will attract organic material. I was thinking about how to use it in trash separation.

Is your coil air core?

My thinking was that beta emission is magnetic and once the organics are saturated then a magnet would pick them out of a trash stream making me the organic trash king of Earth.

Also, if properly tuned, I am sure I could bring up this web site, point it at my monitor and vrrrrooooosh!  - out comes Wilby which I would sell back to satin for a hefty profit. All the google ads would be shipped UPS to Iran and used to destroy their crops.

Does that make me a bad person?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 01:46:18 AM
Quarktoo
quote:

WARNING - 72% bullshit by volume.

To be candid I am not sure. I know that if you wind a iron coil around a copper core the copper will attract organic material. I was thinking about how to use it in trash separation.

Is your coil air core?

My thinking was that beta emission is magnetic and once the organics are saturated then a magnet would pick them out of a trash stream making me the organic trash king of Earth.

Also, if properly tuned, I am sure I could bring up this web site, point it at my monitor and vrrrrooooosh!  - out comes Wilby which I would sell back to satin for a hefty profit. All the google ads would be shipped UPS to Iran and used to destroy their crops.

Does that make me a bad person?
----------------------
A bad person?
Quarktoo,
No that makes you an entrapManure!

Actually then you would be
                   an all Omimpotant EntrapManure!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
Yes, air core.  Very long wire, about 3000 feet.  Pulsed with several kv, very fast, short DC pulse.  Low kHz pulse rate.



How do you "know" the mass is producing the cavitation?  Beta emission?  Glowing of phosphor coatings?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 04:03:48 AM
Yes, air core.  Very long wire, about 3000 feet.  Pulsed with several kv, very fast, short DC pulse.  Low kHz pulse rate.

How do you "know" the mass is producing the cavitation?  Beta emission?  Glowing of phosphor coatings?

I keep an old picture tube in the corner for just for that reason but I don't know about this as I have not played with his cold electricity claim.

When mass loses energy, it gets colder. I think the name comes from the cold feeling that people feel from a spark gap. I think some of the mass that is losing energy is the person observing it and that is how it get's its name.

As far as what it is? I suspect a large non-polarized BETA burst as a result of the fusion / fission / electron cascade in the spark gap or arc.

I suspect that you could use a permanent magnet to polarize it and give it direction along the lines of the Methernitha. Nothing more than a hunch though and again I don't claim to know anything about it.

A glass tube for a wave guide might also give it some direction. A shorted coil with a magnet in front of it would probably accelerate it down the wave guide.

I really don't have any interest in cold electricity. I like mine hot fast and nasty like any normal hetero would. Necroelectrophiliacs kind of creep me out really.

Not surprised Wilby with his arrested development and craving for the pain my BDSM sessions provide would be into Necroelectrophilia. It would also explain his predilection for the insulation properties of black vinal boots and underwear as most necroelectrophiliacs are found dead in an electrical  closet with an electrode in their hand. David Carradine ring a bell?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 04:13:54 AM
Yes, air core.  Very long wire, about 3000 feet.  Pulsed with several kv, very fast, short DC pulse.  Low kHz pulse rate.



How do you "know" the mass is producing the cavitation?  Beta emission?  Glowing of phosphor coatings?

Oh.. OK I get your question. You could NOT have a cavitation without mass as it is impossible to have action at a distance without a physical connection. It is one of those pesky laws of physics that I surprisingly happen to agree with.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 04:14:06 AM
Quarktoo
Quote:
I really don't have any interest in cold electricity. I like mine hot fast and nasty like any normal hetero would. Necroelectrophiliacs kind of creep me out really.

Not surprised Wilby with his arrested development and craving for the pain my BDSM sessions provide would be into Necroelectrophilia. It would also explain his predilection for the insulation properties of black vinal boots and underwear as most necroelectrophiliacs are found dead in an electrical  closet with an electrode in their hand. David Carradine ring a bell?
-------------------

Holy crap,
David Carradine was a
NegroElectrophiliac??

Who woulda Thunk it?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 04:26:53 AM
Oh.. OK I get your question. You could NOT have a cavitation without mass as it is impossible to have action at a distance without a physical connection. It is one of those pesky laws of physics that I surprisingly happen to agree with.

Cavitation and Action at a distance...the medium provides the physical connection.  I know it is happening, but can't prove it.

What different methods of detection are available?  I have a detector with  a grounded grid that will detect Beta emissions, but it's not definitive.  I can impart charge to objects and attract objects and all that.  Yes these are all unique effects, but many do not accept them as proof of anything.

This begs the question: How much damn proof is required?

The effects increase with mass (more wire), higher voltage, and faster pulse rate, and faster pulse rise.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 05:06:45 AM
Cavitation and Action at a distance...the medium provides the physical connection.  I know it is happening, but can't prove it.

What different methods of detection are available?  I have a detector with  a grounded grid that will detect Beta emissions, but it's not definitive.  I can impart charge to objects and attract objects and all that.  Yes these are all unique effects, but many do not accept them as proof of anything.

This begs the question: How much damn proof is required?

The effects increase with mass (more wire), higher voltage, and faster pulse rate, and faster pulse rise.

Rather than try and fix others, fix yourself. The laws of physics are as incomplete and flawed as those that write them and use them. Accept that science, all science, is corrupted with big money from medicine, oil and bankers.

Tesla didn't claim to know the laws of physics, he wrote his own. He didn't need to pander to others because he had this little thing going for him called empirical science.

Tesla gave the ultimate proof in a working prototype. His attitude was he didn't have to explain it to the common thought agreement sheeple that we call peer reviewed science. It was their job to write laws of physics to explain it and if it violated their laws of physics, that was their problem.

Here is a quote from Mike Rivero on that subject that states it perfectly:

"Law" is a ridiculous anthropomorphism for "behavior." The use of that phrase "law" reveals the persistent bias in our society to blur the line between properties of objects and the behavior of sentience. There is no "law" of gravity; there is the behavior of objects of mass relative to the curvature of space. There is no "law" limiting speed to sub-light velocity; that limit is an epiphenomenon of the convergence of time and energy at light speed.

The use of the term "law" is a relic from an age where all things in nature were presumed to be the result of a decision or choice by the presumed gods, themselves inventions of tribal rulers to avoid having to admit, "I have no @#$%ing idea why the rain falls!" Even the adherence to the theory of the Big Bang, completely incompatible with Einstein's subsequent Theory of Relativity, is desperately clung to because of the religious bias towards a moment of supreme creation.  - Mike Rivero


As long as it works and you understand it, who cares what others think. You will never fix a corrupt power structure. The solution is to build a parallel power structure that is honest and real. Otherwise you feed a parasitic enemy that, in the end, only exists because of you and wouldn't exist without you.

Be an actor, not a reactor.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 09, 2010, 05:23:47 AM
100 posts and nothing but talking from the usual (armchair theorists) suspects, each one proselytizing their own arbitrary hypothesis, but yet having no experimental data to back it... imagine that. ::)

except dole, who (doing no proselytizing) in his own modest way tried to demonstrate something for the benefit of all. thank you dole.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 05:51:07 AM
Rather than try and fix others, fix yourself.
...
Be an actor, not a reactor.

Got it.

100 posts and nothing but talking from the usual (armchair theorists) suspects, each one proselytizing their own arbitrary hypothesis, but yet having no experimental data to back it... imagine that. ::)

except dole, who (doing no proselytizing) in his own modest way tried to demonstrate something for the benefit of all. thank you dole.

Over 1400 post and all you have done is prove that you are a closet homosexual, with a dressed-up dog, and necrophiliac tendencies.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 05:56:57 AM
Hold on now Sigma... For once I agree with Wilby. All discussion regarding theory should be reason to ban a user. Also, and to be more clear, discussing how something works or why it works is also WAY OUT OF LINE!

In fact, even if you prototype something that does something, you should NOT be able to theorize how it works, why it works and what it could used for.

That way we could have a completely content free forum without all that messy communication and knowledge sharing messing up Wilby's perfect world since it only makes retarded people tired and short people feel shorter. It should be monkey see, monkey do and nothing else.

Unfortunately then Wilbe would not have anything to do since he only armchairs others and there would be ZERO point in him being here. Make that less than zero.

Projection per the norm. It is a psychological defect that stupid insecure people tend to display since they are completely dependent on others for approval and are thus reactive.

Going through life reacting to the lives of people living their own lives doesn't get you much but the wrath of real people. Like a parasite only worse since you can crap parasite out and flush the toilet.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 09, 2010, 05:59:14 AM
Over 1400 post and all you have done is prove that you are a closet homosexual, with a dressed-up dog, and necrophiliac tendencies.
grumpy, you are engaging in logical fallacy again... care to back up your ludicrous claim with some substance?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 06:14:21 AM
grumpy, you are engaging in logical fallacy again... care to back up your ludicrous claim with some substance?

This functionally illiterate moron, that goes through life projecting his flaws on others, obviously stumbled across the definition of logical fallacy and figured he could flip that around and use it to try and rationalize his short man complex.

You can't fix crazy or stupid because you usually can't have one without the other. He stated he was going to ignore me several times but didn't. Notice how he lacks integrity like all morons?

Sparks was telling him that he was a dreamer and not being logical and this pathetic needy nut case took that as a compliment and used it as validation. I have refrained from pointing that out as I didn't want to mess with their dreams and had some pity for this pathetic skin bag.

Sparks should have known better and that is why I was mean to him. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 06:59:47 AM
Sigma16, Here are some thoughts on electricity and free energy. You may be one of the few around here that could understand it.

I found a paper relating to our PM's on this subject earlier today - I may have given you this paper in the past but it explains why the current appears in the core.  I didn't bring this up as I have over 10MB of science papers on my computer and was not sure I would be able to find this one.

The emission people call cold electricity is the splatter that occurs during the initiation of AB effect in the FE when the particle pieces clap back together. The particle is slapped back together with the speed and pressure of the universe and is where acceleration / cavitation / electron cascade takes place. (BETA emission) It is also what creates voltage and moves it at the speed of light.

While the mass or larger quarks are still probably present and reform, their mass is reduced and proof of that is action at a distance. You can't have it without mass in between.

The image below is the last page, do you have this paper? NOTE the orange outlined area. I don't want to upload the paper since I may have purchased it and it is copyrighted. PM me an email and I will send you my copy. I think I alluded to the AB effect in an early post on this cold electricity subject.

Understanding that AB effect opens the door to understanding electricity itself which most have no clue about and is often referred to as a phenomenon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_phenomena

Below is reason that I make the claim that electricity itself is mass to atomic energy conversion. Accelerate it to the next higher order and OU is possible. What is an order? Electrons flow down a copper wire at less than 1 meter per minute. E=MC2 is the equation. Move that electron at just under two meters per minute and you get to roughly square the energy output.

When you stop and think about it, you would need a particle smaller than an electron to shield a spin curl wave since the aether vortex is made of particles much smaller than an electron and can easily slip between the atoms that make up the shield regardless of the size of the atom or length of the lattice chains.

Now take that a step further and ask yourself does AB effect and associated spin curl occur on the surface of conductors as well as inductors and does that account for the right thumb rule? Me thinks it does and explains current at a nice simple level. Ironic that half a spin curl wave looks exactly like a current in a river isn't it?

A spin curl is really two waves like two tornadoes tip to tip - one north negative and one south positive. (Look at a black hole photo from Hubble)  If you assume that one side of the spin curl dips into the wire and the other side is above the surface, then that would explain why a superconductor works. Since the metal's lattice is very dense, half the wave can't sink into the conductor and so the charge carrier flows freely on the surface and no friction is produced. It also explains right thumb rule for current flow.

The reason that the spin curl is not persistent on a non-superconducting conductor is one side of the wave is below the surface of the copper and is instantly destroyed upon cessation of voltage flow and you can't have a ying without a yang.

I will add to that that reason the spin curl develops is that all mass is spinning. When you divide a particle which is what AB effect is, the two halves will never be equal in their new spin rate, velocity, direction or size. Due to the gravity and magnetic fields of the particle pieces and the fact that they fit together like a lock and key they come back together on the other side of the dividing particle.

Now since they are not spinning equally they need time to sync and reform, this is what produces the persistence. It is also the reason that it is said that all quarks or pieces of a quark have a unique personality.

However, just like throwing a snowball at the blade of a knife, some of that snowball will stick to the knife and some of it will splatter. The splatter is cold electricity but it is not being formed using AB effect per se in an arc, it is being done through fusion in an electrical arc. If your body becomes the FE core, and your blood is filled with iron, the iron in your blood becomes the dividing magnetic particle of the core and you just got electrocuted at a cellular level.

Voltage and current flow speed - Voltage is caused by the two parts slapping back together at the pressure of the universe with is the speed of light. Current flow is less than 1 meter per minute due to spin curl persistence. Until the particle reforms, it is not going anywhere in a hurry. Since it can't be well shielded this also means that the magnet also can't have much action on it at a distance.

Now take that and have a look at the double slit experiment. Suddenly every behavior of that experiment is explainable and predictable and the subject of quantum science is relegated to the trash can. Quarks are quarks and it matters not if they are electrons, photons, etc.

Static electricity - Just little pieces of particles that have a balanced or weak magnetic charge. I think of it as quantum dust. You can recombine the pieces back into heavier particles using a magnet - see methernitha. Note that the two halves of the coils are connected at the top. The reverse of AB effect? Notice how the Methernitha state that the static is recirculated around the device to make the current heavier? :)

Sparks claimed that their was 1 ma of current in a 1st orbit electron. I suspect that number flawed  but have not done the math yet. I tried to get him to do part of it for me to no avail. F'ing worthless homo Wilby went and pissed everyone off.

Anyway - those are the high points and things like Aether, spin curl, current direction, current and voltage speed all start to make sense. Oh yeah.. the fuel source and conversion of true OU free energy devices too.

Hope that post is understandable. It is the first time I have shared that info. or tried to put it into words. Look at the original AB experiment for better understanding. I played with the experiment 10 years ago after stumbling across a paper of AB effect. (Electron stream, two reflectors, brass mesh, solonoid coil, wedge shaped magnet)

The info. is way over most peoples heads and those that could understand it would have to let go of a bunch of belief that they paid lots of money to get in college. Finding people smart or sane enough to discuss it is difficult so I have always kept it to myself.

Conversely, if I try and discuss this type of info. on a physics forum, I get banned by the educated magical thinkers because nobody has told them it is OK to believe this information through peer review. Peer review is all about suppression. So I am stuck, living in reality mostly alone but that beats the hell out of the alternative of being one of them any day!

The sane persons thought filter:
1.Knowledge is experience.
2. There are things that I know and things that I do not know.
3. I don't know what I don't know.

Use the mathematical law of probability to derive truth. When so many pieces begin to fit, it is probably true.

The experiments have been done. The devices have been invented and built. The science papers have been written and peer reviewed by some of the smartest people in history like David Bohm and Maxwell. All you have to do is connect the dots.

People like Wilby are so focused on hiding their insecurity they don't know that there are dots out there to connect and they are not here to do that anyway. He is here to false try and affirm to himself he is not an insecure moron. A lifetime of hyperfocus on his hiding his insecurity meant he missed learning a whole bunch of things out here in reality.

It is a character flaw that occurs when it matters more to him what other people think of him than he does of himself even though he uses deception to attempt to fool others. The problem is that the only people he fools are other people like him. That is what produces the mob mentality that stupid people exhibit and the reason they will gang up on others in packs. It is all based in insecurity. Got tiny man junk?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 09, 2010, 10:08:59 AM
     The only law I see that appears to remain in tact is the conservation of inertia.  I just dont see mass in motion suddenly altering its mass in motion parameters without conveyance of something to other mass in motion.  We really dont have to go messing around with the weak and strong particle binding forces to warm up a cup of coffee or air in an engine.  By the same token we dont have to contiously repeat the same chemical reactions over and over and over again exploiting natural rescources.  There are a whole shitload of processes which can exploit "ionizing" frequencies.  I have also gained the ability to take low frequency and changing it into higher frequency.  Quite high.  It was quite simple I pulled a flyback transformer out of a TV and the xrays magically appeared from a 60hertz scource.  I also pulled the tube out of a fleamarket microwave and although not recognized as an ionizing frequency is enough to get some interesting results turning water into a highly excited state which again appeared to be emitting secondary ionizing frequencies.  As far as I know there is no regulations regarding the use of flyback transformers and magnetrons to ionize gases.  And I dont feel it is necessary to go much beyond the classical model of the atom to proove where the extra juice is coming from.  And I wont be writing a paper for any peer review because I really dont give a fuck about these peoples opinions.    I dont know at what level of ionizing frequency generation the atomic regulatory authorities (can you imagine a group of people that are running around saying who can and who can not use atoms ???)  fines and or imprisons you for such action but I am sure there is a law regulation or mandate by one group or another governing the use of modified sunshine to heat coffee and air.  These deadly ionizing frequencies that can cause all sorts of dna gene mutations are generated in every mitochondria in every cell of our bodies and every oxidation process known to man but they are licensed for use now by people that own the electromagnetic wave spectrum in order that taxes be paid and other forms of tribute to the people that bought the electromagnetic wave spectrum from the electromagnetic wave spectrum vendors.  Well Im rambling but in the Bohr model the electron appears to have some orbital momentum.  This orbital momentum in a 1s orbital is the equivalent of one milliamp.  I dont know how many newtons because I am more an electrician than a wieghts and measure guy.  "Conductors" pretty much suck at being milliamp scources as their electron clouds mask the electron buzz saws in the lower orbitals.  Hydrogen on the other hand is not hampered by an over abundance of electron fog.  When hydrogen 1s orbital electrons are ionized this milliamp of current can be used to generate ionizing frequencies.  These ionizing frequencies you guessed it ionize more hydrogen and pretty soon things warm up.  At the expense of other things  the parent atoms the ones that are heavy and old cool down.  They are lighter but colder.  Why are they colder because they dont have a milliamp of induction current heating them.  These ions can be made to go up while the electrons are made to deaccelerate at various rates into a host of materials including aluminum foils various gasses all sorts of end user devices like lightbulbs heating elements electric motor coils all of which operate at low frequency high current.  The inertia of the electrons in the donar mass is converted to the inertia of the electrons in the fucking wire that disrupts the magnetic field that makes such magical effects as magnetic induction.  The motion in one system is induced in the motion of a second system.  A child could understand it in fact my child understood it and brought me a plasma lamp and said Dad I think this has the right gas in it. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 01:13:05 PM


                                 Gemtlemen
                                    Quote:
                  "A child could understand it "
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                                Thank you!


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 05:06:22 PM
Sigma16, Here are some thoughts on electricity and free energy. You may be one of the few around here that could understand it.

Got it. Thanks much.

Everyone is familiar with the equation F=ma, but ask them to determine the kinetic energy of an accelerating mass and watch their forehead wrinkle.  We are taught to think in terms of forces, not energy (potential or kinetic).




Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 06:39:19 PM
F-MA only works until you accelerate the mass, then it no longer applies. Until all "laws" of physics have a C2 function where applicable, we are never going to have anything accurate or relative.

Maybe it should have been written F=MA2
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 07:16:18 PM
If you don't think what I shared in that lengthy post isn't being suppressed here is probably some proof:


Look at the summary page image I posted and compare that to this version I just found in google docs.

EDIT - (Fixed link)

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://hvar05.ifs.hr/conference/slides/Rosch.pdf

EDIT

NOTICE HOW THE SECTION THAT READS
• Aharonov-Bohm oscillations (magn. fields), universal
conductance fluctuations, persistent currents, ….

HAS BEEN REMOVED? COMPARE THE TWO PAPERS. WAS IT WAS ALL "PEER REVIEWED" OUT OF THE PAPER?

That is to keep people from understanding what electricity is in order to suppress the creation of free energy devices. Without that knowledge, you have a EM model that a child can understand but children can't be trusted with truth or free energy devices. 7 of the 28 original pages were removed.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 07:59:01 PM
Quarktoo
So you bring us [the world] a Gem!
Perhaps those 7missing pages should get extra attention!

I must say,for someone that never put these thoughts to print before ,you certainly explained this with "amazing"coherence!

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 08:56:36 PM
Quarktoo
So you bring us [the world] a Gem!
Perhaps those 7missing pages should get extra attention!

I must say,for someone that never put these thoughts to print before ,you certainly explained this with "amazing"coherence!

Chet

Thank you for the lubrication Chet. Would you happen to be wearing a plaid miniskirt that is making a buzzing sound right about now? Sorry for The Buzz kill but old habits die hard.

Rather than use that centering button, (lousy gimmick) you might consider writing cheers.

Quarktoo Quarktoo he's got stuff
piss him off and he gets ruff. Yeaaaahhh!

...or how about this one...

cold electricity, what's it all about
another red herring or a rainbow trout. Yeaaaahhh!

... or my personal favorite....

espionage espionage that's my game
I inject lubrication into your brain. Yeaaaahhh!

The three things intel offers and in this order are:

1. Lubrication.
2. ssex.
3. Money.

I don't need the lubrication, I like the friction against my "big head" but send me a hot ass monarch beta with 50K in her back pocket and I will build you a simple little OU device you can patent around and block. You are just wasting Israeli tax dollars on KY jelly.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
What didn't Qtoo get his nappy time?

I for got what happens when you play with fire!

Still funny though!

even when your a scumbag you still make me laugh!


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
What didn't Qtoo get his nappy time?

I for got what happens when you play with fire!

Still funny though!

even when your a scumbag you still make me laugh!

Baiting you into calling me a scumbag makes me laugh harder than you could imagine. Gotcha!

Now that we are both happy, maybe you could send my offer through proper channels and see if it floats? You can replace the Monarch BETA with a check in my mailbox from a Chinese laundry in San Fransisco.

5 years ago my offer was 100K to stop research and posting info. Nobody probably ever thought of skipping the useless "take it market part" and just skip to the "get paid off part". Work smart not hard is my attitude.

For what they pay you for a year they could pay me off twice. I have other interests these days that could be marketed. The spin offs of some of this stuff are endless.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
Yah know the saddest part about all this paranoia shit?
It really seems to work with some peeps!
I guess that's your cross to bear !

I was wondering where all the Israeli news and tax shit was coming from.
Is this paronoia brought on by a proximity to the negroelectraphobia virus?

Or is it just a really good excuse to not put the cards on the table or actually do ANYTHING Open source?

Sad ,but your still a peach!

Well I was hoping you'd share more before you bailed this time!
But here it is, Its my email address![and my real name]
chetkremens@gmail.com
Send me anything that brings home the bacon!
It will be on these threads in a heartbeat
End of story!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 10:02:02 PM
...just skip to the "get paid off part". Work smart not hard is my attitude.

Jerry Maguire: Yeah, what, what, what can I do for you, Rod? You just tell me what can I do for you?
Rod Tidwell: It's a very personal, a very important thing. Hell, it's a family motto. Are you ready, Jerry?
Jerry Maguire: I'm ready.
Rod Tidwell: I wanna make sure you're ready, brother. Here it is: Show me the money. Oh-ho-ho! SHOW! ME! THE! MONEY! A-ha-ha! Jerry, doesn't it make you feel good just to say that! Say it with me one time, Jerry.
Jerry Maguire: Show you the money.

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 10:06:43 PM
my real name

Last name origins & meanings:

Czech (Křemen) and Slovak Kremeň: nickname for a hard man, from Czech křemen ‘quartz’, ‘flint’, of proverbial hardness.
Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): ornamental name or metonymic occupational name from Ukrainian kremin ‘pebble’, ‘flint’ (Russian kremen).

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 10:11:52 PM
Its actually Polish Bud!
And my boys are old enough to fight and die in these stupid "Fuel"wars.
If I all do in this world is help to change that ,So be it!
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 10:33:57 PM
Its actually Polish Bud!
And my boys are old enough to fight and die in these stupid "Fuel"wars.
If I all do in this world is help to change that ,So be it!
Chetkremens@gmail.com

Why the userame "ramset"?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
Its how I made my living In NYC
Selling the Guns that shot  together steel and concrete,
"Ramset" guns,
Any other questions?
Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 09, 2010, 11:11:12 PM
Any other questions?
Chet

A wealth of information has been dumped across this forum.

What do you do with it?  I don't see that you ever build and experiment.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 11:16:52 PM
Shame on me then!
I'm trying to do something about that,I don't work in the
Field and only recently have grown to understand enough that I could experiment and actually learn/do something.

This post by The guy with the big head is more of what we need around here
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Sigma16, Here are some thoughts on electricity and free energy. You may be one of the few around here that could understand it.

I found a paper relating to our PM's on this subject earlier today - I may have given you this paper in the past but it explains why the current appears in the core.  I didn't bring this up as I have over 10MB of science papers on my computer and was not sure I would be able to find this one.

The emission people call cold electricity is the splatter that occurs during the initiation of AB effect in the FE when the particle pieces clap back together. The particle is slapped back together with the speed and pressure of the universe and is where acceleration / cavitation / electron cascade takes place. (BETA emission) It is also what creates voltage and moves it at the speed of light.

While the mass or larger quarks are still probably present and reform, their mass is reduced and proof of that is action at a distance. You can't have it without mass in between.

The image below is the last page, do you have this paper? NOTE the orange outlined area. I don't want to upload the paper since I may have purchased it and it is copyrighted. PM me an email and I will send you my copy. I think I alluded to the AB effect in an early post on this cold electricity subject.

Understanding that AB effect opens the door to understanding electricity itself which most have no clue about and is often referred to as a phenomenon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_phenomena

Below is reason that I make the claim that electricity itself is mass to atomic energy conversion. Accelerate it to the next higher order and OU is possible. What is an order? Electrons flow down a copper wire at less than 1 meter per minute. E=MC2 is the equation. Move that electron at just under two meters per minute and you get to roughly square the energy output.

When you stop and think about it, you would need a particle smaller than an electron to shield a spin curl wave since the aether vortex is made of particles much smaller than an electron and can easily slip between the atoms that make up the shield regardless of the size of the atom or length of the lattice chains.

Now take that a step further and ask yourself does AB effect and associated spin curl occur on the surface of conductors as well as inductors and does that account for the right thumb rule? Me thinks it does and explains current at a nice simple level. Ironic that half a spin curl wave looks exactly like a current in a river isn't it?

A spin curl is really two waves like two tornadoes tip to tip - one north negative and one south positive. (Look at a black hole photo from Hubble)  If you assume that one side of the spin curl dips into the wire and the other side is above the surface, then that would explain why a superconductor works. Since the metal's lattice is very dense, half the wave can't sink into the conductor and so the charge carrier flows freely on the surface and no friction is produced. It also explains right thumb rule for current flow.

The reason that the spin curl is not persistent on a non-superconducting conductor is one side of the wave is below the surface of the copper and is instantly destroyed upon cessation of voltage flow and you can't have a ying without a yang.

I will add to that that reason the spin curl develops is that all mass is spinning. When you divide a particle which is what AB effect is, the two halves will never be equal in their new spin rate, velocity, direction or size. Due to the gravity and magnetic fields of the particle pieces and the fact that they fit together like a lock and key they come back together on the other side of the dividing particle.

Now since they are not spinning equally they need time to sync and reform, this is what produces the persistence. It is also the reason that it is said that all quarks or pieces of a quark have a unique personality.

However, just like throwing a snowball at the blade of a knife, some of that snowball will stick to the knife and some of it will splatter. The splatter is cold electricity but it is not being formed using AB effect per se in an arc, it is being done through fusion in an electrical arc. If your body becomes the FE core, and your blood is filled with iron, the iron in your blood becomes the dividing magnetic particle of the core and you just got electrocuted at a cellular level.

Voltage and current flow speed - Voltage is caused by the two parts slapping back together at the pressure of the universe with is the speed of light. Current flow is less than 1 meter per minute due to spin curl persistence. Until the particle reforms, it is not going anywhere in a hurry. Since it can't be well shielded this also means that the magnet also can't have much action on it at a distance.

Now take that and have a look at the double slit experiment. Suddenly every behavior of that experiment is explainable and predictable and the subject of quantum science is relegated to the trash can. Quarks are quarks and it matters not if they are electrons, photons, etc.

Static electricity - Just little pieces of particles that have a balanced or weak magnetic charge. I think of it as quantum dust. You can recombine the pieces back into heavier particles using a magnet - see methernitha. Note that the two halves of the coils are connected at the top. The reverse of AB effect? Notice how the Methernitha state that the static is recirculated around the device to make the current heavier?

Sparks claimed that their was 1 ma of current in a 1st orbit electron. I suspect that number flawed  but have not done the math yet. I tried to get him to do part of it for me to no avail. F'ing worthless homo Wilby went and pissed everyone off.

Anyway - those are the high points and things like Aether, spin curl, current direction, current and voltage speed all start to make sense. Oh yeah.. the fuel source and conversion of true OU free energy devices too.

Hope that post is understandable. It is the first time I have shared that info. or tried to put it into words. Look at the original AB experiment for better understanding. I played with the experiment 10 years ago after stumbling across a paper of AB effect. (Electron stream, two reflectors, brass mesh, solonoid coil, wedge shaped magnet)

The info. is way over most peoples heads and those that could understand it would have to let go of a bunch of belief that they paid lots of money to get in college. Finding people smart or sane enough to discuss it is difficult so I have always kept it to myself.

Conversely, if I try and discuss this type of info. on a physics forum, I get banned by the educated magical thinkers because nobody has told them it is OK to believe this information through peer review. Peer review is all about suppression. So I am stuck, living in reality mostly alone but that beats the hell out of the alternative of being one of them any day!

The sane persons thought filter:
1.Knowledge is experience.
2. There are things that I know and things that I do not know.
3. I don't know what I don't know.

Use the mathematical law of probability to derive truth. When so many pieces begin to fit, it is probably true.

The experiments have been done. The devices have been invented and built. The science papers have been written and peer reviewed by some of the smartest people in history like David Bohm and Maxwell. All you have to do is connect the dots.

People like Wilby are so focused on hiding their insecurity they don't know that there are dots out there to connect and they are not here to do that anyway. He is here to false try and affirm to himself he is not an insecure moron. A lifetime of hyperfocus on his hiding his insecurity meant he missed learning a whole bunch of things out here in reality.

It is a character flaw that occurs when it matters more to him what other people think of him than he does of himself even though he uses deception to attempt to fool others. The problem is that the only people he fools are other people like him. That is what produces the mob mentality that stupid people exhibit and the reason they will gang up on others in packs. It is all based in insecurity. Got tiny man junk?
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Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 11:18:40 PM
Here is some of what I have read on the subject. The 13th tribe has a lot of info. on this subject which has nothing to do with free energy.

The AshkeNAZI jews are not semites. They were phallic worshipers from the region of Georgia. Around the year 700 AD their king grew tired of the incest and chose at random from the three great religions. Judaism won and he brought in rabbis to convert them.

From there they migrated to Germany,  Poland and Hungary (around 100,000 people). After WWII which was actually started by them and funded by Ashkenazi Zionist Jews from around the world, they migrated to Palestine and formed Israel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

It appears the Jews, gypsies and blacks were placed in the labor camps to sort them out and kill the non Jews and purify the Ashkenazi race. The Jews didn't die in large numbers until the end of the war after the US bombed the supply lines and they starved.

Some say they were placed in the camps to keep them out of the war and safe since they were paid and have everything from entertainment to  wwhore houses.

At a big picture level, some claim that creation of the state of Israel was the objective behind WWI and WWII and in order to do that Germany had to be taken down to break the military alliance between Germany and Turkey who controlled Palestine.

One thing that is for certain is the Bush family lost their assets under the trading with the enemy act and the money was returned after the war.

So like any war, an inside job started by a terrorist act of attacking themselves by a tiny group of people that have no borders.

The Red Cross documented 271,000 Jews died during WWII. The 6 million stuff didn't start to circulate until around 1962 and was propaganda used after WWI according to people knowledgeable on the subject.

What is true has been so blurred by propaganda and lies that it is difficult to prove anything.

Odd that most people don't know that the Bush family working under Rockafeller, funded Hitler and built 6 labor camps during WWII. That should give you an idea of how much power they have had in the US since zionism was founded in 1898.

Here in the US they dominate most segments of society such as medicine, banking, legal system, medical system, etc. Once they formed the Federal reserve, they were able to inflate money and control anything. The IRS is also a private corporation owned by them and registered in Peurto Rico. It is the collection arm of Rothschild's bank.

Dr. Fishbaine who owned all shares in the corporation called the american medical association (AMA), sued many of the inventors of cures for disease until they gave up or were murdered. One of those people was Dr. Royal Raymond Rife who used cold electricity to cure nearly all disease.

http://www.rife.org/

It can be accurately stated that nobody has murdered more people for money and race in history then the AMA. That includes all wars combined.

Dr. Yale and others replicated the work of Rife who was a true genius. Rife found that by shattering quarks, be could refract them off a object as small as a virus and magnify optically over 400,000 times. Normally you would be limited to 2000X due to the fact that the light wave is larger than what you are trying to refract it off of. (Abby limit)

Rife then recombined the unique personalities of the quark fragments in a prismatic lens system which is the optical equivalent of photonic AB effect. I alluded to this in my previous lengthy post regarding double slit experiment.

To combine all Jews into one lump is racist and wrong. You will never defeat the enemy of humanity by becoming the enemy of humanity. In the end, if your love or is greater than your fear, you will go forth and multiply and at the end of the 4th root race, the love of the gentile has dwarfed the fear of the Jews.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 09, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
Why the userame "ramset"?

It is a nautical term used to set a cannonball in a ships cannon. He is part of the mossad crew that chose nautical terms as names. Intel loves their little riddles.

Ramset lubricates and then others show up to irritate. In the process of this push pull, they get you to spill what you know so they can determine if you should be suppressed.

Ramset has no clue what I know but he does enjoy my humor and as long as he is pleasant, I enjoy making him laugh. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him but that would be true of anybody I find here. He will stab you in the back in a New York Second but then he is a New York Jew originally but claims he moved to Connecticut.

Trust me, I don't take anything here personally and could not care what his race or religion is or who he is working for. You are all spooks to me.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 09, 2010, 11:44:31 PM
Well I suppose my catholic grandparents are spinning in their graves,
That being said ,It doesn't really matter what an anonymous poster has to say about another man and his family ,
What matters here is not how big your mouth is or how big your head is,
Its are you here to share anything productive ?
Or are you just bored?
Can you help? or hinder!




Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 12:11:03 AM
Well I suppose my catholic grandparents are spinning in their graves,
That being said ,It doesn't really matter what an anonymous poster has to say about another man and his family ,
What matters here is not how big your mouth is or how big your head is,
Its are you here to share anything productive ?
Or are you just bored?
Can you help? or hinder!

Chet

The question you should ask yourself is WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT HAVE I BUILT? WHAT HAVE I DISCLOSED?

The reality is, little or nothing so are you just bored or working for someone? The proof is in the pudding. I have disclosed much here over the years and people are figuring it out. Build something Ramset.

One of things people are figuring out is that online in a public forum is not the way to get there. People have figured out Meyer and have far more information about that subject than you could imagine in your wildest dreams. They don't disclose in public because  nobody likes being ruffed up by morons and spooks.

I am bored now and so I am going to go do what I usually do and that is feed squirrels in the back yard and water the plants.

Then at some point, I will write a nice detailed PDF on electricity complete with colorful illustrations that even a child can understand and upload to this site. If you can understand what is in the PDF, you can replicate a safe free energy device using a technique that I will disclose in detail.

The 50K (and that would be AFTER taxes) would of course stop that since I am morally bankrupt and need the cash. I have other interests these days.

War gets rid of stupid people and we are swamped by them. They all volunteer to fight so let them. Nobody is going to tolerate a draft in the US as that will trigger a revolution by 300 million angry people armed to the teeth.

Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 10, 2010, 12:14:57 AM
Interesting...

I recall something about "when confronted with truth, ignore it and keep pressing".

I thought that that sect was interested in actually garnering the tech for defense - silly me.

The funny thing is that I described the coil in enough detail to build it, and the final device as well.  Not even a peep about that.  Interesting...

Man.  We got NSA here, MOSSAD, and various others from across the European Nations.  It's a big spook stew.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
Quarktoo
Shine the light!,the roaches will scurry!
I love yah man!
Chetkremens@gmail.com
PS
As far as "Its everywhere"[the knowledge of OU]
I sincerely believe Tesla felt the same way over one hundred years ago!

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 12:23:49 AM
Interesting...

I recall something about "when confronted with truth, ignore it and keep pressing".

I thought that that sect was interested in actually garnering the tech for defense - silly me.

The funny thing is that I described the coil in enough detail to build it, and the final device as well.  Not even a peep about that.  Interesting...

Man.  We got NSA here, MOSSAD, and various others from across the European Nations.  It's a big spook stew.

Better known as a circle jerk..

Tell you Ramset, I was on my way out the door and thought that poor guy, I just outed him and he is only serving his evil masters to make a buck.

I'll throw you a bone:

Joe Leedskalnin showed how to lock a a spin curl in place.

Marinov showed how to make a perpetual mobile out of it.

Ron Hubbard showed how to use it to generate electricity.

Here is your bone - Both Hubbard and Marinov used the acceleration on an electric arc to activate the coil.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 12:27:19 AM
Go feed the squirrels,
Don't feed them bones they'll turn up their noses!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 10, 2010, 12:44:50 AM
Better known as a circle jerk..

Tell you Ramset, I was on my way out the door and thought that poor guy, I just outed him and he is only serving his evil masters to make a buck.

I'll throw you a bone:

Joe Leedskalnin showed how to lock a a spin curl in place.

Marinov showed how to make a perpetual mobile out of it.

Ron Hubbard showed how to use it to generate electricity.

Here is your bone - Both Hubbard and Marinov used the acceleration on an electric arc to activate the coil.

Ed Leedskalnin?  Joe who?

Marinov also got himself killed over that "desktop pulsar".

------------------------------------------------------

Considering the Lions are at the Gate, what can a lone person do to support freedom? 

Post a working device anonymously?

Keep hinting and hoping?

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 01:08:33 AM
What can one man do?

If you can do this


"                                                                                             ""
Then at some point, I will write a nice detailed PDF on electricity complete with colorful illustrations that even a child can understand and upload to this site. If you can understand what is in the PDF, you can replicate a safe free energy device using a technique that I will disclose in detail.
---------------------------------
Then you will no longer be "Just One Man"!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 03:12:26 AM
What can one man do?

If you can do this


"                                                                                             ""
Then at some point, I will write a nice detailed PDF on electricity complete with colorful illustrations that even a child can understand and upload to this site. If you can understand what is in the PDF, you can replicate a safe free energy device using a technique that I will disclose in detail.
---------------------------------
Then you will no longer be "Just One Man"!

I am already more than just one man - I have multiple personality disorder. Remember?

...or as I like to say "Why multitask when you can multi-personality!" - Best proclaimed with a southern accent or some other accent you find silly.

Dr. Randall Mills showed how hydrogen atoms can be reduced to atoms or particles smaller than H1 which he calls hydrinos.

We know that all atoms of a given element do not contain the same amount of energy. The mass converted into potential energy through AB effect does not consume whole electrons but just a small number of particles ranging in size of a few plank units.

So one could make the claim that it does not destroy the mass and sort of be correct but it does reduce the mass. The amount of reduction is so small it is immeasurable or as Einstein stated "Not everything that counts is countable"

This is why people wrongly assume that electricity is not mass to atomic energy conversion. Inventors are careful to avoid terms like accelerator or mass to atomic energy conversion since it now falls under the illegal national security laws set up to protect oil companies.

Thane Heins was asked in his thread if core mass is reduced. Notice how DOE and NASA bought copies of the motor? It is much cheaper for the oil companies to use the peoples money and corrupted government to suppress the OU devices even though Thane's device poses ZERO public risk.

What can one man do? Quit working for the people's worst enemies. That goes for all of you. They are powerless without their lackeys and thugs.

National defense is a ruse. Governments are created to protect the ultra wealthy and they use the dumbest people on Earth as their thugs. That is why you can legally be denied employment as a cop if you have an IQ over 109. Smart people don't have integrity issues and they need thugs on the street, not justice.

Ironically, the biggest threat to any nation is its own military industrial complex, military and government.

If you want peace, work for justice. If you want energy equality and security, build something.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 10, 2010, 03:19:36 AM
For childrensake.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 03:43:23 AM


Holy Crap,
Its like a Captain Kangaroo PDF!!
Sparks you made me laugh so hard ,
"i" almost thru up!!

Very Good!!
Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 04:51:25 AM
So Sparky...

You are stating for the record that cold electricity is electron puke?... or would that be a hydrino?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 05:04:03 AM
O.K. I'm back from testing your claims and was not able to replicate.

My experiment:

I am like a negatively charged electron. Very negative! - ask anyone.

My home is my nucleus, the center of my world and is filled with the positive energy of my wife. I am orbiting around the house all day as I am unemployed these days.

I ate a bagel for dinner in my kitchen which is a bit over lighted as the guy we bought the house from was a gay chef.

Next, I went over to my neighbors house who is a real asshole since he lets his dog out to crap on my lawn every morning. I puked the photon filled bagel up on the hood of my neighbors new sports car and ran back home.

The vomit did not emit any light. FAIL!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 10, 2010, 06:48:25 AM
   After reading the lecture to the class the teachers book has an appendix for class experiments; 
The children are instructed to bring in a large amount of their sweetest candy and a blindfold.  The desks are moved into a  circle which represents the magneitc field.  The kids eat the candy at the end of the lecture while they move their desks.  They then all halve crazed from the sugar rush put on the blindfolds and are positioned at various places by the teacher.  When he says go all the kids are instructed to run as fast as they can in the direction they are facing.  The whole process turns into a sugar fueled rumble until all the childrentrons are no longer excited but are all lieing aound on the floor drenched in stomach acids and various food dyes added to candy to make it more exciiting to eat.
   Teachers are warned not to employ this exercise before checking their tenure statis.  School board officials dont take kindly to listening to 50 or 60 concerned parents rant and rage as to the competency and sanity of a science teacher employing such methods of teaching.  I betya the kids will go home for weeks afterward with their mouths open facing the Sun injesting infrared photons.
   @Quarktoo

   Been there done that.  Now I landed a job getting paid the money I made when I was 18years old.  Close to 40years ago when you could get 5hamburgers for a buck.  Old McDonald had a farm and not a food processing network.  And telephones were a convenience not a lifestyle.  The wife wasnt too impressed with my mid to end of life crisis since this high paying job is 1200 miles from home and she is working two jobs back in the hood.  Not even sure were married at this point but definitely seperated physically and spiritually.  The house got sold for less than we bought it for 10years ago and I am living in a gated trailor park (this place is ridiculous.  If you have to rob to make a living are you going to go to a trailer park so you can pawn miny stuff people who sell trailers catering to womens deep desire to live in their childhood doll houses pack into mobile living units)  after dumping the house and the BMW in lieu of foreclosure and repocession.  I hope whoever pulled these strings chokes on the  he is sucking.  The big one he doesnt even know or care is stuck in his mouth and jiggling his eye balls so he cant see the light. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 09:25:58 AM
HHMMmmm........
Very strange at times this thing we call "Life",
Things have changed "Big Time" for me in the last year!
One thing that "rings" true to me,
"I could live anywhere in the universe but I chose to live in you"
No religion !No Building!
ME................. YOU.......................

And I believe these words!!

I see things differently now!!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 09:42:59 AM
Hey loner,

I think that was one of the better posts I have ever read. You clearly have thought integrity and the logic, reason and accountability that goes with that. I have no problem with someone calling me on my bullshit and value that more than 1000 cheer leaders. I get nothing for the cheer leading and the push back keeps me sane and is the other half of collaboration that advances thought.

I intentionally throw stuff out hoping that people will find the flaw. I never respect a believer that just takes my word for it. I get nothing for that.

I have a bunch of stuff people have not seen and would share it with you any day. You have the right attitude. I wish you lived next door. Anyway before I get started, Thanks again!

The power outage was just something that happened and you failed to explore a spiritual possibility. I have perfectly documented experiences that I would not share here that prove these things happen and for a reason. But who knows?

In order for something to get colder, it has to lose energy. (Bohr model of atom) This works in any mass in any state regardless of whether we are looking at freon in an air conditioner or mass of an electronic circuit.

I have been pretty clear all the way through that I don't claim to know much about cold electricity. If fact, since I have not played with it and only read other peoples accounts, I don't know anything about it. Knowledge is experience.

Here is some info. that you may find interesting:
I saw a Russian video where they connected a spider web to a single electrode on a light bulb and the other end to a cold electricity source. The bulb was being held in the had of a scientist.

Protons will not flow through a solid, only a liquid or gas. Conversely, electrons won't flow down an organic spider web or string.

So if the video was real, some sort of static field was probably flowing. Static electricity is cold. An ionic breeze is a no current high voltage and a Whimhurst machine produces a cold breeze between electrodes.

Voltage flows toward the cathode and so logically, one would deduce that electrons are coming from the light bulb and voltage is flowing to it. No? Voltage is cold and current is hot and that is pretty carved in stone.

Now if the current or electron energy and I don't think in terms of point particle physics, rather a wave(s) compress energy into a particle, the wave would have to be distorted.

Now since current is mass, and cold electricity is massless or the mass is self canceling in some way (unpolorized), then we could have a look at a photon to try and understand the process.

What a photon is, is highly disputed but I will throw my version into the ring.

A photon is (was) an electron but instead of spinning in a single direction, it is spinning in two directions like a curve ball. Imagine the earth spinning on its normal axis but now ALSO spin it on an equatorial axis.

Gyroscopic precession will now be present and the Earth will exibit torque upon on itself between the two axis of spin. If the two spins are equal and the mass is round the two torques will alternate back and forth at a 50% duty cycle and give us one a light wave at frequency A. If the two spins are not equal, then we get a different light wave at frequency B.

Why does the photon emit light? Because the two torques acting against each other consumes energy and mass losing energy emits light. This is also why a light wave moves in a zig zag motion. It is also why a photon is nearly massless. It is consuming its own gravity.

So we look at sparks cartoon adn ask why does the photon attract to the electron? Because the photon is losing or emitting energy and the electron is a negative charge.

Electrons are clingy little things and just as sparks stated, when they strike an object, the bond is broken and the electron goes back to the nearest atom that needs one since they don't just hand around anymore than a magnet just hangs around in a pile of nails without attracting some nails.

Now so far most everything I have stated is logical and or experimentally provable.

Next we look at what an electron is. Particle physics has many models. One thing that we are sure of is that for every particle, there is an anti particle.

The ancients knew of the anti particle and that is what the ying yang represents. It is made of two waves and the particle is formed in the middle where the two wave overlap and cup energy. A black hole has a ying and a yang and mass is created where the two tips come together spinning in opposite directions to twist energy into mass.

(Posting this on a physics forum got me banned as a crackpot) :) Fuck em! They can live in their willful ignorance forever!

If you want to look at a model of a photon, look at a photo of the Milky Way. Nature creates using fractals. As above, as below.

http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/images/Milky_Way_galaxy_sun05.jpg

Notice how the galaxy is spinning in two directions? The central core is spinning 90 degrees to the outer axis? If that were not the case, the universe would be super dooper flat. :)

So now we have to ask ourselves what is cold electricity again? Well look at the coil that he is using to produce it. Notice how the electrons are being spun in two directions? If he were to build his coils slightly different and balance it, he would have it nailed since there would be zero current flow and yet the light which is the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, would be able to flow.

So far everything is logical and can be or has been proven.

So cold electricity has to be light and that photon has to be spinning in such a way that it is not like a photon that we are used to. You see you can spin a ball on a third axis. The light is a force carrier that sinks mass would be my best guess. But wait! There is a third axis and that is the right thumb rule of an electron flowing down copper.

As the light pushes the spin curl, it is exactly like if you were to push a toy spinning top. When you tip the top to one side, the Side of the edge gives it a slight movement sideways. That is what causes right thumb rule.

If he used silver wire and balanced the coils he would probably have it nailed perfectly. I could probably write more about all this and write it better but again, I have zero interest in the subject. Im just here to be lubricated by Ramset. Proof I don't have a life.

I am not sure if you understand what I just wrote because I suck at explaining things but it all makes logical sense.

I offered to help dole but he didn't respond. That is ok by me as I have anti interest in cold electricity.

I intentionally throw stuff out there that I know is wrong or don't believe to see if people will push back. Usually they don't and so I feel they don't deserve to know what I really think.

You on other truly do seem to have a functioning brain and integrity so I will throw you another bone that has been discussed a lot in this forum and that is Meyer info.

MEYER INFO:
-------------------------------------------------------------

Some time back a buddy gave me high res photos of Meyer's circuit boards from the inside of the white box on the dune buggy and the circuit board from inside the alternator. I was able to make a complete schematic of Meyer's fracture generator and alternator as the photos were perfect.

What it taught me was what Stan was NOT doing. There was nothing too special there and so I looked further into what he WAS doing and how he was doing it.

Meyer used accelerators all the way through that dune buggy. The laser in the air gas processor, a process sparks just described in his cartoon, was only one of the accelerators.

If you look at fig. 10-4 of Meyer's notes, you see the word COMPOSITE to describe the wire. The SS wire had a coating of anther metal. One would jump to the conclusion that it was a copper coating but it would have been silver. Good luck finding that wire. It would have to be custom made and that will set off an alarm. The steel keeps half the spin curl from going too deep into the wire. (skin effect) Silver is the most conductive and the oxides are very loose and abundant charge carriers.

Similar to how the photon forces the electron to lose orbit, electrons move in a straight line on silver. The electron builds up centrifugal force as it goes around the coil and is flung off the coil. The bifiler pancake wire attracts it and catches it as it is self inducting and acts like a trap and in the process the coil becomes an electron sump.

The resonance is important because an electron at resonance goes from its highest orbit (term used loosely) to its lowest. At its highest orbit, it has the weakest attraction to the nucleus of the atom and the weakest bond allows the photon to do its trick or the centrifugal force depending on the method used.

Example - When a basket ball reaches the top of its bounce, it weighs zero.

That and the ozone being used to attract the O atom from the water molecule are the parts of Meyer that people missed.

"Nobody ever thought of using an accelerator before" - Stan Meyer

How many years and how many hundreds of times have you seen that posted? :)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 10:08:25 AM
Well Q,
I bought the cavitation thing,seeing the little pistol shrimp made that easy!
I suppose that acceleration would be tide directly to cavitation!
Makes sence [even at 4 in the AM]
I always look to nature as the Urim and Thummin.

Perhaps the acceleration in wind can manifest a tornado?

Acceleration seems to make so many things possible.
Time? I believe time to be a big part of what can change [for usand the elements]] during a really good acceleration event!

Chet
Ps
On a happier note ,a buddy sent me this!
Give it to your Gay /liberal nieghbor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Oh I'm sure you Know this anyway!

 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 10:17:56 AM
Yep, a tornado is an accelerator.

Look at the base of a tornado. Notice how there are actually a bunch of little tornadoes around the base near the ground just outside of the funnel?

Now look at a hubbard coil...

I made a bunch of edits and corrections to that last long post so you may want to re-read it if you care. I usually do that since that little edit box is difficult for me to spot my mistakes.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 10, 2010, 10:20:50 AM
      Proof I guess is in the eye of the beholder unless the beholder is blind.  Then proof would be in the consious experience of what the beholder deems necessary to call it proven  We live in a gray world because between the forces of darkness trying to sequester consiousness and the forces of light trying to increase consiousness there is this gray zone.  It is said you can not serve two masters.  This is true but you can rule two masters. 
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 10:32:29 AM
I will add something to my photon diatribe to make it easier to understand or offer more proof of the model.

When an electron moves down a copper wire it is spinning in a particular direction, when it hits the tungsten filament, that changes since electrons flow in a straight line over steel and the electron tumbles. Poof! A photon is born.

Gas discharge - as electrons bounce through the mercury vapor, they develop multiple spin axis and poof! A photon is born.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 10, 2010, 11:00:01 AM
  Qarktoo

  I did find a probelm with your last post.  I heard tell that electrons in lower energy orbitals are excited by adsorbed photons.  Cold electricity is not an unexplained phenomenon by classical quantom mechanics.   As  mass goes one way currents go the other.  Almost like massive things displace all these unmassive things laying around all over the place where there is not massive stuff.  This unmassive stuff would have to be displaced in some manner if massive stuff tried to occupy the same spot.  I have this intuitive process that tells me if something isnt there it isnt there.  Like my paycheck.  It isnt there on monday but appears on friday.  It wasnt there and then suddenly it is.  This would require that the space my shitty paycheck takes up is void of mass that resembles anything that scatters photons like my shitty pay check does.  This space could be filled with some rich guys mazzerati or some other photon spitting mass but who knows.  It could just be some plasma construct's unwashed private area that the space in which my shitty pay check on friday appears.  I havent a clue what is in the space that my paycheck will appear in latter in the week right now but it would be great if this space spit an interference pattern of photons that appeared to my photon eater upppers and chemical computer as a 100 percent increase in pay.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 10, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
Holy Crap!

I have a couple of beers and all Hell breaks loose around here.  Luckily ... I don't give a shit.

Not all currents are particulate.  Everyone knows that Röntgen discovered X-rays.  He also proved that polarization current and displacement current are real as Maxwell predicted.   In the process, he verified that these forms of current do indeed produce a magnetic field just like a conduction current does in a wire.

Polarization currents propagate by a change in polarization of the medium that they propagate through.  If this medium is the vacuum of space, what is polarizing?

Displacement current occurs when you move the medium, be it a solid dielectric or whatever.  You can move it by increasing it's energy so that it bulges and shrinks or change it's location.

Rotate a magnet and it pulls the medium around with it.  Do this fast enough and you'll see what Marinov saw.  Try to show this at a public convention and fall of a stairway and die.

I don't believe that the mass of anything is converted, just that it pulls the energy into existence from the space around it.  After all, the energy is already there.  Now the spooks can piss off because it's not mass to energy conversion, the energy comes right out of my ass  - LOL!  However, the means to the end is the same for both models and it really doesn't matter.  No Nobels for this one.

EDIT:

Skipping forward so as to skip over the "how we get there part", "cold electricity" or "cold current" may be current that is induced in an insulating material by displaced medium or a spin curl wave.  Conduction current is induced in a conductor by the same means, so just like Tesla said, you can have both in varying proportions.  Like having your cake and eating it too.



Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 08:57:40 PM
So there your go Ramset, a little intelligence gathering lesson for you. If you really want to know what people think, just make a super long post filled with bullshit. People hate that!

Your statement  "I could live anywhere but I chose to live in you" is just latent Ashkenazi phallic homoerotic innuendo for "I want to live off of you like a parasite" or "I want to occupy your colon like a gay roundworm that finally made it to heaven"

Bottom line, you need a bigger better shtick to beat information out of a gentile.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 09:04:55 PM

Holy Crap!

Polarization currents propagate by a change in polarization of the medium that they propagate through.  If this medium is the vacuum of space, what is polarizing?

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\    OR    /////////////////////////////////////

I don't believe that the mass of anything is converted, just that it pulls the energy into existence from the space around it.  After all, the energy is already there.

Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Which is it, empty space which also means no energy or space filled with energy?

Perhaps once you have had a chance to sober up you could clear that up?

I will get to sparks once I find a money to mass conversion calculator so I can understand it.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 09:08:36 PM
Why does it always have to be Jews and gentiles?
A nice old  gentile "liar for higher" once told me
Never give a man a stick[schtick] to beat you with!

Some how I feel all I have to do is say freakin hello to you!
And you'll figure out a way to beat me with "That"[hello]
Probably very soundly too!
Hello
Chet
PS
My handlers want to Know which "diatribe"you added to
since my last report to headquarters.
They talk to me thru the toaster oven so I'll report in once I'm done cooking my bagels.

They used to talk to me thru the Microwave But sparks gave us a plasma experiment with tinfoil and water or something ,
And it fried
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
Qarktoo

I did find a probelm with your last post.  I heard tell that electrons in lower energy orbitals are excited by adsorbed photons.  Cold electricity is not an unexplained phenomenon by classical quantom mechanics.   As  mass goes one way currents go the other.

You lost me in would have been the first paragraph if you knew what a paragraph break was.

If current flows to voltage, wouldn't you would be claiming that voltage has mass?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 09:36:16 PM

As a stupid "Blurb", if a particle can be described as a form of interference pattern of waves, then much can be easily explained, but "mass" becomes an enigma by itself.  Technically, it doesn't exist.  Having typed that, I would assume that All actions are at a distance, because there is no "Real" contact between matter, only field interactions.

What makes up the fields that interact? Magic fairy dust? You can't "see that in order to believe it" Loner. Fairy dust is invisible and all munchkins know that.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
Why does it always have to be Jews and gentiles?
A nice old  gentile "liar for higher" once told me
Never give a man a stick[schtick] to beat you with!

Because you post stupid stuff like this.

On a happier note ,a buddy sent me this!
Give it to your Gay /liberal nieghbor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Oh I'm sure you Know this anyway!

Me thinks you Jews and Muslims should go at it head to head in the mother of all battles.

Jews with nukes -vs-a billion Muslim human wave armed with AL-47's.

When the smoke clears, the world would be peaceful and the gentiles could get all their stuff back.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE!!!???

I think we should all go head to head. It would be Mossad  -vs-  CIA  -vs-  MI6  -vs-  EADS  -vs-  KGB (FIS)  -vs-  Northrop  -vs-  Lockheed  -vs-  Loner  -vs-  me.

Here is the proposed venue:

We all meet at a gay bar dressed in mascot costumes so nobody is outed and after bashing all the civilian homos we cluster fuck each other in a fight to the death.

The problem would be that the Mossad would infiltrate the CIA and turn them against the FIS and steal the costumes of both sides off the dead bodies.

MI6 would be excited about meeting at a gay bar but since it wasn’t their favorite gay bar, they would refuse to show.

EADS would travel on a piece of shit Airbus and die in a crash enroute.

Northrop couldn’t afford the trip since they didn’t get the F-35 contract.

Lockheed wouldn’t make it since they did get the F-35 contract and are so flush with cash 25% of them are retiring and it is yachting season in Monaco after all.

Loner doesn't do group things as it would destroy his image.

I would be left all alone, sitting there in a kangaroo suit in a gay bar only to discover it was Ramset’s coming out party and with those big floppy kangaroo feet, would not be able to outrun Ramset and his cabal of colon cowboys. Per the norm, I would get screwed to death by he and his fleet of gay sailors. (Thankfully I am able to reincarnate myself any time I want which I do for entertainment purposes only.)

Unfortunately, this website and the free energy movement would be even more gay and crappy than ever and the free energy would be destroyed.

We need a better plan.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 10, 2010, 11:16:04 PM
Come on,
 we did that last friday night!!  That wasn't you in the pink tu tu with the black leather mask??
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 10, 2010, 11:25:05 PM
Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Which is it, empty space which also means no energy or space filled with energy?

Perhaps once you have had a chance to sober up you could clear that up?

I will get to sparks once I find a money to mass conversion calculator so I can understand it.

Space is filled with energy, else it could not have all of the properties assigned to it like permeability and permittivity.  Emptiness has no properties.  So, yes, the bastards are lying to us on all levels.

Einstein - poster child of physicist who avoid the truth at all costs - knew there was a medium as much as Tesla knew it and E-stein either couldn't figure it out (since he was not "hands-on") or he chose not to ever say publicly.  He did state that an "aether" made Special Relativity "invalid", and he needed to make a living, so go figure.

Furthermore - knock that much energy out of mass and it might just fall apart.

Now I think I will get really drunk so I can start making less sense.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 10, 2010, 11:25:31 PM
Hey Sparks,

Maybe you can explain why magically delicious photons are only eaten up and puked out by sick electrons in a perfect zig zag pattern.

The reason that the current model does not work is that they refuse to accept that all particles and their associated antiparticles are parts of the SAME particle.

As the two spin waves come together rotating in opposite directions, the space where they connect at the tips or ends is one plank unit in size. This opposite spin "curls" the waves into what you call a particle.

Where the waves are going at opposite speeds, their combined opposite speeds are superluminal which sucks energy from the time and space dimension above light speed.

If that were not the case, then a photon which is forever, would run out of energy since it is emitting energy and every particle of mass in the universe would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Second law was written by men describing fire and steam engines and could not begin to describe anything beyond that to anyone but the most mind controlled morons in the universe.


=============  LONER  ===============

Stan Meyer stated that atoms have an aperture that is fed by God. Stan was crazy and stupid but at some level anyway, Stan was right.

If I have a fighter jet that has a gun in the nose and the jet can fly at 2000 MPH and the bullet from the gun shoots at 2000 MPH then in flight the bullet goes 4000 MPH. We can call this a staged or reflected blast.

When electricity is produced by a magnet splitting mass on an inductor and associated conductor, mass clapping back together during AB effect produces a compression or staged blast at light speed and above since many particles are being split. Some of that blast due to staging is moving at superluminal speed.

You can't detect or measure the above light speed blast since it does not exist in this dimension of time. So what is voltage? Voltage is a shockwave of mass that is moving at and above the speed of light but since it is moving at light speed and above, it becomes massless.

So how could a non conductor such as a spider web allow cold electricity flow? It is a superluminal wave guide since all living or organic matter contains an energy field that can be photographed using Kirlian photography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

That would be my guess anyway.

EDIT
One of the reasons many of the free energy effects have been lost though history is that we used to insulate wire with organic materials such as silk which is made from a spider web.
EDIT
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 11, 2010, 01:16:54 AM
Sigma16,

There is no such thing as empty space. In order for something to exist, it must have mass (energy) and time (relative motion to other mass).

Something cannot pass through something that does not exist since it would be impossible to have action at a distance.

There is a patent for a quantum transmitter that uses AB effect and spin curl waves to transmit anywhere in the universe without propagation delay or signal loss.

In order for that to work, and it does work and I have evidence of that, then one has to come to the logical conclusion that all matter is connected by something and that something is not in this local frame.

In local time the atoms in space, are simply "spaced out". I.e., the orbits of electrons may occupy orbits that are miles in diameter depending on what is near those atoms.

This was part of a thought experiment to determine why it is impossible to produce a random number and I concluded the universe is a giant transmission and all the gears (atoms) are meshed and working together. As Einstein put it, God does not play dice with the universe.

We know that a photon slows down as it passes a charged quadrapole such as our Sun and the heavens are filled with them . As such, the universe is not as large as claimed. Imagine all the paperwork that would be involved if that reality were to become accepted. Suddenly when the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and people realize that there is no such thing as a vacuum to begin with a bunch of magical thinking "science" goes down the tubes.

Humanity will never have real science until scientists pull the heads out of the peer reviewed asses of fellow peer reviewed scientists owned by corporations and the merchants of death.

God displayed in the heavens in grandeur what science searches for under a microscope or an atom smasher. Nature creates with fractals.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 11, 2010, 01:52:40 AM
I know.

Anyone else who knows, should build something, if for no other reason than to save their own ass.

E-stein and Tesla are both dead.  Who is praised and who is loathed?  Who was a talker and who was a doer?

Don't give me this "I'm broke" BULLSHIT either.   Stiffler built it and he still lives.   

Fuck the damn trolls - let's get it on!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 11, 2010, 02:14:15 AM
I know.

Anyone else who knows, should build something, if for no other reason than to save their own ass.

E-stein and Tesla are both dead.  Who is praised and who is loathed?  Who was a talker and who was a doer?

Don't give me this "I'm broke" BULLSHIT either.   Stiffler built it and he still lives.   

Fuck the damn trolls - let's get it on!

Stiffler didn't go OU and his web site at least tracked back to a company owned by Rand which is a CIA brass plate. I check into thingys like that.

I could have easily shown Stiffler how to go OU with his false cold electricity claim but he is a jerk and working for someone. That being said, he is an interesting jerk and I enjoy his posts and information a great deal.

The people you work for already know plenty about the subject of OU and have since the end of WWII or even before. All they want to do is make sure there is no competition on a local level when we transition out of the carbon age.

Show me the money Jerry McGuire! 50K after taxes and I will lay it out and never speak of it again and I do keep my agreements/secrets and have held a secret NSC in the past.

For 50K a year after that, I will do research and even front man a patent or two.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 11, 2010, 03:33:06 AM
Yes the people I work for do know - along with several others.

The sweetest and most beautiful part is that I am a lowly engineer and they do not know that I know or what I know.  Keep your friends close and enemies closer.  LOL! 

Good point on Stiffler.

If no one takes you up on the 50k offer then go after a DARPA project and nail it.  Then they will come calling. 

No one buys, steals, or surpresses "ideas" - only the real deal!

Me?  I prefer to stoke the fire directly under their ass, where they will assume it is flatulence and leave me the fuck alone.  Works like a charm.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 11, 2010, 03:35:41 AM
Oh look!  The Chava-ites are online! 

Damn!   They couldn't get the funding!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 11, 2010, 06:34:17 AM
      In a wire the electrons move in a more or less ordered progression from one terminal to another terminal as long as the terminals remain at a relative in balance of mass density.  The amount of mass in one terminal is inconsistent with the amount of mass in the other terminal.  Voltage just describes this imparity in the mass density between the two terminals or ends of the field of interest.  When you probe the terminals what you are seeing on your meter is mass density differential.  The probe registering [ositive voltage is loosing its mass density to the measured spot  while the probe measuring negative is gaining mass density.  A current will flow until the entire voltage measuring device is at the same mass density as the two terminal  spots.  This current will be perpectual until the entire voltage measuring device is at equal mass density with its teminating fields of interest and the terminals are at the same mass density themselves.  The measuring device will continue to have current flow into and thru it until the terminals of the device and the device itself has complete and utter equal mass denstiy.  At this point it will no longer radiate or absorb photons as it will be totally void of anything asymetrical.  It will at this point turn into dark matter.  It is still there but it lacks the ability to collect or radiate any mass density differentials because it is now at rest or completely potential energy and lacking kinetic energy of any type.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 11, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
So fellows,
Lets talk about  how to build something that causes acceleration and a way to benifit [harvest] from this moment ,which in turn can show us that this is not just a theory?
Is that possible to do in "hard copy"?
Or are we restricted to "mind exercises" only,due to complexity of actual experiments? Some how I really don't think so!

Oh and yes , A build,Open source ! No secrets, inuendos,
double speak ,assumptions etc... just a freakin build!

Enough of this circle jerk from hell,
IS You Is, or is you ain't, men of impeccable moral fiber?
Men that want to come out of the Dark ages?
And shine a light?
@and yes Grumpula I will build!

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 11, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
So fellows,
Lets talk about  how to build something that causes acceleration and a way to benifit [harvest] from this moment ,which in turn can show us that this is not just a theory?
Is that possible to do in "hard copy"?
Or are we restricted to "mind exercises" only,due to complexity of actual experiments? Some how I really don't think so!

Oh and yes , A build,Open source ! No secrets, inuendos,
double speak ,assumptions etc... just a freakin build!

Enough of this circle jerk from hell,
IS You Is, or is you ain't, men of impeccable moral fiber?
Men that want to come out of the Dark ages?
And shine a light?
@and yes Grumpula I will build!

Really?

Build this then:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

Use HT magnet wire for the coils.  Something around 28 AWG is good.  Use a lot of wire.  I used about 1300 feet per coil.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
Grumpy
Are you serious?
I mean your not just pickin on me?Isn't that a little tricky??
I have company today but I will look Tonight!

Chet

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 12, 2010, 05:44:26 AM
Grumpy
Are you serious?
I mean your not just pickin on me?Isn't that a little tricky??
I have company today but I will look Tonight!

Chet

Yep.  Serious.  Talkin' is talkin' and walkin' is walkin'.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
Grumpy,
I must be candid,I do believe absolutely you are capable of doing this,I have zero doubt.
However this is beyond my present skill level,I am quite sure that I could understand what is going on there [seeing as how I've been attending OU school regularly].
But I believe for "me" right now that this


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9690.msg256688#new

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.msg256712#new

would be easier to "harvest" from and holds less
political BS and could be done with some of the coil designs you fellahs have been playing with.

No disassocciation of pure water [scary shit].

get the Gas without the scary stuff!
And the "harvest" is the gas!

Unless you feel It would be easier to "harvest" the SM way ?
This only you would know!

This world needs something NOW!!

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magneticitist on September 12, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
i think negative electricity or cold electricity is nothing more than the utilization of super high voltages to run low voltage loads.

electricity is only considered "hot" when current is introduced.. we all know electrostatic charge carries no heat.

the use of a spark gap helps us tune this cold electricity, but in the end its just compressed voltage i believe. the only way to light a filament bulb and not have it get hot is to light it dimly with a spark gap.. far as i know..compressed voltage.. otherwise u are introducing current and no matter what that current will expel heat.

if it's negative voltages were talking about there are a number of ways to get a meter to read negative voltage. it would also seem using this idea of "negative charge" would mean simply charging a capacitor backwards would make it use negative flow.

if current is naturally alternating, and alternates always, even in DC (back emf) then why would current flow even matter. at that point we are talking a linear direction of motion similar to reversing the polarity on a motor making it spin the other way. the actual characteristics of the electricity does not change tho.

i need more info on this cold electricity and how to "use" it other than running loads from a spark gapped tesla coil
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 12, 2010, 03:55:02 PM
the only way to light a filament bulb and not have it get hot is to light it dimly with a spark gap.. far as i know..compressed voltage.. otherwise u are introducing current and no matter what that current will expel heat.
there is no spark gap in this...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg218520#msg218520
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 12, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Grumpy,
I salute you sir!!
You truly are a man of good intentions and integrity!!

Chetkremens@gmail.com
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 12, 2010, 10:37:15 PM
Signma16,

I had a look at that design you put forth here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

A quote from the well written post stated "The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron"

Nuclear magnetic resonate frequency of iron is 21.5 MHZ. Notice how Stiffler got an energy peak at 10.5 MHZ on his cold electricity claim? Notice how he didn't test above that frequency? He surely had the equipment to do it...

When TheBuzz pointed out the NMR harmonic, all hell broke loose and Stiffler took a hike. When I use the term "safe free energy device" I am always talking about NMR frequency of iron.

You can listen to the NMR freq. of iron on a police scanner at 21.5 MHZ and it is the reason that not much occupies that part of the RF spectrum. I point that out since a cheap scanner can be used as a piece of test equipment.

Once NMR has been achieved, the iron emits BETA particles which is mass being splattered from the core which draws more current into the coil to fill the vacuum. Use safety glasses to shield your eyes from the BETA if you enjoy having the long term vision.

A shorted coil will act somewhat like a spark gap in accelerating particles. It is really just the sharp swing of high low of a spark gag producing acceleration verses the magnet compression / acceleration of a shorted coil producing a reflected wave blast. So one could make the argument that spark gap is full wave at light speed verses the mag compression at magnetic saturation speed.

If you couple that shorted coil with a magnet, you can achieve a higher output since the magnet acts like a spring that is fixed at one point. The shorted coil is the anchor.

With very little modification, Stiffler's loopstick antenna design can go OU. But why didn't he do that? Probably because he was using multiple usernames and IP's to quietly get peoples names and addresses in the free energy movement. What did they gain for giving him that info? Nothing.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 12, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
I should add to that that FE56 (common iron) will give up two electrons at NMR frequency transmuting it to FE 54 which is radioactive. You can look that up on some periodic element tables to verify.

If you go to

http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/index.html?quid=734

You will read that "We detect Hydrogen atoms by exciting them at their resonant frequency of 42,580,000 Hz."

Odd how it is almost exactly twice the NMR of FE56 huh?

Maybe the exact NMR frequency of pure iron is 21.29 MHZ instead of 21.5 MHZ?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magneticitist on September 12, 2010, 11:00:06 PM
well unless im looking at the wrong place that schematic does use a spark gap.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 12, 2010, 11:19:12 PM
Signma16,

I had a look at that design you put forth here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

A quote from the well written post stated "The frequency should be a harmonic of the NMR of iron"

Nuclear magnetic resonate frequency of iron is 21.5 MHZ. Notice how Stiffler got an energy peak at 10.5 MHZ on his cold electricity claim? Notice how he didn't test above that frequency? He surely had the equipment to do it...

When TheBuzz pointed out the NMR harmonic, all hell broke loose and Stiffler took a hike. When I use the term "safe free energy device" I am always talking about NMR frequency of iron.

You can listen to the NMR freq. of iron on a police scanner at 21.5 MHZ and it is the reason that not much occupies that part of the RF spectrum. I point that out since a cheap scanner can be used as a piece of test equipment.

Once NMR has been achieved, the iron emits BETA particles which is mass being splattered from the core which draws more current into the coil to fill the vacuum. Use safety glasses to shield your eyes from the BETA if you enjoy having the long term vision.

A shorted coil will act somewhat like a spark gap in accelerating particles. It is really just the sharp swing of high low of a spark gag producing acceleration verses the magnet compression / acceleration of a shorted coil producing a reflected wave blast. So one could make the argument that spark gap is full wave at light speed verses the mag compression at magnetic saturation speed.

If you couple that shorted coil with a magnet, you can achieve a higher output since the magnet acts like a spring that is fixed at one point. The shorted coil is the anchor.

With very little modification, Stiffler's loopstick antenna design can go OU. But why didn't he do that? Probably because he was using multiple usernames and IP's to quietly get peoples names and addresses in the free energy movement. What did they gain for giving him that info? Nothing.

Then 21.5 MHz must also be a harmonic of the pulsation of the universe.

Note that the device is called tetrahedral but he says the the lower three coils are at 30 degrees - so not a true tetrahedron.  The collector located where the fields intersect - the region of the outer areas of the coils. Lay out on paper and it is a parallelogram region.

So, you gonna get a piece of this?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 13, 2010, 12:31:49 AM
How do you apply the "shorted coil"?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 01:36:03 AM
Then 21.5 MHz must also be a harmonic of the pulsation of the universe.

Note that the device is called tetrahedral but he says the the lower three coils are at 30 degrees - so not a true tetrahedron.  The collector located where the fields intersect - the region of the outer areas of the coils. Lay out on paper and it is a parallelogram region.

So, you gonna get a piece of this?

I would not say no to getting a piece of it but these days I am strapped for cash. However there are far more simple ways of producing OU devices.

Rather than cascading transistors, why not use a fast counter driven by a variable clock circuit on the driver side? Perfect output and it is simple.

I will get a better function generator in the future and get back to work but for now I am financially hindered.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 01:38:43 AM
How do you apply the "shorted coil"?

http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins

Remove Lentz force reaction and the game changes using an inductor.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 01:45:05 AM
Thane is pretty careful to not go OU and while his stuff is crude and lacks imagination, he does a beautiful job of showing the possibility. Free energy is all about the word possibility.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 13, 2010, 04:17:59 AM
   You take any mass and accelerate it so that it has eaten photons.  The photons have been absorbed,  Lets say the photons are ultraviolet tasting photons.  The electrons in a gas have alot of freedom of motion as compared to a liquid or solid.  They can go along ways before any collisions occur.  Each atom then becomes radioactive and emits beta particles.  (the difference between an accelerated electron and beta radiation seems unclear to me.  Maybe someone knows and can help me out with this mind fart I am having trying to differentiate between beta and electrons bumping around in a wire)
     According to Einsteins conversion the parent atom has lost mass.  It has lost the total mass of the electron.  I really dont see Einstein limiting his mass conversion to energy equation with any scaling parmeters.  Again I may be mistaken,   
     The ionizing frequency will determine the amount of energy of the individual electrons and thei amount of excitation.  The intensity of the photons or number of photons radiated into the bulk of the atoms will determine the amount of excited electrons.  I dont know about you but when I take a shower there are two different ways I can heat my skin.  I can open the valve completely and have this massive torrent of hot water flow over me very quickly with most of the heat ending up heating the drain plumbing or I can regulate the whole process so that the water is completely cooled to the desired temperature by the time it drips off my toes.  Best way to intensify photons is like when my cool uncle use to start fires with a mangnifying glass.  The refraction through the lense caused an intensification of the photons irradiating the leaf.  He didnt describe it in this way he just said watch this shit and did it.    Pretty much what a spark gap does inside a combustion chamber.   Think germanium or any other focusing crystal like the ones they use in light admitting stimulated electron radiation machines.  They intensify the photon radiation,   
    We now take this intense photon radiation at a given photon flavor and direct it into a gas mixture like air where ionization of oxygen and nitrogen proceed.  Both oxygen and nitrogen will have a different frequency where cascade ionization occurs.  This is why a spark gap is kinda cool because it is so multispectrum.  Tesla stumbled across the cascade ionization effect messing around with highvoltage and magnetic quenching of the gap.  He paid for it too.  Sticking your head in a cyclotron is not considered a safe thing to do.  The uv from his sparkgaps ionized alot of his retina so he lost control of eye dialation feedback.  This is a warning you start messing around with ionizing frequencies be prepared for radiation sickness.  You want to suntan just get a big old magnifying glass and line it up with a spark gap for 20minutes.  You wake up the next day with a sunburn.  Myers used the cascade ionization effect in his water car.    Marvel at that.  Molecular collisions with the sidewalls of a container where one of the sidewalls is moveable.  What he did do was use an inert gas and recycle the same so that you dont have to reheat the gas.  Its not majic it is effiecient.    He wasnt doing shit with water.  The car did not run on water it ran on air dissolved in the water..  Water is saturated with air in varying degrees.  You lower the vapor pressure on top of a bottle of water long before the water boils the dissolved gas expands an floats out into the ionizing chamber.  This air is then bombarded with ionizing frequencies he powers up with his modified car alternator.  The idiot bypassed the regulator to get high voltage.  I use to do this for customers and get 120 volts out of an alternator at 500hz.  It isnt majic it is bullshit.  The air undergoing cie then is mixed with the inert gas where it results in photon absorption by the inert gas thermal expansion and the rest is history.
   You ask me all of the free energy devices are products of cie.  Cie is the process that powers neuclear power plants.  The danger being that the stuff they are using to get some catalyzing radio activity or ionizing frequencies is going to emit ionizing frequencies for thousands of years.  In order to control the masses an exotic fuel scource is introduced by the smarter than average bears and boo boo is left asking yogi questions that the smarter than average bear is unable to answer.   Like this one.  BOO BOO to yogi.  Yogi if your fusion process works wont that change all the hydrogen in the water into helium in the air and we wont be able to breath or drink.  Yogi  I dont know BOO BOO baby but it sure will help us to get into them there pickanic baskets.  BOO BOO"  I guess your right Yogi.  Yogi:  You know it Boo boo I'm smarter than the average bear.
   
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 13, 2010, 05:01:13 AM
The part no one talks about is what the change in mass does to the space around it.

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 05:20:00 AM
Sorry sparks but that was pure disinfo. regarding Meyer. I am one of the few people that have photos of Meyers circuit boards and there is nothing you stated that agrees with his circuit boards, photos, his notes or for that matter anything that Puharich stated.

I also have high res photos of his alternator board. Your comment was pure disinfo.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 13, 2010, 06:07:22 AM
   I was referring to a patent of his where he was using ultraviolet light diodes to ionize air.  I have absolutely no idea what he was doing electronically to do this in his voltage intensifier circuits.  But as I noted you need to transmit two frequencys to ionize the oxygen and the nitrogen.  You also need to control magnetiic fields throughout the ionizing chamber to deaccelerate the electrons in order to create more uv light.  I have not studied Myers extensively but what he was trying to achieve was a kit that could be supplied that would modify existing vehicles.  Alot of the stuff he did like messing with the alternator output waveform and frequency was I believe efforts to this end.  He stated that the primed fluid was mixed with an inert gas and supplied to the expansion chamber.  I believe his primed fluid was air undergoing selfpowered ionization.  When the inert gas mixed with the ionizing air it absorbed the radiation and amounted into thermal expansion of the inert gas.  He may have had some hydrolosis going on but he stated that the hydrogen produced was a byproduct and could be used later in the process for thermally driven reactions.  It is just my take on this process.   The water could have been used as an attention grabber and missinformation on his part.  I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.  Resonance is only a form of energy storage.  Mass to energy is the real deal.  Proven over and over again.  The problem is that disinformation is spread by the powers that be as to what mass scources you can use to do this.  An atom has a definite mass with the electrons included.  Then when the electrons are gone its mass is altered.  I dont give a shit if it emits alpha beta gamma quarks leptons neutrinos gluons etc etc.  you alter the mass of that atom it will proceed as Einstein and others predictied.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 13, 2010, 06:25:38 AM
  @Sigma

  If mass warps spacetime to create gravity effects altering this mass would appear to alter gravity effects.  So instead of the Earth falling down in a dimple in the spacetime continoum grid  created by the mass of the Sun a considerable loss of mass from the sun all of a sudden might cause the Earth to start falling out a relative pimple in the spacetime continoum.  Surfing a gravity wave of sorts.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 07:06:32 AM
I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.
Agreed  - resonance is not OU but then I don't know anyone but the mouth breather brigade that has made that claim.

Resonance is known in chemistry as mesomeric effect and is how you get the electron bouncing to its highest orbit and thus has its weakest connection to the atom. Then the laser light comes along and knocks that electron away from the atom.

If you look at the absorpsion bands of oxygen, you see the strongest one at 752nm which would have been the "red" LED laser wavelength that Meyer was using. He didn't care about nitrogen as that is cast off and the OZONE  or O3 is what is then mixed in an ultrasonic resonant chamber to bond the O3 to the H2O to form H2O2.

I have spelled this out before in clear detail. Meyer's notes are filled with it and Puharich, who was doing the same thing and also gave away a great deal of info.

Ultrasonic energy combines things together unless there is a force pulling them apart such as voltage or electrostatic potential.

Meyer locked up all the hydrogen production processes and unless you spell out which process, people get confused and argue. His final process is the one I just spelled out.

He slowly moved the components in miniature form into the injector. His first injector used silver as a catalyst to flash the H2O2 into superheated steam which for a tiny moment breaks the hydrogen bond to produce HHO.

That last part of the process is what causes a superheated steam explosion in a boiler. You don't have the silver acting as a catalyst but the H2O molecule goes from great pressure and temp to low pressure and temp in a split second and this creates a cavitation at the molecule slams together. Then when it expands back out from that split second compressed state, the bond is momentarily broken. A spark or the static produced will ignite the water.

Stan Meyer made rocket fuel and that is why he needed an aluminum engine. Hydrogen peroxide is best stored in aluminum containers as the oxygen layer that bonds to aluminum keeps the aluminum from corroding and contaminating the H2O2 making it unstable.

H2O2 would be too corrosive to use in a steel engine.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on September 13, 2010, 09:03:22 AM
Not to sound detractive, but if Meyer was forming H2O2, and it's too corrosive for steel, then what would any of the engines this system were attached to be using for liners?  Heads, fine.  Block, Fine.  Al won't handle the piston ring abrasion, nor would an al ring be functional.

Would the possibility of Chrome plated to these parts be a possibility?

I am aware of the "Cross Country" trip in an automotive application, as well as the applications for aircraft certification, and never heard of this type of corrosive problem mentioned, before.

Just curious, as there is so much more Meyer info out there than I could ever be aware of.

You are thinking that H2O2 is pumped into the cylinder and then ignited however none of Meyer's injectors worked that way. The H2O2 is ignited as it leaves the injector and so none or very little H2O2 actually ever makes it into the cylinder. It has already been converted into flame.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sigma16 on September 13, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
I have not been able to find a reference that places the NMR of iron at 21.5 MHz.  However, this is a common frequency for NMR spectrometers to operate at.

The text that is missing was moved to the outlook section.  I cannot vouch for the 7 pages missing.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 14, 2010, 02:31:51 AM
   Loner my annagram was wrong.  Ice is cool.  Ionization Cascade Event.   ICE.     
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on September 14, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
      If an electron in a 1s orbital responds to an electric field or the orbital is altered by a magnetic field what force is there to keep the electron from colliding with the neucleus.   I see the binding energy of an electron as well bound energy.  This bound energy is accessible wherever we find electrons bound to a neucleus.  A conductor pocessing many ionized atoms conducts the electric field but does not really offer any chance of producing one.  But anyway if there is enough bound energy in a 1s orbital and the electron is jumping orbitals and it misses the 1s and collides with the neucleus is there a chance that the binding energy of the neucleus suddenly is unbound!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2010, 02:47:28 AM
So Quarktoo
How about that simple experiment you spoke of?

Chet


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 18, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
I know.

Anyone else who knows, should build something, if for no other reason than to save their own ass.

E-stein and Tesla are both dead.  Who is praised and who is loathed?  Who was a talker and who was a doer?

Don't give me this "I'm broke" BULLSHIT either.   Stiffler built it and he still lives.   

Fuck the damn trolls - let's get it on!
according to the all-knowing tinselkoala, stiffler has nothing... good thing he took his ball and went home or i'm sure he would set you straight. ;)
Look, I personally believe that if any of these efforts will pay off, it will be the electronic ones. That's a big IF.
Now, as to Stiffler's stuff: I've been playing with similar circuits for nearly 50 years, and I have the smoking scars on my fingers to prove it. You can criticise me and flame me all you want and it won't change the facts: Stiffler is demonstrating well-known RF phenomena and dressing it up in his own fancy language and terminology. You can either follow his teachings and get thoroughly confused, or you can pick up a sophomore EE textbook and actually learn something useful.
Meanwhile, I'm concentrating on the easy stuff: gravity wheels, magnet motors, and buoyancy drives (and you can see how hard it is even with these obvious losers). So go pick on somebody else, because I'm not interested in arguing with you about "Dr." Stiffler.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2010, 09:18:53 PM
Wilby
Well I asked TK to come back for a look at the new released TPU info!

Chet
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 18, 2010, 09:32:09 PM
Wilby
Well I asked TK to come back for a look at the new released TPU info!

Chet
oh goody! the great tk might grace us with his opinion ::) not quite sure what any of that has to do with stiffler... new released? it's nothing more than a rehash of what was said before. furthermore, it (the tpu 'info') is mostly conjecture and assumption by spherics, he/she/it never built what he/she/it proselytized about.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
W
How bored with life would a person have to be ?,to go thru all that work [the newest TPU info]
Just for Ha Ha s

The word in the bushes is he worked for the Peeps that built the TPU.

Having this new info out in the open, like it now is ,has got to help to put this to rest once and for all,one way or the other.

Chetty

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magluvin on September 18, 2010, 11:54:23 PM
I like TK   He an I had some differences at once but I fully respect him. I wish he were around, his input is valuable in any topic.

I think he got shut down on the whipmag. If he did, he couldnt say due to it would be a real deal admittance to if it worked or not. The rest is just hear say.

Tk hasnt been up to much lately. I check his YT here n there.

Mags
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
So Quarktoo
How about that simple experiment you spoke of?

Chet
bump
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 24, 2011, 12:25:32 PM
So Quarktoo
How about that simple experiment you spoke of?

Chet

Only Saint Buzz could do such an experiment and he is too cold due to a lack of stars and magical troll repelling powers. Quarrktoo feels the same way.

Interesting that I was able to predict that unusual copper coated iron wire was being used in Gray device? I would tell you why but that would be a "theory" and the I don't want to push master clown to go into theory police mode all day. Got an experiment to do.

Busy
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on January 24, 2011, 03:08:54 PM
Good experimenting to you sir!!,May the powers of OU
Grace your Bench !

ITS FREAKIN COLD HERE!! TELL SAINT BUZZ I GOT SNOOKIMS AND CHALOOPA BUFFIN STARS!!
Chaloopa can't wash anyway the waters FROEZEN]

On A side Note,I had Snookims[Not pictured] neutered AGAIN,
Hopefully no more Inappropriate Buffing from him!!

Chet
PS
Chaloopa is a veteran of the Hubbell project.
She takes no responsibility for that polishing fiasco,
And assures Saint Buzz that his stars will outshine the Hubbell job!!

The Best of the best workin on this!!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on January 24, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Detecting Aharonov-Bohm Oscillations In "Trojan Electrons", http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR97/BAPSAPR97/vpr/layn18-14.html

Trojan Wave Packet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_wave_packet

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 24, 2011, 11:46:23 PM
So Quarktoo
How about that simple experiment you spoke of?

Chet

Ironically, the guys I was planning to build and ship it to already figured it out.

http://www.youtube.com/user/theUMMCorg#p/c/88AB74065426BA7F

It is what I was going to teach PhysicsProfessor but he decided to join the clown parade. Note how it self runs, is a monopole and is connected to the universe?

Understanding how it works is simple if you understand what electricity is. Or... you can sit around and blatherate about your meter collection or trying to measure some insignificant amount of power that does not exist at Larry World. But hey... Join Larry in prayer and "believe" it will work by all means.


I left all the information anyone would ever need to figure it out. Rodin teaches you how to wind the coil.

Now get my star back or I am going put you in the movies.  ;D

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 24, 2011, 11:55:21 PM
Detecting Aharonov-Bohm Oscillations In "Trojan Electrons", http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR97/BAPSAPR97/vpr/layn18-14.html

Trojan Wave Packet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_wave_packet

GB

Sound like GB is getting interested in my AB effect rant. It is one of the two top methods from what I can see to connect to the universe.

Remember how I was telling PhysicsProfessor you could measure it on Pluto if he knew what he was doing? Thanks for posting that. Rome to New York is a good start.

Without doubt the most interesting effects I have ever run across. How can anyone claim to understand electricity without first understanding AB effect is a mystery. Why build radios the way we do? All radio stations could be picked up from anywhere in the universe with minute power levels.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on January 25, 2011, 02:54:25 AM
quarktoo Quote:

I left all the information anyone would ever need to figure it out. Rodin teaches you how to wind the coil.

Now get my star back or I am going put you in the movies. 
----------------------
Figure sshhhmigure,Movies ssshhmovies!
Tell us how to get started?

Never mind this Look here......... look there....... stuff!
Never mind this "its in the Pages crap".

This sounds very cool!This AB Thing! get us going on this!

Focus the efforts or we'll be playin with Jewel theives till the cows come home,and Larry world will get so big it'll go public and Larry will get rich on the IPO!

Come on lets do this already!!
Movies....................Shmoovies..............
We got this 2012 thing coming up?
Pole flips ETC..............
This ObahmaNation ain't doing so good,we need a little somethin?

Chet
PS
Besides My compu has no sound,I need sub titles?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 25, 2011, 04:04:45 AM
Is there any proof that cold electricity is more than a joke?

If you mean the Aharonov-Bohm effect by AB effect, this proved that the vector potentials are real.  This is not energy source, so how is related to excess electrical energy?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on January 25, 2011, 05:20:09 AM
If you mean the Aharonov-Bohm effect by AB effect, this proved that the vector potentials are real.  This is not energy source, so how is related to excess electrical energy?

There is a relationship between energy and the force that imparts acceleration to a body, but only a certain relationship. Water activates a turbine, but the gravitational force which activated the water was never turned into electrical energy.  We can use the AB effect in the same manner as the gravitational force is used to activate the water to turn a turbine.

We must also bear in mind that a body, however much energy of its own it may have, does not move unless an exterior force sets it in motion. If one charges a sphere with a considerable amount of energy, it still does not move. Nevertheless if a force is applied to it, a corresponding impulse is transferred to the sphere.  All the intrinsic energy of an electron, supposing an electron to be a particle, would be of no use to it, unless there were an exterior force to impart acceleration to its mass.

As a wave form however, an electron perpetuates its vibration within a field without losing its characteristic wave structure. These wave structures have the property of moving through a field, or remaining stationary within it. An electron is a stationary wave form within an atom.

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 25, 2011, 06:20:52 AM
Aharonov Bohm effect cause phase shift not acceleration
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on January 25, 2011, 07:31:26 AM
Aharonov Bohm effect cause phase shift not acceleration

Potentials are Primary while the Fields are Just Changes to the Potentials.

The phase shift is the most commonly described case for the AB effect, but it's not limited to this case only.  The overall A-potential has multiple field components with multiple kinds of changes ongoing simultaneously.  This potential can be tapped into in order to pull energy out of the vacuum, from space/time itself.  Wheeler clearly pointed out that mass and space continually interact. Quoting Wheeler: "Space acts on matter, telling it how to move. In turn, matter reacts back on space, telling it how to curve".

The magnetic vector potential (A) was once believed not to be physically real, but only a mathematical convenience that was defined by an equation.  Today, particularly since the advent of quantum electrodynamics, it is the potentials that are real and primary while the fields are only changes in the potentials. In short, the B-field is just a curled A-potential. 

http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/On%20the%20Aharonov-Bohm%20Effect1.doc

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on January 25, 2011, 09:15:48 AM
...
The magnetic vector potential (A) was once believed not to be physically real, but only a mathematical convenience that was defined by an equation.  Today, particularly since the advent of quantum electrodynamics, it is the potentials that are real and primary while the fields are only changes in the potentials. In short, the B-field is just a curled A-potential. 
...

This point is still controversial in mainstream physics. Potentials are only defined up to an additive constant that one can arbitrarily choose. At first glance, something that we can choose at will can't be considered "real". As you suggested, only "changes in the potentials" generate effects, such a potential gradient in space or a time varying potential. But what would mean physically a single potential is not understood because we need another potential for reference. This led to the gauge theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_invariance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_theory).


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 25, 2011, 01:14:17 PM
But what would mean physically a single potential is not understood because we need another potential for reference. This led to the gauge theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_invariance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauge_theory).

The reason it is not understood is that "physics" does not seem to understand that the speed of light is relevant to the observer and there are speeds both faster and slower than the speed of light. This is why we can only account for 4.5% of the light in the universe.

Until people realize that "physics" has been hijacked and people that that use these one sided models have had their brains hijacked also, things like free energy are not going to exist.

Physics and a tool named Grumpy claims that a magnetic field does not terminate in empty space. Maybe physics can explain why this plasma ball sitting on top a Rodin coil does not show any flux lines coming back around the outside of the coil? That is the difference between a mass converter and a time converter IMO.

I think this discussion should be broken out into AB effect and perhaps further into Rodin coils or maybe someone should start a "brain storm thread" or something. One thing is for certain, physics can't explain the speed amplification of voltage to the speed of light without using silly meaningless labels like "field" or phenomenon.

Where is the other end if the field in that coil and plasma ball? What caused the voltage speed amplification? Those are two really good question to start with. I would love to hear other peoples answers.

You will find your free energy hidden in the cracks of the laws of physics.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: spinn_MP on January 25, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
Quote
...
Until people realize that "physics" has been hijacked and people that that use these one sided models have had their brains hijacked also, things like free energy are not going to exist.
...
Cute... ;D

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 26, 2011, 03:58:11 AM
Potentials are Primary while the Fields are Just Changes to the Potentials.

The phase shift is the most commonly described case for the AB effect, but it's not limited to this case only.  The overall A-potential has multiple field components with multiple kinds of changes ongoing simultaneously.  This potential can be tapped into in order to pull energy out of the vacuum, from space/time itself.  Wheeler clearly pointed out that mass and space continually interact. Quoting Wheeler: "Space acts on matter, telling it how to move. In turn, matter reacts back on space, telling it how to curve".

The magnetic vector potential (A) was once believed not to be physically real, but only a mathematical convenience that was defined by an equation.  Today, particularly since the advent of quantum electrodynamics, it is the potentials that are real and primary while the fields are only changes in the potentials. In short, the B-field is just a curled A-potential. 

http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/On%20the%20Aharonov-Bohm%20Effect1.doc

GB

Tom Bearden use this effect to explain MEG device that still not work or not work well.  Maybe he make this up.

Energy moves along wire and drags electrons if right orientation.  This energy moving along wire is the cold one no?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 04:39:41 AM
Tom Bearden use this effect to explain MEG device that still not work or not work well.  Maybe he make this up.

Energy moves along wire and drags electrons if right orientation.  This energy moving along wire is the cold one no?

I think bearden is talking out his ass on that one. Nowhere did he describe splitting an electron stream on a magnet which is what initiates the spin curl wave. Nowhere did he use the term persistent.

Yeah.. the meg that is going to change the world did happen either.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on January 26, 2011, 11:47:13 AM
The reason it is not understood is that "physics" does not seem to understand that the speed of light is relevant to the observer and there are speeds both faster and slower than the speed of light.
...

It is well known that Einstein was a crackpot and that only people more intelligent than him, like the most of people claiming OU, understand the real physics.
Nevertheless I'm annoyed that among them, with their great not "hijacked" science, no one was able to build the slightest not conventional but working device.
I guess that these people are so much intelligent that there are only interested in ideas and aestheticism, not in reality. "How this Rodin coil is pretty, sure its magnetic field is a space-time swirl! What a wonderful light from this plasma ball, surely energy is amplified! And this MEG that is so simple, it obviously taps the ZPE!" they said  ;D


Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 01:32:13 PM
It is well known that Einstein was a crackpot and that only people more intelligent than him, like the most of people claiming OU, understand the real physics.
Nevertheless I'm annoyed that among them, with their great not "hijacked" science, no one was able to build the slightest not conventional but working device.
I guess that these people are so much intelligent that there are only interested in ideas and aestheticism, not in reality. "How this Rodin coil is pretty, sure its magnetic field is a space-time swirl! What a wonderful light from this plasma ball, surely energy is amplified! And this MEG that is so simple, it obviously taps the ZPE!" they said  ;D

That is complete BS. I am not going into the long list of the names of highly validated OU energy  inventors. Stan Meyer was highly validated. With your attitude, I am sure you will never invent anything.

Inventors tend to be rule breakers, creators and people that have not been programmed into thinking it isn't possible - dull corporate and government tools. ;D

It is so easy and take cheap shots. Why don't you get busy and invent something or head on over to crackpot.com.

You cite the MEG built by a man that worked for navel intelligence his whole life suppressing free energy devices. What a surprise.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 26, 2011, 02:14:52 PM

It is well known that Einstein was a crackpot


Tesla's favourite wine contained cocaine which was normal in those days.
You can't judge anybody by that.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: rensseak on January 26, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Tesla's favourite wine contained cocaine which was normal in those days.
You can't judge anybody by that.

And what contains the food you are eating? It must be something more harder then cocaine. Clown
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
And what contains the food you are eating? It must be something more harder then cocaine. Clown

Clown? Ha! Not even close. (We have been infiltrated by the Russians) XS-NRG has never built a JT so clown would be impossible.

Look at XS-NRG's tag line - "We can do anything we want" He makes my point nicely. He is also a serious builder and knows a lot about free energy devices. His plasma transformer belongs in a museum. What have you built?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: IotaYodi on January 26, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Quote
Until people realize that "physics" has been hijacked and people that that use these one sided models have had their brains hijacked also, things like free energy are not going to exist.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 04:59:10 PM


Quarktoo curtsies.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 26, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
Clown? Ha! Not even close. (We have been infiltrated by the Russians) XS-NRG has never built a JT so clown would be impossible.

Look at XS-NRG's tag line - "We can do anything we want" He makes my point nicely. He is also a serious builder and knows a lot about free energy devices. His plasma transformer belongs in a museum. What have you built?
and yet you cannot demonstrate a working free energy device...  ::)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
and yet you cannot demonstrate a working free energy device...  ::)

Clown? Go play with your little joule thief.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
Notice how this third rate spook uses the same exact sentence under WilbyInebriated and POYNT99?

and yet you cannot demonstrate a working free energy device...  ::)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266126#msg266126 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266126#msg266126)
Quote
Re: Pulsed DC Transformer with Embedded Magnets
« Reply #1346 on: December 04, 2010, 10:22:16 AM »

You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

Get used to being ignored clown.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 26, 2011, 06:00:51 PM
Clown? Go play with your little joule thief.
you finally figured out it was a joule thief and not the unconnected SEC...  bravo!  ::)

is my jt still overunity ohh great q2?
Quote from: quarktoo
they will figure out that every bit of the energy created by that extra cavitation is sunk into the inductor and they got nothing for building a tank circuit with a LED attached to it
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on January 26, 2011, 06:07:32 PM
Quarktoo
Quote:
Quarktoo curtsies.
-----------------------
OUCH! Not so aggresive on the Curtsies!!
That one burned my retinas!![don't you wear shorts??]

Chet
PS
Loner
Grumpy's Not able to post here anymore,Stefan gave him a "Time Out".
PPS
Whanna sell any of those Stars?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: poynt99 on January 26, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Notice how this third rate spook uses the same exact sentence under WilbyInebriated and POYNT99?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266126#msg266126 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8825.msg266126#msg266126)

What exactly are you trying to say?

.99
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 26, 2011, 06:20:42 PM
What exactly are you trying to say?

.99

Go to your barn Pony.

and yet you cannot demonstrate a working free energy device...  ::)

I can.
Actually i can show several ive build.
But not to people like you.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 07:05:05 PM
They need you to show them something to get the OK to make a house call.

Sorry clown(s)

Tell you what, since you clowns totally suck at intelligence gathering, tomorrow paint on a happy face and I will give you some training. We can make XS-NRG the target and I'll bet you I can get him to pony up everything in a single day.

Don't tell XS-NRG that I am going to do this because technically it violates ATS policy unless I get paid cash in advance.

So tomorrow is a new day and you wear a happy polite face(S). OK?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 26, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
Go to your barn Pony.

I can.
Actually i can show several ive build.
But not to people like you.
no you can't, but nice excuse... i'm sure all the discerning minds here will buy that. ::)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
I totally buy that. XS-NRG is a God of fabrication and knowledge of plasma transformers.

Speaking of which - That Kapandazi device could also contain nitrogen. Tesla experimented with high pressure nitrogen and the K Capture worked that way.

http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/feg2.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/feg2.htm)

Re tesla car from the piece I linked

"There was also some kind of hydraulic pressure gauge on the dash. Peter asked its purpose but Dr Tesla would not tell him."

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: poynt99 on January 26, 2011, 08:16:15 PM
Go to your barn Pony.

Since your friend has me on ignore, you can pass on this message to him. WilbyInebriated and poynt99 are not the same person, if that is what he was so poorly trying to convey. He would be well advised also to refrain from making such asinine comments and unfounded conclusions.

As for your comment marco, what right do you have to suggest I should not post here?

.99
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 26, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
Read your posts - "Should be obvious".  ;D
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on January 26, 2011, 11:34:30 PM
A house which is divided, can not stand.

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 27, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
The house is not divided. There are just two bad children that won't stop following me and XS-NRG around.

I built a beautiful bobbin today to try and replicate XDOLE's cold electricity demo. What did the clowns do? Nothing but troll people that actually build things in the threads we are commenting on.

.99 built his own house and people are asking him to go away but he doesn't. Creepy... He claimed in a TV interview he loved me. ;)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 27, 2011, 12:24:22 AM
no you can't, but nice excuse... i'm sure all the discerning minds here will buy that. ::)

I can.
Either way the outcome stays the same for you. :) haha


As for your comment marco, what right do you have to suggest I should not post here?

.99

You are a SPY and if not you should stick with one side.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: poynt99 on January 27, 2011, 12:29:54 AM
The house is not divided. There are just two bad children that won't stop following me and XS-NRG around.

I built a beautiful bobbin today to try and replicate XDOLE's cold electricity demo. What did the clowns do? Nothing but troll people that actually build things in the threads we are commenting on.

.99 built his own house and people are asking him to go away but he doesn't. Creepy... He claimed in a TV interview he loved me. ;)

I have no desire to follow quarktoo around, but when he goes out of his way (unprovoked I might add) to perpetrate BS about me, then I'm going to call him on it. His trouble is, he can't provide anything credible to his reasoning for doing so, because this is all just a game for him.

I trust Stefan sees this clearly, and it's only a matter of time before appropriate admin action ensues.

.99
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: poynt99 on January 27, 2011, 12:33:00 AM
You are a SPY and if not you should stick with one side.

 :D That's quite comical marco.

Good grief!  ::)

.99

Have fun with your game guys, I won't be responding any further to this nonsense.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 27, 2011, 12:44:10 AM

Have fun with your game guys, I won't be responding any further to this nonsense.


I would call that a victory for the ATS, and a blessing to the free energy movement and humanity in general.

Score - ATS 2  : Trolls 0
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 27, 2011, 03:47:36 AM
This thread is a big shit.  Children make smart talk.  Show me this.  I have a OU.  All shit. Only idiot will think that people here are spy.  Only idiot.  Why spy wast time here?  Ha!  Children play here and serious person shovel the shit. 

Meyer not make car run on road but only do test.  He had brother with patent but no water pumps for your auto.  Maybe it works but is not practical.

Plasma tube by Corea only make 1kw with pulses output.  Erosion of cathode is still problem?   Maybe that where the 1kw comes from.  Like mutipactor.

Stiffler device is like Avramenko Plug.  Tesla show this in notes with two coils on transformer.  Stiffler still only makes light?

Today I cut wood.   This warm you twice so is OU.  Ha!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 27, 2011, 03:55:05 AM
Today I cut wood.   This warm you twice so is OU.  Ha!
;D this is, of course, due to acceleration and deceleration... ha!
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 27, 2011, 04:00:16 AM
I'll ignore that shovel full.

Dole says he posted his cold electricity schematic over on the Kapanadzi thread and I found it at about page 241. The details are very vague. Does anybody have a schematic or more detail?

Also - Dole is onto the gas plasma possibility of the kapandzi and posts a nice quote from tesla on the subject.

Also - Wilby the clown and others like that, all you do is incite people and try and extract info. Why don't you go away. Otherwise, you only pollute the thread with your nothingness but then that is clearly your only goal

Why Hartman would allow that to go on for thousands of posts is a bit of a mystery.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 27, 2011, 05:59:41 AM
No cold electricty on 239 240 or 241.

Kapanadze use mass field effect of coil.  No plasma.  No gas.  Spark gap is small to make pulse fast.  Try on bench and you see.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on January 27, 2011, 08:52:42 AM
...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated
and yet you cannot demonstrate a working free energy device..

Actually i can show several ive build.
...

but not a working one.
Or prove it!

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on January 27, 2011, 11:17:29 AM
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With your attitude, I am sure you will never invent anything.
...

As almost all others!
Obviously your are not able to distinguish between those who doesn't invent because they did not yet have the good idea despite the fact they have some real ideas that they experiment and dismiss, and those who have many ideas but all wrong, generally misinterpret conventional results, are too stupid to understand their errors, too egocentric to recognize them, claim FE each time they play with magnets, and get useless patents, when they have nothing.
If an interesting invention appears one day, it will surely come from the first category of people, less visible because modest and harder working. It will not come from the second one that we can consider as a reservoir of conspicuous gurus for irrational believers and followers.

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on January 27, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
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Today I cut wood.   This warm you twice so is OU.  Ha!

Congratulation Ghost_Rider. It is much more interesting than Meyer's device.
You should patent for your great invention.
 ;)

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on January 27, 2011, 01:04:57 PM
I totally buy that. XS-NRG is a God of fabrication and knowledge of plasma transformers.

Speaking of which - That Kapandazi device could also contain nitrogen. Tesla experimented with high pressure nitrogen and the K Capture worked that way.

http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/feg2.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/feg/feg2.htm)

Re tesla car from the piece I linked

ere was also some kind of hydraulic pressure gauge on the dash. Peter asked its purpose but Dr Tesla would not tell him."
   

   Tesla used nitrogen baths for cooling his primaries.   Most particle accelerators cool the containment magnet windings.  Just a random observation.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: quarktoo on January 27, 2011, 01:40:35 PM
   

   Tesla used nitrogen baths for cooling his primaries.   Most particle accelerators cool the containment magnet windings.  Just a random observation.
Could be - The "high pressure" nitrogen quote can from a physics teacher and experimenter which is different from liquid nitrogen. But back to cold electricity.

I really want to understand what Dole had going with his cold electricity demo. Any info. on replicating would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 27, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Actually i can show several ive build.
...


but not a working one.
Or prove it!

Give me one good reason.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on January 27, 2011, 06:25:45 PM
We can measure resistance, but True Cold electricity does not show up on our meters, because there is no electron flow, yet it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.
like this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg218520#msg218520

so, i've met one qualification of 'cold electricity'... is that it? or are there others as well?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 27, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Ghost_Rider on January 28, 2011, 04:30:01 AM
Soon all will have.  ;-)
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: XS-NRG on January 28, 2011, 05:29:56 AM
hey men what's up with the sleeplijn moordenaar?
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
Ghost_rider
Quote:
Soon all will have.  ;-)
---------------

What do you mean?

Chet
PS
HEY HOLLYWOOD..............
Watcha doin??
Makin movies or buildin stuff??.................
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: WilbyInebriated on February 03, 2011, 10:57:50 PM
so, i've met one qualification of 'cold electricity'... is that it? or are there others as well?

where are you heavy hitters that know all about CE?? marco? polo? quarky?
are there other qualifications or not? and if yes, what are they? because i've probably met those as well.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: gravityblock on February 04, 2011, 02:39:48 AM
Below is a quote from mk1 posted on energeticforum, http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7312-electric-field-2.html#post128787

Quote
@all

I have to bring this forth because i think it relates here , i have recently learn that i you have make 2 coils one of iron and one of copper exactly the same , if you connect each coil to a battery the same way , the copper coil and iron coil will show opposite polarity .

So this means that the current either flows in opposite direction Or its only the reaction to the current that is opposite .

But after a few days of thinking about it i will speculate that by using copper wire only we are using only half of it , leading to dead a battery ...

The NS coil was bifillar Fe Cu , and showed operating specs really low .

If they are really opposite , they should theoretically cancel each other (not showing on scope ) but the NS coil showed that it worked anyway .

I therefore think all we know of is the electric field and reaction to ferromagnetic , but never even had a chance to look the magnetic current .

I could go on and on but , but a am not sure it will make sense to anyone .

Mark

I think we need to look into this further.

GB
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: exnihiloest on February 04, 2011, 11:12:38 AM
Give me one good reason.

The goal of this forum, which is dedicated neither to fiction nor to biblical-like speech ("in truth I say to you, my AA battery generates 100 MW thanks to my energy amplifier. No proof. No schematics. Believe me!  :P").

Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: TeslaTolman on April 12, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Cold electricity is for real! I prefer to call it "cold current" since apparently there is no "electrons" flowing through the output. The electron flow is slower than the cold current charge. So if you hold back the electrons and allow the charge to flow, then you get power without the heat. There are certain characteristics of cold current which gives it an awesome potential! From what I have read and understand is that with cold current, motors run cold and even frost up under a load; the heavier the load, the more the output increases to meet the load until a thresh-hold is met.(By the way, you need to have a load in order to tap the CC effectively.) CC is not over-unity by itself, but should be most appropriate form of energy to use for "free energy devices". I would guess that CC is about 80% more efficient than conventional electricity. Also, light bulbs can be lit with just one wire or none at all! Cold current can be transmitted as well. The light bulbs will be cool to the touch, glow with a more bluish spectrum and brighter! You can also submerge the bulb in a cup of water and put your hand into it without any shock or harm! (Much safer! Just one of many reasons to pursue it further.) Cold current may even have healing properties as well.

Several circuits are readily available for small scale cold currents such as Dr. Stiffler's cold electricity circuit, the Slayer Exciter, and the Joule thief. Of course the great Nikola Tesla first discovered the phenomenon, but since then only a handful of people have made any progress in almost 100 years! EV Gray comes to mind...Also, Peter Lindemann has a book called "Secrets of Cold Electricity" which you should find very
helpful.

Ed Leedskalnin who built Coral Castle explains magnetic current and there are some of his experiments you can try. Very simple but intriguing.

I've created and transmitted cold current by following Tesla's inventions. I took a car battery, an ignition coil, and some circuitry with a spark gap. I made a collector tube and a coil to direct the radiant energy...Then I magnetically quenched the spark gap the high voltage spark gap, as suggested by Tesla. This is a very important key factor as magnetically quenching the spark gap prevents the electron flow and allows just the charge to continue across the gap. Also, this greatly increases the frequency, and thus the energy levels! You must get I believe, 50,000 pulses per second or faster of high voltage DC spikes for the effects. I took an almuminium pie pan and put a wire on it and put it into ONLY the ground of my wall outlet, I then took a cfl and touched it to the pie pan and it lit up! Wireless transmission of cold current!

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Magnethos on April 12, 2012, 03:20:49 PM
TeslaTolman
Can you post your schematic of the Cold electricity wireless transfer?
Well, a bout cold electricity I've to say that it's an electron deficient form of electricity. Electrons are not flowing, so there is not power and/or watts.
Conventional electricity is a very inefficient form of energy manifestation, because with electromagnetism you're dissipating a huge amount of power in form of heat. You can see this phenomenom better in AC electricity.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: sparks on May 06, 2012, 10:36:19 PM
  Static electricity is pretty cold.  If we pump up a dc capacitor to it's max and extend the capacitor leads there exists between the two leads an electric field.  Say a free electron is injected into this gap near the negative terminal.  This electron would be accelerated away from this terminal and towards the positive terminal.  Now add a magnetic field near the positive terminal so this free accelerated electron never reaches the positive terminal.  Have it smash into a collector plate and slow down quickly.  This will produce photons.  Don't kill the dipole in the words of Bearden. Use the photons to free up more electrons near the negative cap terminal.  Something like working a vacuum tube in reverse.  Free electrons injected on the grid, then accelerated by the anode to cathode electric field, then colliding with a collector which becomes heated.  The heated collector (photon generator) is then used to do work some of which is supplying free electrons to accelerate and deflect.
Title: Re: Cold Electricity
Post by: Bob Smith on May 07, 2012, 12:56:56 AM
Teslatolman,
Congratulations! Here's a video you might enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKlmnsmMgk&list=UUILEE40HKtAtLsnnwYAe75Q&index=5&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKlmnsmMgk&list=UUILEE40HKtAtLsnnwYAe75Q&index=5&feature=plcp)
Bob