Should we keep this board: We can´t live without the truth ?

[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
as this board tends to be going more and more into political things
and many users over here have different political views,
the debates often heats up much over here and there were started many
flame wars, where users call each other names, etc..
although they maybe have the same view for the need
of free energy.

So the question is, if these political topics just disrupt this forum
too much and these topics are better discussed in other special political
forums, or if we should have this also over here, but causing trouble between
different users...

So I start this poll now to let you the users deceide:

Should we keep this board: We can´t live without the truth ?

If most of the votes will be negative in about  a month from now.
I will make it read only ,so people have time to download
the threads and then close this boards afterwards.

So now it is your decision to tell your opinion about this.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[IotaYodi]

We have had this problem on an audio board I belong too. It just got so bad with name calling etc. so a political forum was made. No political posts were allowed in the other forums. It has worked out beautifully. Even the political forum itself has calmed down. Unless you ban all political posts I think this is the best option. Plus in my opinion it wont drive away new folks who visit the board.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Allow me to be one of the first to comment.

Firstly...of all the flame wars here...most have occurred on threads other than the so called political threads...which by the way are not political in nature, but are actually anti corruption.

Political threads would be threads which promote one political party or the other...we have progressed beyond that here.

I know of one member in particular who expressed to me that the information I posted in my non partisan threads had changed his view on the motives of all politicians.

The real problem we have here is cyber bulling tactics and disruptive troll activity, from likely paid disinfo agents or juveniles with no direction in life.

To remove this category plays into the hands of all suppressors of truth...the very same people who have suppressed alternative energy devices or many decades.

So my vote is to keep the category.

It would be a mistake to let the actions of a few, dictate the direction of the forum, and negatively affect the great majority of members here who have achieved a comfort level among one another rarely found on internet forums.

Regards...

I should also add that only the votes and opinions of clearly established member be counted...for obvious reasons.

This is not to cast new members in a negative light...just that forum disruptors frequently use new accounts to make them look like they are many, when it is usually one or two acting alone.

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Cap-z-ro you took the words right out of my mouth. The information you in particular post is to highlight the illusion they have created which they call politics among other things and it would appear some are still under the spell of this illusion. Is it not ironic that the very thing that is partly responsible for the masses not having access to free energy devices that being fake democracy or so called politics and other oppressive systems and i should say democracy by the way is mob rule which aint good even if it were being adhered to which it is not, just in case the 51% wake up. So Hartiberlin if you still think all these other systems in this world have no relation to free energy devices and their distribution to humanity then you need to do more research, however i do think you already know the truth. And if you know the truth then why are you clinging to mob rule style models 'aka democracy' to decide the fate of your forums. Anyway i think its your choice Hartiberlin and no others, so choose wisely.

peace love light

[Cap-Z-ro]

You are so right about democracy SkyW.

People have been conditioned to believe that democracy equates to freedom...when its just the opposite.

For example most Americans will tell you they live in a democracy...when in reality the countries founders had their fill of democracy in Europe...and founded a Constitutional Republic...where 999% of the people cannot infringe on the personal freedoms of 1% of the population, as in a majority rules democracy.

But criminally insane war whoring sociopaths have taken over the country through a corrupt banking system which they instituted, and run the country by a democratic process on the surface, but rule behind the scenes using totalitarian Empirical principles.

The old bait and switch trick when nobody's looking.

Regards...

[johnbostick]

I think having the ability to post the truth on this site adds to its credibility.   If the truth could just be squelched as in the mainstream media this site should be government owned and operated. 

I’ve heard that a democracy works if 3 wolves and a sheep vote on what’s for supper only if the sheep is heavily armed.

[Phantasm]

its a liability as far as I'm concerned..

But then... this whole site is likely looked at dubiously by TPTB

So... I dunno... I guess it doesnt matter - And as far as having its own section - i dont think it interferes with our research efforts etc..

[gri]

If most of the votes will be negative in about  a month from now.
I will make it read only ,so people have time to download
the threads and then close this boards afterwards.

So now it is your decision to tell your opinion about this.

Humans can not live without truth
equally as they can not live without unlimited own posts editing time.

Allow unlimited own posts editing
if you really wish to know the truth from Humans.

Otherwise your decisions will be based on monkeys' votes,
who can surely live both without the Truth
and without the board ~We can't live without the truth~.

It is exactly the democratic principle.


And reply to ~Gri to Hartiberlin~ gritoadmix please..
to have a dialogue without monkeys' replies there.

[exxcomm0n]

I vote to keep it.

I won't say that I seek out these types of news (it's depressing), but the only reason I think I can get away with such lax behavior is that there ARE some people looking out for these news items to prove that I can't keep this attitude.

Gov't can't be trusted.

History has proven that no gov't is prefect, and that quite a few prey upon their own citizens.

While a few of the news items that are posted may be quite slanted, not all of them are.
To be a well informed citizen we need to know these things and most news outlets are NOT reporting on them.

Keep the forum topic.
Those that complain about it will be the same people that will say "How could this happen right under our noses!" about a horrendous political action like those posted in this area.

Personal responsibility is the key.
No one makes you read, do they?

[Michelinho]

Hi all,

A "General Interest" section might be more appropriate than "We can't live..." and "News" included in there.

The problem seems not so much about these sections as that people carry a grudge against another to other part of the forum. People get branded as deniers or fanatics and they get personal attacks in other parts by the same people they disagree with. Anything they bring forward gets knockout.

A separate section "FE/OU News" in a separate section along one like "What's new in science".

So my vote is "Yes" we keep them but with strict rules.

Take care,

Michel

[fuzzytomcat]

Humm ...... We can´t live without the truth ?

The truth can mean different things to many people, what is the threshold of truth and measured by what standard, to some evidence without a shadow of a doubt, good enough for conviction, winning or loosing a case in a court of law maybe public opinion. To some all one needs is a paragraph from a obscure web site or possibly information never seen published in a new book for sale to make a opinion. The problem with the truth is what may lye beneath, is it important, will it really change your life or someone else's or is it a mute subject just waiting for anyone to respond to and someone always will regardless of the subject matter. Can we live without it, depending on what it is some things we do daily it's out of our control, but if it's genuine and provable with a standard "high" threshold of truth one would be doing a injustice to society in not reporting what is known or important.

What do you need to form a opinion, and is the standard you require being conveyed here on this board, or is it a mute subject waiting for anyone to respond to for negative reactions.

Regards,
Fuzzy
 

[robbie47]

Thanks Stefan for putting this vote up.
As the title of this forum says:

"Welcome to OverUnity.com
The International open source free energy research forum",

This already indicates that this is a community that tries to solve the global energy challenge. Most of the members have technical interest and want to discuss their ideas on how to solve energy waste. There are really brilliant people here contributing.

It's a forum, so discussion should be central.
But it seems that there are a small number of people that can not cope with disagreements and some general rules on how to respect each others opinions. These people use foul language, insult others and in most cases pollute discussions rather than contribute to possible solutions.

Now, since this forum has become significantly large, it's time that some full-time moderators guard and ban the behavior of such dissidents.
If you can't afford that, then I advise you to limit the scope of this forum to retain the quality of it.
I understand your dilemma, the more users the more income from advertisements, but it's best to go for quality here.

That is why I voted "NO" to keep the "We can´t live without the truth ?" part of this forum.
Practice showed that this attracts people that want to focus on all kind of social problems, politics etc.
It's best that these people go to forums where social problems, politics and alike topics are the main stream purpose. In that way both types of people avoid each other and will mostly contribute in a positive way.

[TechStuf]

It's best that these people go to forums where social problems, politics and alike topics are the main stream purpose. In that way both types of people avoid each other and will mostly contribute in a positive way.

Such compartmentalized thinking is what has enabled the beast to grow as large as it has.  It much prefers to keep everything in it's assigned box.  Institutionalized science got where it is today by just such sterile loyalty to neutered ideals.  That such research as shared here is inextricably intertwined with weighty matters of both a societal and political nature, should not and cannot be ignored.

Afterall, one only need log on to any of the prolific brain drains in the form of university style physics and energy forums to see the stale fruits of such efforts at sanitization.

That Stefan suffers the forum to endure all manner of gross incivility, however, is quite 'off putting'.

I am all for the encouragement of civilized expression, and as well, the censure of wanton disrespect for fellow man. 


TS

[Cap-Z-ro]

Michelenho made an interesting suggestion.

" A "General Interest" section might be more appropriate than "We can't live..." and "News" included in there. "


That would not be a bad idea...before some corrupt bullies in power lit the fire of truth under me, I was always known for my humor...I would love the opportunity to exercise humor muscle here, to provide some balance to the harsh realities of our society which I post up here.

The votes and opinions of people who enter the threads of others ordering (cyber bullying) them to leave the forum, and then whining like children when outed and appropriately labeled for their abhorrent behavior are not to be considered to be an honest opinion.

Regards...

[Paul-R]

Let's stick to what we are here for.

We don't have the traffic handling capacity. That is why we get poor response times and this:

"Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later".

We also need some moderation, and suspensions for people who are gratituously offensive. There are several and we know who they are. They cause problems and may threaten the future of this web site.