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Offline sigma16

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #180 on: September 13, 2010, 05:01:13 AM »
The part no one talks about is what the change in mass does to the space around it.


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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #180 on: September 13, 2010, 05:01:13 AM »

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #181 on: September 13, 2010, 05:20:00 AM »
Sorry sparks but that was pure disinfo. regarding Meyer. I am one of the few people that have photos of Meyers circuit boards and there is nothing you stated that agrees with his circuit boards, photos, his notes or for that matter anything that Puharich stated.

I also have high res photos of his alternator board. Your comment was pure disinfo.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2010, 06:07:22 AM »
   I was referring to a patent of his where he was using ultraviolet light diodes to ionize air.  I have absolutely no idea what he was doing electronically to do this in his voltage intensifier circuits.  But as I noted you need to transmit two frequencys to ionize the oxygen and the nitrogen.  You also need to control magnetiic fields throughout the ionizing chamber to deaccelerate the electrons in order to create more uv light.  I have not studied Myers extensively but what he was trying to achieve was a kit that could be supplied that would modify existing vehicles.  Alot of the stuff he did like messing with the alternator output waveform and frequency was I believe efforts to this end.  He stated that the primed fluid was mixed with an inert gas and supplied to the expansion chamber.  I believe his primed fluid was air undergoing selfpowered ionization.  When the inert gas mixed with the ionizing air it absorbed the radiation and amounted into thermal expansion of the inert gas.  He may have had some hydrolosis going on but he stated that the hydrogen produced was a byproduct and could be used later in the process for thermally driven reactions.  It is just my take on this process.   The water could have been used as an attention grabber and missinformation on his part.  I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.  Resonance is only a form of energy storage.  Mass to energy is the real deal.  Proven over and over again.  The problem is that disinformation is spread by the powers that be as to what mass scources you can use to do this.  An atom has a definite mass with the electrons included.  Then when the electrons are gone its mass is altered.  I dont give a shit if it emits alpha beta gamma quarks leptons neutrinos gluons etc etc.  you alter the mass of that atom it will proceed as Einstein and others predictied.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2010, 06:07:22 AM »
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Offline sparks

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #183 on: September 13, 2010, 06:25:38 AM »
  @Sigma

  If mass warps spacetime to create gravity effects altering this mass would appear to alter gravity effects.  So instead of the Earth falling down in a dimple in the spacetime continoum grid  created by the mass of the Sun a considerable loss of mass from the sun all of a sudden might cause the Earth to start falling out a relative pimple in the spacetime continoum.  Surfing a gravity wave of sorts.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2010, 07:06:32 AM »
I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.
Agreed  - resonance is not OU but then I don't know anyone but the mouth breather brigade that has made that claim.

Resonance is known in chemistry as mesomeric effect and is how you get the electron bouncing to its highest orbit and thus has its weakest connection to the atom. Then the laser light comes along and knocks that electron away from the atom.

If you look at the absorpsion bands of oxygen, you see the strongest one at 752nm which would have been the "red" LED laser wavelength that Meyer was using. He didn't care about nitrogen as that is cast off and the OZONE  or O3 is what is then mixed in an ultrasonic resonant chamber to bond the O3 to the H2O to form H2O2.

I have spelled this out before in clear detail. Meyer's notes are filled with it and Puharich, who was doing the same thing and also gave away a great deal of info.

Ultrasonic energy combines things together unless there is a force pulling them apart such as voltage or electrostatic potential.

Meyer locked up all the hydrogen production processes and unless you spell out which process, people get confused and argue. His final process is the one I just spelled out.

He slowly moved the components in miniature form into the injector. His first injector used silver as a catalyst to flash the H2O2 into superheated steam which for a tiny moment breaks the hydrogen bond to produce HHO.

That last part of the process is what causes a superheated steam explosion in a boiler. You don't have the silver acting as a catalyst but the H2O molecule goes from great pressure and temp to low pressure and temp in a split second and this creates a cavitation at the molecule slams together. Then when it expands back out from that split second compressed state, the bond is momentarily broken. A spark or the static produced will ignite the water.

Stan Meyer made rocket fuel and that is why he needed an aluminum engine. Hydrogen peroxide is best stored in aluminum containers as the oxygen layer that bonds to aluminum keeps the aluminum from corroding and contaminating the H2O2 making it unstable.

H2O2 would be too corrosive to use in a steel engine.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2010, 07:06:32 AM »
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #185 on: September 13, 2010, 09:03:22 AM »
Not to sound detractive, but if Meyer was forming H2O2, and it's too corrosive for steel, then what would any of the engines this system were attached to be using for liners?  Heads, fine.  Block, Fine.  Al won't handle the piston ring abrasion, nor would an al ring be functional.

Would the possibility of Chrome plated to these parts be a possibility?

I am aware of the "Cross Country" trip in an automotive application, as well as the applications for aircraft certification, and never heard of this type of corrosive problem mentioned, before.

Just curious, as there is so much more Meyer info out there than I could ever be aware of.

You are thinking that H2O2 is pumped into the cylinder and then ignited however none of Meyer's injectors worked that way. The H2O2 is ignited as it leaves the injector and so none or very little H2O2 actually ever makes it into the cylinder. It has already been converted into flame.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #186 on: September 13, 2010, 10:16:19 PM »
I have not been able to find a reference that places the NMR of iron at 21.5 MHz.  However, this is a common frequency for NMR spectrometers to operate at.

The text that is missing was moved to the outlook section.  I cannot vouch for the 7 pages missing.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #186 on: September 13, 2010, 10:16:19 PM »
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2010, 02:31:51 AM »
   Loner my annagram was wrong.  Ice is cool.  Ionization Cascade Event.   ICE.     

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #188 on: September 14, 2010, 01:18:09 PM »
      If an electron in a 1s orbital responds to an electric field or the orbital is altered by a magnetic field what force is there to keep the electron from colliding with the neucleus.   I see the binding energy of an electron as well bound energy.  This bound energy is accessible wherever we find electrons bound to a neucleus.  A conductor pocessing many ionized atoms conducts the electric field but does not really offer any chance of producing one.  But anyway if there is enough bound energy in a 1s orbital and the electron is jumping orbitals and it misses the 1s and collides with the neucleus is there a chance that the binding energy of the neucleus suddenly is unbound!

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #188 on: September 14, 2010, 01:18:09 PM »
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #189 on: September 18, 2010, 02:47:28 AM »
So Quarktoo
How about that simple experiment you spoke of?

Chet


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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #190 on: September 18, 2010, 08:18:37 PM »
I know.

Anyone else who knows, should build something, if for no other reason than to save their own ass.

E-stein and Tesla are both dead.  Who is praised and who is loathed?  Who was a talker and who was a doer?

Don't give me this "I'm broke" BULLSHIT either.   Stiffler built it and he still lives.   

Fuck the damn trolls - let's get it on!
according to the all-knowing tinselkoala, stiffler has nothing... good thing he took his ball and went home or i'm sure he would set you straight. ;)
Look, I personally believe that if any of these efforts will pay off, it will be the electronic ones. That's a big IF.
Now, as to Stiffler's stuff: I've been playing with similar circuits for nearly 50 years, and I have the smoking scars on my fingers to prove it. You can criticise me and flame me all you want and it won't change the facts: Stiffler is demonstrating well-known RF phenomena and dressing it up in his own fancy language and terminology. You can either follow his teachings and get thoroughly confused, or you can pick up a sophomore EE textbook and actually learn something useful.
Meanwhile, I'm concentrating on the easy stuff: gravity wheels, magnet motors, and buoyancy drives (and you can see how hard it is even with these obvious losers). So go pick on somebody else, because I'm not interested in arguing with you about "Dr." Stiffler.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #190 on: September 18, 2010, 08:18:37 PM »
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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #191 on: September 18, 2010, 09:18:53 PM »
Wilby
Well I asked TK to come back for a look at the new released TPU info!

Chet

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #192 on: September 18, 2010, 09:32:09 PM »
Wilby
Well I asked TK to come back for a look at the new released TPU info!

Chet
oh goody! the great tk might grace us with his opinion ::) not quite sure what any of that has to do with stiffler... new released? it's nothing more than a rehash of what was said before. furthermore, it (the tpu 'info') is mostly conjecture and assumption by spherics, he/she/it never built what he/she/it proselytized about.

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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #193 on: September 18, 2010, 11:45:40 PM »
W
How bored with life would a person have to be ?,to go thru all that work [the newest TPU info]
Just for Ha Ha s

The word in the bushes is he worked for the Peeps that built the TPU.

Having this new info out in the open, like it now is ,has got to help to put this to rest once and for all,one way or the other.

Chetty


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Re: Cold Electricity
« Reply #194 on: September 18, 2010, 11:54:23 PM »
I like TK   He an I had some differences at once but I fully respect him. I wish he were around, his input is valuable in any topic.

I think he got shut down on the whipmag. If he did, he couldnt say due to it would be a real deal admittance to if it worked or not. The rest is just hear say.

Tk hasnt been up to much lately. I check his YT here n there.

Mags

 

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