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Author Topic: The ever elusive magnetic motor  (Read 21060 times)

Offline YeahRight

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2009, 09:08:59 AM »
Which source have told you that Sprain failed?
There is no public statements on how things have turned out
during the development of E.M.I.L.I.E. (The name of his motor)
Or is it just your own assumption?

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2009, 09:08:59 AM »

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2009, 10:20:25 AM »
Well you can do this with a electromagnet but the idea of a permanent mag. motor is to use  only perm. magnets. Introducing a outside electrical input defeats the purpose.
Paul Sprain tried to do this when he used a paulsing system to kick the spinning rotor past the gate, but the failure of all these approaches is that it uses more energy than what is created so what is the point?
I refer to the last videos in this thread - with the rotor and the jumping stator.

What if the jumping stator is activated by altering its CG. Lets say the jumping stator is connected to a heavy sled which is moved back and forth with a rod that is attached to the spinning wheel. When the rod pushes the sled backwards on the jumping stator, its CG will move backwards and tip it up. When the rod is pulling the sled towards the wheel, the jumping stators CG will move back again so it will tip towards the wheel again.

PS! I mean that the sled is a rolling device inside the jumping statormagnet. The stator isn't moving back and forth - just the sled inside it, to allow the CG of the statormagnet to change.

Using the rod to move the jumping stator directly is to mee too obvious - it will not work. But maybe gravity can help just by changing CG. It should not take any energy to move a weight horizontally just to change CG. So gravity can do the rest of the job. Any thoughts?



The question then is how CG is changed when the magnetic field from the spinning wheel is changing. This potential difference might stop the system from running, but maybe it is worth a try.

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2009, 03:10:55 PM »
I refer to the last videos in this thread - with the rotor and the jumping stator.

What if the jumping stator is activated by altering its CG. Lets say the jumping stator is connected to a heavy sled which is moved back and forth with a rod that is attached to the spinning wheel. When the rod pushes the sled backwards on the jumping stator, its CG will move backwards and tip it up. When the rod is pulling the sled towards the wheel, the jumping stators CG will move back again so it will tip towards the wheel again.
When you are working with one of the devices you will see there is very little torque when the rotor is moving. I was able to attach a cam assembly to the bottom plate that would move the
stator mag. out of the way to allow the rotor to get past the gate, This worked just one time as the system slowed down and stopped do the the pull of the stator on the rotor. A mechanical approach simply does not work, there must be some kind of outside input to add the necessary energy to push the rotor past the gate, and therein lies the challenge and the problem.
As far as Paul's device since he has only one revolution at a time to generate enough energy to  pulse his electromagnet to move past the gate he will simply not not able to generate enough electricity.A electromagnet strong enough to accomplish this pulse would draw quite a bit of current and one revolution would not do the trick. Remember with strong enough magnets he could in even just one revolution generate a nice pulse to his electromagnet but the resulting gate is that much greater. With this type of approach the gateresistance will always be more than what can be produced to move through it.

PS! I mean that the sled is a rolling device inside the jumping statormagnet. The stator isn't moving back and forth - just the sled inside it, to allow the CG of the statormagnet to change.

Using the rod to move the jumping stator directly is to mee too obvious - it will not work. But maybe gravity can help just by changing CG. It should not take any energy to move a weight horizontally just to change CG. So gravity can do the rest of the job. Any thoughts?



The question then is how CG is changed when the magnetic field from the spinning wheel is changing. This potential difference might stop the system from running, but maybe it is worth a try.

Vidar
When you build one of these devices you will see there is very little torque any mechanical attachment will simply stop it.

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2009, 03:10:55 PM »
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Offline billmehess

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2009, 03:32:33 PM »
Which source have told you that Sprain failed?
There is no public statements on how things have turned out
during the development of E.M.I.L.I.E. (The name of his motor)
Or is it just your own assumption?
I built one of these it was obvious right away that the electomagnet needs more energy than the one revolution can produce to push the rotor past the stator. If this had worked for Paul I am  sure we would have heard about it by now somewhere. At least when he would have picked up his Nobel prize.

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2009, 03:52:04 PM »
I built one of these it was obvious right away that the electromagnet needs more energy than the one revolution can produce to push the rotor past the stator. If this had worked for Paul I am  sure we would have heard about it by now somewhere. At least when he would have picked up his Nobel prize.

You shouldn't be so fast in making a conclusion in this matter.
1) Did you use the proper stator spiral, e'g an archimedean spiral, that develops the most torque?
2) Did you calculate the best angular slope of this spiral?
3) Did you make the electromagnet of the best high permeability alloy with very low hysteresis loss?
4) Did you pulse the electromagnet correctly? As stated pulse timing and duration is everything.
    The slightest error in handling the EM vill detoriate the OU effect.
5) Did you measure the shaft torque correctly, or simply tried a connected generator in closed loop?

Not just anyone can build an Overunity Wankel. It takes skill and "know how" to reach the goal.

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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2009, 03:52:04 PM »
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Re: The ever elusive magnetic motor
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2009, 10:45:39 PM »
When you build one of these devices you will see there is very little torque any mechanical attachment will simply stop it.
It's not much torque, but it should be possible to increase by changing the design a bit.

 

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