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Offline mondrasek

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2009, 03:08:35 PM »
A patent does not necessarily make you greedy or rich.  It gives you the right to attempt to exercise CONTROL of an invention.  And that CONTROL can mean a lot of different things, not just money.

Reputable companies will attempt to licence patented technology.  The licence agreement does not only have to be about money.  It could say, "For every free energy device the company sells for a profit in a first world country one identical unit must be donated to a third world country."  It can also limit the use of the technology to be something like, "Only the production of Drinking Water Pumping Equipment for which a total gross sales margin of 10% will be the maximum."

So, the CONTROL you exert can be good or evil, for profit or charity, etc.  Do with it what you will.  Take no action on your patent whatsoever, and only your name is guaranteed, not wealth.

If a free energy device came out, I believe that "for profit" corporations would immediately develop products that were profitable.  These would be for markets where the most profit could be made.  So that would be for first world nations and commercial applications like electric power generators for plugging into the existing grid.  This is "good", but maybe not "best", and may delay the development of more immediate humanitarian products like water pumps and sanitation facilities for the poorer citizens of the planet.  Why not use your CONTROL of a patent to force the Siemens and GEs of the world to do both simultaneously by limiting their ability to make a profit from your tech to their ability to also make those water pumps?

Some money will be needed for all the lawyers to write and enforce your licences.  That easily could come from the profits of the corporations who sell to the rich countries who can afford it anyway.  No money need be taken from devices going to help the mankind who cannot afford to pay for the lawyer's fancy suits.

And so some un-reputable companies will try to get away with profiting from your tech without a licence.  You use your CONTROL to shut them down or take away their profits to do with what you will.  Again, what you do with the CONTROL given you by a patent is up to you.  Patents can be used as much for unselfish good as for evil or selfish ends.

M.

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2009, 03:08:35 PM »

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #121 on: April 28, 2009, 03:14:16 PM »
mondrasek

You see no concerns with the Gov't  classifying

 NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES?

Chet

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #122 on: April 28, 2009, 03:16:15 PM »
Greetings Chet

>>A disclaimer [ 1st post ]<<

Well, do any of us have to money to protect the disclaimer?

 >>Who will help me?<<

 I will do what I can. I am not rich, but a poor Blacksmith. But I can help by giving advice from my experiences. I can also evaluate a design and give you the possibilities on what to expect from it. When I get one of my wheels running I will be going to Ralph's for his help and contacts.

 Now if someone shows me a design and I have a design change to add (not a minor adjustment). Then it would be best to work together. For a running wheel is bigger than all of us, and the do it yourself people here would need to know as quickly as possible but only shown after patent pending is in place. For the do it yourself people will be your world wide conformation of the breakthrough as well as free energy needs. The patent is to make the money from the non do it yourself people who would buy it. Believe me they outnumber us a million to one. Big business knows this and it would truly be a multibillion dollar idea and only a "God" can afford to give that away in this style economy.

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Offline mondrasek

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2009, 03:35:59 PM »
mondrasek

You see no concerns with the Gov't  classifying

 NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES?

Chet

Can't really say with authority.  I have had only one experience with getting PATENT PENDING status.  This involved working with a lawyer, NOT the patent office.  The lawyer, writes the documents, annotates the diagrams, and files the patent electronically.  This gives you an application number and patent pending status.  As far as I know, no government patent officials even look at it.  And it took only three days.  Would have been two if I had my write up and drawings ready when I first met with the lawyers.  I was emailing and posting the filed application within a few hours of having received it by email from my lawyer.  With that process I can't see how the government could have stopped anything.

IF something were to happen that prevented me from having received my application number, I could have then published on the web.  And before going to the lawyer I followed the advice of law firms available on the web and I disclosed the invention and copied the write up and drawings to several trustworthy non-family members.  So if anything happened to ME after contacting the lawyers, they could also publish on the web, or be my witness that the information was stolen from me.

The only risk that I see is that you find out you have a worthless application, either because the idea does not work, or because someone else has filed on the same idea prior to you.  Then you would have no way to recoup the loss of the lawyer and filing fees.  I lost ~$2800 US.  A lesson I could afford (but not like one bit), but one I try to help others avoid by assisting with the analysis of their ideas when I can.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 04:21:06 PM by mondrasek »

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #124 on: April 28, 2009, 03:56:40 PM »
ruggero

 Alex is a friend and I have been giving him this advice for several months before this string. It is all up to him and no one can stop what he wants to do, and as a friend I can only help with advice. Again I don't say don't show. What I say is show it, after the protection in in place. So you have to wait just a little longer is all. But I guess we are in the days of people only being happy with instant gratification. ::)

Please AB...read what I wrote and don't give me that crap.

From the posting in this thread it is more than obviously clear that Alex DID NOT have any advice – what-so-ever – from noone, until AFTER the test run. Not even from his father....!

As I wrote – specifically – If you seriously were concerned about disclosure of Alex' design, you would have done that as reply no. 1 in this thread.

Well...noone did!
In fact, both you and Overtaker waited till AFTER the test run to bring the matter of disclosure on the table.
In fact, Alex wouldn't have said that he wanted to disclose both drawings and video (several times, both before and after the test run), if he have had discussions and advice on this matter BEFORE opening this thread.
In fact, Alex did ask for advice...from Overtaker!...AFTER the test run.

Just for the record, a look at the history says it all:

AB Hammer: « Reply #90 on: April 25, 2009, 03:40:29 AM »

"Hi Alex – I would suggest a few still shots and mount a video  to video the attempt..."
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Alexioco: « Reply #103 on: April 27, 2009, 10:22:21 AM »

(From the report on the negative test run)...:

"Now that I have satisfied my question, we can now work on this wheel because I'm sure you will really like how it works, but before I show you, I would like to say, I dont mind people using my idea into one of their wheels so long as you alert me on PM or Email... thanks

P.S I'm now going to look for the connection for my cam so I can post how the wheel works, pictures will be supplied too...Alex"

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Alexioco: « Reply #105 on: April 27, 2009, 12:05:53 PM »

"I havnt found the wire that connects the camera to this laptop yet, i wil keep on looking, if i cant find it, then I will draw it.
The wheel can be greatly improved which I would be honoured to have your help plus other people here. Alex"
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Alexioco: « Reply #108 on: April 27, 2009, 06:48:16 PM »

(Reply to advice from Overtaker):

"I absolutley agree with you, so I should not post it? the only problem is, I have posted here getting people excited, waiting to see it, what do I do? What if I post it to those who request on my pm?
I want your advice overtaker...Alex"
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ruggero ;-)


Oh...BTW have anyone looked at Alex's email address? grandtheftauto_iv@yahoo.co.uk
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 04:24:14 PM by ruggero »

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Offline overtaker

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2009, 04:27:02 PM »
Ruggero,   I respect your opinion but get your facts strait!     Saying Alex did not have any disclosure

advise till after the test run is not true.   The issue of disclosure was discussed from AB Hammer in

reply #42, Before the test!   The same for me,  reply #45,  Before the test!    :o

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #126 on: April 28, 2009, 04:51:35 PM »
I see what you mean Overtaker, though it still don't change the fact, that Alex did not get advise of disclosure in reply no. 1 of this thread....and Alex state his opinion on disclosure from the very start.

The point here is that we need to respect the intentions and motivations that people state, and not try to make them paranoid and neclect their opinions:

...I understand what you are saying Alan, like the guests that read here, they could copy the idea and run off with it before I could notice... to me, its not the money, but the excitment of leaving it to run over night and waking up the next day to see it still spinning... I must admit though, I would want some credit for it,...

Now on the other hand, I have made this topic, and told people about it, and of course we have all got excited in some way, I cant just not post it on here now that I have got the interest of others, it would be unloyal on my part, ...
Alex

– and please do remember, that we are talking about a NON-WORKING design here, that won't have a slightest chance of getting a patent approval.

So where are the working  design you want to patent?

Does all this secretcy an unloyalty make Alex more happy?
If a non-working design can't have patent approval, does that bring Alex any credit?
Does it bring Alex (or anyone else for that matter) any further?

ruggero  ;-)

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2009, 05:39:06 PM »
Right, I have made my descision: Firstly it is a NONE RUNNER, but it does have its own qualities... I am going to reveal it just like I promised from the start, those who steal it for themsevles are an example to themsevles and others, I will think twice next time before I make a single post...

P.S I will not post footage of the arangement of weights at the moment, I will show you the movement that a single weight takes then thats all there is to know...


Black weight = Main Weight
Red weight = Assistance Weight (Not Essential, can work without)
Arrow = Direction of Rotation
Brown Peg = What the weight rests on when it flips itself up to the top

When the wheel is softly spun, the weighted lever swings out from the axle to the rim at the bottom of the wheel, by the time it has reached the rim, its at the top of the wheel, the weight then pushes down on the wheel, when the weight reaches the bottom, it carries itself to the axle as the wheel turns so to get back in the starting position that you see... when one weight is resting by the axle as you see in the pic, another weight next to it is resting on the rim (not shown), they keep swapping places so there is always a weight at the top...

Alex





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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #128 on: April 28, 2009, 06:44:52 PM »
Thanks Alex,
Don't worry...you will be remembered and credited!

Would you like to be notified on any improvements?

ruggero  ;-)
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 07:09:39 PM by Alexioco »

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« Reply #129 on: April 28, 2009, 07:10:07 PM »
I wouldnt mind, it may not be a runner, it may not even be any use at all (i think it may be though) but its got a good qualtiy and its simple! and I will discuss more later (eating) so yes, i wouldnt mind, and i yes i do know there will be people that wont...

Alex

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« Reply #130 on: April 28, 2009, 07:36:07 PM »
Alex,    All along it was your choice.  I respect the choice you made. 

Keep up the good work!

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #131 on: April 28, 2009, 07:53:50 PM »
Now that I have posted it, i want to know what everyone thinks? the weight swings down from the axle to the rim of the wheel by letting gravity pull it down from the axle causing it to swing out, but the wheel moves so the swing goes up, the next step is getting it to swing up to the axle, maybe by the force of the weights hitting the top rim they can send a impulse to the bottom weight... there are some very interesting things that can be done with this, which I wil compose a complete detailed dexcription of what it does and what other things can be done...

Alex

Offline AquariuZ

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Re: New Wheel Design
« Reply #132 on: April 29, 2009, 03:17:35 AM »
Right, I have made my descision: Firstly it is a NONE RUNNER, but it does have its own qualities... I am going to reveal it just like I promised from the start, those who steal it for themsevles are an example to themsevles and others, I will think twice next time before I make a single post...

P.S I will not post footage of the arangement of weights at the moment, I will show you the movement that a single weight takes then thats all there is to know...


Black weight = Main Weight
Red weight = Assistance Weight (Not Essential, can work without)
Arrow = Direction of Rotation
Brown Peg = What the weight rests on when it flips itself up to the top

When the wheel is softly spun, the weighted lever swings out from the axle to the rim at the bottom of the wheel, by the time it has reached the rim, its at the top of the wheel, the weight then pushes down on the wheel, when the weight reaches the bottom, it carries itself to the axle as the wheel turns so to get back in the starting position that you see... when one weight is resting by the axle as you see in the pic, another weight next to it is resting on the rim (not shown), they keep swapping places so there is always a weight at the top...

Alex


I think it is nifty... Thanks for posting the idea, lets see if it can be modeled and tested..

 

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