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Author Topic: Please, Please, look at this video!  (Read 15141 times)

Offline broli

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2009, 07:20:38 PM »
Now i have done some simple simulations.

I have simulated with 20 x 4 x 4cm iron bars. 2x2x4cm slide-magnets, and 5x5x4cm counterforce-magnets. I have use 4cm as depth in FEMM - depth must be constant for all magnets and parts simulated.

When the bars are closest, and the slide-magnets are closest, I have a counterforce-magnet force at 0,3N - the closest to zero i got unless i want to use 1 week to tune it perfectly.
The attraction force between the slide-magnets are now 52N.

When I move the slide-magnets 6 + 6 cm apart, and still have the bars closed, the repelling force between the slide-magnets and the bars are now -65N, which means they are attracting with 65N force. I think this has to do with the influence between the slide-magnets and the counterforce-magnets.

So then I take apart the bars 3cm away in both directions while the slide-magnets are still apart. Now the repelling force between the bars are 83N, an increased repelling force of 148N. There is no attraction between the slide-magnets (!!) - well it is somthing like 0.01N or so.

So then I push the slide-magnets together, while the bars are still apart. The repelling force between the bars do now increased from 83N to 104N. The attraction between the slide-magnets are at closest about 400N, an increase of 148N.

Something tells me that the net force in the system will be the force difference between the bars and between the slide-magnets. 148N - 148N = 0.

This is not an opinion, it is just results from a simulation. So please do not attack me personally ;D

Vidar

Make pictures your text is making things confusing. But Vidar did you miss the whole point of this thread, namely the experiment? Magnets attract with way bigger force without bars, with bars he can use his little finger.

You are a very sneaky snake. You pretend to show interest in something and "help out" but you really are just trying to derail the whole thing.


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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2009, 07:20:38 PM »

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2009, 07:51:40 PM »
Make pictures your text is making things confusing. But Vidar did you miss the whole point of this thread, namely the experiment? Magnets attract with way bigger force without bars, with bars he can use his little finger.

You are a very sneaky snake. You pretend to show interest in something and "help out" but you really are just trying to derail the whole thing.


Yes, I am Satan. I will preach theory that is all based on a frogs brain. I am the most stupid, and least visionary person in the world. I am a member of overunity.com only to annoy you and your claims - which is not even simulated. I have at least done that.

What Butch experiments with, does not automaticly show the whole picture. All positions must be tested and measured. That is for sure more easy in a simulation.

So look at my posts as a challenge to prove the opposite - it is not personally.

Vidar.

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2009, 08:01:24 PM »
Now i have done some simple simulations.

I have simulated with 20 x 4 x 4cm iron bars. 2x2x4cm slide-magnets, and 5x5x4cm counterforce-magnets. I have use 4cm as depth in FEMM - depth must be constant for all magnets and parts simulated.

When the bars are closest, and the slide-magnets are closest, I have a counterforce-magnet force at 0,3N - the closest to zero i got unless i want to use 1 week to tune it perfectly.
The attraction force between the slide-magnets are now 52N.

When I move the slide-magnets 6 + 6 cm apart, and still have the bars closed, the repelling force between the slide-magnets and the bars are now -65N, which means they are attracting with 65N force. I think this has to do with the influence between the slide-magnets and the counterforce-magnets.

So then I take apart the bars 3cm away in both directions while the slide-magnets are still apart. Now the repelling force between the bars are 83N, an increased repelling force of 148N. There is no attraction between the slide-magnets (!!) - well it is somthing like 0.01N or so.

So then I push the slide-magnets together, while the bars are still apart. The repelling force between the bars do now increased from 83N to 104N. The attraction between the slide-magnets are at closest about 400N, an increase of 148N.

Something tells me that the net force in the system will be the force difference between the bars and between the slide-magnets. 148N - 148N = 0.

This is not an opinion, it is just results from a simulation. So please do not attack me personally ;D

Vidar

Hi Vidar:

Thank you for doing the simulation. For those without the benefit of the simulation software, can you please draw some simple diagrams and reference your findings so this can be better understood? It's a interesting subject and doesn't seemed so difficult to experimentally prove. What Butch showed should ideally be constructed viz Broli's gif simulation?

cheers
chrisC

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2009, 08:01:24 PM »
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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2009, 08:57:33 PM »
Regarding my previous post with measurements, in the order as written in my previous post. Also the FEMM simulation is attached.

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2009, 09:12:12 PM »
Why do you even have the repelling magnets in your simulation. These are an external source and should not interact with the main magnets at all to exclude bullshit talk. And only have one moving magnet. Geez I have to do everything myself don't I?

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2009, 09:31:33 PM »
Broli,
Can you email me direct, I want to ask a favor of you.
Butch
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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2009, 09:43:13 PM »
This link will only have information on one motor basic operating principle only.
http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteMagnetMotor1
Thanks,
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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2009, 10:45:37 PM »
Why do you even have the repelling magnets in your simulation. These are an external source and should not interact with the main magnets at all to exclude bullshit talk. And only have one moving magnet. Geez I have to do everything myself don't I?
Have to do everything yourself? Have you actually done ANYTHING AT ALL - regarding simulations, experiments, testresults, simulation results? Don't think so.
I at least try to simulate things, and work with things in real life, and they are ran over like a train by you every time a result is a threat. Then you like to think you are above me and other members here, and point fingers to me and those who question or test your ideas.

Behave, and get over yourself ;) Magnet motors will never work, and I ofcourse will try to tell you why.

Vidar

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2009, 11:26:52 PM »
Magnet motors will never work

At least you let the cat out of the bag. A statement like this on this forum should be banable. You have nothing left to look for here than spreading your negativity and trying to sabotage others.

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2009, 11:51:46 PM »
At least you let the cat out of the bag. A statement like this on this forum should be banable. You have nothing left to look for here than spreading your negativity and trying to sabotage others.

Hey, Broli!
What if you would prove some of your statements made here? (instead of suggesting for banning people who think differently?)
Is this forum just a "delusional's club"? 


Think about this magnetic concept (and all the energy transactions in the cycle). Just count all the in's and out's...

Maybe you can make a working, proof of a concept device? Butch and his group would certainly need some help.
Cheers!

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2009, 01:42:46 AM »
@Broli

your piston design got me thinking and i found a flaw in its application. I have attach a picture showing that at the max magnetic attraction your connecting rod is at 12 o'clock which adds very little
energy to the crank.  One idea that I thought might help with this is a sliding connecting rod. This will allow max attraction to happen at 2 o'clock and allow the crank to go through to 10 o'clock ( counter clockwise rotation- don't ask :-[ ) . This will also give you about 90-120 degrees of crank rotation time to get the flux bars in place before the connecting rod starts to  pull at 10 o'clock

A= shows max torque at 2:00

B= shows sliding connecting rod at max extension at 12:00


Now I do know that this does not address the whole bar attaction equalization part. Low-Q has made this point.
He has posted data that is most useful and also got me thinking about that part. I will be asking him for a little more data shortly ...hopefully he can help.

The clock positions are approximate and probably would change for an actual build

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2009, 10:56:55 AM »
@Broli

your piston design got me thinking and i found a flaw in its application. I have attach a picture showing that at the max magnetic attraction your connecting rod is at 12 o'clock which adds very little
energy to the crank.  One idea that I thought might help with this is a sliding connecting rod. This will allow max attraction to happen at 2 o'clock and allow the crank to go through to 10 o'clock ( counter clockwise rotation- don't ask :-[ ) . This will also give you about 90-120 degrees of crank rotation time to get the flux bars in place before the connecting rod starts to  pull at 10 o'clock

A= shows max torque at 2:00

B= shows sliding connecting rod at max extension at 12:00


Now I do know that this does not address the whole bar attaction equalization part. Low-Q has made this point.
He has posted data that is most useful and also got me thinking about that part. I will be asking him for a little more data shortly ...hopefully he can help.

The clock positions are approximate and probably would change for an actual build

Lil'hawk
Be careful with questioning @brolis ideas. He is a very sensitive man when it comes to findings that is somewhat threatening his ideas.

Anyway. You can look at magnetism as POTENTIAL energy. This is what both @broli, and his magnetmotor fellows forget totally. As long this potential energy doesn't change (In other words, the magnetic "charge" doesn't change), no work will be done. It is magnetism that was applied to the magnets, and magnetism has also to disappear in order to take this energy back. But as long the magnetism isn't changing, no work can be done.

This is just like believing putting a heavy object upon a table, and expect that this potential energy will do work and simultaneously keep a constant hight of the object. As you and others sure understand, this is impossible, simply because no change in potential energy is namely conservative, and can therfor not do work.

Using magnets in a setup that one believe will do work, looks promising because the system is too complex for everyone to see the whole picture, and by that will not understand why the system doesn't work when it is built.

But telling storys like this to the believers out there is like talking to the wall. It is usless, because then they believe we are payed by the goverment to hide secrets or something. So they will still spend the rest of their lifes trying to trick nature - and fail over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

Vidar

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
At least you let the cat out of the bag. A statement like this on this forum should be banable. You have nothing left to look for here than spreading your negativity and trying to sabotage others.
Let me put it this way:
If you are going to try building a magnetmotor, I would strongly advice you not to, but rather look into other directions, other alternatives.
It will not benifit anything but costing you a lot of painfull time and money.

Look at my previous post here, and you will understand what magnets do to a system. I am here to help you lost guys out of this bottomless hole. But ofcourse, it is hard to be told that all your work and attempts, and spent money is for nothing when it comes to magnet motors. I understand your anger towards me, which is actually your problem. You take this personally, and instead of trying to prove me wrong, you attack me personally - that is even a better reason for YOU to be banned of this forum. Just think this over before you do something more stupid towards me.

Vidar

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2009, 11:16:01 AM »
Low-Q we already established you are an idiot so why are you still here. You don't have to lecture the crap my professor taught me again. There are 100's of textbooks that do that already.

Just don't post here. That's not too much asked.

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Re: Please, Please, look at this video!
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2009, 01:31:44 PM »
Low-Q we already established you are an idiot so why are you still here. You don't have to lecture the crap my professor taught me again. There are 100's of textbooks that do that already.

Just don't post here. That's not too much asked.
"We" or you alone?

I will keep on posting facts here as long people believe they can get energy out of permanentmagnets. That is my right to do so, but it is also your right to post ideas that will never work in the very same forum.
No matter how hard you hate me, no matter how silent I get in this thread, you will never be able to make a working magnet motor. Magnets are conservative as long they does not change magnetic properties. A permanent magnet, as in PERMANENT, is only containing potential energy that is not changed. As long this potential isn't changed, no work has been carried out. That is why we include an electric circuit that is altering this potential energy in order to carry out work. Without something lifting a weight to another hight, no work has been carried out, so to speak.
So don't think you can silence me, but try to prove me wrong instead. If not, you can find something else to discuss. You know I'm right, but you have just gone too far to realize your defeat.

How hard is it to understand these very basic physics? Your "professor"? Who is that? Your cat?
Vidar

 

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