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Author Topic: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?  (Read 124107 times)

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2009, 03:47:39 PM »
Group,

Attached is a proposed circuit for testing a looped configuration of TR's setup.
If the coil gives out more (power + back emf voltage) than was put into it,
then the battery will charge. If not, then the battery will discharge.

[EDIT-1]  First version did not run very well so I have changed the trigger coil setup.
[EDIT-2]  The attached version runs very well.
[EDIT-3]  Tested the unit with an external function generator from 0 - 500KHz. (All waveforms, all duty cycle.)
              No charging of battery on any frequency or duty cycle.

The connected lead acid battery is NOT charging up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
Groundloop.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2009, 09:07:19 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2009, 04:59:07 PM »
Hi Groundloop
good to see you here ;)

NEW
Pulse Generator, voltage test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4KxF4kQRco&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2009, 06:07:55 PM »
Well this new video is now demonstrating a very possible amp meter problem since at a higher scale his meter is reading serious under unity and when he reduces his pulse width a little to use his meters lower scale it show over unity :-\

I was suspecting something like this. He should of used the same higher scale when he turned down the pulse width since it would of still showed a true results then using a lower scale at its maximum.

He has not replied to the request I made yesterday of coming to see his unit.

Luc

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2009, 06:07:55 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2009, 06:18:22 PM »
Come to think of it, he cannot use a DC amp meter to measure the power coming out of his batteries as the power is being turn on and off at 10KHz (I think he said) and a DC meter can only measure a constant flow (not turned off and on)

His meter is probably not defective as he thinks, he is just not using it in the correct way.

I now retract my belief that his unit is over unity.

Luc
« Last Edit: April 25, 2009, 06:40:47 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2009, 06:48:07 PM »
Group,

Attached is a proposed circuit for testing a looped configuration of TR's setup.
If the coil gives out more (power + back emf voltage) than was put into it,
then the battery will charge. If not, then the battery will discharge.

[EDIT-1]  First version did not run very well so I have changed the trigger coil setup.
[EDIT-2]  The attached version runs very well.

The connected lead acid battery is NOT charging up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
Groundloop.

Great effective and simple circuit Groundloop ;)

Thanks for taking the time to build and share your findings. Like if you did not know the outcome ;D

Your help is always appreciated... I wouldn't mind your opinion on his last video since I wouldn't want to give out incorrect information.

Thanks for helping as usual.

Luc

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2009, 06:48:07 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2009, 07:44:50 PM »
Luc,

Thanks Luc, when I connect my battery to the circuit then the voltage drops 0,5 volt.
The circuit is using very little current from the battery (less than 1 mA) but I can see
from a o-scope shot (measured direct over the battery terminals) that the circuit
uses more power than it gives back to the battery. (O-scope shot attached.)

I'm not able to get any useful information out of the videos. He should put the camera
onto a stand and use better lightning. He should also label his instruments. That is
my humble opinion.

Groundloop.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2009, 07:53:20 PM »
More new
Pulse Generator, small dc motor at high voltage 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7bKCwhaVTY&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2009, 08:08:10 PM »
Why does he keep talking about BEMF, like in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlYKg42_oks

I though he was collecting inductive collapses NOT the BEMF?!

My understanding is that BEMF is opposing the voltage that's creating the EMF in the coil simultaneously while the current is switched ON (like inertia relating to the movement of some mass in space).

He says at 4:25 that when it collapses (the field) "...instead of going back into the battery, we now redirect it upward."

Redirect upward how? The diode there will also prohibit the flow, as it points downwards?!

I assume he uses the Conventional flow of current (positive to negative) and not the Electron flow (negative to positive), as indicated by the arrows on his drawing.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2009, 08:29:07 PM »
Here is another new one
Pulse Generator, running power tools 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_40VRPEINT8&feature=channel_page

Maybe he's going to do live streaming next ;D

cat

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2009, 08:29:07 PM »
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2009, 08:58:31 PM »
Here is another new one
Pulse Generator, running power tools 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_40VRPEINT8&feature=channel_page

Maybe he's going to do live streaming next ;D

cat

Thanks Cat for updating his new videos. I have been following Tom's stuff on youTube and this guy is not only sincere but is hands on and no dummy, even though he's not 'university' educated. The numbers on the battery outputs & PWM inputs to the coil outputs driving the capacitor & motor seemed amazing. Even though the measurements of pulsed currents may not be accurately determined, even if you take 50% off for 'measurement' mistakes, this stuff is real!

A simple way to determine how much excess energy is delivered is to ask him to connect a series of 100W light bulbs to the generator and see where it stops lighting up? At the generator output voltage, the total current can be easily measured. No complicated measurements needed. Agree?

cheers
chrisC

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2009, 09:18:33 PM »
He should stop using those meters and just connect few bulbs at the output and note the time they last for. Before that he should measure the voltage at the battery (isolated).

Next he should charge the battery up to the same voltage and simply connect those bulbs directly to the battery (with nothing else connected) and note the time again.

This is really simple. :)

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2009, 09:27:15 PM »
Why does he keep talking about BEMF, like in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlYKg42_oks

I though he was collecting inductive collapses NOT the BEMF?!

My understanding is that BEMF is opposing the voltage that's creating the EMF in the coil simultaneously while the current is switched ON (like inertia relating to the movement of some mass in space).

He says at 4:25 that when it collapses (the field) "...instead of going back into the battery, we now redirect it upward."

Redirect upward how? The diode there will also prohibit the flow, as it points downwards?!

I assume he uses the Conventional flow of current (positive to negative) and not the Electron flow (negative to positive), as indicated by the arrows on his drawing.

@amigo

I agree with you, Tommy (and unfortunately many other experimenters, even members here) use incorrect terminology when referring to the voltage pulses created during the collapse of the magnetic field in a coil.
The term Back EMF should be used with electric motors where the rotor winding moves in the stator field while also receiving the input power, and the induced voltage works against the input voltage.  The example you mention for back EMf is also ok with me.

Unfortunately this bad terminology usage would be the least to mention but the bigger problem is his pulsed current measurements problems.  I am afraid he fools himself fully into believe his circuits relally show extra output...

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2009, 09:42:43 PM »
Thanks Cat for updating his new videos. I have been following Tom's stuff on youTube and this guy is not only sincere but is hands on and no dummy, even though he's not 'university' educated. The numbers on the battery outputs & PWM inputs to the coil outputs driving the capacitor & motor seemed amazing. Even though the measurements of pulsed currents may not be accurately determined, even if you take 50% off for 'measurement' mistakes, this stuff is real!

A simple way to determine how much excess energy is delivered is to ask him to connect a series of 100W light bulbs to the generator and see where it stops lighting up? At the generator output voltage, the total current can be easily measured. No complicated measurements needed. Agree?

cheers
chrisC

Hi chrisC
currently Tommey is only answering questions on YouTube,he has already been asked to test different ways of measuring and hopefully in time we will get a more accurate answer

@all
Latest one
Pulse Generator, bigger load test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMStFmK_Rg&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2009, 10:50:11 PM »
@all

I think that he gets his battery charged because he uses an outside of the circuit pulse width modulator. We are trying to use a transistor to pulse the circuit, that uses the same battery to run and to charge.

I read somewhwere that to get the battery charging the way we are trying to do it, we need to charge a capacitor to twice the battery voltage somehow and then release through a diode to the battery.

That charged capacitor must be charged by the same circuit and fire the voltage shot through the diode when the transistor is on the off stage. On that way it does not interfere with the voltage directed to the battery.

Sincerely, I dont know how to do it.

Jesus

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #104 on: April 25, 2009, 10:53:58 PM »
And more
Pulse Generator, 96v load test 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJf5qWqpJIA&feature=channel_page

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