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Author Topic: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??  (Read 12268 times)

magnetman12003

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MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« on: April 17, 2009, 06:14:35 PM »
Check out the below video I posted on U tube.

It has all information you might need.  Free to the world to use.   Note the Note.

Tom Ferko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VnLjW-1iQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit2&feature=player_embedded





Low-Q

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2009, 12:05:42 PM »
Check out the below video I posted on U tube.

It has all information you might need.  Free to the world to use.   Note the Note.

Tom Ferko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VnLjW-1iQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit2&feature=player_embedded






I could see at some point the rolling magnet was repelled from the handheld magnet untill the rolling magnet got forced close enough - then it was attracted and pushed away. This is nothing new unless you can close the loop and make it spin forever.

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2009, 01:08:05 PM »
if you can close the loop then you're in! and so are we!

xee2

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2009, 03:17:48 PM »
@ magnetman12003

Very interesting, thanks for posting the video. I have some questions. Where did you get the magnets and did they come painted like that (I have problems keeping mine marked)? Don't you get the same results if you leave the steel rod off and just move the pair of magnets?

EDIT: Can you make another pair of magnets with a rod and put one on each side of rolling magnet - then roll magnet slowly into the gate from outside of gate and all the way through? That would make it easier to see any repulsion entering the gate.

« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 03:45:13 PM by xee2 »

mr_bojangles

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2009, 09:08:35 PM »
what if you put 2 rotating magnets connected by one steel bearing (ball)

o==o==o

"o" steel ball
"==" magnet

and allowed the middle to rotate but not move (like a bearing)

this is only speculation and first thoughts or ideas that came to mind in trying to make a rotating or circular design


looks interesting, and simple enough to replicate

does it roll uphill?

until next time

4Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 02:49:18 AM »
what if you put 2 rotating magnets connected by one steel bearing (ball)

o==o==o

"o" steel ball
"==" magnet

and allowed the middle to rotate but not move (like a bearing)

this is only speculation and first thoughts or ideas that came to mind in trying to make a rotating or circular design


looks interesting, and simple enough to replicate

does it roll uphill?

until next time

I like your idea.. *N-----S*S-----N*

4Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 02:53:36 AM »
Check out the below video I posted on U tube.

It has all information you might need.  Free to the world to use.   Note the Note.

Tom Ferko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VnLjW-1iQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit2&feature=player_embedded

So no sticky?  What if you have two.. one on both sides... ) ----- (

Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 02:59:07 AM »
Also.. I would like to see the gate stationary and see the roller tested for stickies if you have the supplies.

Thanks,
Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 03:11:24 AM »
Check out the below video I posted on U tube.

It has all information you might need.  Free to the world to use.   Note the Note.

Tom Ferko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VnLjW-1iQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit2&feature=player_embedded

Interesting. Thanks. I haven't seen this before.

magnetman12003

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 03:22:42 AM »
  It works even with one segment as shown but needs more gates.   Resistance to pull in is a mute point. Exit rollback is a mute point.  What more can I say?

 3 more iron segment gates should do it.   Making them now.  Feel free to construct one yourself  As shown-Turns clockwise    Used colored electrical tape to show polaritys    Please Note: Check with me first if you plan to patent my setup or make a profit from this.  I have given this freely to the world to use.  .


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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 03:33:31 AM »
Yes, rotor and stator - one odd, one even.

I take it the idea does not work without the steel at the end of the rotor elements or without the loop.

I'll be trying this in the morning.

FreeEnergy

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 05:36:34 AM »
3 more iron segment gates should do it.   Making them now.

wow looks promising.
so did it work?

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2009, 05:43:45 AM »
Inquiring minds would like to know

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2009, 11:34:05 AM »
Hi Tom, hi BEP,

interesting idea.

Should anyone get this to continuously turn without slowing down, I would like them to try the following supplemental experiment.

In the attached image, the green line is a thick copper wire forming a continuous, low-resistance loop.  This loop functions as motor coil as well as alternator generator coil, depending upon the angle of rotation.  To be used on all stator assemblies.

The operation would depend on the "Wechselwirkung" of this loop, sometimes acting as generator coil, sometimes as motor coil, and most interestingly doing this with no commutator.  I believe that the apparent simplicity is deceptive.  As soon as the rotor turns, the operation is much more complicated than it seems.

Note the RPM with and without this supplemental coil loop.  Also do a test where the steel wire is insulated from the (nickel-plated ?) magnets by a thin layer of teflon (or other) electrically non-conductive tape.

In other words, three experiments:

1- steel wire acting as magnetically and electrically-conductive loop

2- steel wire acting as magnetically-conductive loop only, electrical loop broken open

3- low resistance copper loop physically overlaid on steel wire and magnet stator assembly  (repeat for both conditions 1 and 2 above)

The above experiments would greatly help in understanding this device, should it function and be reproducible.

Earl

edit:  one might also try a copper loop with 10 or even 100 turns, centered-taped.  Center tap goes to scope ground, 1:1 hot lead goes to a tap say at 25% and 75% of winding (2-channel scope).  Try to get a look at voltage generated in this loop versus rotational position.  In this case, steel wire electrically insulated to prevent any electrical loop for it.

Interesting. Thanks. I haven't seen this before.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 12:10:03 PM by Earl »

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 11:59:09 AM »
Another experiment to try:

The steel wire must be electrically insulated from the magnets with thin tape such that the steel wire is magnetically conductive, but not electrically in a closed-loop.

Then try copper wire overlay as shown in the attached image.

The two independent copper loops have no galvanic connection to each other nor to anything else.

Edit:  all copper loops must have low resistance, no sloppy cold-solder joints allowed !!!

Earl