Nobody owes you an irrefutable proof of anything.  You are a vile human being, an Internet troll, and I hope you rot in that hellhole rundown apartment that you live in, and I hope your hoopty hydroxy-pimped scooter that you drive to your shitty-ass job everyday finally breaks down on you.

Good thing you can feel good about yourself because you still have power to feast on animals, you big Internet tough guy.  You show those animals who the winner is on the food chain.

And as far as any past arguments go, why don't you put your money where you mouth is?  Point out a free energy technology that we have debated in the past.  I will bet you $5000 that none of it will amount to anything.  Time duration - 3 years.  If there is verifiable evidence of overunity, such a reputable independent study or a product on the market, you win, otherwise, I collect.  Come on, punky.

Hi Wilby.

what is your motto, I mean, what are you all about, what path do you choose to walk? what lessons do you choose to share and pass down?

is there something you know that we have not learned or that which has been past down over the thousands of recorded years?

really, I want to know more about you and your ways, if you are willing to share them that is.

Ro:12:20
Jerry

Hi Wilby.

That is a good start, a little vague but a start.

what is it that ensues you, I mean, do you have a preference to life itself, I mean, if you were that old man on the mountain with wisdom, what would you share that could enrich our lives so that we could be prosperous among the few.

I really am a seeker of wisdom and anyone with wisdom is a temple of knowledge.

Ro:12:20
Jerry

Something WilbyInebriated though cannot change by his senseless and of-topic arguments is that we are contributing to the destruction of many thousands more plants by eating the same food as meat, then if we ourself had went and eaten it. So, calling me a carrot killer must make you (WilbyInebriated) not only a cow and chicken killer, but also three-times-giants-carrot-destroyer, if you get what I am saying. Of course I know how you think and don't care, I thought like that a while ago as well. You are materialist, you try to explain everything we observe and feel as just plain chemical reactions, expect maybe for the human motions which you maybe think has a more "divine" aspect to it, truth is you aren't sure, right?

Plants, animals and humans (which is partly animal) is all 'living beings'.
This is not something created, this is not something initiated by randomness, but something that have always existed. I am not saying that plants and animals are worth less, we are all actually equal.

But to take the physical life from a being is not the same as to fundamentally kill it, that is impossible.
So it becomes a question of how we can cause the least amount of pain to a another living being in order to live and exist as human beings. Plants are both less sophisticated than animals and does most probably not have the same kind of advanced sensory organs for pain as animals (although as experiments have proven, they can be aware of it). Pain is only useful as a tool to our bodies if we have a chance to remove the cause of that pain.

Your many remarks to utilitarian about his "face in the ass" problem and "foot in the mouth"  Not very constructive or positive I'd say. But forget that....
Ok, then I am sorry to have falsely judged you, but you remind me of my older brother's way of looking at life and he is a materialist, or something around that.


Okey I figured it out, you're religious! Well this is a prime example of the typical Christian thinking and nativity, to believe that anything so horrid and evil can be committed that it can be justified with eternal pain and suffering. Well you didn't say eternal pain but you said "depriving it of its life".
This can absolutely be seen as an eternal punishment if it where in fact true, that we die and can never experience life again. From that perspective there is no "degree" between taking one hour or year from you life and to take you life, indefinitely. This is like in mathematics when we use a parabolic or hyperbole shape, its ends will stretch out infinitely, giving you all eternity to walk  between them.
 I need food in order to survive, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that I want to do it in the most humane method which I as a human am able to, and which is also healthy. Giving potatos or bread to a tiger is not healthy, it would surely die, the same goes for many other carnivores.  Bears of many kinds can survive completely without meat if they have to, but they still want it. Humans are fully evolved to handle diets containing only plants. This is proved by all the many cultures which has not needed meat in order to survive.
If you honestly think that this is so disgusting which I think you don't, then compeer that to what is required in order feed you with your weekly consumption of meat.  To feed a cow through its life, accounting for all the energy losses because of its heat production and movement, you would need many times more kg of plants in order to create that kg of meat which you consumes. I cannot take your lack of reason in any other way than that you 'don't want to understand'.

But I know its like this. Even though it all points to this fact, even though it is obvious, you like so many others are not yet willing to accept it because it doesn't fit your lifestyle. It is not about compassion or a guilty feeling for the plants, it is because you don't want to. Period.

Lastly: 
I chose my path because I can understand it. True empathy is not sentimentality, it is in the way our knowledge will take form, but I am not saying that I know it all, I am just on the path.

I still wish you well Wilby,
Julian

End of conversation, I knew you wouldn't take on my questions.
Live your life and live it good, but don't fool yourself into believing that you can truly justify it, you can only talk your way from it.

Julian