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Title: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 01:52:51 AM
Hello all, I would like to present to you a new type of movement that I found by mistake, in which weights can raise themselves to the rim of the wheel then gravitate back to the axle, its all self controlled without the need for any assistance...

You will be glad to know that I have nearly finished building this wheel, I dont know if it will work or not but either way, I think you will be quite impressed and it should boost your imaginations... Let me tell you alittle about the nature of this "mechanism"...

There are two weights that work together (they are not connected to eachother) one takes an outer position while the other one rests on the axle, soon, they swap places and continue to swap places so long as the wheel keeps moving (due to the overbalance) which then causes the weights to raise themselves up in order to keep the wheel moving and so on...

Again, I'm not saying that its going to work, because I dont know till I have finished it...

Before I reveal this to you I want to finish it (no longer than a week) test it, then post footage of my results. If it is not finished by a week, then I will post on here how its works with footage of the experiment with a single weight...

It is an incredibly simple design, when I showed my dad, he saw the weight lifting itself to the rim and he laughed thinking that I was trying to fool him haha

anyway, for the time being I want to leave you a big clue to how it works to see what you come up with, the wheel takes TWO revolutions to complete a single movement...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Dave45 on April 17, 2009, 03:37:58 AM
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Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 17, 2009, 03:44:33 AM
I am very intrigued!  Do the weights raise to the rim at 12o'clock?   Then gravitate back to the axle?
Most designs want the weight from the rim at 12 o'clock to stay at the rim till 6 o'clock then back to the axle.  I'm so confused but also so excited to hear " the rest of the story ".
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 17, 2009, 12:35:49 PM
Greetings Alex

 I have been up to my ears in work trying to catch up on orders, so I have only been able to post on occasion. I sent you an e-mail with a design that is similar to your description. I hope to get back on my wheels next week. As per your question of the other design. It is possible but it would have to be extremely large to do it, but it is possible. I just don't have the resources to go any further on it, and it would not have much power due to being eat up in the device. Just think of the guy in France that built one the size of a large Farris wheel.

Good luck I am looking forward to your build
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Low-Q on April 17, 2009, 12:55:57 PM
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)

lol you will see the best ever non-runner yet  ;) actually i'm kinda of hoping it works  :o

@Alan, ok Alan, I will check the email you sent me, never mind about that other wheel then Alan, its ok, if this new wheel doesnt work, I will have a go at it :)

There is somthing strange about this wheel, if it works, im not sure if it can start itself off because: there is no start or finish to the wheel, so that means, when its still it is wrong, it has to be moving to exercise its spoecial movment, if the wheel is still and started off it will do the wrong movment, so i will have to start it off in a very strange way until i can sort it out lol

I'm 50 - 50 to weather it will work or not, if not then it is possible to improve it by adjusting the weights etc which when I post it on we can have a good look at it either way... if the wheel can start itself off and complete its movment, then its a runner, if it cant and i have to give it a push, then i dont know what the result will be, the weights do indeed lift to keep the wheel going, but its weather there is enough momentum to keep it going, have to see...

Alex

Alex

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: tagor on April 17, 2009, 02:01:21 PM
Just think of the guy in France that built one the size of a large Farris wheel.

but this device does not work !
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 02:02:45 PM
I am very intrigued!  Do the weights raise to the rim at 12o'clock?   Then gravitate back to the axle?
Most designs want the weight from the rim at 12 o'clock to stay at the rim till 6 o'clock then back to the axle.  I'm so confused but also so excited to hear " the rest of the story ".

Hi overtaker, the weights lift themselves just before 12 o clock and push down to the bottom at 6 oclock then take themselves into the axle... a single weight can do this on its own.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: erickdt on April 17, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)

Of course gravity is conservative. That however does not mean it isn't capable of producing work.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 05:59:23 PM
Hi all, Now I could do with somone telling me where I may get some weights from, weighing 1 - 6 ounces because I need the following weights:

two of 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5  and 6 ounce weights (for test purposes) 3 ounces with probably be the best but I want to make sure...

Edit: Once I have the weights, then all I need to do is make just one more thing and the wheel is done, I could possibly have it done for monday. Some of you here could probably build my wheel within a day :P

Thanks

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: noonespecial on April 17, 2009, 07:12:17 PM
Hi all, Now I could do with somone telling me where I may get some weights from, weighing 1 - 6 ounces because I need the following weights:

two of 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5  and 6 ounce weights (for test purposes) 3 ounces with probably be the best but I want to make sure...

Edit: Once I have the weights, then all I need to do is make just one more thing and the wheel is done, I could possibly have it done for monday. Some of you here could probably build my wheel within a day :P

Thanks

Alex

Hi Alex,

Without knowing exactly how the weights will be used, you might try some bolts with combinations of washers and/or nuts for these size weights. I don't know if this fits in with your scheme or not.

Regards,
Charlie
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 07:50:40 PM
Hi Alex,

Without knowing exactly how the weights will be used, you might try some bolts with combinations of washers and/or nuts for these size weights. I don't know if this fits in with your scheme or not.

Regards,
Charlie


That, sounds like a good idea, nuts might be good for using as weights, what are the most heavy ones you can get?

Edit: I just found that in my back garden we have led, so I can cut the weights out of that... :P

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: erickdt on April 17, 2009, 08:13:14 PM
I'd strongly advise against messing around with lead. Lead can be extremely toxic.

No one special's suggestion to use washers is a good one.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 08:27:42 PM
I'd strongly advise against messing around with lead. Lead can be extremely toxic.

No one special's suggestion to use washers is a good one.

Is lead safe when its just dry? or should I not mess with it at all? if so then I will use washers...

Edit: Stuff the lead, I just read a bit about it, no thank you!!!

So what weight of washers/nuts and bolts are available?

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Low-Q on April 17, 2009, 09:39:34 PM
Of course gravity is conservative. That however does not mean it isn't capable of producing work.
That is the exactly point in conservation. Conservation means no change. No change means no work.
If gravity was dynamic, however, like it increased and reduced all the time, it would do work, but that isn't the case in real life.
So bottom line; A conservative force like gravity cannot do work, are not capable to do work, and will never do work.

Vidar

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 17, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
Alex, just make a trip to your local tackle store. The weights are already 1,2,3,4,5,6 oz. with a hole
for attachment. 
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 17, 2009, 10:32:17 PM
That is the exactly point in conservation. Conservation means no change. No change means no work.
If gravity was dynamic, however, like it increased and reduced all the time, it would do work, but that isn't the case in real life.
So bottom line; A conservative force like gravity cannot do work, are not capable to do work, and will never do work.

Vidar



I dont agree because though gravity is constant, weights that move in and out of an axle are not, a weight with gravity equals force and that force can be made greater or lesser depending on the position of the weight to the axle of rotation...

Wind is dynamic but even if it wasnt, it could still turn a wheel due to the blades, so that same effect needs to be applied to gravity so that its pull is stronger on one side of a wheel than another but this time, not by blades, but by weights...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 18, 2009, 04:27:10 PM
Alex, just make a trip to your local tackle store. The weights are already 1,2,3,4,5,6 oz. with a hole
for attachment. 

Ok I have some weights, they are fantastic too because they are spherical weights so I can use them for other designs, even with rolling weights, I bought them from a tackle shop, thanks for that overtaker...

All I need to do now is make the levers, attach the weights, then I'm done, I will post it on here weather working or not...
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: noonespecial on April 18, 2009, 06:25:04 PM
Sounds great Alex!

Looking forward to your results.

Regards,
Charlie
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 18, 2009, 06:46:56 PM
whooo I'm getting there now, I have cut half the levers out ( 8 ) just need to cut another 8 out then I am done...

Reason for a total of 16 levers is, I put two levers together with the weight inbetween them, so when thats done, I will have 8 weighted levers ready to be fixed into their positions in the wheel, and its ready to gooo

see you soon

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 18, 2009, 08:57:02 PM
Your very welcome. Good luck.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 18, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
Ok, all of the levers are cut out, here are the exact final things I need to do to finish my wheel:

1. drill the holes for the levers to pivot on
2. attach the weights to the levers
3. fix the weighted levers into the wheel

then I'm complete and I will post, should be ready for either tonight (england) or tomoz...

Edit: Ok the holes have been drilled so number (1.) has been done

I should have it finished by tomoz, all that needs doing now is 2. and 3.

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 19, 2009, 03:07:10 AM
Good luck!!  I can't wait to see your wheel.

Tesla
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 19, 2009, 03:05:49 PM
Quick Update: The wheel should be finished tomoz, I got so involved in getting ready for I forgot today is sunday so the shops are shut (rightly so) I need long thin nails to hold the weights and thats it, I can then complete it...

In the mean while I want ask you all about somthing to do with the axle...

The axle has been drilled, but its not quite centre, its just slightly off, does this mean I wont get a fare result? my prevoius wheel which I posted here awhile a go didnt work, yet the tests coming up to it said it would just about work, again the axle was not quite right with that wheel, if it had been, would my wheel of worked?, this is what bugs me, unfortunatly my first wheel broke but I have saved one section of the movment and drew the mechanism as it was made and even coloured it in just incase I care to build it again some time, but a smaller version...

Also, just to let you know, this second (new) wheel of mine, its been made very well this time, its just I didnt get the axle quite right, I did use a compass very carefully, the axle isnt out by much at all, but it still bothers me...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 19, 2009, 03:53:49 PM
Greetings Alex

 Ralph told me a carpenter's secret for center hole and more even cut wheel. First off take your wood and draw an exact cross for your four corners. Then drill the center hole at the x. Then I use a router and a guide to cut out the circle/wheel base.

I hope this helps, it has saved me some headaches. LOL
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 19, 2009, 04:19:01 PM
Greetings Alex

 Ralph told me a carpenter's secret for center hole and more even cut wheel. First off take your wood and draw an exact cross for your four corners. Then drill the center hole at the x. Then I use a router and a guide to cut out the circle/wheel base.

I hope this helps, it has saved me some headaches. LOL

Seems good but, this is what I did: I got a big compass, tightend it up then drew the circle, it all went fine, the hold in the centre was made when I used the compass meaning that it must of been dead centre, i then tried some geometry in finding the centre, I did this with care, when i found the cenre, it was just off the point that the compass had made, I did the geometry correctly and I got to different results lol, so I decided to drill the hole according to the compass and not the geometry I did, once the hole was cut, I put in the axle (which fits just right) I let the wheel go and it rotated alittle meaning that the axle wasnt centre, I have no idea whats going on...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: erickdt on April 19, 2009, 04:47:25 PM
That is the exactly point in conservation. Conservation means no change. No change means no work.
If gravity was dynamic, however, like it increased and reduced all the time, it would do work, but that isn't the case in real life.
So bottom line; A conservative force like gravity cannot do work, are not capable to do work, and will never do work.

Vidar



Hello LowQ,

Imagine a piece of of debris floating in outer space in close proximity to Earth. As the debris gets closer to Earth, Earth's gravity pulls on it more and more until it begins a terminal course towards Earth's surface. On its way down it hits Earth's atmosphere, bursting into a fireball, the energy being released from the extreme friction of the atmosphere aginst the falling object. It is gravity that is "powering through" this friction, causing solid rock to burst into flame. That's not work?

The sun has been called a gravity powered fusion reactor by scientist because its immense gravitational field causes a never ending chain reaction of hydrogen atoms fusing to become helium atoms. That's not work?

Think about the Earth's core where solid rock is turned into liuquid magma simply through gravitational pressure which builds to such a level that from time to time is enough energy to level mountains and create islands. That's not work?

E



Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: erickdt on April 19, 2009, 05:01:16 PM
Seems good but, this is what I did: I got a big compass, tightend it up then drew the circle, it all went fine, the hold in the centre was made when I used the compass meaning that it must of been dead centre, i then tried some geometry in finding the centre, I did this with care, when i found the cenre, it was just off the point that the compass had made, I did the geometry correctly and I got to different results lol, so I decided to drill the hole according to the compass and not the geometry I did, once the hole was cut, I put in the axle (which fits just right) I let the wheel go and it rotated alittle meaning that the axle wasnt centre, I have no idea whats going on...

Alex

Alex,

I've found that the best way to make a perfect circle with a perfectly located center hole is to cut it with a router and a circle jig. You basically take a piece of plywood about 36" long or so and a few inches wider than your router. At one end of your piece you make an on center hole big enough for your router to sit in. From that hole's center you measure in inch increments down the center of the piece until you come to the end of the other side of the piece. You then drill the holes where you marked them with a drill bit that is the size of the axle you're going to use for you designs. I labelled my inch increment holes for easy reference. These numbers reflect the radius of the circle you're going to cut. Now your circle jig is done and it's time to use it!

Depending on whether your bearing is mounted in your wheel or it's just the axle that passes through it you select a drill bit that corresponds to that size. Use that bit do drill a hole anywhere on the plywood that you're going to use to make your circles (allow enough room for you circle(s) to fit within the sheet of plywood). If you drilled a hole for your bearing size drop your bearing in the hole and grab your circle jig. Pass either your axle or a bolt of the same diameter through the circle jig rdius hole you desire then through the bearing you just place in the sheet of plywood. Put you router in the circle jig where there is a hole for it. Adjust the router so it's about halfway through the wood. Turn it on and push your router around in a perfect circle with a perfect center. Do another pass that goes all the way through the wood to finish it off.

Also, RE: getting supplies on Sunday: There's now Lowes or Home Depot in your town? They should be open on Sunday. No? I've found that THE BEST store for PMM parts (which is also open on Sundays) is Tractor Supply. Their hardware aisle has almost anything you could ever need for such a thing.

Good luck. I can't wait to see your results!

E
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 19, 2009, 06:30:11 PM
Alex, PM me a drawing if you want modeling help.

Will not disclose and send you the wm2d model directly

I am curious as you may have guessed

 8)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 19, 2009, 08:35:43 PM
Alex,

I've found that the best way to make a perfect circle with a perfectly located center hole is to cut it with a router and a circle jig. You basically take a piece of plywood about 36" long or so and a few inches wider than your router. At one end of your piece you make an on center hole big enough for your router to sit in. From that hole's center you measure in inch increments down the center of the piece until you come to the end of the other side of the piece. You then drill the holes where you marked them with a drill bit that is the size of the axle you're going to use for you designs. I labelled my inch increment holes for easy reference. These numbers reflect the radius of the circle you're going to cut. Now your circle jig is done and it's time to use it!

Depending on whether your bearing is mounted in your wheel or it's just the axle that passes through it you select a drill bit that corresponds to that size. Use that bit do drill a hole anywhere on the plywood that you're going to use to make your circles (allow enough room for you circle(s) to fit within the sheet of plywood). If you drilled a hole for your bearing size drop your bearing in the hole and grab your circle jig. Pass either your axle or a bolt of the same diameter through the circle jig rdius hole you desire then through the bearing you just place in the sheet of plywood. Put you router in the circle jig where there is a hole for it. Adjust the router so it's about halfway through the wood. Turn it on and push your router around in a perfect circle with a perfect center. Do another pass that goes all the way through the wood to finish it off.

Also, RE: getting supplies on Sunday: There's now Lowes or Home Depot in your town? They should be open on Sunday. No? I've found that THE BEST store for PMM parts (which is also open on Sundays) is Tractor Supply. Their hardware aisle has almost anything you could ever need for such a thing.

Good luck. I can't wait to see your results!

E

erickdt, thanks for that, thats very helpful, I shall save your post and study it so I can make little wheels, for me, thats the hard part, i could cut a few wheels out and save them for when I get a new idea or even for improving on my design if it works :D

Having said that, my wheel isnt to bad, well acutally its two wheels with the weights inbetween, maybe if I turn one wheel upside down and attach them, then they will be balanced?

If only I had those nails right now...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 20, 2009, 01:42:33 PM
Ok, I have got the nails, just need to fix the weighted levers in and its down, everything has gone fine, I even got the nails for free because I only needed 10... I have a piano lesson so It will probably be tonight, but tonight should be the night, so my next post will be if it works or not, then I will make a video showing you how it works, can't wait to see what you all think, till then, speak to you soon...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 20, 2009, 10:11:20 PM
Ok I'm sorry to have to say this but, there is a delay, the levers are going to be made stronger, everything is ready, but I must make sure everything is correct first if its to be a decent test, I dont want to rush this, it should be ready for tomoz, I hope you can understand, speak to you soon...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 20, 2009, 10:15:17 PM
Your such a tease!   LOL
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 20, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
No worries.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 20, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
Your such a tease!   LOL

lol well, I cant give it to you without making you wait first  ;)

One lever is being made stronger by sticking 3 pieces of dowling inbetween the two pieces that make the lever, it is now being left to dry over night, when I look at it tomoz, I will see if it has done the trick and stuck tightly, if so, then the rest of the levers will go through the same process, then when they have dried and I have made sure they are strong enough, they will then be inserted into the wheel and then I shall prepare for the test.  8)

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 21, 2009, 12:43:10 AM
Hi all, I cant stop thinking about my wheel, so I thought I would post my thoughts at the moment...

Firstly the weights take an outer position by the rim on one side of the wheel meaning the wheel has got to move. Now, the wheel has to move at a certain speed so that the weights can lift themsleves up from the axle, taking an outer position at the rim of the wheel. So long as the wheel is moving at a certain speed, the weights take themselves in and out of the axle keeping the overbalance, and that overbalance is what keeps the wheel moving, causing them to lift themselves to keep the wheel moving and so on and so on...

What I'm just thinking about is this: If there is an over balance in a wheel, it has to move right? and if that overbalance is constant, then the wheel will speed up. My wheel "may" not be able to perpetuate from stand still because the wheel has to be moving at a certain speed to keep the overbalance, so if I give the wheel a start off push, the weights will keep taking an outer position so long as they keep providng enough momentum to the wheel... what i'm wandering is, even though it "may" not self start, will it still work, so long as they keep taking an outer position? its a bit like throwing a stone down at the floor other than dropping it, even though it cant drop itself "so to speak" throwing it down wont mean it will loose that energy and stop because gravity will keep pulling it, the throw down just starts it off only to result in it getting faster...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 21, 2009, 01:23:51 AM
Hi all, I cant stop thinking about my wheel, so I thought I would post my thoughts at the moment...

Firstly the weights take an outer position by the rim on one side of the wheel meaning the wheel has got to move. Now, the wheel has to move at a certain speed so that the weights can lift themsleves up from the axle, taking an outer position at the rim of the wheel. So long as the wheel is moving at a certain speed, the weights take themselves in and out of the axle keeping the overbalance, and that overbalance is what keeps the wheel moving, causing them to lift themselves to keep the wheel moving and so on and so on...

What I'm just thinking about is this: If there is an over balance in a wheel, it has to move right? and if that overbalance is constant, then the wheel will speed up. My wheel "may" not be able to perpetuate from stand still because the wheel has to be moving at a certain speed to keep the overbalance, so if I give the wheel a start off push, the weights will keep taking an outer position so long as they keep providng enough momentum to the wheel... what i'm wandering is, even though it "may" not self start, will it still work, so long as they keep taking an outer position? its a bit like throwing a stone down at the floor other than dropping it, even though it cant drop itself "so to speak" throwing it down wont mean it will loose that energy and stop because gravity will keep pulling it, the throw down just starts it off only to result in it getting faster...

Alex

A permanent overbalance will cause rotation, but the force to bring the weights that caused the imbalance back to the point where they can restart their imbalancing act always levels out those forces.

It seems..

"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I´ll love ya tomorrow"
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 21, 2009, 01:26:11 AM
If you rely on centrifugal force then I understand the need to hand start.  Looking forward to seeing photos and video!

Tesla
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 21, 2009, 02:23:23 AM
Alex,  Will your wheel work in both directions? 
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 21, 2009, 02:58:36 PM
@AquariuZ: It seems really promising to me, If I put just one weight on the test wheel (not actual wheel for the full test) the weight applies force to the wheel when its even by the axle which gives it an upward thrust causes itself to fly upwards. If I give it a little push, because the weight is already applying force, it lifts to the rim of the wheel then drops down, I have even caused an 8 ounce weight to lift itself from the axle to the rim of the wheel (with the help of a push) The weight doesnt matter because the heavier the weight, the more stronger it lifts itself which results in a lift equal to its weight...

@overtaker: The current design does not let me have a bio-directional wheel, if I do spin it backwards it does the same movement but backwards lol. Having said that, this wheel can easily be modified to do that and even to improve it alot, this idea to me is new and I'm yet to play around with it... When I post it on here, even if it works, we can look at ways to improve it so it can start itself off rather than having to help it, but for all I know, it could be capable of self starting...

P.S The lever has stuck really well, so I shall now do the other 7 and then let them dry... I only have one concern, the wheel has had quite abit of work done to it, and I just hope the levers are strong enough to take the bashing that they receive onto those metal screw bars lol, I will have to put padding on the end of the levers... Its possible that if the wheel works, it will even control its own speed, because as it starts to get faster, the mechanism (due to CF) will start to change lol... the wheel needs to do a complete revolution every 1 second, thats the perfect speed for it...

One final thing, if the wheel does work or even if it doesnt, can I be sure that if I post it on here, it wont be used without asking me first? and will I have any credit for this find?

Edit: I'm now going to buy some batteries for this little camera and I will make a video of the movment and various other things and then I have it ready to post on here...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 21, 2009, 07:31:42 PM
Ok all, this is hopfully the final update before the test.


All the levers have been glued, they will be left overnight to stick meaning that the test shall be performed tomoz... I have made a video describing the movement that a single weighted lever does (which all the levers take this same movement).

Now let me say this, after all of this excitment, and no matter how good it sounds, dont get your hopes up to much incase of dissapointment, it might work, it might not, I dont know yet and I wont say until the test has been correctly done...

However, weather it works or not, it is somthing IMHO to be worked with, the wheel is almost like a spinning top that throws its weight up and out, I just hope this hasnt been done already, because that will bring us dissapointment, but I have not seen this anywhere eles before as far as I can remember...

I would like to appologise for the delays, I was kinda hoping the wheel would be done by now, but atleast by taking the time, it will be well made...

Thanks everyone for your support

Alex

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 21, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
Alex, if this works and you open source it what better place than overunity.com?

O, and you will get all credit, believe me. Probably more than you would like (like a swarm of journalists in your hometown e.g.)

Your description of the effortless lift matches the Bessler literature!

Good luck

AZ
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 22, 2009, 12:24:08 AM
Greetings Alex

 When something is open sourced, it becomes public domain. Only those who will hold your name will give you credit. There are allot of people here that will. But what about the others? Those who will take your idea and manufacture it and give you nothing, but will advertise about THEIR great free energy machine. With out a patent to force your due credit, you will have no power against them, unless larger money stands behind you. The real story, and the facts of our lives in the age of open market thievery.

I myself will always give credit where credit is due, but that support still won't pay the bills. Like I have been saying. Get it patented and while even on patent pending you can show it and you known credit is secure. Then you need to watch out for the changers who try to patent over a patent with just a few altered changes.

You know where I stand Alex. Good luck!
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 22, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Greetings Alex

 When something is open sourced, it becomes public domain. Only those who will hold your name will give you credit. There are allot of people here that will. But what about the others? Those who will take your idea and manufacture it and give you nothing, but will advertise about THEIR great free energy machine. With out a patent to force your due credit, you will have no power against them, unless larger money stands behind you. The real story, and the facts of our lives in the age of open market thievery.

I myself will always give credit where credit is due, but that support still won't pay the bills. Like I have been saying. Get it patented and while even on patent pending you can show it and you known credit is secure. Then you need to watch out for the changers who try to patent over a patent with just a few altered changes.

You know where I stand Alex. Good luck!

money money money

What about mankind?

You cannot eat money
You may burn it though, if you are cold

Truly now, if Alex has something do you really think he will have to worry about his bills?

He will be mentioned in the same sentence as Stephen Hawking for Pete´s sake...

He can write books
He can make movies
He can open shopping malls
Hold lectures
Tour the world on invitation
Women will kiss his feet

And yes, he will have more money than he can spend

And I want to be his manager

So, remind me again why you want him to enter the (proven dead end) road of getting a patent on a Perpetuum Mobile?

Open source -> Prove the concept -> Get replications -> Blast the internet with the results

Everyone will know, and Alex is the man.

Patents. Feh!
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 01:37:36 AM
Greetings Alex

 When something is open sourced, it becomes public domain. Only those who will hold your name will give you credit. There are allot of people here that will. But what about the others? Those who will take your idea and manufacture it and give you nothing, but will advertise about THEIR great free energy machine. With out a patent to force your due credit, you will have no power against them, unless larger money stands behind you. The real story, and the facts of our lives in the age of open market thievery.

I myself will always give credit where credit is due, but that support still won't pay the bills. Like I have been saying. Get it patented and while even on patent pending you can show it and you known credit is secure. Then you need to watch out for the changers who try to patent over a patent with just a few altered changes.

You know where I stand Alex. Good luck!

Hi Alan, firstly just to say, I dont even know myself if it will work yet, so let us not get to excited (that is aimed at everyone including myself) I understand what you are saying Alan, like the guests that read here, they could copy the idea and run off with it before I could notice... to me, its not the money, but the excitment of leaving it to run over night and waking up the next day to see it still spinning... I must admit though, I would want some credit for it, I think your advice is good Alan, your a good friend :)

Now on the other hand, I have made this topic, and told people about it, and of course we have all got excited in some way, I cant just not post it on here now that I have got the interest of others, it would be unloyal on my part, I have an idea, this is to everyone now: What if I just post it to those who are interested in seeing it? Dont forget it might not even work lol

Alex

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 22, 2009, 02:12:13 AM
Alex,  You can patent it ( get patent pending status ) and still give it to the world.  Or, again if it works,  you can patent it and  make sure it is available to the public at an extremely affordable price.   
Some have the opinion that if you ( anyone ) patents a efficient energy source than your the great Satan!   Not true.  Patenting a gravity wheel might be best for mankind.  By the way,  patenting something MAKES it public.  If you decide to offer it for free...GOOD for you.  If you patent it...GOOD for you.  Everyone that says " what about the benefit to mankind " needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves " what did I do today for mankind?  I think the answer to that would be NOTHING.  A lot of people could use a hand nowadays.  Nuff said. 

P.S.  You can talk to your dad and let him help with your decision.

   
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 02:27:54 AM
Alex,  You can patent it ( get patent pending status ) and still give it to the world.  Or, again if it works,  you can patent it and  make sure it is available to the public at an extremely affordable price.   
Some have the opinion that if you ( anyone ) patents a efficient energy source than your the great Satan!   Not true.  Patenting a gravity wheel might be best for mankind.  By the way,  patenting something MAKES it public.  If you decide to offer it for free...GOOD for you.  If you patent it...GOOD for you.  Everyone that says " what about the benefit to mankind " needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves " what did I do today for mankind?  I think the answer to that would be NOTHING.  A lot of people could use a hand nowadays.  Nuff said. 

P.S.  You can talk to your dad and let him help with your decision.

   

We will have to see if it works first... In some ways, by me posting this on here, I feel as though im going beyond myself...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 22, 2009, 02:45:10 AM
Wow, just wow.

Corporate is moving in. This is why you concentrate the floating on forums. Control the flow...

Alex, do not let the "voices of reason" prevent your possible invention in reaching the world. Because that is what happens when you try to patent a world changing idea. It gets shelved or bought up. Sure, you may be rich, but the collective still does not have a new energy source. Open source, the world gets it and you will STILL be rich.

This all hypothetically ofcourse. I cannot believe I am arguing open source here, isn´t this forum supposed to be pro-open source?

Don´t make me create my own forum now... Unbelievable patterns are forming in here... I must start a file on suspicious communications between "members". Yes I am implying unshielded opposing forces. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 22, 2009, 03:06:48 AM
You know one of my favorite colors is Aqua.   Oh well.  I agree with you.  DON'T bury the tech. 
If someone gets patent pending status then shout it from the rooftops, send DVDs to all major universities,  post it everywhere!   We aren't that far apart.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 22, 2009, 03:14:17 AM
Looks like we should bring back the patent vs open source thread again.

Tesla
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 22, 2009, 04:45:40 AM
Wow, just wow.

Corporate is moving in. This is why you concentrate the floating on forums. Control the flow...



Don´t make me create my own forum now... Unbelievable patterns are forming in here... I must start a file on suspicious communications between "members". Yes I am implying unshielded opposing forces. Prove me wrong.

FDROLMAO AquariuZ

 A Blacksmith and a construction worker  Corporate?  FDEOLMAO

The only difference is what can protect the inventors name and possibly a carrier of inventing. Or give it away and work for those who took it from you, just a little above minimum wages. It is your choice.

 Alex
 If it works, do the cover thing until patent pending is in place, then shout it from the mountain tops.
Show it self starting and accelerating, but not how it truly is and that should be enough for the string. IMHO
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 22, 2009, 01:17:19 PM
FDROLMAO AquariuZ

A Blacksmith and a construction worker  Corporate?  FDEOLMAO

NO! You're a shape shifting corporate lizard alien who has replaced the real AB Hammer!  :o :o :o

OK, I may have overreacted a little.

Self portrait attached. Tihi  ;D

Alex, please do not leave us hanging like in the MT Combination thread

Pretty please

AZ
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 22, 2009, 02:02:13 PM
NO! You're a shape shifting corporate lizard alien who has replaced the real AB Hammer!  :o :o :o

OK, I may have overreacted a little.

Self portrait attached. Tihi  ;D

Alex, please do not leave us hanging like in the MT Combination thread

Pretty please

AZ

AquariuZ

386?, dot matrix? That is a very old photo. LOL
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
Well, today is the day, I'm about to put it all together...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Low-Q on April 22, 2009, 03:10:19 PM
I dont agree because though gravity is constant, weights that move in and out of an axle are not, a weight with gravity equals force and that force can be made greater or lesser depending on the position of the weight to the axle of rotation...

Wind is dynamic but even if it wasnt, it could still turn a wheel due to the blades, so that same effect needs to be applied to gravity so that its pull is stronger on one side of a wheel than another but this time, not by blades, but by weights...

Alex
You can alter the torque by moving the weights in and out, but you have to consider the time you have the different torque levels. Energy is torque times time - not torque alone. You will anyway in one revolution lift the weights up as much as they fall down. Those operations respectively require and release the very same energy. Whether the object is moving sideways toward or away from the center doesn't make any difference. It is the UP and DOWN operation of mass that matters. Therefor it is impossible to make a gravity powered motor. I'll bet my balls that you will never make those work.

Vidar
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 22, 2009, 03:18:34 PM
You can alter the torque by moving the weights in and out, but you have to consider the time you have the different torque levels. Energy is torque times time - not torque alone. You will anyway in one revolution lift the weights up as much as they fall down. Those operations respectively require and release the very same energy. Whether the object is moving sideways toward or away from the center doesn't make any difference. It is the UP and DOWN operation of mass that matters. Therefor it is impossible to make a gravity powered motor. I'll bet my balls that you will never make those work.

Vidar

Isn't it torque times angle (displacement)? Time has no business with energy. So it's impossible to have a gravity motor, it's impossible to have a magnet motor...so what is your role on this forum besides spreading how impossible free energy is?

Alex I seemed to have missed this thread. I'm eager to see it as well.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 22, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
Low-Q,    I won't take that bet.   I'm not a fan of mountain oysters.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
Ok the wheel is made, its sitting next to me now, its looks like a piece of Art, the weights are not in yet, but the levers are, the weights can be put in within a few minutes, but before I do, I have to sought another problem, this is the final problem, the levers miss the axle when they should rest upon it, so I need to put somthing around the linside part of the axle to make it thicker, does anyone here have any ideas? maybe tubing? I dont really know, but soon as I do, I will finish it and test it today, then post the reults, thanks all

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 22, 2009, 03:51:41 PM
Try some pvc tube with something on the inside like paper or something to make it fit over your current setup.

Another funny solution...

Take some triple or double A batteries and put them all next to each other on the rim of your current axle. Use ductape to hold them together and give a smooth finish.. You'll probably need double sided tape to not have the batteries make you nuts.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
Try some pvc tube with something on the inside like paper or something to make it fit over your current setup.

Another funny solution...

Take some triple or double A batteries and put them all next to each other on the rim of your current axle. Use ductape to hold them together. You'll probably need double sided tape to not have the batteries make you nuts.

thannks Broli, I will go now and look at some pvc tube, I can take the axle with me and see how it fits....

Back in a min

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 22, 2009, 03:57:19 PM
thannks Broli, I will go now and look at some pvc tube, I can take the axle with me and see how it fits....

Back in a min

Alex

Read the rest of my post.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 22, 2009, 04:08:56 PM
Illustration time...

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: mondrasek on April 22, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
FWIW, I was able to get a provisional patent (on a misguided OU idea) in three days.  It was at the advice of my wife and father at the time.  I wanted to just reveal it.  It would have been cheaper if I did, because I only had a "theory" and some tests but had not produced the whole working model, which would not have been possible.  My goal was to get it to the world as fast as possible, not make money.  But now, in retrospect, I have thought it through in case there is a "next time".

I think patenting it is the way to go, but not for the money.  I would want to force corporations to do good with the invention, as well as make their profit.  I think I would require that they implement humanitarian projects and charitable works as a condition for them being able to sell products using the technology.  And I might require a small percentage of any device they are making a profit off of.  At least enough to pay for the patents, lawyers, and for any charitable works I might like to endow that would not benefit directly from the tech.

Before you go to get a patent you are advised to disclose to one or more non-family members that you can trust (me, me!) so that the tech is safe from mishap to yourself and possible theft (even by the law firm).  This disclosure is your safety net.

So the only question for me is, "Can I live with the guilt of those who suffered and die due to an additional three day delay in releasing the tech?".  That is the biggest decision.  I cannot say that either way is the right path. 

Good luck!

M.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 05:35:12 PM
Everything has been done, I tried spinning the wheel (without the weights) but with just the levers, and another problem has now presented itself to me, the levers catch eachother, so they need to be cut so they miss eachother which will then result in needing an even bigger axle, so i'm going to have to think this through before I can test it with the weights...


Speak to you soon...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 22, 2009, 05:50:27 PM
Everything has been done, I tried spinning the wheel (without the weights) but with just the levers, and another problem has now presented itself to me, the levers catch eachother, so they need to be cut so they miss eachother which will then result in needing an even bigger axle, so i'm going to have to think this through before I can test it with the weights...


Speak to you soon...

Alex

A model would be handy (hint hint)

AZ
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 22, 2009, 09:55:22 PM
A model would be handy (hint hint)

AZ

lol I bet... I found that not all of the levers need cutting, firstly, I'm going to look at the levers, cut them to how they need to be cut, makesure they can lean on the axle if not, then I will need a thicker axle, so in the mean time, could somone tell me what I can use to make the axle even thicker, I dont want it to thick or its defeating the object of the weights going in to make an overbalance...

Yes, I model test would be great, I would appreciate that very much, but I dont want to reveal this untill I have tested it if you dont mind, then the model test can be compared to my real life test...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 23, 2009, 12:36:18 AM
What size is your axle now and how much larger do you want to make it?
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 23, 2009, 12:41:22 AM
What size is your axle now and how much larger do you want to make it?

You'll find out tomorrow  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 01:00:14 AM
What size is your axle now and how much larger do you want to make it?

The axle is now 2cm thick, I need it to be about 4cm thick.

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 23, 2009, 01:11:22 AM
Buy a short piece of pipe 4cm. thick  ( the length you need ) and measure the inside diameter of that pipe.  Take that figure and subtract 2cm.    Take that number and divide by 2.   Now just buy some dowels that size and install several pieces between the pipe and shaft.  I hope this helps.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 01:25:08 AM
Buy a short piece of pipe 4cm. thick  ( the length you need ) and measure the inside diameter of that pipe.  Take that figure and subtract 2cm.    Take that number and divide by 2.   Now just buy some dowels that size and install several pieces between the pipe and shaft.  I hope this helps.

Sorry, Im not quite with you, So I buy:

1. Short piece of pipe 4cm. thick
2. Measure the inside diameter of that pipe
3. Take that figure and subtract 2cm
4. Take that number and divide by 2
5. Buy some dowels that size and install several pieces between the pipe and shaft.

So this means when I have the 4cm. thick pipe, I put dowle through it.

I have some dowel (1.1cm thick) Which I am using for the axle, it runs through a 2cm.thick pipe. So what I need is pipe that is 4cm. thick on the outside and 1.1cm thick on the inside, then that would do the trick just nice, how could I get that though?

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 23, 2009, 01:59:15 AM
It is hard for me to understand your setup without knowing more.   Lets say your new pipe's inside diameter is 4cm. and you are able to slide that over the 2cm. pipe.  That would leave room for 1cm. dowels to be placed all around the 2cm. pipe and under the 4cm. pipe.  If you can't slide these over the existing shaft then we can come up with something else.   :)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 02:15:03 AM
It is hard for me to understand your setup without knowing more.   Lets say your new pipe's inside diameter is 4cm. and you are able to slide that over the 2cm. pipe.  That would leave room for 1cm. dowels to be placed all around the 2cm. pipe and under the 4cm. pipe.  If you can't slide these over the existing shaft then we can come up with something else.   :)

ahhh, I'm with you now, so I would get a 4cm. diameter pipe, place the 1.cm. diameter dowel through it, then place 3cm. diameter dowels around the 1.cm dowel and there we have it...

So I need to buy:

1. 4cm. Dowel
2. 3cm. Dowel (which fit around the 1 cm. dowel)

I will take a little ruler with me to get the correct measurements tomoz...

Infact I have just had an idea, tell me if you think this is better or not:

I could wrap 1.1/2cm dowels around the 1cm. dowel to make it 4.cm thick? It would also make lesss noise if it worked...

Edit: I have now another idea, what if I some how got the 2cm. dowel that I have here, cut 3 pieces and put them around the piece of 1cm. dowel? that would make it 5 cm. thick, maybe there is a way to acheive 4cm. thick doing it this method?


Alex
 
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 23, 2009, 02:29:29 AM
If you place a 4cm. pipe ( inside diameter ) over a 1cm. dowel then you should use 4pcs. of 1 1/2cm. dowels between the two.   This will give you a solid surface for your levers.   
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 02:45:23 AM
If you place a 4cm. pipe ( inside diameter ) over a 1cm. dowel then you should use 4pcs. of 1 1/2cm. dowels between the two.   This will give you a solid surface for your levers.   


Right then, thats sorted, all I need to do now is, cut the levers so they can all swing, then make the axle...

The wheel is quite heavy without the weights, the weights are about 1 ounce each, I just hope they are heavy enough to move the wheel and sustain motion...


Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: fletcher on April 23, 2009, 03:57:56 AM
Alex .. you're making a false floor & inserting some spacers so there's a nice even gap from the original surface - perhaps try rapping tape around the dowels if you need to increase diameters or use wedges.

You can fill with expanding liquid foam [gorilla glue] once in position if you want more rigidity.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 08:26:53 AM
Alex .. you're making a false floor & inserting some spacers so there's a nice even gap from the original surface - perhaps try rapping tape around the dowels if you need to increase diameters or use wedges.

You can fill with expanding liquid foam [gorilla glue] once in position if you want more rigidity.

Hold on, I'm making a false floor? you mean that I shouldnt be having the gap? Should I just wrap tape around them then to make the axle thickers? I thought the other way seemed good....?

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 23, 2009, 08:58:43 AM
Hey, check out this thread.. seem familiar? ... j/k  ;)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7134.0;topicseen
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: fletcher on April 23, 2009, 09:01:30 AM
figuratively speaking Alex, lol.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
lol excuse my lack of "mental power" this morning.... I think I got up a tad to early, 7 oclock, which for me is, well..... anyway, where were we   ;D

Soooo, ermmm just typing for fun now  ;D right... today I will go and "attempt" to finish this darn thing off before I loose my head, any more "hints" or tips you may want to give me? lol righty, I'm off for a cup of coffee, ciao

Alex


Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Tracker on April 23, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Hey, check out this thread.. seem familiar? ... j/k  ;)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7134.0;topicseen

Hi 4Tesla,

Not funny  ;) How can you compare some Newbie with Alexioco, a man that contributes so much to our community. Shame :)
Alex - Go for it, we are all wating, preparing our PVC pipes.

regards,

Tracker
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 11:36:38 AM
Hi 4Tesla,

Not funny  ;) How can you compare some Newbie with Alexioco, a man that contributes so much to our community. Shame :)
Alex - Go for it, we are all wating, preparing our PVC pipes.

regards,

Tracker

lol, thanks for the support, oh and I'm 19 by the way   ;D

In a min, I'm going to go and buy some axle "stuff" again and then cut the levers and see what happens...


ta ta for now

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
ok I got the stuff, and it just so happend that its the exact size I need so whoooooo, I will now make the axle then cut the levers abit later...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 01:20:36 PM
Ok, right, I had to go back again and buy another dowel, which cost me £2, nevermind though, the axle is now done, 6 1cm. diameter dowels have been placed around a 1.cm dowel axle inside a 4cm tube. All that is left to do now (as I keep saying) is to cut the levers so they dont tough one another, and then I should be able to test (I hope) the nails that hold the weights in may cause me a problem, I'm hoping they dont, but if they do, then dont be surprised lol

Edit: I just gave the wheel a spin with the new axle in (without the weights) its looking quite good, of course, the levers dont lift because they hit one another, which is why I need to cut them, some levers will be slightly longer than others, but the weights should be all the same according to eachother... The sooner, I can test this, the sooner I can reveal it, like I say, (I have to stress this) I am not saying it will work or it wont work until I have tested this, but whatever the outcome, I think you will like the idea and maybe it can be worked on...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 23, 2009, 02:11:57 PM
Alex

 For fine adjustment, larger tooth files then sandpaper are very handy. I also keep a fine wire tooth brush for cleaning out the files.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 4Tesla on April 23, 2009, 07:12:13 PM
Hi 4Tesla,

Not funny  ;) How can you compare some Newbie with Alexioco, a man that contributes so much to our community. Shame :)
Alex - Go for it, we are all wating, preparing our PVC pipes.

regards,

Tracker

Okay.. bad humor.. I do support Alex and can't wait to see his wheel.. Alex keep up the great work!

Tesla
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 23, 2009, 11:48:18 PM
Alex

 For fine adjustment, larger tooth files then sandpaper are very handy. I also keep a fine wire tooth brush for cleaning out the files.

I have some sandpaper which i can use, the wheel is pretty neat though, cant wait to show you all...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 24, 2009, 05:50:53 PM
Ok, the levers have been cut, some need to be glued again which is starting to get on my nerves... once they have been glued again I can test it, looks like I have to wait till tomoz now before I can test it..............................

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Chad on April 24, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
Hi Alex hope you are well mate, il be waiting to hear of your results :)

Chad.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 24, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
Hi Alex hope you are well mate, il be waiting to hear of your results :)

Chad.

Hi Chad, I seem to be getting quite a bit of opposition in trying to complete this wheel, I have dropped one of the levers, it needs to be completely glued again, the others just need a certain part glueing, if it hadnt of been for that, I would now start the test, but I will have to wait for tomoz now...

I will have to get some padding for the levers because the power that they hit the resting points on the rim of the wheel is quite somthing and I think that is what is making them weaker...

Edit: Yep, I just tried spinning the wheel with all but 1 lever in (without weights) and another part came off, so they need glueing again then some padding to prevent them from braking again. If the wheel does work, then it will surly destroy itself and I will have no wheel....lol

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 25, 2009, 05:40:29 AM
Hi Alex

 I would suggest a few still shots and mount a video  to video the attempt. I will be finishing up one of my wheel this weekend as well.

 Good luck
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 25, 2009, 11:07:52 AM
Hi Chad, I seem to be getting quite a bit of opposition in trying to complete this wheel, I have dropped one of the levers, it needs to be completely glued again, the others just need a certain part glueing, if it hadnt of been for that, I would now start the test, but I will have to wait for tomoz now...

I will have to get some padding for the levers because the power that they hit the resting points on the rim of the wheel is quite somthing and I think that is what is making them weaker...

Edit: Yep, I just tried spinning the wheel with all but 1 lever in (without weights) and another part came off, so they need glueing again then some padding to prevent them from braking again. If the wheel does work, then it will surly destroy itself and I will have no wheel....lol

Alex

Keep it up Alex you're doing a great job.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 25, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
Thanks everyone for your support, the levers have been glued and nailed (thanks to my dad) and are now being left to dry...

I have one lever that didnt brake, its been nailed and I have tried putting it into the wheel and spinning the wheel to see if it does what it should be doing, the answer is: not quite.... the weight flys upwards then hits the bar and bounces back to the axle, i tried wraping the bar with a soft material but it still bounces back down... I do know a solution but in means drilling the wheel again and moving the bars, which at the moment is to much and I dont want to make a mess of the wheel...

Edit: There seems to be a bit more hope for this wheel now, when I add the second weight onto the one lever so they act in pairs, the weights lift up and stay up, by rights the levers should stay up with just the single weight, but they dont, nevermind though, its got a lot better chance now, so thats a relief...  Tomoz, is "HOPFULLY" the day I can test the wheel, I have 8 weights, I need another 8 so they can act in pairs then I'm done..... I hope lol

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 25, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
Here is a bit of info about the wheel...

This diagram below is what the position of the "main" weights are like at any one time... the weights that do the helping hardly move from their positions so I omitted them for now... I wont tell you the action they are doing, but thats just what the position looks like... I will tell you this, one of the two weights on the left (the ones next to eachother) one of them is weightless, atleast, by its action, it seems  to be to me...

Alex

Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: mr_bojangles on April 25, 2009, 08:54:38 PM
nice pic

are you rotating it clockwise?

that was my impression of it


you definitely have my attention

surely the key to OU is gravity, but we need to rethink what we use it for

personally ive never attempted a gravity wheel specifically, i think it needs to be used in combination with other things to achieve true OU

yet i always enjoy trying to think of a way to make any gravity wheel work



welll il try to help when u get ur testing done

good luck


until next time
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 26, 2009, 01:12:01 AM
nice pic

are you rotating it clockwise?

that was my impression of it


you definitely have my attention

surely the key to OU is gravity, but we need to rethink what we use it for

personally ive never attempted a gravity wheel specifically, i think it needs to be used in combination with other things to achieve true OU

yet i always enjoy trying to think of a way to make any gravity wheel work



welll il try to help when u get ur testing done

good luck


until next time

Yes, it is meant to turn clockwise, like I keep saying in my earlier posts, I dont know if it will work or not, I recon its a 50-50 chance, the levers for the wheel are now done and installed, half the weights are installed, on monday I should be buying the pins to install the final 8 weights, then I will get some padding so they dont brake through the force, then I shall test it. The day I test it is unknown, but it should not be to long now... I have had a few problems to overcome with this wheel, but its on its way now. Most of you would laugh at its simplicity and could probably make it within a few days, but my experience in this is not that high, so it takes me time...

A few more interesting things now for me to say... I have tried just letting the wheel go (not spinning it) with half of the amount of weights in, and it turns about half a revolution, so I suspect that when they are all added, the wheel will turn half a revolution without a push, when its pushed, the weights will lift themselves up and hopfully keep the wheel going, but we will just have to wait and see... Dont expect to much, because like I say, its a 50-50 chance...

P.S Thanks mr_bojangles for your support, much appreciated

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 26, 2009, 04:50:19 AM
Mr.Bojangles......What a great name ( and song )!

Alex, your building skills will improve with every prototype.

Mr. AB Hammer had some nice things to say about you in a conversation I had with him.

He likes your enthusiasm and creative mind.

So do I.

Good luck.   :)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 26, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
Mr.Bojangles......What a great name ( and song )!

Alex, your building skills will improve with every prototype.

Mr. AB Hammer had some nice things to say about you in a conversation I had with him.

He likes your enthusiasm and creative mind.

So do I.

Good luck.   :)

Thanks very much :), I admire you anf AB Hammer (plus other various members) for your knowledge that you have posted/shared with me and I also thank AB Hammer for trusting me with some of his designs... your support is fantastic and I have never seen such members from any other sites that know what they are talking about as much as some of the members here.

Thanks

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 26, 2009, 07:31:54 PM
Little update: I tried letting the wheel go with half of the amount of weights, when the wheel starts to move and the weights fly upwards, it causes the wheel to accelerate for a second, seems good, but just as Bessler once said on MT 18, seeming is different from being...

If it works, I want to leaving it running all night then see if it's still moving the following morning, meaning I will need a place to put it as it will be quite noisey which brings me to a question...  What can I use as padding for when the weights hit the bar at the top of the wheel? Because they bounce off the bar. Would foam be a could choice? or is it too bouncey?

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: 0c on April 26, 2009, 08:03:37 PM
What can I use as padding for when the weights hit the bar at the top of the wheel? Because they bounce off the bar. Would foam be a could choice? or is it too bouncey?

Depends on what you want the weight to do. Do you want it to bounce (use a material with a lot of elasticity, like steel)? ... or do you want the bar to absorb the ball's energy and then let gravity take over (use foam or something with low elasticity). Seems to me you would want to retain as much of the weight's energy as possible, so you should probably use a highly elastic material and a firmly mounted bar.

A picture or 2 showing how the weights impact the bar would help.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 26, 2009, 08:46:47 PM
You could use those kitchen sponges.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 26, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
Depends on what you want the weight to do. Do you want it to bounce (use a material with a lot of elasticity, like steel)? ... or do you want the bar to absorb the ball's energy and then let gravity take over (use foam or something with low elasticity). Seems to me you would want to retain as much of the weight's energy as possible, so you should probably use a highly elastic material and a firmly mounted bar.

A picture or 2 showing how the weights impact the bar would help.

I need somthing that will absorb the impact of the weights when they hit the bar so they dont bounce back down to the axle, so maybe foam?

Tomoz is the day all of the weights will be installed which then means it could be tested, but I dont want the weighted levers smashing themsevles to pieces lol... So I will try and get some foam.

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 27, 2009, 01:47:44 AM
If you absorb the impact all the kinetic energy the weight had will be lost into the material you use to absorb the impact.

If you are planning on using the impact to drive the wheel this may not be the best idea..

Just a thought

AZ
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 27, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Ok all, this is the moment we have been waiting for, the machine/wheel has been tested (without the foam for absorbing the weights)  and the results are: It does not self run... when I spin the wheel, I can feel a lot of force as the weights push down, but it still comes to a stop, I would think, because its not a self starter then thats why it stops, having said that, the wheel has no start or end to "how" the mechanism works, to start the wheel off, you have to throw a weight upwards at the same time as pushing the wheel in order for them to exercise their movement...

Now that I have satisfied my question, we can now work on this wheel because I'm sure you will really like how it works, but before I show you, I would like to say, I dont mind people using my idea into one of their wheels so long as you alert me on PM or Email... thanks

P.S I'm now going to look for the connection for my cam so I can post how the wheel works, pictures will be supplied too...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 27, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
Thanks Alex.   I'm looking forward to see how it takes two revolutions to make one movement.

Sorry to hear your wheel isn't a runner.   Is it possible to change the weight ( more or less ) and try some more?
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 27, 2009, 02:05:53 PM
Thanks Alex.   I'm looking forward to see how it takes two revolutions to make one movement.

Sorry to hear your wheel isn't a runner.   Is it possible to change the weight ( more or less ) and try some more?

I havnt found the wire that connects the camera to this laptop yet, i wil keep on looking, if i cant find it, then I will draw it :P
The wheel can be greatly improved which I would be honoured to have your help plus other people here :) I have a few ideas for improvement, in the mean time, I will just look for that wire, speak to you soon...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 27, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
Alex,  as far as someone using your idea in one of their wheels,  once you post it here it is open season.   If they alert you by email or PM that is up to the individual.  I would let you know myself but I'm sure many would not.

You are also risking someone using your idea,  making a few changes,  and heading off to the patent office leaving you out in the cold.   I would not be surprised if some companies have people surfing just for that purpose.

If you are OK with that risk then post away.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 27, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
...well...a simple snapshot from a mobilephone would be sufficient....while we wait.
I really look forward to see your video, Alex

ruggero ;-)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 27, 2009, 08:48:16 PM
Alex,  as far as someone using your idea in one of their wheels,  once you post it here it is open season.   If they alert you by email or PM that is up to the individual.  I would let you know myself but I'm sure many would not.

You are also risking someone using your idea,  making a few changes,  and heading off to the patent office leaving you out in the cold.   I would not be surprised if some companies have people surfing just for that purpose.

If you are OK with that risk then post away.

I absolutley agree with you, so I should not post it? the only problem is, I have posted here getting people excited, waiting to see it, what do I do? What if I post it to those who request on my pm?
I want your advice overtaker...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 27, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
My advice is.... it is your decision.   Did you talk to your father?    You could share it with an experienced builder that has good character and you trust.   They may see something in the design of value or may say it is a dead end and explain why.   From that assessment you can make your decision.   Whoever GIVES AWAY a working design will sit back and watch someone else make a lot of money off it.   Just my opinion.  :)   
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: broli on April 27, 2009, 10:28:54 PM
overtaker this is how you stop progress and true science. This website is about helping each other and sharing ideas to come to true free energy. By making people paranoid you stop progress and are not helping the bigger cause. This has been discussed a million times already.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 27, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
Broli     He asked for my advise.  How is it making someone paranoid by telling them someone will use his idea and profit from it?   If a working gravity wheel is discovered, and open sourced,  how do you think they will be built?  Only by the do-it-yourself crowd?   NOT!!!!   Someone will find a way to patent it and sell it.  How would the gravity wheel farms be built?  Only by the do-it-yourself crowd?  NOT!!!!     Wake up.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 27, 2009, 11:32:04 PM
overtaker this is how you stop progress and true science. This website is about helping each other and sharing ideas to come to true free energy. By making people paranoid you stop progress and are not helping the bigger cause. This has been discussed a million times already.

 Yes broli
 It has been discussed  a million times it seems. And you still can't wait a few days while somebody wants to protect themselves. All we here from you is give it away. When I get a wheel it will be estimated from 10 to 30 days to make sure the protections is properly in place (patent pending) and then you will get to see how it works. Would you deny the inventors wrights to protect themselves? It seems so.  :'(

 If Alex wants to give it away it is his wright to do so, but I wouldn't recommend it without proper protection so his name would be attached to what he has done, when he does it. Otherwise he would be taking a chance to not even being remembered.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 12:24:37 AM
... but I wouldn't recommend it without proper protection so his name would be attached to what he has done, when he does it. Otherwise he would be taking a chance to not even being remembered.

– you don't need a patent for that..!
A patent gives you the right to get paid, for being remembered.... if there is something to be remembered for, offcourse.

I sure would like to remember Alex.
But for now, all I DO remember is his writings concerning a NON-WORKING experiment, a half-finished drawing with some black dots, and a broken promise to disclose both video and drawings.

Yes - I would sure like to remember Alex....but hopefully for somthing more than that.

ruggero  ;-)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 12:36:16 AM
...Whoever GIVES AWAY a working design will sit back and watch someone else make a lot of money off it.   Just my opinion.  :)   

As I read these posts – we witness a NON-WORKING design.

If anyone wish to make a lot of money out of that, the 'thief' will have to accomplish some damn good thinking by himself.

I say: Get something usefull from this forum...and give back something equally valuable.
Otherwise, hit and run!

ruggero ‚-]
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 28, 2009, 02:46:49 AM
– you don't need a patent for that..!
A patent gives you the right to get paid, for being remembered.... if there is something to be remembered for, offcourse.

I sure would like to remember Alex.
But for now, all I DO remember is his writings concerning a NON-WORKING experiment, a half-finished drawing with some black dots, and a broken promise to disclose both video and drawings.

Yes - I would sure like to remember Alex....but hopefully for somthing more than that.

ruggero  ;-)

ruggero

 I see you have never had credit stolen from you before. Believe me, when they steal from you, they will try to overshadow you till non-existence of who invented it. No offense they say, it is just business.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
ruggero

 I see you have never had credit stolen from you before. Believe me, when they steal from you, they will try to overshadow you till non-existence of who invented it. No offense they say, it is just business.

They..?  Who's "they"...?

If you were a businessman ever to steal something...what could you ever imagine to accomblish by stealing something that obviously doesn't work?

And if you – as a businessman – succeed to make such improvements that it finally work (i.e. meet the claim or fulfil the purpose)...who deserves the credit for  making it possible?

See, that's what patent pending is all about: Meet the claims.

If you are in here just to rip off other peoples experience, their free advices, their lifelong knowledge and helping hands, for simply making a (money) profit of your own, then I'm not sure you comprehend the true meaning of "Free Energy".

And...if you really were serious about non-disclosure, you wouldn't have waiting untill page 10 to give your advice to Alex: In that case surely your advice would have been the very first reply in this thread..!

Just my 2 cent....

ruggero  ;-)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 28, 2009, 12:23:42 PM
I guess we will never know the design Alex had in mind.

Pity. Another one bites the dust.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 28, 2009, 02:37:08 PM
ruggero

 Alex is a friend and I have been giving him this advice for several months before this string. It is all up to him and no one can stop what he wants to do, and as a friend I can only help with advice. Again I don't say don't show. What I say is show it, after the protection in in place. So you have to wait just a little longer is all. But I guess we are in the days of people only being happy with instant gratification. ::)

 It reminds me of these sayings about life.
(The cry)
I want what I want when I want it!
(The answer)
You will get what I got when you get it!
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ramset on April 28, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
AB
A disclaimer [ 1st post ]

I know this is an open source site  ,I have an idea that I intend to patent once WE get it to work

Who will help me?

Chet
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: mondrasek on April 28, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
A patent does not necessarily make you greedy or rich.  It gives you the right to attempt to exercise CONTROL of an invention.  And that CONTROL can mean a lot of different things, not just money.

Reputable companies will attempt to licence patented technology.  The licence agreement does not only have to be about money.  It could say, "For every free energy device the company sells for a profit in a first world country one identical unit must be donated to a third world country."  It can also limit the use of the technology to be something like, "Only the production of Drinking Water Pumping Equipment for which a total gross sales margin of 10% will be the maximum."

So, the CONTROL you exert can be good or evil, for profit or charity, etc.  Do with it what you will.  Take no action on your patent whatsoever, and only your name is guaranteed, not wealth.

If a free energy device came out, I believe that "for profit" corporations would immediately develop products that were profitable.  These would be for markets where the most profit could be made.  So that would be for first world nations and commercial applications like electric power generators for plugging into the existing grid.  This is "good", but maybe not "best", and may delay the development of more immediate humanitarian products like water pumps and sanitation facilities for the poorer citizens of the planet.  Why not use your CONTROL of a patent to force the Siemens and GEs of the world to do both simultaneously by limiting their ability to make a profit from your tech to their ability to also make those water pumps?

Some money will be needed for all the lawyers to write and enforce your licences.  That easily could come from the profits of the corporations who sell to the rich countries who can afford it anyway.  No money need be taken from devices going to help the mankind who cannot afford to pay for the lawyer's fancy suits.

And so some un-reputable companies will try to get away with profiting from your tech without a licence.  You use your CONTROL to shut them down or take away their profits to do with what you will.  Again, what you do with the CONTROL given you by a patent is up to you.  Patents can be used as much for unselfish good as for evil or selfish ends.

M.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ramset on April 28, 2009, 03:14:16 PM
mondrasek

You see no concerns with the Gov't  classifying

 NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES?

Chet
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AB Hammer on April 28, 2009, 03:16:15 PM
Greetings Chet

>>A disclaimer [ 1st post ]<<

Well, do any of us have to money to protect the disclaimer?

 >>Who will help me?<<

 I will do what I can. I am not rich, but a poor Blacksmith. But I can help by giving advice from my experiences. I can also evaluate a design and give you the possibilities on what to expect from it. When I get one of my wheels running I will be going to Ralph's for his help and contacts.

 Now if someone shows me a design and I have a design change to add (not a minor adjustment). Then it would be best to work together. For a running wheel is bigger than all of us, and the do it yourself people here would need to know as quickly as possible but only shown after patent pending is in place. For the do it yourself people will be your world wide conformation of the breakthrough as well as free energy needs. The patent is to make the money from the non do it yourself people who would buy it. Believe me they outnumber us a million to one. Big business knows this and it would truly be a multibillion dollar idea and only a "God" can afford to give that away in this style economy.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: mondrasek on April 28, 2009, 03:35:59 PM
mondrasek

You see no concerns with the Gov't  classifying

 NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES?

Chet

Can't really say with authority.  I have had only one experience with getting PATENT PENDING status.  This involved working with a lawyer, NOT the patent office.  The lawyer, writes the documents, annotates the diagrams, and files the patent electronically.  This gives you an application number and patent pending status.  As far as I know, no government patent officials even look at it.  And it took only three days.  Would have been two if I had my write up and drawings ready when I first met with the lawyers.  I was emailing and posting the filed application within a few hours of having received it by email from my lawyer.  With that process I can't see how the government could have stopped anything.

IF something were to happen that prevented me from having received my application number, I could have then published on the web.  And before going to the lawyer I followed the advice of law firms available on the web and I disclosed the invention and copied the write up and drawings to several trustworthy non-family members.  So if anything happened to ME after contacting the lawyers, they could also publish on the web, or be my witness that the information was stolen from me.

The only risk that I see is that you find out you have a worthless application, either because the idea does not work, or because someone else has filed on the same idea prior to you.  Then you would have no way to recoup the loss of the lawyer and filing fees.  I lost ~$2800 US.  A lesson I could afford (but not like one bit), but one I try to help others avoid by assisting with the analysis of their ideas when I can.
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 03:56:40 PM
ruggero

 Alex is a friend and I have been giving him this advice for several months before this string. It is all up to him and no one can stop what he wants to do, and as a friend I can only help with advice. Again I don't say don't show. What I say is show it, after the protection in in place. So you have to wait just a little longer is all. But I guess we are in the days of people only being happy with instant gratification. ::)

Please AB...read what I wrote and don't give me that crap.

From the posting in this thread it is more than obviously clear that Alex DID NOT have any advice – what-so-ever – from noone, until AFTER the test run. Not even from his father....!

As I wrote – specifically – If you seriously were concerned about disclosure of Alex' design, you would have done that as reply no. 1 in this thread.

Well...noone did!
In fact, both you and Overtaker waited till AFTER the test run to bring the matter of disclosure on the table.
In fact, Alex wouldn't have said that he wanted to disclose both drawings and video (several times, both before and after the test run), if he have had discussions and advice on this matter BEFORE opening this thread.
In fact, Alex did ask for advice...from Overtaker!...AFTER the test run.

Just for the record, a look at the history says it all:

AB Hammer: « Reply #90 on: April 25, 2009, 03:40:29 AM »

"Hi Alex – I would suggest a few still shots and mount a video  to video the attempt..."
_____________

Alexioco: « Reply #103 on: April 27, 2009, 10:22:21 AM »

(From the report on the negative test run)...:

"Now that I have satisfied my question, we can now work on this wheel because I'm sure you will really like how it works, but before I show you, I would like to say, I dont mind people using my idea into one of their wheels so long as you alert me on PM or Email... thanks

P.S I'm now going to look for the connection for my cam so I can post how the wheel works, pictures will be supplied too...Alex"

_____________

Alexioco: « Reply #105 on: April 27, 2009, 12:05:53 PM »

"I havnt found the wire that connects the camera to this laptop yet, i wil keep on looking, if i cant find it, then I will draw it.
The wheel can be greatly improved which I would be honoured to have your help plus other people here. Alex"
____________

Alexioco: « Reply #108 on: April 27, 2009, 06:48:16 PM »

(Reply to advice from Overtaker):

"I absolutley agree with you, so I should not post it? the only problem is, I have posted here getting people excited, waiting to see it, what do I do? What if I post it to those who request on my pm?
I want your advice overtaker...Alex"
_____________

ruggero ;-)


Oh...BTW have anyone looked at Alex's email address? grandtheftauto_iv@yahoo.co.uk
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 28, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Ruggero,   I respect your opinion but get your facts strait!     Saying Alex did not have any disclosure

advise till after the test run is not true.   The issue of disclosure was discussed from AB Hammer in

reply #42, Before the test!   The same for me,  reply #45,  Before the test!    :o
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
I see what you mean Overtaker, though it still don't change the fact, that Alex did not get advise of disclosure in reply no. 1 of this thread....and Alex state his opinion on disclosure from the very start.

The point here is that we need to respect the intentions and motivations that people state, and not try to make them paranoid and neclect their opinions:

...I understand what you are saying Alan, like the guests that read here, they could copy the idea and run off with it before I could notice... to me, its not the money, but the excitment of leaving it to run over night and waking up the next day to see it still spinning... I must admit though, I would want some credit for it,...

Now on the other hand, I have made this topic, and told people about it, and of course we have all got excited in some way, I cant just not post it on here now that I have got the interest of others, it would be unloyal on my part, ...
Alex

– and please do remember, that we are talking about a NON-WORKING design here, that won't have a slightest chance of getting a patent approval.

So where are the working  design you want to patent?

Does all this secretcy an unloyalty make Alex more happy?
If a non-working design can't have patent approval, does that bring Alex any credit?
Does it bring Alex (or anyone else for that matter) any further?

ruggero  ;-)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 28, 2009, 05:39:06 PM
Right, I have made my descision: Firstly it is a NONE RUNNER, but it does have its own qualities... I am going to reveal it just like I promised from the start, those who steal it for themsevles are an example to themsevles and others, I will think twice next time before I make a single post...

P.S I will not post footage of the arangement of weights at the moment, I will show you the movement that a single weight takes then thats all there is to know...


Black weight = Main Weight
Red weight = Assistance Weight (Not Essential, can work without)
Arrow = Direction of Rotation
Brown Peg = What the weight rests on when it flips itself up to the top

When the wheel is softly spun, the weighted lever swings out from the axle to the rim at the bottom of the wheel, by the time it has reached the rim, its at the top of the wheel, the weight then pushes down on the wheel, when the weight reaches the bottom, it carries itself to the axle as the wheel turns so to get back in the starting position that you see... when one weight is resting by the axle as you see in the pic, another weight next to it is resting on the rim (not shown), they keep swapping places so there is always a weight at the top...

Alex




Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: ruggero on April 28, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
Thanks Alex,
Don't worry...you will be remembered and credited!

Would you like to be notified on any improvements?

ruggero  ;-)
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 28, 2009, 07:10:07 PM
I wouldnt mind, it may not be a runner, it may not even be any use at all (i think it may be though) but its got a good qualtiy and its simple! and I will discuss more later (eating) so yes, i wouldnt mind, and i yes i do know there will be people that wont...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: overtaker on April 28, 2009, 07:36:07 PM
Alex,    All along it was your choice.  I respect the choice you made. 

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: Alexioco on April 28, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
Now that I have posted it, i want to know what everyone thinks? the weight swings down from the axle to the rim of the wheel by letting gravity pull it down from the axle causing it to swing out, but the wheel moves so the swing goes up, the next step is getting it to swing up to the axle, maybe by the force of the weights hitting the top rim they can send a impulse to the bottom weight... there are some very interesting things that can be done with this, which I wil compose a complete detailed dexcription of what it does and what other things can be done...

Alex
Title: Re: New Wheel Design
Post by: AquariuZ on April 29, 2009, 03:17:35 AM
Right, I have made my descision: Firstly it is a NONE RUNNER, but it does have its own qualities... I am going to reveal it just like I promised from the start, those who steal it for themsevles are an example to themsevles and others, I will think twice next time before I make a single post...

P.S I will not post footage of the arangement of weights at the moment, I will show you the movement that a single weight takes then thats all there is to know...


Black weight = Main Weight
Red weight = Assistance Weight (Not Essential, can work without)
Arrow = Direction of Rotation
Brown Peg = What the weight rests on when it flips itself up to the top

When the wheel is softly spun, the weighted lever swings out from the axle to the rim at the bottom of the wheel, by the time it has reached the rim, its at the top of the wheel, the weight then pushes down on the wheel, when the weight reaches the bottom, it carries itself to the axle as the wheel turns so to get back in the starting position that you see... when one weight is resting by the axle as you see in the pic, another weight next to it is resting on the rim (not shown), they keep swapping places so there is always a weight at the top...

Alex


I think it is nifty... Thanks for posting the idea, lets see if it can be modeled and tested..