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Author Topic: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?  (Read 159709 times)

bhaas

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2009, 03:12:56 PM »
Do you think the meter reading will be accurate with just one pulse?


Probably not 100%. You could also dump the voltage into
a capacitor and take a reading off of that to.

As far as it being a 100% is kinda "subjective"
Is anything dealing with electricity 100% ???

Brad

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #166 on: April 27, 2009, 03:34:29 PM »

Is anything dealing with electricity 100% ???

Brad

Hi, Brad

Looks like Tommey is 100% sure that he is getting OU, but everyone else isn't.

YES, dealing with electricity, 99.999% is still in the realm of old Physics , not OU -a.k.a The New Physics.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #167 on: April 27, 2009, 04:21:14 PM »
The question I would have is when he does the voltage and amperage readings, does this also include the power to run the PWM or any other circuits involved. There are so many wires, it kind of gets confusing to follow.

His Pulse Generator circuit shows a wire going through the transformer coil. How is that done??????? Is it a trifilar winding or what. Hmmmm.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #168 on: April 27, 2009, 04:46:34 PM »
I was just playing with a coil out of a shaded pole motor I have
at work. Took the metal out of it, got a 9V battery and I'm getting
1800V spikes on my meter as I'm dumping it into 2 150V caps
in paralell (that's what I have here at work) then I'm dumping the
caps into a 120V flouresent bulb. I get a quick nice bright flash out
of it.

I'm pulsing it by hand. If I had a soldering iron I'd get a transistor
to do it for me.


nyctuber

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #169 on: April 27, 2009, 04:54:02 PM »
The question I would have is when he does the voltage and amperage readings, does this also include the power to run the PWM or any other circuits involved. There are so many wires, it kind of gets confusing to follow.

His Pulse Generator circuit shows a wire going through the transformer coil. How is that done??????? Is it a trifilar winding or what. Hmmmm.

Seperate battery for the PWM

Mk1

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #170 on: April 27, 2009, 06:34:11 PM »
@all

I not sure , inventing something that old.I would claim Tesla patented it first.

But Tommey nice work any how. Great minds think alike! I will give you that.

Mk1

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #171 on: April 27, 2009, 06:37:05 PM »
Do you think the meter reading will be accurate with just one pulse?

Well it first it look like bad reading, until you put a load on it.

chrisC

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #172 on: April 27, 2009, 07:56:02 PM »
I was just playing with a coil out of a shaded pole motor I have
at work. Took the metal out of it, got a 9V battery and I'm getting
1800V spikes on my meter as I'm dumping it into 2 150V caps
in paralell (that's what I have here at work) then I'm dumping the
caps into a 120V flouresent bulb. I get a quick nice bright flash out
of it.

I'm pulsing it by hand. If I had a soldering iron I'd get a transistor
to do it for me.



Well, you're confirming what Tommey said. The back emf is REAL and when captured and filtered by a big cap and driven with a 30% duty cycle at 10Khz does produce OU.
Now you need either a PWM/driver or a transistor driver to drive the periodic voltage to the coil and check it out yourself and don't forget to post your results. Thanks

cheers
ChrisC

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #173 on: April 27, 2009, 10:51:36 PM »
50

Pulse Generator, The basics of how it works 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBQCTxcb4ww&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #174 on: April 27, 2009, 11:12:52 PM »
Stefan,

Quote: "You forgot to calculate the duty cycle into it."

If you want to calculate the duty cycle on the input then you must also calculate the duty cycle on the output.
So both numbers (input and output) must be divided by 50%. The calculated efficiency number will stay the same.


That is not true, Groundloop,
it seems you have missed the principle behind it.

Please study it further.

The cap bank in the wood box gets the rectified BEMF pulses and converts them to DC.
This is the sole output and it is put into the motor.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2009, 11:45:50 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #175 on: April 28, 2009, 12:46:45 AM »
Stefan,

He has a big capacitor bank in parallel with the batteries. He also have a big capacitor bank
at the output of his coil switch.

Quote: "it seems you have missed the principle behind it."

No I have not.

Attached is a drawing of TR's circuit. The power input is from his battery bank. The single
input capacitor in the drawing represent the input capacitor bank. The single mosfet represent his four paralleled mosfet transistors. The single output capacitor in the drawing represent the output capacitor bank. This drawing was displayed in one of his YouTube videos. Are you saying that this drawing is not correct?

Groundloop.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #176 on: April 28, 2009, 12:54:10 AM »
51

Pulse Generator, basic understanding of EMF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaij2Xe6Sm0&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #177 on: April 28, 2009, 01:04:41 AM »

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #178 on: April 28, 2009, 01:21:03 AM »
@Groundloop

If that is his Pulse Generator circuit, it does not seem to be correct because the transformer had two coils and a wire going through it.

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I am really confused because some are talking about his motor/generator tests while others are talking about his Pulse Generator. Kind of hard to follow. lol

Regarding the motor/generator, if the drive motor is commutator/brush type and DC then he cannot capture BEMF as I had explained before, otherwise it is very simple to see this on a scope shot. Same goes for the generator. lol

Now if they were AC motors with slip rings, then OK. I have blown a 1200 watt DC to AC inverter once when the AC plugged motor was inadvertently unplugged while the motor was running. BANG. What a noise.

I have also blown once a 100 amp shut off switch by running a 250vdc 20amp DC motor. We applied voltage but forgot to also apply the excitation voltage. The motor stuck and as we switched it off, BANG, the switch blew up and almost tore off a friends hand.

BEMF is serious shit, but you won't get it without a third brush on the commutator and no motor makers produce this stock off the shelf.

Blowing mosfets. No big deal. I have made a sport of it. Just drive them too hard and whammo, they will fry.

I think @TR has something but I am confused as to what to make of it at this stage.

chrisC

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2009, 01:28:28 AM »
@Groundloop

If that is his Pulse Generator circuit, it does not seem to be correct because the transformer had two coils and a wire going through it.

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I am really confused because some are talking about his motor/generator tests while others are talking about his Pulse Generator. Kind of hard to follow. lol

Regarding the motor/generator, if the drive motor is commutator/brush type and DC then he cannot capture BEMF as I had explained before, otherwise it is very simple to see this on a scope shot. Same goes for the generator. lol

Now if they were AC motors with slip rings, then OK. I have blown a 1200 watt DC to AC inverter once when the AC plugged motor was inadvertently unplugged while the motor was running. BANG. What a noise.

I have also blown once a 100 amp shut off switch by running a 250vdc 20amp DC motor. We applied voltage but forgot to also apply the excitation voltage. The motor stuck and as we switched it off, BANG, the switch blew up and almost tore off a friends hand.

BEMF is serious shit, but you won't get it without a third brush on the commutator and no motor makers produce this stock off the shelf.

Blowing mosfets. No big deal. I have made a sport of it. Just drive them too hard and whammo, they will fry.

I think @TR has something but I am confused as to what to make of it at this stage.

@Wattsup
You're confusing yourself. Forget about the motor. Just concentrate on the 4 diodes, single coil (he's just using the transformer with ONE primary coil. the secondary i OPEN and NOT used) and he's catching the back emf when the PWM pulses the coil. His last 3 videos show exactly what is happening.

cheers
chrisC