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Author Topic: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)  (Read 20901 times)

Offline g4macdad

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 05:47:12 AM »
I keep trying to understand these regulations but I just don't get it.

The car is slow so we need to limit the speed?

Who understands this stuff?

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 03:54:46 PM »
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People like you are the REAL reason the country is a mess.

No its people like you who dont have a clue. We dont need glorified golf carts or lambrettas on main roads. 3 wheelers need to be banned. There are stock 4 wheelers that can go 45 which out run them. These vehicles are only good for a congested neighborhood. Thats fine by me but I know they wont stay there.

About 35 states have passed legislation or regulations allowing NEVs to be licensed and driven on roads that generally are posted at 35 miles per hour or less. Which I totally disagree with if there top speed is only 25. All your going to do is agitate people with a faster vehicle who cant pass or has an emergency situation. Even if they made one at 45 mph I know good and well kids and non thinking individuals would have them on a 55 mph road causing havoc.

A neighborhood electric vehicle (NEV) is 4-wheeled vehicle, larger than a golf cart but smaller than most light-duty passenger vehicles. NEVs are usually configured to carry two or four passengers, or two passengers with a pickup bed.
NEVs are defined by the United States National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as subject to Federal Motor About 35 states have passed legislation or regulations allowing NEVs to be licensed and driven on roads that generally are posted at 35 miles per hour or less. Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 500 (49 CFR 571.500). Per FMVSS 500, NEVs have top speeds between 20 and 25 miles per hour and are defined as “Low Speed Vehicles.”

An EV vehicle that can go 55 mph or better has no law against it.

Offline g4macdad

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 04:48:32 PM »
No its people like you who dont have a clue. We dont need glorified golf carts or lambrettas on main roads. 3 wheelers need to be banned. There are stock 4 wheelers that can go 45 which out run them. These vehicles are only good for a congested neighborhood. Thats fine by me but I know they wont stay there.

About 35 states have passed legislation or regulations allowing NEVs to be licensed and driven on roads that generally are posted at 35 miles per hour or less. Which I totally disagree with if there top speed is only 25. All your going to do is agitate people with a faster vehicle who cant pass or has an emergency situation. Even if they made one at 45 mph I know good and well kids and non thinking individuals would have them on a 55 mph road causing havoc.

A neighborhood electric vehicle (NEV) is 4-wheeled vehicle, larger than a golf cart but smaller than most light-duty passenger vehicles. NEVs are usually configured to carry two or four passengers, or two passengers with a pickup bed.
NEVs are defined by the United States National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as subject to Federal Motor About 35 states have passed legislation or regulations allowing NEVs to be licensed and driven on roads that generally are posted at 35 miles per hour or less. Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 500 (49 CFR 571.500). Per FMVSS 500, NEVs have top speeds between 20 and 25 miles per hour and are defined as “Low Speed Vehicles.”

An EV vehicle that can go 55 mph or better has no law against it.

You are right I am sorry ::) LOL

The clear answer is limiting the top speed a vehicle is allowed to go?

Because they are too slow so we need to not allow them to go faster?

You must be republican.  :-*

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 04:48:32 PM »
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Offline d3adp00l

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2009, 05:02:39 AM »
http://www.wkyc.com/news/regional/akron_article.aspx?storyid=91244&catid=6

I only see opposition to 3 wheeled electric cars. You'll have to find the law. I went through the code and didn't see anything preventing an electric car from passing the road safety inspection for registration requirements.

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2009, 05:31:00 AM »
cap you need to go and learn how to do some basic math before you open your trap.

Some cars do get better than 20 mpg, and if that is the case then convert my numbers to whatever mpg you think is appropriate.

At the current price of gas the car would have to get around 35 mpg, which is not unheard of. But give a 35mpg car and its weight an electric of similar characteristics would get a bit better performance, around 20% better. so instead of 7.6cents it would be closer to 6.08 cents per mile.

Battery charging time 18650 watts, lets say you drive 2 hours, so 2x 18650w = 37300 whrs
standard 20 amp circuit at 240v = 4800w, at 80% (nec code) = 3840w
37300/3840= 9.7hr charge time

lets see here, first when was the last time you drove 2hrs straight, next, lets say you drove to work
well you can charge it there for 8 hours, or after you get home, how many hours does your car spend sitting there in the drive way?, normally around 12 to 15 hours.

with a 30a 240v outlet (dryer type) it would be faster.

You really show your ignorance by speaking, maybe you should chose to be thought a fool instead of removing all doubt.

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2009, 05:31:00 AM »
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Offline AbbaRue

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2009, 10:14:11 AM »
Unless a better technology comes along I can see the day when we use
wind generators to charge our electric car batteries.
Perfect concept, perhaps even have a small wind generator built into a car so it can be
erected into the air while we are parked at work. 
Vertical wind generators would probably be the safest type for this. 

Offline IotaYodi

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2009, 06:31:37 PM »
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Because they are too slow so we need to not allow them to go faster?

Only in a 4 wheel configuration which they need to do. A passenger 3 wheeler is too dangerous.

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You must be republican.
Im totally independent. I have never voted. I dont trust any of them after watching them for about 40 years. Being in the Military opened my eyes.  It seems like most of them have their own personal agendas and not really watching out for the common good. Im still agitated over the bailout. Im tired of bailing out gamblers and thats exactly what it is. The buggy whip companys went out of business and they can too!!   :)

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
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Offline g4macdad

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 03:36:35 AM »
http://www.wkyc.com/news/regional/akron_article.aspx?storyid=91244&catid=6

I only see opposition to 3 wheeled electric cars. You'll have to find the law. I went through the code and didn't see anything preventing an electric car from passing the road safety inspection for registration requirements.

Three wheeled cars ARE allowed to be registered in my state. But ALL electric vehicles are limited to 20 mph here, and between 25 and 35 in most others.

You are being fooled into thinking otherwise obviously. But you are WRONG. Sorry.

Why would anyone in their right mind, NOT drive a plug-in electric?

Offline g4macdad

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 03:52:28 AM »
Only in a 4 wheel configuration which they need to do. A passenger 3 wheeler is too dangerous.
Im totally independent. I have never voted. I dont trust any of them after watching them for about 40 years. Being in the Military opened my eyes.  It seems like most of them have their own personal agendas and not really watching out for the common good. Im still agitated over the bailout. Im tired of bailing out gamblers and thats exactly what it is. The buggy whip companys went out of business and they can too!!   :)

The only way one could be "agitated" over the "bailout" is because they do not understand it, or they are listening to conservative BS media(which is more than 90% of it).

I won't be paying 1 cent to bail out anyone. I don't know a single person who will. The only ones paying for this make $250,000 or more a year.

The only ones "gambling" as you put it, are the ones who have the money to do so.

Those will be the ones paying their gambling debts, thanks to the liberal majority now.

Vote them out, and you and me pay, They are not one of US and they don't care about YOU.

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 03:52:28 AM »
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Offline d3adp00l

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 09:42:38 AM »
Three wheeled cars ARE allowed to be registered in my state. But ALL electric vehicles are limited to 20 mph here, and between 25 and 35 in most others.

You are being fooled into thinking otherwise obviously. But you are WRONG. Sorry.

Why would anyone in their right mind, NOT drive a plug-in electric?

and where is the evidence of this claim?

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2009, 09:43:31 AM »
This thread shows exactly why we don't use technology like this or others. Like I said, the problem is us.

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
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Offline Cherryman

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2009, 10:12:55 AM »
Three wheeled cars ARE allowed to be registered in my state. But ALL electric vehicles are limited to 20 mph here, and between 25 and 35 in most others.

You are being fooled into thinking otherwise obviously. But you are WRONG. Sorry.

Why would anyone in their right mind, NOT drive a plug-in electric?

So if I (European)  understand it corrrectly the Tesla motors models are not allowed in many US states??  ??? ???

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Offline d3adp00l

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2009, 10:31:32 AM »
Thats the unsupported claim.

I would like to see some vehicle code, registration restrictions, or other law that outlines this. I have seen in canada that they blocked the EV made there from being able to be used on the road. But I havent seen it in a way that we can point to and tell the state agencies to remove the statute.

Offline g4macdad

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2009, 02:56:02 AM »
Thats the unsupported claim.

I would like to see some vehicle code, registration restrictions, or other law that outlines this. I have seen in canada that they blocked the EV made there from being able to be used on the road. But I havent seen it in a way that we can point to and tell the state agencies to remove the statute.

"WE" are not the problem. Neo-cons ARE!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/create-a-new-electric-vehicle-classification

Offline mscoffman

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Re: The only thing holding back EV's (not technology)
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2009, 06:42:56 PM »

There are four interesting articles about electric cars in Fortune Magazine, Vol 159, April 24,2009.
This latest issue is not yet listed on their website, but you maybe able to get it at your public
library. If you read these articles - I think you will discover that "nothing" is holding them back.

:S:MarkSCoffman

 

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