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Cold Electricity
turbo:
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM ---
You first say that cold electricity drags the electrons,
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It starts as massless cold electricity, then drags the electrons and becomes conventional electricity.
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then you say at the end, electricity is not electron flow.
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That is correct, the electron flow is a secondary effect.
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM ---
You also said true cold electricity is without electron flow and it can burn a filament bulb on one wire.
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That is correct also, and you can even try this yourself.
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM ---
Doesn't the wire that is being burned from the cold electricity have free electrons in it, that would be dragged by this cold electricity in order to cause the bulb to light?
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In the first place, if the bulb is burning on one wire, we have a setup that behaves like a open loop, this means close to infinite resistance, and according to the classical viewpoint electrons also do not flow in open loop.
Second ,In fact, there is no part in our classical books that explains why the bulb lites up, yet it does.
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 07:30:45 PM ---
Replace those filament wires with a wire that doesn't have free electrons and see if the bulb lights with either cold electricity or "true cold electricity", since according to you, electricity isn't electron flow.
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This type of electricity moves over wires, not through wires, it flows over the (dielectric) surface and has got nothing to do with electrons.
Marco.
gravityblock:
--- Quote from: -[marco]- on April 30, 2009, 10:00:51 PM ---
This type of electricity moves over wires, not through wires, it flows over the (dielectric) surface and has got nothing to do with electrons.
Marco.
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The bulb should light with your theory of "true cold electricity", if the filament wires don't have free electrons, since this type of electricity doesn't have anything to do with electrons, but it doesn't.....so your theory that electricity isn't electron flow can not be correct.
You're right, it has nothing to do with electrons, but has everything to do with photons in regards to what your referring to. Now, tell me that the photons aren't responsible for the photovoltaic effect in a solar panel that causes electrons to move to provide an electrical current. Will the photons that hit a photovoltaic cell provide an electrical current if no electrons move? Of course not.
In physics, virtual photons are said to be the magnetic field of flux in a magnet, which causes electrons to flow and provide electricity. These photons can only do work by moving electrons. No electrons to move, then no work can be done by these photons.
Cold electricity uses the negative time flow of the magnetic field which converts the virtual photons into electrons and is replenished by the aether. Hot electricity uses forward time flow of the magnetic field, which scatters the electrons into virtual photons (heat) which replenishes the aether. As you can see, the cold electricity I am referring to is the reverse process of hot electricity.
Also, the electrons don't move through the wire either.....they move on the surface of the wires.
--- Quote from: -[marco]- on April 30, 2009, 10:00:51 PM ---In the first place, if the bulb is burning on one wire, we have a setup that behaves like a open loop, this means close to infinite resistance, and according to the classical viewpoint electrons also do not flow in open loop.
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It only looks like an open loop. The loop is closed due to space/time being short circuited.
Grumpy:
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 09:45:49 PM ---We experience it in forward time as BEMF that runs cool and not hot.
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BEMF is the emf generated in a wire next to a wire with current flowing through it, which is in opposition to the first current.
It is not magnetic field collapse or backward time.
If cold electricity involves a movement of electrons or is BEMF - why is there no magnetic field associated with it?
Grumpy:
--- Quote from: gravityblock on April 30, 2009, 11:44:52 PM ---Then the bulb should light with "true cold electricity" if the filament wires don't have free electrons, but it doesn't.....so your theory that electricity isn't electron flow can not be correct.
Also, the electrons don't move through the wire either.....they move on the surface of the wires.
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Foursescent bulbs do not have a filament.
gravityblock:
--- Quote from: Grumpy on April 30, 2009, 11:52:44 PM ---Foursescent bulbs do not have a filament.
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Then replace the circuitry with wires that don't have free electrons, and the bulb will not light. The florescent bulbs you are referring to works on the principals of an electrical current exciting the gas to give off ultraviolet photons which hits the electrons in the phosphor that causes the bulb to give off visible light. Remove the free electrons in the phosphor coating and the bulb will not light. Same thing with a solar panel, photons hit a certain material, which causes electrons to move that gives rise to an electrical current. No movement of electrons, then no electricity.
Why you quoting from me, Marco is the one who first mentioned the filaments in the bulb, not me. Besides, who mentioned anything about fluorescent bulbs to begin with?
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