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Author Topic: HHO explosion slowing down the burn speed of HHO to get compatible with gasoline  (Read 34401 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Hi All,
we had the question of how to modify the ignition of a backup power generator
for the explosive HHO gas.

I guess we can spare this modification and just do the following:

With some additions to the tricks shown by Youtube user:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Hollywoods7

so that we not just put the additional air just into the bubbler,
but directly into the electrolyzer, we can manage to create a very slow burning mixed air + HHO gas.

A few years ago I saw a video from a guy, ( before youtube was born)
who had mixed with an aquarium airpump lots of air into a Y-hose together
with very little HHO coming from his small electrolyzer.

The flame which came out of his air and HHO mix hose was burning very slowly
and was not explosive at all.
It reminded me of the flame of just gasoline or a candle.

I guess it is the best and easiest way this way to feed additional air
directly into the electrolyzer to generate already there the mix of a
nonexplosive gas mix !

This way also the HHO bubbles will come off easier from the stainless steel
plates and this also could make the HHO celll more efficient,
but the biggest plus would be the won safety factor !


So get yourself a 12 Volts electrical air pump and pump as much air into
the electrolyzer, so that the HHO and air mix gas will be burning really slow.

Then you can feed this directly into your AC generator and you will
not need any ignition modification.

Surely you have to make sure, that your airpump
will not fail, so there could be made some circuitry, that
checks the airpump for failure and switches off the electrolyzer,
should the airpump ever fail.


Happy building !

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline d3adp00l

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Why slow the burn rate to run in an engine not designed for hho?

That would be like running coal in a gas engine

Offline hartiberlin

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Why slow the burn rate to run in an engine not designed for hho?

That would be like running coal in a gas engine


Just to see,
if it is possible to close the loop and thus only run the whole system on water only.

The slowing of the burn rate might adjust the air plus HHO gas mix this way, as if it would
be a gasoline-air mix.

Just get the mix relationsship right and you don´t need to modify your power generator.
That is the huge advantage and the gas which comes out of the electrolyzer would
also not be anymore explosive so easily.
So you also could avoid using a Flashback Arrestor !

So it would also give you advanced safety.

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline 4Tesla

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No.. slowing down the burn to the same rate as gasoline.. HHO burns too fast.


Offline 4Tesla

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Very cool idea!! Would there be enough power to turn the engine?

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Offline hartiberlin

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Very cool idea!! Would there be enough power to turn the engine?

Sure !
As the air plus HHO mix is compressed in the cylinder to about 14:1
it is then good for the stroke explosion cycle in the engine
the same way as the gasoline plus air is working.

Offline Les Banki

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Stefan,

Well, what do you know.....just after I emailed  you, I managed to log in!!  :o :o

Anyway, here is what I have to say about this subject:

The burn rate of HHO DOES NOT slow down the slightest when mixed with AIR!

How do I know?  Experience.  Lots of it.  Going back 15 years.
[Including running a 250cc, one cylinder engine on hydroxy ("Brown's gas") ONLY!]

Best regards,
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Offline 4Tesla

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So how did you get the engine to run on HHO only?

Thanks,
Tesla

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There was a theory that i read a long time ago that the bulk of power you get from your engine is the expansion rate of the gases in the combustion chamber during and after the ignition... Lots of people told him he was an idiot but a lot of his research came from looking at the performance gains in different ambient air temperatures. As you know the cooler the air that goes into your engine the more dense it is. Resulting in better performance...

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Offline Les Banki

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So how did you get the engine to run on HHO only?

Thanks,
Tesla



Simple

It was/is no big deal!
We just held the gas nozzle (0.6mm diameter orifice) at the air intake.

Several people were present, assisting and video taping the experiments.

We did NOT modify the engine in any way, NOR did we adjust the ignition timing (inaccessible behind the flywheel)
The engine was only idling since the very, VERY inefficient  "brute force" electrolyser I had at the time could not produce enough hydroxy for higher rev.

These experiments were conducted mainly to disprove all nay-sayers, claiming that an engine could not run on hydroxy ONLY.

For anyone who might be interested:
Since then, I have developed/designed a complete set of ignition circuits for one cylinder engines in order to completely ELIMINATE the 'waste spark'.
I have also written detailed circuit descriptions and a couple of articles about the ignition system in general, explaining what is required for proper operation of an engine running on HYDROXY ONLY.

All that is available, FREE, at:  waterfuelforall.com Forum
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If you sign up and log in, you can access ALL files.  Circuit diagrams, pcb layouts, circuit descriptions and general articles I have written on the HHO subject.

Best regards,
Les Banki

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Hi Les Banki,
many thanks for the additional infos.

Your circuits are now also posted over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7287.0

User Woodpecker also has a working motor running just on HHO, not yet selflooping ,
but probably soon.

There is much progress lately with all the HHO designs.

I guess this year someone will show a selfrunning HHO-Motor-Generator  combination outputing electrical excess energy
and only needing water to run it.

Regards, Stefan.

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Simple

It was/is no big deal!
We just held the gas nozzle (0.6mm diameter orifice) at the air intake.

Several people were present, assisting and video taping the experiments.

We did NOT modify the engine in any way, NOR did we adjust the ignition timing (inaccessible behind the flywheel)
The engine was only idling since the very, VERY inefficient  "brute force" electrolyser I had at the time could not produce enough hydroxy for higher rev.

These experiments were conducted mainly to disprove all nay-sayers, claiming that an engine could not run on hydroxy ONLY.

For anyone who might be interested:
Since then, I have developed/designed a complete set of ignition circuits for one cylinder engines in order to completely ELIMINATE the 'waste spark'.
I have also written detailed circuit descriptions and a couple of articles about the ignition system in general, explaining what is required for proper operation of an engine running on HYDROXY ONLY.

All that is available, FREE, at:  waterfuelforall.com Forum
If you sign up and log in, you can access ALL files.  Circuit diagrams, pcb layouts, circuit descriptions and general articles I have written on the HHO subject.

Best regards,
Les Banki

Thanks so much.. now if we can just have a module for cars like this one for E85:
http://www.fuelflexint.com/pages/product1.htm

along with the electrolyzer.  If you made these kits, I would love to be a distributor!

Tesla

Offline d3adp00l

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Ya stephan, I think I have a bit of experience in running hho in an engine. And running it in an engine designed for other fuels is pretty much a waste of time.

You guys need to stop thinking of hydrogen as then fuel. Do some research into the properties involved and see what direction it takes you.

Skip this interm step leap frog off what others have done. The flame speed really is not all that important. The shockwave energy in conjuction with thermal to mechanical energy conversion is an aspect to think on.

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build it!

thats whats important.

Offline hartiberlin

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Hi d3adp00l,
we need just one guy getting a HHO generator produce enough gas to run a generator
and have the generator output looped back to the HHO Generator to produce the HHO gas
in a selfrunning mode.

It does not matter, if this system will on the longer run destroy my generator via
hydrogen going into the cylinder or cylinder heads.
Important is just a demonstration that shows, that it is possible this way to run
the whole system solely from water and no other
external power. That is the whole point to demonstrate this without any doubt
and this have a selfrunning overunity system that is just powered by cheap water.

Then engines can be made, that will not go bad from the shockwaves or
the hydrogen going into the metal.

Regards, Stefan.

 

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