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Author Topic: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!  (Read 56480 times)

Offline clflyguy

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2009, 11:37:14 PM »
and so on...

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2009, 11:38:24 PM »
and so forth...

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2009, 03:37:34 AM »
Sweet now we are getting somewhere! muahahahaha


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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2009, 03:37:34 AM »
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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2009, 03:24:31 AM »
Progress report:

Rotors before and after the grind!

and tools used...

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2009, 03:26:55 AM »
Marking rotors for north and south with plate used a sharpie marker!

and

Rotors Both marked and ready for epoxy and mags!

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2009, 05:42:27 AM »
   Nice set of rotors. Just a hint tho, you may want to take extra effort on cleaning
the magnet areas. An ounce of prevention is far better than ten pounds of cure. I
have seen what happens when a magnet goes on the loose in a gen head. Tore up
the coil set real bad.
   I have a pair of ten inch saw blades and will be putting some magnets on them for
a test of what dual rotor versus single will put out. I am only using grade eight mags
for the test but it will show me what to expect with larger. That way it will only cost
$32 for the magnets instead of $150.

   Thanks for all the tips here too. I am going to run a split stator as well. That way
it can be replaced without a tear down of the rotor set.

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2009, 05:22:11 AM »
I will be using epoxy rated for 2600psi and cures in 1min to mount them in place then I will use 5min epoxy rated at 3400PSI all the way around the magnet along the sides and from there I am thinking of using fiberglass to cover the rotors and magnets and hold them in place I have yet to see the full explanation of the best way to mount the magnets...

Would love to be sure they last a long time without having to work on the generation portion of the unit at all.

That is the goal.

Still need to get information on winding coils and making the stator assembly I would not mind purchasing one but I figure I need the expirence of winding my own coils.

I am completely open to suggestion but I will not promise I will use the suggestions mentioned...

A saw blade is an interesting idea I just wonder though for my application I don't know weather a saw blade would be of proper thickness I kinda wanna listen to what folks have to say about things you can learn a lot from other peoples expirence...

I will say I have had a horrible expirence with windblue the rotor fits too tightly inside of the stator you cannot even turn them by hand I don't know weather this is normal or not???? They are both from windblue... While that PMA is for a different project it is a shame there is no documentation at all!

I also posted at otherpower.com in hopes of a response as well...

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2009, 11:12:15 AM »
   The saw blades was a quick fix to having them machined. It is as I said, just a test
to see how well it fairs out. I can't expect too much with grade eights anyhow.

thay

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2009, 07:28:35 PM »
@Infringer-
  Sand the mag faces of those rotors better with your orbital, get every bit of rust/corrosion off as well as your magic marker magnet placement artwork.
Make your reference notches for the mags on the outer edges of the rotors at the same time by hanging both rotors at once face to face on a piece of
steel rod or bolt through one of the 5 lug holes, this way there is no room for error in their final alignment. DO NOT FORGET that the mags alternate
+ - + - + - + - on the face of each rotor, and the opposite on the opposing rotor, so that these two rotors when placed in proper alignment on their five
threaded rods are all seeking to join each other with scary and incredible force.
  Attaching mags-  after sanding rotor faces wipe clean with alcohol or acetone, don't touch with dirty fingers. clean mags same way, one at a time
before spreading a little mixed epoxy on the PROPER SIDE and setting into place on the template. When all are placed, immediately remove template
and clean away excess epoxy from fingers, mags and template with alcohol. After doing both rotors spray paint faces, mags and at least edges with
Rustoleum. Please forget about potting the mags with resin- it's a complete waste of time and resin- you already have epoxy and magnetic force holding
the mags to the rotor, and nothing short of a thermonuclear exchange will rend them asunder..
  Write back when you finish this step-  Got your hubs yet? 8)

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2009, 07:28:35 PM »
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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2009, 04:11:39 AM »
Sorry for the delay on posting the rest of the weekend turned into family time...

No I have not gotten hubs yet I am having problems locating them with all of the overtime I have been working 13hrs a day takes it out of you man I don't care who you are! I may just order them from the website you posted forgive me for the painstaking process here I know you wanna see it happen as much as I do it'll just be a while I will work at it as time permits me to.

You find another deal for hubs somewhere you let me know!

I need to get something better to get to the rust the orbital tends to miss quite a bit.

As for the threaded rod I gotta figure out the diameter am I going to need to tap the holes and screw the threaded rod in?

If so I will need to purchase a hacksaw and a tap to the appropriate size as well...


I think what we need is a good parts list and tools required list for this project unfortunately I can only assume the basics for now! You have a more in depth understanding of what is all required so by all means if you can accomplish this within the next week I would be very honored.

Then I could gather the parts and other tools needed I have just started collecting tools to hopefully have a decent way to tackle these projects. I will continue to progress but I need to stop buying other tools and get tools critical to the project only! But I will warn you a welder is an investment as well as a compressor it'll be a while before I am at liberty to purchase these items.

I will check back for the list of tools if you have a better suggestion for grinding the rotors down let me know! And something that is not pneumatic for now preferably.

As far as the epoxy goes I dunno weather I have enough or not but if need be I will get more.  I thought for sure the rotors would last a boatload longer if you made the molding and resin them in I was thinking polyester resin with MKEP hardner...

And the alternator concept I get that portion of the setup N to S  and S to N I have a handy dandy field checker for magnets that tells you weather north or south so that should not be an issue that way.

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2009, 04:40:11 AM »
OK we surely need a complete parts list and tools listing!

I am not seeing a lot I need 12 in wood discs 9 in wood discs how many

1/2" threaded rod sure but what lengths ?

I guess before I go further I need to know the exact parts needed sure I have some and I started a parts listing but you are going about this in a very well thought manner sure but it is your thoughts so I will need your thinking to complete the parts list and tools list needed right now so I can have everything I need to work at my side!

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2009, 02:15:49 PM »
@Infringer-
  Hoss, this project is too simple for me to have to sit down and make you out a parts list. Except for how ever you are going to stand
this machine up, whether it be framework, guy wires or sky hook, everything is in the drawings. I don't know exact dimensions for your
wheel hubs because you haven't got them yet, so how can I tell you exact dimensions for the discs? Are you going to use 1/2" or 5/8"
plywood to build it? I don't know... How long should the threaded rod be? --Break out a damned tape measure and figure it out! There is
an element of design and building skills involved here that require the builder (you) to take a little initiative. This is not some patented off
the shelf design, however it is a simple and very straightforward design guaranteed to work if you if you build it anywhere near correctly.
  My suggestion to you at this point is this: sit down with a couple pieces of blank paper, a couple of pencils and a good eraser and
draw everything. Label everything. Count everything. It doesn't have to be full size, or exactly to scale, all it has to do for you is
establish in your minds eye exactly what it will look like when finished. This technique has worked for me since I was literally a child.
  Sorry for the scolding, but you're a big boy now-  Later, after it is finished you will do an "As Built" drawing (or I will, when you send me all of the dimensions) and compile a final parts list. Be safe, have fun...

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2009, 02:03:44 AM »
My original goal was to have a full guide with a parts list everything required so that everyone could do this easily and cheaply to help cut costs and trials and errors of others a real working form of free power not some magnetic coil magic watt thief that gets energy from the Hoover and back emf kicks from the gravitons riding on a frequency equal to the sq root of pie + a factor of x to the z power...

Real working free energy is here and it can be accomplished with magnets wow a magnetic motor with free fuel? Why don't folks jump in it just floors me they'll spend tons of time and money on some wacky claims. Victory stares them in the face its like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I will be watching the thread and I will post a photo when I am done some time down the road I guess but I am still open to ideas for improvement to the design obviously things can always be improved through creative thinking.

But according to clfyguy folks there is enough information here to build away so let the replications begin!



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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2009, 02:18:45 AM »
For your offline viewing pleasure I have taken the liberty to archive the complete thread for you up until this point for archival reasons.

http://rapidshare.com/files/226539522/VWAT_build_thread.rar.html

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Re: Stator and Rotor how to make help needed!
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2009, 03:22:20 AM »
Was that sarcasm? Do you have a specific question? If so, ask. I was not kidding about everything being there. I personally have no interest in microscopically documenting a simple barrel vawt build, but I certainly wouldn't attempt to stand in your way if it is your wish to do so. If it is not offensive to you, may I ask your age? Perhaps I have inadvertantly overestimated your comfort level
with this project. If so, then,please ask specific questions and I will help you as much as possible. Have you made your coil winder yet? Split your barrels yet? Figured your working diameter yet?
The number of plywood discs of each size you need are on the drawings, did you look at them carefuly? Are you upset because I said you need to sand the rotors more?
  If you want to drop me a personal note, I gave you my email address a few posts back. I'm not sure what your point was in the last post, and if you don't feel comfortable talking about it in an open
forum then email me directly and we can talk.

 

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