Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Hydrogen energy => Cooking and heating with HHO => Topic started by: hartiberlin on April 22, 2009, 08:12:41 PM

Title: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: hartiberlin on April 22, 2009, 08:12:41 PM
Hi All,
something like this can be used to cook your meal without any pollution
in your room due to the gas burning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64D2He2q2KU


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: Nabo00o on April 23, 2009, 12:52:06 AM
Hey that's a really useful video, it shows that experimental fuel research can also be converted into home cooking ;D
But isn't hydroxy gas a combination of both hydrogen and oxygen? Doesn't this then mean that it is extremely explosive?
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: hartiberlin on April 23, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
It is not explosive, if you add enough air with an electric air pump.

This is not yet shown herein the above video , but Youtube user
Hollywoods7 has shown it and User Woodpecker
confirmed it.
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jdcmusicman on April 24, 2009, 08:34:18 AM
I been doing same experiments cooking with hho myself ..
I have boiled eggs and scrambled them ..

Adding air to the hho does not change the flame rate speed.
I have been doing test by adding air also , all the adding air does is thin the gas ..
But the result of thinning HHO with air is a flame that has less heat , the  gas will
go further but less heat ...If you add to much air it will not burn at all....Tested and tried
I did not like it because it takes away from what I am wanting and that is heat ...

If you want to change the flame rate speed and make the gas less explosive bubble it thru
a carbon....I have tested this with a mixture of 1 tsp Lighter fluid 3 tsp of rubbing alcohol and bout  10oz of water ....
The hho bubbles thru picks up a bit of the alcohol and lighter fluid  and you pretty much have a weaker gas...it burns alright , will not burn unless you have air and it dont flashback near as bad as plain hho.
I did not like it either ...
In my setup I have 2 bubblers one which has a reset top on it and i never have any more than 1/2 liter of gas in any given area no matter if i am doing 1 lpm or 10 lpm  , so my flashbacks are just a little pop.
I would also like to add that if you get your tip hole size and number of tips and the right amount of gas calculated , you will have no flashbacks ..It takes a lot of tinkering with the tips but it can be achieved ...I am using 19 tips and can be used with a min of 2.3 lpm  and have only had bout 4 flashbacks  in around 5 hrs run time total..And now i think I have it right ..I plan on going up to 30 tips real soon .........

jdcmusicman
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: Nabo00o on April 24, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
Okey thanks for the info!
I think safety is a little bit important when working with hydrogen, the gas in itself is quite powerful.
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jdcmusicman on April 24, 2009, 04:36:40 PM
Yes safety is very important while messing with any gas ...HHO is safer than most ,you can breathe it and it wont kill you like all the other gases its creates no toxic fumes but its got lot of bang ...having the minimal gas in a giving area at any given time is the safest way to do it ..
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: Nabo00o on April 24, 2009, 05:07:02 PM
Yeah, well I very much like the idea of having a water container with an on button which then create a lot of hydrogen and maybe even an attached torch  ;D
At least it feels a lot safer than driving a car with one BIG container filled with explosive compressed hydrogen.
Think if you accidentally drove right into another car, BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jdcmusicman on April 24, 2009, 05:15:55 PM
I guess it would just depend on what kinda of container its in ..They have some that you can shot with a gun repeatedly and it wont explode ..
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: Nabo00o on April 24, 2009, 05:36:59 PM
Oh, well then they could probably make them strong enough to handle a car crash.
But if the car catches fire and begins to heat, then the container can risk blowing up because of the increase in pressure.
You know in a tunnel fire where there has been a car crash, the heat can be so extreme that it can melt steel! Saw it on National Geographic some time ago, I think it was a tunnel going from France to some other country...
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jeanna on May 01, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
Yeah, well I very much like the idea of having a water container with an on button which then create a lot of hydrogen and maybe even an attached torch  ;D
...

Nab00o,
From the way you stated this, it appears that you may think this is Hydrogen gas you are producing here.
Look up hydroxy gas and HHO.
There is a whole lot of information on this on the net.

If I misunderstood your comment, please accept my apologies. I just always want people to realize there is a very big difference between this HHO gas and hydrogen.

What I am finding amazing about this cooking with hydroxy thing is that the flame isn't going through the bottom of the pot!

jeanna
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jdcmusicman on May 01, 2009, 10:49:08 PM
@ jeanna
I been doing research in using HHO for cooking about a month or two and have found that as long as there are small flames you want burn thru the pot/pan... and also as long as there is something in the pan/pot to absorb the heat , it will not burn thru no matter what the size of the flame ...
I have tested this with a 10 lpm torch ,as long as there is something there its fine but take that away and it will melt right thru ....

Jdcmusicman
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: Nabo00o on May 01, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
Nab00o,
From the way you stated this, it appears that you may think this is Hydrogen gas you are producing here.
Look up hydroxy gas and HHO.
There is a whole lot of information on this on the net.

If I misunderstood your comment, please accept my apologies. I just always want people to realize there is a very big difference between this HHO gas and hydrogen.

What I am finding amazing about this cooking with hydroxy thing is that the flame isn't going through the bottom of the pot!

jeanna

No you were right, I though that the hydroxy gas production contained both oxygen and hydrogen in a combination, that was also why I was afraid of its explosive potential.

But so to make it clear, hydroxy gas is both hydrogen and oxygen, but combined in a way which makes it less combustible?
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jeanna on May 02, 2009, 04:14:54 AM

But so to make it clear, hydroxy gas is both hydrogen and oxygen, but combined in a way which makes it less combustible?
Yes. It is both H H and O but in a non steam non vapor form. Unique. It keeps the molecules in their single-atom form so it isn't H2 and O2. Different.
It is very combustible, but it IMplodes.
We don't have too much to go on here. It is a new concept a gas that implodes.

I think Eagle Research has the best information. The guy that owns Eagle welds and there is a video of a day long workshop somewhere around Eagle Research. I could be wrong, but that is where I usually go for any refreshers on HHO.

The reason I was asking about the pot burning is because it also has the unique ability to "match" the melting point of the metal. The metal becomes whatever it needs to be to become molten.

@jdcmusicman,
I am really happy to hear that HHO can successfully be used for heating water in a pot. Wow, this is good news. I will watch your youtube videos this weekend.

What size aperture do you use. I assume it is a welding tip? I made a torch with a mig tip. - smallest they had.

Is a propane camping stove the wrong size for HHO?
Has anyone tried this?

I am intrigued by the car thing but since I am not a car guy, and I only use about one 16 gallon tank a month I am not too desperate to make the conversion for my car, but for welding and for heating things like cooking pots and radiators, I am very glad to hear this.

Thanks everybody,

jeanna
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jeanna on May 02, 2009, 04:27:41 AM
...
as long as there is something there its fine but take that away and it will melt right thru ....

Jdcmusicman
As long as there is something in the pot? I assume that is what you are saying??

When does the flashback occur? After you turn off the flame but it is still hot?
I can't figure it out just from what people say.

It is spring in the northern hemisphere, and I am getting ready to try this out. I did other things this winter, and now or soon, --- Outside first.

So, advice is welcome.
Advice based on personal experience, please. I am not interested in advice based on theory.
People like jdcmusicman and any others who have actually had experience, are who I  mean when I say advice is welcome, please.

thanks,

jeanna
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: jdcmusicman on May 02, 2009, 06:00:30 AM
@jeanna

As far as something being in the pot yes , but also if you make a bunch of little flames ,it will not burn thru , even if its empty ..

I have had very few flashbacks with my setup so far ....
I have managed to run 19 tips (flames)...
I am using mig tips but have smashed the top down with a hammer to close the holes up some ...
The Approximate hole size in my tips are .010
At this hole you can run minimum of 123 ml per min per tip,without a flash back 95% of the time ....
The minimum I can run my 19 tips off of is 2.3 LPM ....I run normally at 3.2 - 5 lpm..

I have future plans of adding 8 more tips to my setup and when I get everything tested , flashback free , i will build a permanent burner...

My goal is to get as many flames as i can with no issues but stay in a range of only 500 - 900 watts ....

Thanks Jdcmusicman
Title: Re: Cooking pasta with HHO
Post by: JayC on September 16, 2010, 02:33:15 PM
This one is the best experiment so far because of the process in cooking with HHO. They gathered a study in how it works. This is the idea that cooking with HHO are best to know.