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Author Topic: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??  (Read 10448 times)

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 12:25:00 PM »
Check out the below video I posted on U tube.

It has all information you might need.  Free to the world to use.   Note the Note.

Tom Ferko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5VnLjW-1iQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit2&feature=player_embedded


Hi Tom,

With really great respect to your hands-on activity on the forums,  I feel making a small note is needed here:  you may wish mentioning Graham (Rusty_Springs) as the originator of this setup, just like he introduced the tri gate concept, among some other magnetic setups.

Graham calls his present setup U bolt gate and uploaded a drawing on it at Clanzer's forum in April 12, 2009:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=290 

I know you make use of his setup from the U shape side while Graham showed the rotor (i.e. the roller) rolls in front of the straight magnet side. The effect is the same I think.

So I do think Graham deserves you mention his name at least, here on this forum too, as the prompt originator of this idea.

Thanks,

Gyula

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 12:41:54 PM »
Gyula,

does Graham's device use electromagnetism generated by current flowing in a closed loop?

I was unable to even look at the link without being registered.  I can understand this in order to be able to post, but being registered just to be able to look at the forum is unacceptable.

Earl

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 12:55:41 PM »
Hi Earl,

Sorry for the link need for registering, I cannot help on that.

I  think the best we can do is to hear Graham's opinion on his setup, he may post his drawing here as well.

Thanks for understanding,

regards,  Gyula

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 01:29:41 PM »
I can access by going to the forum root and then taking the menu tri-gate.

It will take a week or two to determine whether any successful gate is using only magnetism or magnetism *AND* electromagnetism combined.  Nickel-plated magnets and steel balls and steel wire can cause an electrically conducting loop.  Magnets moving in relation to this loop can induce current flow, which in turn causes electromagnetism.

Best to stay cool and calm until we know whether a linear magnetic gate can be closed into a circle and still function.

** IF ** this can be done, then experiments should be done.  I would say an all-magnet motor has no chance of functioning.  Whether this is still the case for a combined magnet and self-energized electromagnet device should be known shortly.
If a magnet + EM motor should be shown to function and be reproducible, the the **BIG** question is how and why?

I have held in my hands a magnet + EM motor that turned and turned and turned with no apparent power source.  This particular toy had one magnet, one stator coil, one rotor coil, and a commutator.  The rotor was slightly unbalanced, so gravity was also involved.  In one rotational direction, it would quickly stop, but in the other sense it did not stop.  The inventor did not wish to do anything with it, nor did he want his name to be connected to it.  I understand how each simple part works, but it is a mystery how the complete motor functions.  Even simple things can be complex.

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2009, 03:20:46 PM »
Hi Tom,

With really great respect to your hands-on activity on the forums,  I feel making a small note is needed here:  you may wish mentioning Graham (Rusty_Springs) as the originator of this setup, just like he introduced the tri gate concept, among some other magnetic setups.

Graham calls his present setup U bolt gate and uploaded a drawing on it at Clanzer's forum in April 12, 2009:
http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=290 

I know you make use of his setup from the U shape side while Graham showed the rotor (i.e. the roller) rolls in front of the straight magnet side. The effect is the same I think.

So I do think Graham deserves you mention his name at least, here on this forum too, as the prompt originator of this idea.

Thanks,

Gyula


 Yes  I saw Grahams setup and saw the way he had his runner positioned. Try it -- maybe it will work for you as well as my idea.        I respect Grahams work.

 I have seen no videos of how he used his U bolt device however in a motor form.   Have you?

I made a large bent iron rod and went on from there positioning the runner magnet as you see it.

A better mousetrap if you wish to call it that.

Remember all overunity ideas can be improved on by others.  Even the device Idea I submitted.

Tom Ferko

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2009, 03:43:30 PM »
Hi MM,
Are you claiming success ?
Does this rotate continuously under its own power ?
Look forward to your next video update on youtube.
Cheers,

Dean

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2009, 04:32:59 PM »
Hi,

 When I have a self runner working for at least one day I will post it on the U tube.

So far I have not made the other 3 segments and have to replace my worn out rotor bearing.
with a large free spinning Go Kart wheel bearing. Flywheel weight will damage a small bearing real fast.           I am however feeling good about this

If made EXACTLY as described here it should put you into the ballpark.  You might have to work yourself to get up to the  batters position however since this whole concept is new.

Tom Ferko

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2009, 07:34:19 PM »
  It works even with one segment as shown but needs more gates.   Resistance to pull in is a mute point. Exit rollback is a mute point.  What more can I say?

 3 more iron segment gates should do it.   Making them now.  Feel free to construct one yourself  As shown-Turns clockwise    Used colored electrical tape to show polaritys    Please Note: Check with me first if you plan to patent my setup or make a profit from this.  I have given this freely to the world to use.  .


Tom Ferko
The magnets will experience the very same things three times instead of one time. So what is the benifit with three if it won't work with only one gate?
Note: Meant as constructive, or some kind of leading questioning ;)

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2009, 08:01:40 PM »
Thanks for sharing the colored electrical tape idea for marking polarity!  I agree with Low-Q.. one gate should be enough.  I would try 5 arms on the stator instead of 3.

Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2009, 09:32:42 PM »
A simple test with the setup in the video would be to place the ball bearing unit in a trough with a ramp on each side.
Once the ball bearings climb to the maximum height on the ramp they will roll back down and into the gate again.
According to the video the ball bearing unit should keep rolling back and forth through the gate indefinitely.
Or pick up enough speed to roll over the top of the ramp. 

Question, does this unit work with 2 steel wheels instead of ball bearings or is the spherical shape needed for some reason? 

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 11:31:44 PM »
Thanks for sharing the colored electrical tape idea for marking polarity!  I agree with Low-Q.. one gate should be enough.  I would try 5 arms on the stator instead of 3.

Tesla
5 stators instead of 3? I still not see the point in doing so. ;) It is just copying a non working device 3 or 5 times, or a million times - they will still not work.

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2009, 01:49:07 AM »
5 stators instead of 3? I still not see the point in doing so. ;) It is just copying a non working device 3 or 5 times, or a million times - they will still not work.

Vidar

I was guessing if it didn't work with 3, maybe it was because the space was too wide between arms.

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2009, 01:53:51 AM »
A simple test with the setup in the video would be to place the ball bearing unit in a trough with a ramp on each side.
Once the ball bearings climb to the maximum height on the ramp they will roll back down and into the gate again.
According to the video the ball bearing unit should keep rolling back and forth through the gate indefinitely.
Or pick up enough speed to roll over the top of the ramp. 

Question, does this unit work with 2 steel wheels instead of ball bearings or is the spherical shape needed for some reason? 


The problem is that the gate's polarity would have to be reversed for the ball bearing unit to travel the other direction.. if you watch closely in the video you will notice that the gate was turned over when he switched directions.

Tesla

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2009, 02:46:31 AM »
@4Tesla
I was so caught up with watching the Ball Bearing unit I missed the part were he turned the bar over.
Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: MAGNETIC GATE --- Possibly the best yet??
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2009, 03:03:19 PM »
I would be blown away with a self runner for 1 minute :D

 

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