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Author Topic: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!  (Read 32081 times)

Yortuk Festrunk

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AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« on: April 28, 2009, 01:02:36 AM »
Here is finally a solution to make a working gravity system that clearly violates NO LAWS of physics.

It is very self explanatory.

This picture is not to any certain scale. It is only to illustrate the general principle.

Pairs of rollers RELAY a weight from bottom to top. Each roller has a weight on the outside which acts to turn the roller to push the main weight up.

The now top heavy wheel turns 180° and the process starts all over again.

The biggest challenge to building this system will be synchronizing the rollers to lock and unlock in certain positions during the cycle.


I call this the RECIPROCAL TORQUE RELAY SYSTEM.
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overtaker

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 01:20:10 AM »
I see some thought went into this.  Two red weights would have to weigh considerably more than the black weight.  The black weight could trigger the catch mechanism.  I see problems with this system though.  The wheel wouldn't stop at 180deg. until it stopped swinging.  I need to study this more.
Nice thinking out of the box.  :)
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 01:25:34 AM »
Another issue is the black weight would have to be longer so it would always connect to two sets of weights or one set of red weights would have to weigh considerably more then the black weight.
I see this as locking up.  Hopefully not.
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AB Hammer

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 02:38:36 AM »
Quote from: Yortuk Festrunk on April 28, 2009, 01:02:36 AM
Here is finally a solution to make a working gravity system that clearly violates NO LAWS of physics.

It is very self explanatory.

This picture is not to any certain scale. It is only to illustrate the general principle.

Pairs of rollers RELAY a weight from bottom to top. Each roller has a weight on the outside which acts to turn the roller to push the main weight up.

The now top heavy wheel turns 180° and the process starts all over again.

The biggest challenge to building this system will be synchronizing the rollers to lock and unlock in certain positions during the cycle.


I call this the RECIPROCAL TORQUE RELAY SYSTEM.

Interesting approach.

I do have some concerns about the approach. Will the smaller weights be able to lift the beam up? I have tried several things to do just this approach and have found many factors you have to overcome.
Just as a pendulum, it increases its weight value at the bottom of the wheel. Then it has to lift against that factor which need even more counter weight value to do so.
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Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 03:12:31 AM »
Quote from: overtaker on April 28, 2009, 01:25:34 AM
I see some thought went into this.  Two red weights would have to weigh considerably more than the black weight.  The black weight could trigger the catch mechanism.  I see problems with this system though.  The wheel wouldn't stop at 180deg. until it stopped swinging.  I need to study this more.
Nice thinking out of the box.

Another issue is the black weight would have to be longer so it would always connect to two sets of weights or one set of red weights would have to weigh considerably more then the black weight.
I see this as locking up.  Hopefully not.

First of all, there is no "swinging" in this. It turns 180° and stops.
Secondly, I said this is not to scale. so the length of the weight in the picture is not a factor.
Thirdly, there is nothing in this set up to "lock up".

I'm sure that mechanical engineers are more likely to appreciate this design for it is easier for them to grasp the nuances of this setup.
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Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 03:18:52 AM »
Quote from: AB Hammer on April 28, 2009, 02:38:36 AM
Interesting approach.

I do have some concerns about the approach. Will the smaller weights be able to lift the beam up? I have tried several things to do just this approach and have found many factors you have to overcome.
Just as a pendulum, it increases its weight value at the bottom of the wheel. Then it has to lift against that factor which need even more counter weight value to do so.

I don't think you ever tried this exact setup before because this is a totally new design.

It has nothing to do with the way a pendulum works.

It stops, the weight goes to the top, then it turns 180° and stops again, and so on. No pendulum action involved.

As I stated above, this drawing is not to any scale. The size of an object doesn't necessarily indicate its weight.

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 03:32:52 AM »
Yortuk Festrunk

 Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz7cZ6Z7e_A&feature=channel_page
A single weight design to slide up role over and up again. On each disk with a weight will only move it so far and that is it. Also all wheel devices with weight are in a form a pendulum. In the wheel it is call a circular pendulum. All weights going down to the outer edge will have a weight increase effect. These are constants to understand in a wheel when designing. To lift the needed weight for reset requires enough weight to over come the pendulum effect as well.

 I am not saying it will not work but, you need to know what to overcome if it is to work.

Good luck.
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 03:48:12 AM »
I do appreciate the design!    Do you have an idea the weight ratio between the red weights and the black ones?   Would gears have less friction then rollers?   
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Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 04:59:48 AM »
Quote from: AB Hammer on April 28, 2009, 03:32:52 AM
Yortuk Festrunk

 Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz7cZ6Z7e_A&feature=channel_page
A single weight design to slide up role over and up again. On each disk with a weight will only move it so far and that is it. Also all wheel devices with weight are in a form a pendulum. In the wheel it is call a circular pendulum. All weights going down to the outer edge will have a weight increase effect. These are constants to understand in a wheel when designing. To lift the needed weight for reset requires enough weight to over come the pendulum effect as well.

 I am not saying it will not work but, you need to know what to overcome if it is to work.

Good luck.

I see some similarity, but there are two very important differences:

1. Your wheel has to overcome centrifugal force, which I think is what you were referring to when you compare to a pendulum. My design has the wheel come to a complete stop before the weight rises again. Centrifugal force is then not a factor.

2. Your wheel has the weight attached directly to the mechanism, which makes it very difficult to get it to work. My design has the main weight "floating" within the system. It is not directly attached. This way, it can completely separate itself from the opposite side of the wheel.

These two factors can lead you to make a working wheel.
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Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 05:05:16 AM »
Quote from: overtaker on April 28, 2009, 03:48:12 AM
I do appreciate the design!    Do you have an idea the weight ratio between the red weights and the black ones?   Would gears have less friction then rollers?   

I'm glad you appreciate the design and that you are thinking of different ways to make it work.

The counter-weights only need to be heavy enough to lift the weight straight up.

Gears may work just fine as long as it is weighted properly.

Take that picture as only a general guide. The sizes of the rollers and the length of the main weight can be different from the picture.

Remember, the key to this setup is to RELAY the weight from one part of the wheel to another.
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 02:48:44 PM »
Yortuk Festrunk

 I have had several designs that would stop momentary or near stop for an action. One was for a clock motor. I have also used spinning weights but not with gears like yours seem to be. I will be curious on how your build goes. My personal goal is to keep it spinning to get use out of the speed and kinetic effect. So when do you plan on building it?
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 02:58:46 PM »
I like the design..

Just wondering.. it looks like it would stop in absolute balance (Dead point) when the black weight is in top position?  Why would it roll to clockwise?  Or vice versa?
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 03:00:35 PM »
Yortuk Festrunk

Beautiful!!

I'd like to "play" in this box

MUCH TO SEE HERE!!

Thank you for sharing your idea open source

Chet
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Yortuk Festrunk

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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 08:24:49 PM »
Quote from: Cherryman on April 28, 2009, 02:58:46 PM
I like the design..

Just wondering.. it looks like it would stop in absolute balance (Dead point) when the black weight is in top position?  Why would it roll to clockwise?  Or vice versa?

That is a good thing for you to point out.

Actually, the picture shows a perfect vertical orientation. That is not necessary, in fact may be detrimental, for the operation of this system.

Instead of going from 6:00 to 12:00, it would have to go from slightly left of 6:00 to slightly right of 12:00.

This would place the weight at a starting point slightly to one side to ensure the wheel does not balance itself.
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Re: AMAZING New Gravity Wheel Design!
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 04:24:37 PM »
One potential solution would be to have the black weight segmented such that when it passed the upper rollers the hinged segment would 'flop' to one side. The direction could be influenced by a small counterweight or spring. A complimentary hinged segment would be at the opposite end for the next rotation.

Regards,
Charlie
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