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Alexioco

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New Wheel Design
« on: April 17, 2009, 01:52:51 AM »
Hello all, I would like to present to you a new type of movement that I found by mistake, in which weights can raise themselves to the rim of the wheel then gravitate back to the axle, its all self controlled without the need for any assistance...

You will be glad to know that I have nearly finished building this wheel, I dont know if it will work or not but either way, I think you will be quite impressed and it should boost your imaginations... Let me tell you alittle about the nature of this "mechanism"...

There are two weights that work together (they are not connected to eachother) one takes an outer position while the other one rests on the axle, soon, they swap places and continue to swap places so long as the wheel keeps moving (due to the overbalance) which then causes the weights to raise themselves up in order to keep the wheel moving and so on...

Again, I'm not saying that its going to work, because I dont know till I have finished it...

Before I reveal this to you I want to finish it (no longer than a week) test it, then post footage of my results. If it is not finished by a week, then I will post on here how its works with footage of the experiment with a single weight...

It is an incredibly simple design, when I showed my dad, he saw the weight lifting itself to the rim and he laughed thinking that I was trying to fool him haha

anyway, for the time being I want to leave you a big clue to how it works to see what you come up with, the wheel takes TWO revolutions to complete a single movement...

Alex

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 03:37:58 AM »
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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 03:44:33 AM »
I am very intrigued!  Do the weights raise to the rim at 12o'clock?   Then gravitate back to the axle?
Most designs want the weight from the rim at 12 o'clock to stay at the rim till 6 o'clock then back to the axle.  I'm so confused but also so excited to hear " the rest of the story ".

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
Greetings Alex

 I have been up to my ears in work trying to catch up on orders, so I have only been able to post on occasion. I sent you an e-mail with a design that is similar to your description. I hope to get back on my wheels next week. As per your question of the other design. It is possible but it would have to be extremely large to do it, but it is possible. I just don't have the resources to go any further on it, and it would not have much power due to being eat up in the device. Just think of the guy in France that built one the size of a large Farris wheel.

Good luck I am looking forward to your build

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 12:55:57 PM »
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)

Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 01:53:14 PM »
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)

lol you will see the best ever non-runner yet  ;) actually i'm kinda of hoping it works  :o

@Alan, ok Alan, I will check the email you sent me, never mind about that other wheel then Alan, its ok, if this new wheel doesnt work, I will have a go at it :)

There is somthing strange about this wheel, if it works, im not sure if it can start itself off because: there is no start or finish to the wheel, so that means, when its still it is wrong, it has to be moving to exercise its spoecial movment, if the wheel is still and started off it will do the wrong movment, so i will have to start it off in a very strange way until i can sort it out lol

I'm 50 - 50 to weather it will work or not, if not then it is possible to improve it by adjusting the weights etc which when I post it on we can have a good look at it either way... if the wheel can start itself off and complete its movment, then its a runner, if it cant and i have to give it a push, then i dont know what the result will be, the weights do indeed lift to keep the wheel going, but its weather there is enough momentum to keep it going, have to see...

Alex

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2009, 02:01:21 PM »
Just think of the guy in France that built one the size of a large Farris wheel.

but this device does not work !

Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 02:02:45 PM »
I am very intrigued!  Do the weights raise to the rim at 12o'clock?   Then gravitate back to the axle?
Most designs want the weight from the rim at 12 o'clock to stay at the rim till 6 o'clock then back to the axle.  I'm so confused but also so excited to hear " the rest of the story ".

Hi overtaker, the weights lift themselves just before 12 o clock and push down to the bottom at 6 oclock then take themselves into the axle... a single weight can do this on its own.

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 03:30:00 PM »
Looking forward to see someone who can show that gravity isn't conservative. ;)

Of course gravity is conservative. That however does not mean it isn't capable of producing work.

Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 05:59:23 PM »
Hi all, Now I could do with somone telling me where I may get some weights from, weighing 1 - 6 ounces because I need the following weights:

two of 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5  and 6 ounce weights (for test purposes) 3 ounces with probably be the best but I want to make sure...

Edit: Once I have the weights, then all I need to do is make just one more thing and the wheel is done, I could possibly have it done for monday. Some of you here could probably build my wheel within a day :P

Thanks

Alex

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 07:12:17 PM »
Hi all, Now I could do with somone telling me where I may get some weights from, weighing 1 - 6 ounces because I need the following weights:

two of 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5  and 6 ounce weights (for test purposes) 3 ounces with probably be the best but I want to make sure...

Edit: Once I have the weights, then all I need to do is make just one more thing and the wheel is done, I could possibly have it done for monday. Some of you here could probably build my wheel within a day :P

Thanks

Alex

Hi Alex,

Without knowing exactly how the weights will be used, you might try some bolts with combinations of washers and/or nuts for these size weights. I don't know if this fits in with your scheme or not.

Regards,
Charlie
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 07:49:59 PM by Alexioco »

Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 07:50:40 PM »
Hi Alex,

Without knowing exactly how the weights will be used, you might try some bolts with combinations of washers and/or nuts for these size weights. I don't know if this fits in with your scheme or not.

Regards,
Charlie


That, sounds like a good idea, nuts might be good for using as weights, what are the most heavy ones you can get?

Edit: I just found that in my back garden we have led, so I can cut the weights out of that... :P

Alex

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 08:13:14 PM »
I'd strongly advise against messing around with lead. Lead can be extremely toxic.

No one special's suggestion to use washers is a good one.

Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 08:27:42 PM »
I'd strongly advise against messing around with lead. Lead can be extremely toxic.

No one special's suggestion to use washers is a good one.

Is lead safe when its just dry? or should I not mess with it at all? if so then I will use washers...

Edit: Stuff the lead, I just read a bit about it, no thank you!!!

So what weight of washers/nuts and bolts are available?

Alex

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 09:39:34 PM »
Of course gravity is conservative. That however does not mean it isn't capable of producing work.
That is the exactly point in conservation. Conservation means no change. No change means no work.
If gravity was dynamic, however, like it increased and reduced all the time, it would do work, but that isn't the case in real life.
So bottom line; A conservative force like gravity cannot do work, are not capable to do work, and will never do work.

Vidar