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Author Topic: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves  (Read 23789 times)

Offline NickT

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Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« on: April 26, 2009, 05:37:36 AM »
Take a look at this video.  I don't know if it has been posted already or not ???. I have stumbled upon this video today and it looked pretty interesting.
Does anyone know on what principles it operates ? Has anyone found any patents on this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQMXzpTaIh4

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 07:14:51 PM »

I don't consider what he is showing of this a big deal. RF radio frequency EMF is being used to
electrolyse water. That is, separate it into it's components H and O gasses, when it's component
are physically mixed you get HHO gas otherwise known as browns gas. You let it move up a little
physically then ignite it and burns in a flame. The flame area probably absorbs some RF microwave
itself so it burns brighter. He doesn't show or claim overunity.

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But CF cold fusion is caused when you deposit mechanical phonons into a fluid containing
chemical hydrogen bonds and have a target material. And RF EMF could probably deposit
the phonons. So I wouldn't be surprised if he found some slight overunity associated with his
method.


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Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2009, 10:06:19 PM »
First he is not electrolysizing water, the process of electrolysis is vastly different than rf diassociation.

He does not claim ou your correct.

He is not making hho, well not just hho, and as a point of interest he does not have to ignite the flame, it auto ignites. Which is another proof that it is not electrolysis.

Cold fusion is the fusion of two hydrogen atoms into helium atoms without gamma (neutron) radiation.


Many of of have seen this video, but no one has replicated it, and few understand it. I believe it to be of some significance when used correctly.


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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
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Offline newbie123

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2009, 10:59:35 PM »
Since Kanzius hasn't publish his experiment.. You might as well consider all  the youtube videos as fraudulent.    There is nothing of value in that video.


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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2009, 11:08:15 PM »
I wouldn't call it fraud, since he had some people come in check it, and he did it on video, but I would call it a waste of his time and energy, specially considering that he had so little left. I would call it useless certainly.

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2009, 11:19:15 PM »
I don't consider what he is showing of this a big deal. RF radio frequency EMF is being used to
electrolyse water.

Is RF electrolysis even possible?      Do you have a reference?

Last time I looked into his research (Kanzius),  I couldn't find any information published on his 'salt water fire' experiment.  IMO it is fake.


Offline mscoffman

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 06:16:39 PM »

He is not making hho, well not just hho, and as a point of interest he does not have to ignite the flame, it auto ignites. Which is another proof that it is not electrolysis.

Many of of have seen this video, but no one has replicated it, and few understand it. I believe it to be of some significance when used correctly.



I am not an experimentalist but I believe him that using the correct RF frequency one
can  cause the separation of water containing the electrolyte NaCl into H and O gasses.
This person was a TV station executive and they are used to dealing with RF carriers
of many megawatts (especially UHF TV).  So having 2KW kilowatts RF out or so, which
is a largish amount of energy in his experiment wouldn't suprise me.  The catalytic way
of making industrial quantities of hydrogen gas uses raw heat I believe.The generation of
RF is generally not a very efficient process especially using the equipment that he has
(which is more interested in precision rather than efficiency.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XFLdefVYog&feature=related

In this alternate video at time 1:42 it clearly shows a BBQ grill lighter being inserted
to ignite the system. Running the small sterling engine shows the problem;
his loop efficiency is going to come out really low. I also don't like his combining
the homeopathic cancer cure and the overunity energy stuff - his experiment
should really demonstrate one or the other.

I have seen too many videos that use flames to indicate qualitative overunity
energy production when overunity needs to be proved quantitatively.

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
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Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 07:06:06 PM »
As to the eff. of this process, I have not data on it, but I would tend to agree that it is more than likely not all that great.

But look at :48 in the video and you will see the flame spontaneously occur, no ignition source needed.

And you are mistaken in the 1:42 mark, that is not a bbq lighter, it is a micropipette filled with saltwater, the test test only has water in it, as soon as the saltwater mixes it auto ignitites.

The point is not that this is OU, but it shows some properties that should be understood and investigated.

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 07:07:44 PM »
As to the eff. of this process, I have not data on it, but I would tend to agree that it is more than likely not all that great.

But look at :48 in the video and you will see the flame spontaneously occur, no ignition source needed.

And you are mistaken in the 1:42 mark, that is not a bbq lighter, it is a micropipette filled with saltwater, the test test only has water in it, as soon as the saltwater mixes it auto ignitites.

The point is not that this is OU, but it shows some properties that should be understood and investigated.

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 07:07:44 PM »
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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 11:12:16 PM »
Dr. Kanzius died earlier this year, from the cancer he was trying so hard to find a cure for (he had suffered from it for many years, even before he starting his experiments). The work goes on, and much as with Rife and others in the past, the key to it's success apparently is to find the proper F that will attack the cancer cells without killing healthy ones.

Are there ways of generating 13.56 MHz "RF" at high energy efficiency? Many here believe there is. After all, the salt water DID burn, there is significant proof of it, no one has debunked it with evidence (just knee-jerk denials), and the temp of the burn is 3,000 Deg. F .... A company in Erie, PA was working on this and many have witnessed it. Dr. Kanzius was apparently never very keen on this, i think he mainly considered it a distraction from the cancer cure which was his goal, or a way to gain more interest at least.

I think it was his bad luck to end up bucking TWO highly suppressed technology areas... Free energy AND cancer cures. 

Besides being in the local news in both Erie and in Florida, he was also featured on "60 Minutes".

Building a specialized heater and circuit to create and utilize the 3k heat would not need much in the way of energy efficiency to prove it was "over unity" (.. via calculation of BTU's alone, anyway).

The main problems would be proper RF shielding, proper venting or "scrubbing" of the mildly poisonous fumes associated from burning seawater, and a possible requirement for a special FCC license for doing it (it would interfere with "RFID" which has been assigned that range pretty much world-wide now... But the good news is that RFID is a very short-range technology and not "everywhere" like cell phones or wi-fi).

Here's a Paper on it... http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf

Kenneth says the frequency is "13.56 MHz", Mr. Rather.... And it was Dr. John Kanzius who told him so. 

May he rest in peace.

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 04:24:35 AM »
And another inventor has entered the deadpool.

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 06:20:02 PM »

Actual there was more than one Kanzius video. One shows reporters and Kanzius
standing around igniting this system with what looks like smoldering wooden splints
 - those incense sticks.

If the fluid is relatively pure salt water then the only thing that can cause a significant
combustion flame is HHO. The only alternative would be some sort of RF plasma entity.

Obviously if it is HHO, then getting to ignite would not be much of a problem. If
Kanzius didn't see it was HHO then he should have.

The other thing to be aware of is HHO flame emits optical energy in the IR infrared
part of the spectrum and CCD TV cameras are extra sensitive to IR.

Water does not burn! - HHO does.

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If you want to look at a RF radio frequency induced CF cold fusion HHO system
that is efficient and looks like it really works and has overunity gain, check out;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6170.0

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Offline TheNOP

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 07:27:04 PM »
i wonder if it is water dissociation or NaCl dissociation that start the burning process.

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Elementary sodium reacts strongly with water, according to the following reaction mechanism:

2Na(s) + 2H2O → 2NaOH(aq) + H2(g)


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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 08:14:34 PM »
This has to do with Meyl`s neutrino stuff/theories ... that old scalar waves stuff ... VVTF are scalar waves ??

This is very BIG stuff

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Re: Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2009, 08:38:05 PM »
How about someone prove that polarized RF can actually disassociate salt water?   Has anyone replicated this?     If it is possible, this technique would be consider new science, I believe..  But I haven't seen any replications (or even detailed replication information on the experiment)    ..  The patents were pretty much worthless wrt to providing details, I thought.


 

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