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Author Topic: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?  (Read 122690 times)

Offline Liberty

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2009, 01:44:57 PM »
If he has nearly 400% gain from his circuit, forget the meter readings or solar panels and simply loop back a portion of the output to the input of his circuit and see if it continues to run.  That will tell you if it is over unity.  A capacitor should hold enough charge from the output to continue to run his device for the input power if it is truly going to work.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2009, 04:01:30 PM »
Interesting question.  Could a coil that is pulsed with a DC current forming an electromagnetic field in the core material of the coil be forming a larger magnet in sympathy to the flux flow from electromagnet on coil 1? 

When the field from the long piece of core material collapses, if another coil is on the same core that was in the original circuit that was pulsed, could the pulse back become larger due to the response of the core material forming a sympathetic magnetic field and then that field collapsing on the coils? 

Another way to put it; can there be a gain from a pulsed coil and an additional coil that is not in the first circuit, if the magnetic core is larger than the first coil and holds the additional magnetic field and collapses the magnetic field on both coils for output?

Hi Liberty, I would answer no for all 3 questions...

An interesting variant in this setup you show below is the Kunel patent.  (see here in English: http://rechercheblog.de/wp-content/downloads/KunelPatent.pdf
Kunel claims extra output power (higher out than in), by saying the permanent magnet flux is added to the flux what the input power creates. 
And this claim is investigated in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfaMCOMuWl8  and it has two more parts.  Conclusion: no extra output...


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Note diagram below.

             
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===================Magnetic core material============
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Coil 1                                            Coil 2
Pulsed

BEMF pulse collected from both coils, but only coil 1 is pulsed.

It appears as though this is just a transformer and as I understand it, there is no gain, just a step up of voltage and a drop in current output in the coil with more turns...  But it may be operating different than a simple transformer, since the pulse starts and stops and then collects the BEMF pulse from both coils.  A core material that can hold a lot of flux before saturation, would enhance performance I would think.


Yes, this setup would work as a step up transformer and a very good quality core material would involve very low core loss and higher self-inductance coils with less number of turns (hence copper loss would also be less).  That is all I am afraid...
(Notice: to really work correctly in practice with good transformer efficiency (90-95% efficiency) you would have to use an U shape core of also good core quality to close the presently open magnetic path of the rod. So closed magnetic flux path should be formed from the cores like C+I shape or E+I with no airgap.)

Somehow Tommy should be persuaded to use some loop back circuit once he really has over 300% extra output...
Even a lossy Zener diode feedback could be tried...

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2009, 04:17:47 PM »
My idea of the capacitor with the finite charge at the input was to serve the purpose of measuring the energy used up by the entire circuit to operate so that these 400% and other figures are not based on simple meter readings ratios.

I am not sure now that we really need to worry about any output harmonics or oscillating currents etc, if a cap is at the output, it will again present a finite charge. Same goes with the need to filter anything at that stage either as the capacitor will store whatever dielectric charge it's imparted onto.

Technically, the ratio of energy dissipated from the input capacitor and the energy stored in the output capacitor should give us an indication whether the circuit is producing excess of energy or not.

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2009, 04:34:08 PM »
&amigo

I think you are right.  However if a pulsed or oscillator circuit has output power very reach in harmonics you would need to use a wideband rectifier to be able charge a capacitor with all the output power the output signal contains.
(Here connects Dr Stiffler's use of 1N4148 or similar type diode in his SECs, it is a very wide band diode with good efficiency up to  some hundred MHz frequencies.)

I understood your finite charge capacitor usage at the input.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2009, 07:43:47 PM »

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2009, 09:15:17 PM »
Hi Tommey Reed,
you need to measure just only the INPUT CURRENT via a LC low pass filter, so you can
measure the current directly behind the battery before the LC lowpassfilter.
This way you almost measure DC input current
and the voltage at the battery is steady then.
Then let it run for 10 seconds and measure the voltage at the load cap.
Then compare the energies.
This is the only way to measure it right.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2009, 08:50:07 PM »
Hi all
2 New from Tommey
Pulse Motor load test data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1Ky7yoHaE&feature=channel_page
&
Pulse generator with 2n3055 power transister 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_CnY5Km0Bw&feature=channel_page

To much work on this week,i will catch up on the weekend
Can someone do back up of vids

all the best
cat

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Offline amigo

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2009, 02:29:24 AM »
Looking at the last two videos, I am not sure where does he see the gains he mentioned in the past videos.

Tommey is drawing 410mA from the battery source at 12.6V making it consume 5.166W.

The measured voltage at the cap shows 29.2V and he mentioned 100mA or so on the motor. Are we supposed to use those figures because that only gives us 3W?

So, is there a loss of >2W on that filter resistor due to the heat, as well as the circuit itself?

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2009, 08:14:35 PM »
Sorry only 10 minutes on line today, no time to look at any of this week's new videos
but 3 today from Tommey
Pulse Generator amp load test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tAuwsK8sk&feature=channel_page
Pulse Generator load test 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbMeY6Q3Rm8&feature=channel_page
Pulse Generator load test 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYOIYlRf7E&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2009, 09:48:26 PM »

Pulse Generator load test 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYOIYlRf7E&feature=channel_page


I'm sorry to say but Tommey's calculations on "Pulse Generator load test 3" video are not correct.

The 300ma input should be calculated at battery voltage and not at the output pulse of the PWM which cannot be measured using a DVM. Only an Oscilloscope can measure the PWM pulse voltage correctly.

Luc

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2009, 05:30:40 AM »
Huh. Need blueprints need closed loop so ppl could verify those measurements and surface possible mistakes.  Its hard to buy this only because so many similar projects before went to measuring mistakes. I guess only time will answer this one.

 Keep it up Tommey

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2009, 11:57:08 PM »
I'm sorry to say but Tommey's calculations on "Pulse Generator load test 3" video are not correct.

The 300ma input should be calculated at battery voltage and not at the output pulse of the PWM which cannot be measured using a DVM. Only an Oscilloscope can measure the PWM pulse voltage correctly.

Luc

Hi Luc / all

Calculations ? i was hoping Stefan's efforts might of got him here,ill also try on Saturday/ sunday

OK 3 more from the man himself

Pulse Generator load test 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGzOeFP3eQ&feature=channel_page

Pulse generator back emf test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEFXv-l6TQ&feature=channel_page

Pulse Generator, 2hp dc motor test 001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqbnCHvaze0&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2009, 12:30:02 AM »
STOP PRESS
                     ;D THE BIG ONE IS HERE ;D
                               Tommey Reed's
                , :o 10kw PULSE POWER STATION :o

    Pulse Generator, 10kw generator test. This is for real!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuYGEvCa4M&feature=channel_page
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Pulse Generator, dc generator load test 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuZfj5p7Ak&feature=channel_page

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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2009, 12:43:05 AM »
Here is a usefull article about a similar claim recently. I have posted it as it has a very usefull discussion re how to measure and accurately calculate power in and out.
Without accurate measurement that can be validated and calculated independently then we have nothing here as well other than some miscalculations
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Thomas_Valone_on_Sumaruck%27s_March_30%2C_2009_Video
Kind Regards
Mark



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Re: Are Tommey Reed´s pulse motor circuits overunity ?
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2009, 12:45:55 AM »
Hi BackEMF power is pretty powerful around 640 to 920 Watts in
his 2 latest videos.
The question really is, what goes into his input ?

As he is filming it so fast, it does not get clear.

He is having 48 Volts chopped only 30 % ontime= 48/3 = 16 Volts and in the first video 31 amps in,
so it is just 496 Watts in and 640 Watts out ?

I really would like to see a loop back from the generator´s rectified output to the
PWM input, if he could get it to selfrun or at least run a 1000 Watts incandescent bulb load from the generator
instead just running a radio or his grinding machine.

Regards, Stefan.

 

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