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Offline ouguru4u

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2010, 02:46:18 AM »
Very nice coil you have in the Magnetic Resonance youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSowLrufs0&feature=channel

Can you provide instructions for that coil design?

Thanks!

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Re: Cold Electricity
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2010, 03:42:37 PM »
I think this is the link to Tesla's schematic (had to condense spaces and change commas to periods in link given on YT video):
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#35
Looking forward to hearing more about this one.

@Magnethos - great intro to CE. I'm anxious to see your summary when you've made it available.
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2010, 05:30:09 PM »
@Bob
The problem is making one or another energy system is that people want to build a working device. But the question is no that, the question is "How energy really works".

We know that classical electromagnetics theory is incomplete. But a lot of people is still trying to do a vacuum energy extractor using electromagnetism. Reading the Ohm's law and thinking by yourself, you can think that anything is missed in the classic theory.

The planet earth is an inmense reservoir of static energy, but people say that "they need amperes". Amperes are the system losses in form of heat. But you can demostrate this with Ohm's Law with very simple experiments.

If people are looking for more amperage, they are looking for more losses.
And you need to remember that anyone cannot have gains in a system based on losses.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2010, 05:30:09 PM »
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2010, 08:11:28 PM »
Quote
The problem is making one or another energy system is that people want to build a working device. But the question is no that, the question is "How energy really works".

We know that classical electromagnetics theory is incomplete. But a lot of people is still trying to do a vacuum energy extractor using electromagnetism. Reading the Ohm's law and thinking by yourself, you can think that anything is missed in the classic theory.

The planet earth is an inmense reservoir of static energy, but people say that "they need amperes". Amperes are the system losses in form of heat. But you can demostrate this with Ohm's Law with very simple experiments.

If people are looking for more amperage, they are looking for more losses.
And you need to remember that anyone cannot have gains in a system based on losses.

@ Magnethos,
Thanks for your feedback - I am in complete agreement.

We are indeed enmeshed in a system designed to produce losses, that generates a profit for those who manufacture and maintain its antequated and inefficient technologies.

I agree with you, that we need to approach this problem with a new paradigm that describes the true working of electricity. Standard textbooks have given us a very incomplete and misleading picture.  Most people I've spoken to arrogantly assert that there is simply no other way of understanding electricity.

I believe the solution is for us to continue sharing our progress and insights as we  uncover systems which tap into the sea of energy surrounding us.

I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on this subject.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2010, 08:58:59 PM »
@ Magnethos,
Thanks for your feedback - I am in complete agreement.

We are indeed enmeshed in a system designed to produce losses, that generates a profit for those who manufacture and maintain its antequated and inefficient technologies.

I agree with you, that we need to approach this problem with a new paradigm that describes the true working of electricity. Standard textbooks have given us a very incomplete and misleading picture.  Most people I've spoken to arrogantly assert that there is simply no other way of understanding electricity.

I believe the solution is for us to continue sharing our progress and insights as we  uncover systems which tap into the sea of energy surrounding us.

I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on this subject.

Don't worry about that, most people will say you "that is impossible!". Of course, each one is freely to choose his thoughts. Some will say you that because they're educated in a way that they don't accept to look at pseudoscientific science, other will admit that could be true but they don't want to believe in that thing, etc...

I met a man here in the country I live, that has invented a free energy device in the 1960s. He also invented a wireless telephone and an electrotherapeutic device. A lot of people from around the world have met him (including nasa and ford) and some people have said that his machine is impossible and he need to be using some nuclear battery to do that.
So, there are some people that, seeing with their own eyes a free energy device, they don't believe in that things.

The man told us that he learnt those thing experimenting day and night (he says that he cannot sleep). In the newspapers he has in his wall, I read that "I have a very good books, but no one explains the things I know." also, there is a quote that says "All the classical books would be burnt to understand the machine". So, he wants to say that classical theory is incomplete. Usually the people that have built some free energy devices, say that.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2010, 08:58:59 PM »
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Offline dole

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2010, 01:09:11 AM »
@ouguru4u, @Magnethos
It would be my pleasure to explain what I did but it could be completely wrong so please I am still studding different phenomena.
Yes this is simple an condenser discharge on a both side of the coil connected in a parallel and discharge through the thick copper pipe or a wire. Exactly as in the mentioned link, and similar to the hairpin,  I used the rotary spark gap, but what I found important is stated in the original notes (standing wave), further important rule is a exactly equal symmetry, length to fix nodes and of course induction and capacity and input frequency. I did not have more than 50Hz at that moment so then resonant frequency is omega=314 rad/s for 50HZ and respectively chosen capacity and induction.
This is the real Tesla primary, here I may insert in series with primary thick U bar and light incandescent light bulb. I am still studding resonance and a excitation only in the primary.
Same principle is used for the ferrite core coil excitation.

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« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 07:05:31 AM by dole »

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2010, 03:43:48 AM »
Dole appears to be using Naudin's circuit that attempts to replicate the claimed free energy device of Kapanadze.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/

There are lots of tricks that have been recycled over the years make people think they have a free energy device using a light bulb. Most are just self deluded from what I have seen and I have seen a bunch of them.

Increasing voltage will increase the amount of light from a bulb. Voltage is stepped down from the power lines so you don't have electric arcs coming out of the wall socket but the power to your home would be much more efficient if it were not. Not having a wall fire or getting electrocuted every time you try and plug something in is what you get for stepping it down.

What you don't see in any of the Naudin replications is a self running device and that is always the final jury. Another thing you don't see is a proper measurement of voltage and current. Instead you see output measured here, lux measured there, etc. What? Nobody has a scope or ability to measure true RMS? Nobody has heard of Fourier analysis?

I seriously doubt that they have replicated anything more than a joule thief which uses an unsaturable reactor to step up voltage and people believe that equals more power as they use a light bulb to measure output.

That is not science, free energy or anything that is not understood. Just the self delusion of the uneducated masses.

Here are the basic rules regarding free energy devices:

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

3. E=MC2 is the formula that is used to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass. Instead of "E", Einstein should have called it "MTAE" (mass to atomic energy conversion) MTAEC=MC2. The more you accelerate the mass, the more energy you can convert and it does violate any laws of thermodynamics. It is free energy in an economic sense since the universe compressed energy into the mass and it takes less energy to extract it than what you get out.

Energy is not the ability to do work, that would be potential energy. M=E (mass = energy) just as Maxwell stated. Again Einstein screwed up someone else's work and that was about all he ever did in his over hyped useless life.

Electricity itself is mass to atomic energy conversion and once you understand what electricity is, how all free energy devices work is obvious. Just locate the mass being converted and the method of acceleration and you understand how it works.

It is so simple and yet so elusive to most since in order to understand it, they have to UNlearn something that is not true. Me thinks Einstein was working for his friend Rockafeller or JP Morgan. Einstein was pretty much dismissed by real scientists just a few years after e=mc2. He hid it in plain sight.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 04:20:55 AM by quarktoo »

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Re: Cold Electricity
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2010, 04:10:33 AM »
Here are the basic rules regarding free energy devices:

1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

...

the above is flawed logic, similar to the 'all swans are white' logical fallacy...

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2010, 04:22:42 AM »
  The electron inertia in a 1s orbital in electrical terms computes to 1 milliampere of current.  That is alot of current in just one tiny spot.  Now if you combine the currents in one mole of atoms you have 6 times 10 to the 20 amperes.  That is an astounding amount of mass in motion.  When mass in motion slows down it emits photons or quantom inertia.  The rate at which it slows down will determine the wavelength of the emitted photons.  When they slow down at the end of a brief acceleration in a vacuum tube they emit xrays.  When you get them to slow down and emit ultraviolet light it ionizes air molecules which then causes more electrons to get cut loose from the air molecules which are subsequently slowed down until your first litlle push in one atom has a whole mole of atoms accelerated in a common direction.  They hit a target with billions of times the energy of the input.

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Re: Cold Electricity
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2010, 04:33:51 AM »
BEMF is the emf generated in a wire next to a wire with current flowing through it, which is in opposition to the first current.

It is not magnetic field collapse or backward time.

If cold electricity involves a movement of electrons or is BEMF - why is there no magnetic field associated with it?

Because it is slightly superluminal?

An electric arc produces cold electricity and it is the negative E? - see Paul Dirac. Mass is being converted into energy in an electric arc and as such, electrons and other free charge carriers are flowing to the arc at light speed.

Electrons on the other hand move down a wire at a speed of less than 1 meter per minute. The shockwave positive voltage is caused by the Ahanorov Bohm effect as charge carriers from the electron sea are cavitated on the conductor surrounding an inductor and converted into potential energy - that is what electricity is, mass to atomic energy conversion. This knowledge is suppressed as it is key to understanding how free energy devices work.

If people understood that, then they would look for ways to accelerate those charge carriers and increase the amount of mass being converted.

There is a Canadian guy that is selling a free energy device and he appeared on a inventor TV show. He stated that the transformer would have to be rewound every few years. I suspect the reason for that is that the accelerated charge carriers on the copper wire will erode the insulation.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 05:30:32 AM by quarktoo »

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2010, 04:37:34 AM »
the above is flawed logic, similar to the 'all swans are white' logical fallacy...

Naturally you don't see the irony of what you just stated and how you just stated the same thing only in the negative.

You also offer nothing but your own negative projection of generality and confusion as proof which is not proof. It is just a giant black hole sucking the intelligent life out of this thread.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2010, 04:40:15 AM »
  The electron inertia in a 1s orbital in electrical terms computes to 1 milliampere of current.  That is alot of current in just one tiny spot.  Now if you combine the currents in one mole of atoms you have 6 times 10 to the 20 amperes.  That is an astounding amount of mass in motion.  When mass in motion slows down it emits photons or quantom inertia.  The rate at which it slows down will determine the wavelength of the emitted photons.  When they slow down at the end of a brief acceleration in a vacuum tube they emit xrays.  When you get them to slow down and emit ultraviolet light it ionizes air molecules which then causes more electrons to get cut loose from the air molecules which are subsequently slowed down until your first litlle push in one atom has a whole mole of atoms accelerated in a common direction.  They hit a target with billions of times the energy of the input.

Yes sparks, a vacuum is one method of acceleration. Magnetic compression (see Thane Heinz) is another and there are many more.

I like magnetic compression as it is as simple to understand as pulling the string of a bow before shooting the arrow. Thane will someday figure out how to use a bifilar coil to pluck the electrons off the coil and increase flow as Stan Meyer did.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 05:32:36 AM by quarktoo »

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2010, 05:27:18 AM »
My apologies to xdole as I may have made an error in my evaluation of his device. He does not appear to be doing what Naudin is doing upon a closer examination of his coil.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Xdole#p/u/1/wQSowLrufs0

He may very well be he first person to actually demonstrate cold electricity however without replication, it is all quite useless.

If you look at his coil, you see wires going back in the opposite direction. This appears to be somewhat similar to what Norm Wootan (sorry if I got that name wrong) was doing. Regardless, it appears that he could have the basic construct of a coil that produces acceleration there.

I would be interested to know if the nail is emitting BETA radiation and I would damn sure like to replicate that. I have everything required if you are willing to share your plans. If not, what are you doing here xdole?

What happens if you place a magnet at one end of the nail? I would love to see a video of that!

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2010, 06:56:15 AM »
Naturally you don't see the irony of what you just stated and how you just stated the same thing only in the negative.

You also offer nothing but your own negative projection of generality and confusion as proof which is not proof. It is just a giant black hole sucking the intelligent life out of this thread.
naturally you don't see the megalomania of what you stated...
what i see is you claiming to have knowledge of "ALL" free energy devices. which means knowledge of every free energy device past, present and future, which is obviously delusional. ::) furthermore, you have no evidence of your claims.
you have no evidence of this:
1. All free energy devices convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

and you have no evidence of this:
2. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass (think atom smasher) into potential energy.

as an aside, weren't you the guy who was all sycophantic just a short time ago?
I have no idea who you are but I finally found someone that THINKS like I do or even at all. You live in reality and that is difficult to find. You understand that words have meaning and the difference between a magical thought and reality. The direct and logical way you not only express those thoughts but stand your ground tells me that you have integrity at all thought levels.

I have searched the web for such a creature that has the same interests and thought processes as myself and had all but given up.

WilbyInebriated, if you would be willing to be my lord and savior, I would be honored.  ;D

Sorry I gushed out my emotions there but just needed to take a moment to worship quite possibly the only other sane human on Earth.

PS - Are you hiring disciples? You do have a book deal yet? Christ didn't get a book deal until several hundred years after his death and it was written by people that had never met him and then edited thousands of times by people that had never met the writers.
yeah, that was you... what happened to your integrity???

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2010, 09:11:51 AM »
"be my lord and savior"
thats one to crack a beer to lol


What exactly is "cold electricity" ???

isn't ALL electricity "cold", beyond the ionization point of air,
at some.... 7150V ??? (at least until it hits something......)


 

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