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Author Topic: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?  (Read 124960 times)

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #360 on: May 13, 2009, 03:51:05 PM »

BEMF can never become OU due to hysteresis, eddy currents and resistive losses.
This is disputed.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #361 on: May 13, 2009, 03:57:17 PM »
It was also said we could not fly , from educated people in the past.
Tom....

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #362 on: May 13, 2009, 03:59:55 PM »
It was also said we could not fly , from educated people in the past.
Tom....
...and that if we travelled faster than 30 mph, the wind
pressure would suffocate us.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #362 on: May 13, 2009, 03:59:55 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #363 on: May 13, 2009, 04:02:53 PM »
Hi Jesus,

I would like to suggest a modification in the schematics you composed.
Now the TC4429 is fed from the 5V voltage stabilizer.  This means that the 4 MOSFETs receive a maximum of 5V driving pulse as the gate-source control voltage,  and this value is near to the threshold voltage (which is anywhere between 2-4V, see data sheet http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/RF/RFP40N10.pdf ). While the MOSFETs are surely open for the 5V, no doubt,  their gate-source ON resistance, rDSonwill surely be higher than what would be achieveable by running the TC4429 from the 12V voltage stabilizer. 
If you see the rDSon value from the data sheet, it is specified as 0.04 Ohm at 10V gate-source voltage input, VGS,  normally such power MOSFETs need at least 8-10V gate source control voltage to obtain the specified ON resistance. 
This modification would make the 5V stabilizer redundant, while the power loss on the 4 parallel MOSFETs will be less, hence switching efficiency can increase.
If you agree with this, than the supply pins of the TC4429 (that are tied to the 5V stabilizer)  would connect to the output of the 12V stabilizer, that is all.

rgds,  Gyula

Thank you @gyula !

Will you be so kind as to make the changes you want on the graphic in order for me to understand what you are explaining so technically.
I will gladly make the changes and learn something on the go.
Remember I have no electronics background.

Jesus

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #364 on: May 13, 2009, 04:06:37 PM »
Now just what is your point? People drive motorcycles faster then that, with out a helment in Florida.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #364 on: May 13, 2009, 04:06:37 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #365 on: May 13, 2009, 04:09:46 PM »
BEMF is wasted energy in today world, I know that I am using BEMF.

This statement clearly shows you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
BEMF is not wasted at all. It's used in everyday electronics to enhance performance.
BEMF is nothing else but the effect of the hysteresis loop.

1) Switched mode powersupplies would become useless if it handn't been
    for the BEMF which is recycled by the free wheeling diode.

2) Motors would become weak and useless if BEMF hadn't been redirected to source.

3) Regular old iron transformers would become completely useless if it hand'nt been
    for BEMF being redirected to input at each cycle.

Do not make the misstake in believing BEMF has some hidden features you just discovered.
BEMF is just the effect of the hysteresis loop. What you put in, you get back minus the losses.
This have been tested and examined for a thousand of times before you found it.
http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/power_loss.html#hyst
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/solids/hyst.html
http://www.magnets.bham.ac.uk/magnetic_materials/hysteresis.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis

I can understand your denial of these facts. This is your 15 minutes of fame. (Youtube Fame)
If what I'm saying is true, then your discovery is totaly useless and you can't accept that.
But in this case I know for sure I'm right, no matter what you say or believe.
Please learn how to take the right measurements and you'll see that I'm 100% correct.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #366 on: May 13, 2009, 04:11:55 PM »
Now just what is your point? People drive motorcycles faster then that, with out a helment in Florida.
...the point being that people talk rubbish. Your site at
http://www.overunitynow.com/ is terrific. How about
a page exclusively for your bicycle wheel based invention
with full constructional details and preferably no videos?

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #366 on: May 13, 2009, 04:11:55 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #367 on: May 13, 2009, 04:28:56 PM »
You act like this is my first idea, rethink you comment. I do have invention and patents. What gets me people like you have nothing to show but words.
Where is your patents?
I have one and another panding.
The rotary piston engine #6,860,251 and the ratchet engine patent pending.
Just because I'm not educated as you might be, does not give you the right to dog someone you don't know.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tommey_Reed_External_Combustion_Engine
I don't want your respect, just rethink your comments.
I can trash talk too, but I'm better then that!
Tom.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #368 on: May 13, 2009, 04:32:31 PM »
I will have all the free schematic up in the future, as long as people don't make money on my invention.
Free is Free, lets keep it that way.
Tom

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #368 on: May 13, 2009, 04:32:31 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #369 on: May 13, 2009, 05:28:35 PM »
Please learn how to take the right measurements and you'll see that I'm 100% correct.

Einstein was never 100% correct, neither are we. 

1931 Einstein visited Hubble at Mount Wilson , and called his "Cosmological Constant" -- "the biggest mistake of my life."

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/deepspace/f_dark-energy.html

Half a century later, in 1998 "Cosmologists believe about 70% of the universe consists of dark energy, 25% is dark matter, and only 4% normal matter (the stuff that stars, planets and people are made of). Hubble observations suggest the dark energy may be Einstein's cosmological constant, an energy percolating out of the vacuum of the space between galaxies."

Dark Energy is not in the text book, and it's not free.  Some people think ZPE is free -- turn the faucet, and Free Energy will flow right out.  Others believe it's not possible to extract Energy from vacuum with only coils.

Energy is there for anyone who is willing to get it, but it will always cost you.  The system will cost money to build, and it will be replaced in a few years, just like your TV.  People can build  their own EV, but at the same cost, Toyota can do a much better job.    The point is -- OU is not about getting energy for free, it's about discovering the truth and creating a better world for our children - a world without nuclear plant and fossil fuel.

Andy

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #370 on: May 13, 2009, 05:50:40 PM »
Thank you @gyula !

Will you be so kind as to make the changes you want on the graphic in order for me to understand what you are explaining so technically.
I will gladly make the changes and learn something on the go.
Remember I have no electronics background.

Jesus

Hi Jesus,

Yes, I have made a change: I deleted the 7805 and made a red dot to the power supply wire of the TC4429: it should be connected to the 12V input battery positive pole directly.  I would not use a 7812 voltage regulator for feeding the TC4429 because the peak driving current requirements of the parallel MOSFETs can easily demand higher than 1 Amper peak currents a 7812 is unable to supply (it is limited above 1A or some versions of it above 1.5A).  If somebody wishes to use a 12V regulator for feeding the TC4429, he should consider a heftier regulator for the job.  To understand this better, here is link to a linear and switch mode voltage regulator handbook, see Figure 10-2B, pdf page 76: http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/HB206-D.PDF
Doing some calculation for the Gate-Source capacitor charge current for ,say, 50ns switching time and 12V VGS, with the four input CGS of 13nF, you can get IG=13nF*(12V/50ns)=3.12A  this should come from a power supply that is able to provide this peak current, hence my suggestion for using directly the input 12V battery. 

Finally, I have to tell you that while this suggestion does improve the switching efficiency of this design by reducing the switching losses of the power MOSFETs to a certain degree,  I cannot support Tom's overunity claim with this circuit, due to the measurements difficulties involved with most pulsed circuits.  I have already written in this thread earlier that the real proof of overunity would be to use a DC-DC converter and loop back its output to replace the input battery after the start-up.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #370 on: May 13, 2009, 05:50:40 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #371 on: May 13, 2009, 10:47:43 PM »
You act like this is my first idea, rethink you comment. I do have invention and patents. What gets me people like you have nothing to show but words.
Where is your patents?
I have one and another panding.
The rotary piston engine #6,860,251 and the ratchet engine patent pending.
Just because I'm not educated as you might be, does not give you the right to dog someone you don't know.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Tommey_Reed_External_Combustion_Engine
I don't want your respect, just rethink your comments.
I can trash talk too, but I'm better then that!
Tom.

You can have as many ideas and patents as you wish. I don't mind. 8)
But I do mind when you claim overunity from a Boost converter circuit. :o ::)
Please listen to others than yourself for once......please!!!

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #372 on: May 13, 2009, 11:03:50 PM »
Hi Jesus,

Yes, I have made a change: I deleted the 7805 and made a red dot to the power supply wire of the TC4429: it should be connected to the 12V input battery positive pole directly.  I would not use a 7812 voltage regulator for feeding the TC4429 because the peak driving current requirements of the parallel MOSFETs can easily demand higher than 1 Amper peak currents a 7812 is unable to supply (it is limited above 1A or some versions of it above 1.5A).  If somebody wishes to use a 12V regulator for feeding the TC4429, he should consider a heftier regulator for the job.  To understand this better, here is link to a linear and switch mode voltage regulator handbook, see Figure 10-2B, pdf page 76: http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/HB206-D.PDF
Doing some calculation for the Gate-Source capacitor charge current for ,say, 50ns switching time and 12V VGS, with the four input CGS of 13nF, you can get IG=13nF*(12V/50ns)=3.12A  this should come from a power supply that is able to provide this peak current, hence my suggestion for using directly the input 12V battery. 

Finally, I have to tell you that while this suggestion does improve the switching efficiency of this design by reducing the switching losses of the power MOSFETs to a certain degree,  I cannot support Tom's overunity claim with this circuit, due to the measurements difficulties involved with most pulsed circuits.  I have already written in this thread earlier that the real proof of overunity would be to use a DC-DC converter and loop back its output to replace the input battery after the start-up.

rgds,  Gyula

Thank you @gyula !

I will pay a visit to that link and see what I learn.

Jesus

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #373 on: May 13, 2009, 11:37:59 PM »
You can have as many ideas and patents as you wish. I don't mind. 8)
But I do mind when you claim overunity from a Boost converter circuit. :o ::)
Please listen to others than yourself for once......please!!!
You seam pretty cocky men..
As far as i can  read you don`t put up any experiment..
I really like the guys like you who speak VERRY LOUD and never make ANYTHING..
As you are talking here you seam to put STAN MEYERS STEVEN MARK and everybody
in the same ship?????
Make up something and disprouve what TOMMEY did and THEN YOU CAN BE
CREDIBLE....
I have been on other discussion site before and there is always A BIG HEAD to divert
the discussion.....
So,,thats your turn draw your gun!!!!!!

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #374 on: May 14, 2009, 02:23:23 AM »
@ergo
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But I do mind when you claim overunity from a Boost converter circuit. :o ::)
Please listen to others than yourself for once......please!!!

There is an eastern proverb which may apply here----
“All instruction is but a finger pointing to the moon; and those whose gaze is fixed upon the pointer will never see beyond.”

All the experience and education in the world is no cure for a lack of imagination, this is why inventors have always succeeded where everyone else has failed. If you really want Mr.Reed to listen to others then maybe he will listen to an engineer---- Tommy don't listen to a word of what the critics are saying.  :)

Regards
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