Tandem as you put it causes more friction on the rotation of the disc ...
Howard Johnson's Stonehenge motor does not rotate a disk but it rotates the stator as in Mylow's and Queue's replications.
G'day all,
As most of you know I have always been suspicious of the Mylow device. The attempt at replication that did impress me was the Queue replication. There is definite movement there from cluster to cluster.
Having said this, I strongly suspect there will be problems as he attempts to close the circle as it were.
Perhaps there is a way around it. I propose to split the system in two and have them operate in tandem. Below is an illustration of what I mean.
I have drawn the two disks side by side, though in a real motor they would probably sit on the same shaft one above the other.
Something to think about perhaps.
Hans von Lieven
@Grimer, This is about pendulums and magnets, i didnt check it all out http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html
Reposted here from the main discussion thread at the request of Wattsup:
Magnets are smart little buggers. They always have an answer to how they will react. I think they actually morph under varying circumstances because the N/S fields just intermix like too pools of water joining to make one bigger pool. Or they will change one polarity from each magnet that is stuck at that point to become a mutual blotch wall.
@queue & @wattsup
Have you ever got a single segment to start outside of the the stator, move into it and then exit without helping it along?
Fred
@ que, I wood liken 2 straitn 1 thing out, as i am buldn myself. ur mags r imperial? no? or are they metric,thanx
As soon as you close the loop it meets resistance at the beginning of the loop. Ive been trying all kinds of combination and can almost get it to go a full one and a half times around on its own but it always looses momentum and finds a resistance point.
By taping the ceramic magnets to the paper clips I can position them anywhere on the wheel.
First of all you don't need the horseshoe magnet. Facing a north pole and a south pole to the rotor works just as well.
What I found was that clustering them in groups of 3 or 4 then a space it would easily pull itself around on it's own (PROVIDING YOU DON'T CLOSE THE LOOP)., all the way to over 300 degrees of rotation.
I purchased some flexible magnetic sheets and will try some, but I doubt it will work.
Last night I have been working in the open space between sets on various configurations, adding magnets is many ways to push the first magnets field of the second set away from the stator. I used a good sized piece of laminated transformer core with two round Alnico magnets on the end and this worked the best and the stator was able to travel through the open spot but land too slowly in the second, so there is some possibility but I have to work more at it.
I have a 6" X 6" magnetic viewing film and an old HP Photosmart camera with fix lens 2.1 mega pixels that does not do macro :'(. I crop in Gimp to cut out the unneeded part.
Let me summarize what he told us:
1- A magnet is composed of 2 poles, a South and a North pole.
2- Each pole emits 2 vortexes. A "South Pole"* vortex and a "North Pole"* vortex.
3- Each vortex of a common pole have a different strength.
4- The return path of magnetic vortexes in a magnet is situated roughly at the center of the magnet, not at the opposite end.
5- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the North pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 80, so we have a effective and shown North predominance.
6- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the South pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 120, so we have an effective and shown South predominance.
That is basically what Howard Johnson and another fellow, which I don't recall the name, measured with precision using state of the art instrumentation in I think 1957. Since then, with the blessing of the Academics and Regulatory brains, that knowledge has been buried and mostly forbidden in its use for academic teaching. That was 52 years ago and it is still under a load of denial.
That is all for now as I have to go rest my back.
Read and reread Howard Johnson's book “The Secret World of Magnets†until you understand this then start applying his knowledge to your Permanent Magnet Work.
Part Two will be on how to manipulate those vortexes to your advantage and get a greater chance of succeeding in your build of a Permanent Magnetic Motor. It can also be used to amplify the potential of anything involving magnets.
Take care all,
Michel
* Those vortexes are composed of CW spin particles and CCW spin particles. Which is which is not of much value here, those who want to get deeper in the subject should read “The Secret World of Magnetsâ€.
please have a look here :
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/ (http://www.nanomagnetics.us/) and
see what this screen-material can do ( first link on the right side : Magnetic Singularity using the Flux Resonatorâ„¢) :
http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702 (http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702)
Kator01
Has anyone ever tried to shield the center of a bar magnet all the way around it?
Or could this be why the center portion is cut out to make the arch of the magnetic flux abnormal?
Would not having the magnets themselves symmetrical within there flux patter allow for a symmetrical placement on the rotor?
Just thinking out loud here at questions I ask myself...
@ ALL !! , there are BUCKET loads of Chinese magnet manufactures that will go to great legnths to make you ANY magnet, out of any material, to any stregnth, it's like "pick your poison", do some research made-in-china.com for one, send some inquiries with pics and dims, the Chinese people are very polite and promt.
Hi X00013,
I would love to do that but the shape I would want, half moon like Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor would never make it through custom. Try to order some and you will be put on a watch list.
Take care,
Michel
I ripped a magnet out of an old hard drive for a stator. It's curved and has a north south.at the ends. My best pattern so far seems to be.
a 3 - 2 then a 3 - 2 - 1 and then it repeats
S stands for a space and R for rotor.
R S R S R S S R S R S S R S S S R S R S R S S R S R S S S pattern repeats
I mentions it cause there is a lot of odd numbers. Mylow had a lot of 3 rotors sets and 7 rotor sets on his wheels and closed off with an even number don't know if it means much. one last thing the hard drive magnet is a bit strange. by holding it and just changing the angle slightly there were a couple of times the wheel wanted to try and rotate in the other direction.(not flipping north south but by just changing the angle) Stator position and angles seemed to be important for me in the way it exited and enter the gate. Some form of adjustable stand for your stator might be worth the effort.
Someone else might need to confirm this my wheel is slightly warped. What seem to work best in working out my pattern was starting the wheel in the middle or a set or 2 before the middle in what ever rotors I had around the edge. It like the ends balance each other and I could see a bit more clearly the effect of the pattern I chose. When I started it at the ends it looked like the pattern was a dud as I was building it till it started to get more than halfway around the disc. building a pattern from starting it at the ends all the time seemed to cause the wheel to slow down with the more magnets I added. When I worked from the middle( or a set or 2 before the middle) in finding my patterns adding more magnets did not seem to cause the slow down.
:o :)
Why can't folks understand what this means?
Sorry
Wasn't meant for you.
(I hate Blackberrys)
@Michelinho,
Your last post is all too true and it is clear you see. The beginnings of the slingshot effect is clear.
BTW: I saw a post about using more than one stator.... If so, I suggest if you have an even number of rotor groups use an uneven number of stators - or the reverse. It comes out better.
It also decreases the chances of closing the rotor loop (bad) and the number or rotor magnets required.
@ BEP and christC,
I have read somewhere that Mylow tried with a second stator arm and that did not work.
I think an even number would be tougher to get positive results from but an odd number would probably work as long as identical stator magnets are used.
Take care,
Michel
when you add more magnets the flux seems to interact and slow the hole wheel down. I was wondering about some form of magnetic shielding to try and separate the effect of the rotors at the stator.Also see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page)
This vid shows a poor mans magnetic shield at the end of it using what looks like a bit of a metal measuring tape. The metal tape would not be shielding the field I guess it would be directing it away some how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k
If we could use something like this to drop the entry barrier or the effect of the whole circle - You get what I am thinking. ;)
@all (sorry for long post)
I saw Mylows last Utube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bReWmWwDE&feature=channel_page
And................ naturally our first instinct is to ask why in tarnation is he worried about simple stickies when he had a turning wheel. Here's the way I see it, and it is a damn shame.
Well first of all his present rotors are shot, and, he can't just sit still and wait for his next rotors and not do anything. So for the "first time" (now I don't know if it's the first time but if I judge from his astonishment at explaining a simple stickie, one would then ask, geez is this the first time he's used straight magnets), I think he has tried straight magnets. lol
@Sterlinga if you can find out if in his last video, was this the first time he ever used straight magnets or is the object of the video to give a Discovering Stickies 101 Course and he's been using them for years. Both ways is OK with me because I now know why his wheel worked and that is OK with me.
@Sterlinga also, once he noticed his wheel turning on it's own, how long after did he communicate with you. This is a very important question as it will give us more precise idea on the rotor/stator durability. We need some type of Mylow discovery time line.
If you build a unit, I don't care what type of pull, if you put a small motor on the wheel to turn it just a tad 1-2 volts, maybe 3. In time if the stator slowly loses its strength and the rotors lose their strength, eventually you should get to what I would call the Mylow Level of Magnetic Depletion (MLMD), (ya, I know it sounds crazy), meaning the magnets will lose just enough from both sides to eventually be able to turn on its own, because now for the first time, the wheel mass with mild momentum is stronger then the stickies. In Mylows videos, using the same components used by current builders, there is just enough to start the turn, get out of the sticky, enter a new segment and continue to build up momentum in the wheel and from there it is a growing process to it's maximum RPM.
Either that or we have to find a way to deplete rotor magnets, or order rotors that are already depleted, meaning they once had a pull and now have I would say 20% left. lol
Now if Mylow was putzing around with this wheel for years, this would mean that at the beginning when the magnets had stronger fields, his wheel did not work in this same configuration, just like ours. So he must have tried and tried and tried and tried again many variations. But while he tried, his magnets started losing strength until just recently when the wheel turned on it's own and today when they are just dead.
But again, Mylows last video is of such an elementary nature that I am more inclined to think that Mylow was not doing this for very long, and that his rotors and stator were already very weak and his results of wheel rotation where rather quick to show itself, and that now that his rotors are dead and he is trying other magnet types due to having some time on his hands, it is only now that he is really discovering the sticky spot. Sounds repetitive.
So I think this whole Mylow affair is based on dying rotors and stator showing this rotation effect in the hands of someone that did not have enough experience to realize what is happening and who is now stuck in a twilight zone between authenticity and fakery postulations. Yes it would seem like fake if you do not understand what is really going on. But if Mylow had done a standardized but crude pull test on his rotor and stator from day one, he would have been able to realize and roughly quantify the gradual drop in magnetism.
Why are the current builds not working. The only real variable is the relationship between rotor strength and stator/rotor positioning.
We can use a stronger stator and put it further away but then we lose the pinpointed or directed two rotor coverage and go to higher rotor coverages as we increase the length. Mylows last working video shows this where his nearly dead rotors were turning with a newly received stator that was placed further away then many here would have tried. If the new stator is as close as his original, the stators new nature and strength will over power the rotors near dead state. If you then just back the stator away from rotors a few inches, the stator is still too strong and now the active field size grows even more to cover more rotors while the stator field gets somewhat weaker on the rotors, and if you back the stator further out, you get to a point where the stator field curvature is at its edge and is probably just touching 2 or 3 rotors with the right strength to again produce a quasi mutual neutral zone where between these two neutralizing forces, again the wheel momentum can take advantage of the turning momentum.
So based on all this, I think the choice of stator and rotor has to be a simple math equation. If the new rotors are 1 lb pull, and the stator covers two rotors, then the stator should be 2 lb. pull if both the rotor and stator should have the same strength and thus provide the most neutral field possible where the wheel momentum can provide the excess gain. If you have a 12 lb stator, use 6 lb rotors. If you want the stator to be three rotors wide, then use 4 lb rotors. And so on.
But then in the equation the wheel diameter and mass will have to be taken into consideration. I would guess a 17" to 20" wheel should use 1-2 lb rotors and 2-4 lb stators, but as soon as you start using stronger rotors and stators, the wheel diameter and mass must increase accordingly since the potential delevopped neutral strength or mass interchange of mutual magnetic fluxes will provide differences in a scale from 0-1 and the differences would be in the .1 scale. meaning you will require more wheel mass to tear away from a neutral state produced by stronger magnet rotor and stators, even thought they are still neutral, there is more neutral mass flux to overcome with only the wheel momentum.
On my wheel with neos, they are 12 lb pull each, so imagine the pull strength of the stator would have to be 24, 36 or 48 lb pull depending on how many rotors the stator will cover. imagine the inter magnet stress involved if properly balance should make the wheel turn at a 1000 rpm easy. Hmmmmm how to find stronger pull in a compact size. This becomes the next dilemma.
I'll stop now. But I guess the main reason for this post is to say, that I would hope @sterlina will be able to gets some time line answers and if he needs a list of pertinent questions, just ask and I will prepare them during the weekend. I would hate to see Mylow be chastised because of our collective ignorance to the real facts, something that history has shown to be so true. I can only say that Mylow did the right thing is communicating with @sterlinga when he did. Any later and it was too late, effect is gone and we would have lost this opportunity to witness and learn more. So Mylow, I guess you are now member of the Standard Sticky Club. So let's make some more discoveries.
Also see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page)
@Queue,
We provide just enough energy to rotate the disk a few degrees. As yours shows, it rotates over half way.
Why can't folks understand what this means?
BTW: Excellent work. I'm seeing the same. Please don't try closing the magnetic rotor loop. What I found is when that is done there is at least one place where the polarity flips 180 deg. even though the magnet's polarity is the same all the way around.
Well first of all his present rotors are shot, and, he can't just sit still and wait for his next rotors and not do anything. So for the "first time" (now I don't know if it's the first time but if I judge from his astonishment at explaining a simple stickie, one would then ask, geez is this the first time he's used straight magnets), I think he has tried straight magnets. lol
@Sterlinga if you can find out if in his last video, was this the first time he ever used straight magnets or is the object of the video to give a Discovering Stickies 101 Course and he's been using them for years. Both ways is OK with me because I now know why his wheel worked and that is OK with me.
@BEP,
Have you tried to flip one set of magnets polarity when closing the loop to see what happens?
"This would seem to be a case where small is beautiful. Size matters but in the inverse. The natural temptation to use more powerful magnets should be resisted. The discs should be as large as possible, the magnets as small and weak as possible consistent with the motor still working, obviously. One can then gradually increase each of the variables in turn until one generates a negative interaction and the motor stops working. In this way one will map out an operating envelope for the motor and determine which combination of variables gives most power, most speed, or whatever."
Alright, finally we're on the right track! This is exactly why HJ used huge rotors on some of his rotary
designs - to spread the field out so it doesn't all turn into one giant sticky spot. This localizes the
reactions allowing the vortical spin fields to work without being overpowered by those useless B fields.
After getting something to work, THEN we can slowly increase magnet strength while adding permeability plates to sink the B field. This will then maximize the short range vortical spin fields.
On my own rep I'm using a 36" rotor and constructing the rotor magnets from 4" tall bar magnets
with 1.7 lb pull here http://www.mcmaster.com/#5851k11/=1eg8vc with 1006 steel extensions to form the C shape. This is the lowest pull strength I can find and it might be too much! Then I have a one
inch wide roll of mumetal to use as the permeability shield to go around the outside of the magnets
at top and bottom. Then another steel circular shield mounted underneath the rotor magnets and yet another circular steel shield to sit on top of the magnets. This should nuke the B fields!
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.
Last night I stubled upon flux measurments that can be done quite easy by a using hall sensor.Posted in the other thread.. http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/ (http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/)
Would it be an idea to put two hall sensors on the stator magnet, one at each end.
Voltage of these sensors could be measured by a sound card input (two channels) of a PC.
In this way one could easily get more insight in the field alteration of such setup.
p.s. I will do a bit more research later on to show how this can be done easiest.
( have to visit family today).
Hi everyone,
@ Hans, it looks a lot more like Tesla's homopolar generator with 2 disks (bifilar homopolar generator) where the disks are coupled by their circumferences with a conductive belt.
One thing that is so big that I did not see (and was told) and I have to share. Howard Johnson's Stonehenge motor does not rotate a disk but it rotates the stator as in Mylow's and Queue's replications. He also uses both ends repulsive force (1 magnet structure at each end of the arm) to achieve this. Maybe something interesting would be seen as rotational speed and stability of rotation.
Take care,
Michel
Edit: Each time we deviate from the original, we add complexity and difficulties.
And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.
See TK's more than successful MyLow replication!
http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala
cheers
chrisC
read the headline of the video >alt.snakeoilVideo now annotated, how very sad...
I have seen videos discussing meters as power generators for the electric co...
I think that would be a radical thing too radical to be true!
Chris C if you didn't notice he was using an motor to turn his disk underneath... So TK's video was a good fake most likely like mylows.
What is so bad about wind and solar we are all so fascinated by the snake oil claims when we have free energy readily available here and now.
@guys
This is the Mylow builders thread. Please keep this thread free of other affairs or I will have to erase these irrelevant posts. That's why we keep the other thread open for other discussions. Just because no one is posting here since a few days, does not mean people are not working on it.
And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.
Yes I have a lot more to say about the Mylow project but the matter deserves more investigation before I release more. I will say this however: I have two sets of engineering notes. One set from Howard concerns the actual motor operation principles. The other concerns the design of of the mis-information that is being disseminated by a certain group of people out west.
@ALFPARTS
While Mylow's rendition is interesting (but not an HJ design) I would rather develop my understanding of the 'REAL' work of Howard Johnson. ;D
If it is OK with you, maybe @slapper can open a new thread in this same topic heading and call it something like "ALFPARTS HJ Insights" so it can still have a moderator and start a fresh subject specifically based on HJ's works and not be lost in this thread. That would be the ultimate in learning more about his devices.
Thank you for the reply ALFPARTS.120 PM EST BLACKSBURG - Hi guys, I really don't know all that much about Howard's designs since I was more of the gopher and security guy. I do have a technical background but it is in electronics for only 37 years. Howard gave me bits and pieces and from what I can see there are only a couple of missing links. But persuing the Mylow replication won't get ya there from what I can tell. Sadly though I originally was approving of it I think that it is an engineered distraction created for the purpose of sending people on a wild goose chase while the perpetrators actually pursue the real technology and make a few bucks at the same time. I sincerely apologize for not seeing this sooner and feel rather foolish. But for what it's worth: Howard was one of Leedskalnins closest neighbors while serving at the new Homestead Air Base. This might tell ya something.
Couldn't agree more. We need this information out in the public domain. It's been hidden far to long.
wattsup, I appreciate your confidence in me but I think ALFPARTS is capable of doing this himself if he decides to. With that being said I would do what ever is reasonable to get this information out there.
Take care.
nap
I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.
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I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.
Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?
On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.
I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.
Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?
Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?
On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.
I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.
Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?
Guys,
Did someone ask Mylow to show his device working NOT on the desk where he is showing it on the videos. If he is so open for opensourcing it ask him, via Sterling D. Allan who apparently communicates with him, to show his device working on different places outside of his apartment.
Lets apply some rational thinking in our exotic energy search !
SAS
Hi guys!
Sorry to jump in here
I found the right thread finally!
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Lindsay
Eventually, when you add another rotor, you will then notice that the stator no longer travels through any of the segments because you are now in the crown effectWould there be some way of removing or discharging the crown effect?
I've noticed that replicators seem to be using one stator magnet, which is different from what Mylow is using.
I grabbed a frame from one of Mylow's recent videos that shows the two stator magnets and the offset between them. This is obviously one of the keys to the operation of the thing.
Only now, there is danger of the stator mount slipping? But not before?
Once again, what's that near the table leg at 7:51 - 7:53 ??
Want to bet this video disappears soon?
Yes, I could still reproduce what's been shown. Especially if I am allowed to use a placemat, carpets, glass tables with big crossbeams. But they aren't strictly necessary.
Funny how ur apparent and completely understandable scepticism is exactly the same feeling lots of forum members had over the OC-MPMM device shown over a year ago, and after Harvey's comments over at Fizzx, are being shared again by some (me not included it that since i have not enough info on it all)
Mylow seems quite gen guy, not terribly articulate, but has on the surface of it, built a superb device that i think merits further investigation- and less taking the micky out of.
Ur last vid- The challenge, was more theatre than science if u dont mind me saying, and u loaded ur 'replication' with so much equipment one could only sigh and dismiss.
I read all ur postings over on Fizzx, and in the early days u seem sincere and curious to explain the WhipMag rig- y so negative now Al/TK?
Come on- use that fantastic kit that u have access to, and make an exact replica of Magnetmotor1's device and show the world what true Scientific Method application can produce.
C
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Too bad...
@TK:
I think you're right in doing the replication correctly and backed up with scientific data. We'll be even more excited if you can truly and independently verify MyLow's discovery is no AQ phenomena!
cheers
chrisC
Mee too, because I will be vewwy vewwy rich, and I won't be bothering you all any more.
Here's an example of the rough graph output of my latest toy, the Chimpo tacho. Just a screenshot, not a processed graph. The left axis is RPM x 3.8 (I get higher resolution at slow speeds that way). A powered runup of a blank mylow disk, no magnets. At about 620 seconds, I position an Alnico horseshoe stator magnet in just about exactly the position of one of Mylow's stators, a bit over 2 1/2 inches above the disk, pointing down. Then at about 710 I remove it. Then I pull the motor drive away from the wheel and let it rundown on its own. You can really tell a lot from these graphs. See the impulses from the clutch at the acceleration end? And the nice rundown curve--I think I've proved that air resistance goes as the square of velocity while bearing friction is linear, as is eddy current drag.
Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.
Can somebody please tell Stefan that his new format is all screwed up and doesn't format the page properly anymore?
@ Tinsel Koala/ Al
Looked again, with larger screen and u 'Whats that at 7.71-7.53
I think its the split of the moulding on his large television base thats in the corner- a piece of the fascia i think.
its got definate curved shape to it.
well spotted tho hawk-eye.
Wattsup, I apologiized to Mylow personally and havent said anything negative, I don't get the threat to ban me.
@vonwolf
Mylow just showed you a device that just saved you 30 years of R&D. I think that is a pretty good head start. I'll take that any day.
Ah, censorship. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Orwell would be rolling in his grave. Congratulations. You won't be hearing any more about my "replifaketion". And you also won't be able to build a working Mylow motor--because there isn't any such thing.
Bye bye wattsup.
Ah, censorship. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Orwell would be rolling in his grave. Congratulations. You won't be hearing any more about my "replifaketion". And you also won't be able to build a working Mylow motor--because there isn't any such thing.
Bye bye wattsup.
Has anyone attempted to replicate Mylow's setup? Has anyone succeeded? It would great to see some actual replication threads started... Even if the attempts fail, it might be useful information for others.
I have a question that I can not get out of my mind. In the video you can tell that the stator magnet stand is very light, and he said that the stator magnet is pulled down by the other magnets but when there are no magnets under the stator and the magnets on the wheel are off to both side's shouldn't the stator mag get pushed or pulled over.
TK
Sir
What specific truth[being suppressed ] are you talking about?
Chet
Hi
first point ...all those attempting replications I would have a vertical adjustment for the stator rig as well....I think Mylow suggested it.
As for some of us who were critical of the earlier video's...although Mylow took offence to it he did listen and then produced the most credable video's to date on a glass table and pulling it appart. This went a long way to convincing some of us hard core skeptics that he was geniune and answered many of our questions.
On a personal note, I am not sure why he has not allowed an independent evaluation or testing. This would put everything beyond doubt. I believe this is a reasonable request given some of the past claims we have endured from others over the years
Mark
TKYou'll have to ask wattsup--he deleted the post I made, right after LostCause's nice long post.
Sir
What specific truth[being suppressed ] are you talking about?
Chet
The truth that there good reason to doubt MyLow's invention.
There really seems to be a lot of reliance on faith, which is very unscientific. An amateur claims to violate a well-established, basic, law of physics with an invention so simple that surely, if that invention was capable of violating the laws of physics, someone would have done it already.
The response from the youtube community (aka your average person) is "not likely," as it should be. The response from actual scientists, well there is none, because a real scientist would not devote 5 seconds of time to this crap. But here it's like people are rallying behind this guy, when all we have is videos. Not a single replication.
I do not know if you have ever seen magic on TV, but do you think it's really magic, or there is some trick?
The stator magnet is easily available and it goes by the name of Arc Magnet for motors.
@watts: definition of "discussion":
http://dictionary.die.net/discussion
In my mind, this definition allows, nay requires, contrarian views. The statement you deleted, right after LC's excellent post, did not attack Mylow, it only challenged him.
I find it really ironic, but absolutely typical, that I am the one accused of "faking" something, and even being flamed and yes, attacked, when I am posting (or was posting) real results and pointing out how Mylow could be faking, and the inconsistencies in his behaviour and statements.
Like I said before, suppression of the truth is definitely happening in the free energy/ overunity research area. You can see it right here before your very eyeballs.
How many people have bought his plans, and attempted a replication?
I think this is strange too... In reality, people have absolutely no scientific reason to believe this guy's claims UNLESS they have seen it working in person, or replicated his experiment themselves... People are going by this logic... "He seems like an honest guy, therefore he must be telling the truth" and even... "The MIBs tried to interfere with his experiments, therefore he must be telling the truth!" ... This is just weird!
There is a (small) chance his magnetic motor works, and might not be in any violation any known physics laws... Or it could work and be utilizing new physics.. But until I see a few independent working replications I will have serious doubts. I'm always extra skeptical about people trying to profit from their designs designs (who talk about MIBs, etc).. Especially when nobody has produced a working replication!
you should remember though that mylow's stator magnets, while they are from a motor, have been remagnetized. This has been mentioned by sterling on a number of occasions, they were remagnetized with a device from allmagnetics.com if I recall correctly. Most motor arc magnets will have N or S on the inside of the curve / outside of the curve, where now mylow's have the poles at each end of the arc, so N and S are at the points.
Andrew
Edit: I'm guessing it was done with this: http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/magnetizer.htm
Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.
Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.
Video 17 1.38 to 1.57 says it all for me. Listen carefully to all his words during this sequence.
Hoppy
Can you please provide a linked reference to video 17? Thanks.
cheers
chrisC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel
Thanks Hoppy. So, what is your conclusion? I take it you meant he's adjusting some kind of aided mechanism? I thought he was aligning the spindle. We can speculate for all we can but the ultimate proof is whether someone else with a good pair of hands and the same set up can get it going or that MyLow will let some learned person/s investigate further. Anything else is conjecture and if you even think otherwise, you might be subjected to censorship!
cheers
chrisC
Hey guys and girls, can I ask a question? Lets say if mylows motor works, and that is a big IF. But lets say it does. From the videos it looks like there is not much torque for this motor. I doubt that it will turn a generater. So it will be just a big paper weight that spins.
That's really a question for the other thread - this one is about the building of replications. The mod should probably move it, and this reply, over there.I am sorry you are right, I should have sent that to a nother thread. Let me ask you a nother question . I thought his motor was a scaled up version. I just can not see something that big power something so small. So my question is, doesn't a perpetual motor have to over come the energy that made the magnets?
But beside that, ANY form of continous self spinning is the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century, because it turns upside down the conventional scientific view of how magnets work. And while it might not be able to turn an alternator, it will certainly turn a hobby motor, and they work fine as a generator. Who's to say what is and isn't an amount of power worth generating, and if a small one works chances are you can scale it up to turn a bigger generator.
Hey guys and girls, can I ask a question? Lets say if mylows motor works, and that is a big IF. But lets say it does. From the videos it looks like there is not much torque for this motor. I doubt that it will turn a generater. So it will be just a big paper weight that spins.Don't you see that this is just a baby step, to have something that just has enough power to turn itself. Once it's proved to the world that it does turn by itself, it will be analyzed by scientists and engineers to figure out why it turns. And once they understand the principle they will expand on it and make it more powerful!
A study into Mylow's strategy of positioning the rotor magnets. Picture 1 shows how measured from the middle of the bars there is a deviance relative to the mechanical center of spin of about 2mm. Picture 2 shows the alignment with zero deviance when we measure the positioning from the edge of the magnets in the top row to the middle of the magnets in the opposite row.It looks like in those pictures the camera is not at a 90 degree angle of the mechanical point. Which would give an illusion of the deviance. I like what you are doing but we would need the actual motor to get such measurement.
It looks like in those pictures the camera is not at a 90 degree angle of the mechanical point. Which would give an illusion of the deviance. I like what you are doing but we would need the actual motor to get such measurement.I don't know if you've ever heard of stereometrics. It doesn't matter what angle you look: three points making a straight line stay a straight line whatever your spacial operation of angle.
It's a good thing he doesn't go on the media yet. It's best to have numerous replications first. Then the report will contain "even searching on youtube we find numerous replications of this motor", which is a big thing. And I bet them telling it's completely open source ready to be build by anyone will blow some heads off.In one of the videos Mylow said that no one would be able to replicate his motor.
In one of the videos Mylow said that no one would be able to replicate his motor.
A study into Mylow's strategy of positioning the rotor magnets. Picture 1 shows how measured from the middle of the bars there is a deviance relative to the mechanical center of spin of about 2mm. Picture 2 shows the alignment with zero deviance when we measure the positioning from the edge of the magnets in the top row to the middle of the magnets in the opposite row.
This would support the theory on the operation that the offset of the center of magnetic spin from the center of mechanical spin might be decisive in catching the time energy of space. Abstracted: Et=Rl x Rv. In words: The machine produces pure time energy as a product of the linear channelled rotation (Rl) of the magnetic track combined with the vortex effect of an off center magnetic focus (Rv).
Doing tests of my own show that setting off the center of magnetic spin facilitates the spin in one direction at the cost of the other (including stator polarity reversal). Thus there is directional preference depending the positioning of the magnetic focus. This can thus work in favor as much as it may work against operation.
I admire your effort however i think you have failed to take into account distortion from the angle the photographs were taken and the lense distortion. The results of your investigation are most likely as skewed as the angles.
Maybe you could attempt to compensate but it would be quite an accomplishment to get all the details for mylow to assist you.
Cheers,
Dean
Also, on his latest vid where he has Sterling rig next to his, he describes how the Sterling bar mags are a lot smaller than his Magnetmotor1 magnets, but they only look a margin shorter and thinner than his, so y the big deal?
Does he have some magic formulae for the calculation of bar magnet to platter dimension i wonder?
Plus, all his bar rotor magnets have got a chamfered edge(leading as the rig rotates clockwise) on them, so what does that chamfer indicate?
Poss, N/S pole configuration?
Or is this the secret to the edging of magnets that HJ aluded to in his patent?
Note for all replicators maybe.
According to Mylow, the width of the bar mag rotors needs to be 2 stators plus a gap, with the 2 stator design. The bar magnets are through magnetized, N or S pole facing up.
2 rotors plus a gap would be the two rotors and the gap between them, then you would also have to add the next gap as well. That would technically make 2 rotors plus 2 gaps wide for the stator. If the gap is half a rotor width, we could summarize by saying the stator it three rotor widths.
On the other end, if the rotor is 2 inches long, each stator shoudl be 1 inch.
This is what I understoond from one of his build videos.
But then again, I am sure any slight variations of the above could be easilly compentated for by putting the stators closer or farther apart, higher or lower. That will be the main work.
Added: I just received my 4 ceramic ball bearings. Now ready to give all parts to my metal shop guy and get this wheel finished while I order my magnets. All in good time.
Bearing Specs:
Brand: Unknown
Model 6202 5/8th
Bore Dia.: 0.625"
Bearing Dia.: 1.378"
Bearing Height: 0.433"
Ceramic Bearing Color: Black
Supplier: Bearing Kinetics Inc.
Web Site: www.bearingkinetics.com
If you drop a strong magnet down a copper pipe the magnet falls in slow motion.
This is because the magnet falling creates an electromagnetic field in the pipe.
I believe this principle is at play here on the aluminum disk,
and is overcoming the sticky spot in the gap.
I know this has already been mentioned here before, but I just
wanted to mention, this is my theory on how this works too.
Another consideration here is the Faraday Disk principle.
Magnets attached to a conducting disk set up a Faraday Disk.
Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl believes permanent magnets collect cosmic energy and transform it into magnetism.
If this is true then a Permanent Magnet Motor doesn't violate any laws of physics,
it is just an energy collector like a solar cell.
We just need to find a way to harness the energy collected.
Keep up the good work, I think we're on to something here.
I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/
Seems this one is working too..... :)
Chris:
I saw the report over on Sterling's site but have not seen this latest video anywhere. Do you have any links to it yet? That bird is not named Lucky for nothing. He may be the secret to the whole thing.
Bill
There may be a link but the stator is rather far from the alu-plate and I do not know if the magnet/copper tube effect could be extended also to aluminum.
I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.
So, it won't be long before the successful replications start pouring in, then. Will it.Won't you look silly if first you've tried and failed, then questioned Mylow's tutoring skills, before indeed successful replications do start pouring in?
In fact, Mylow makes it look so very easy, that it does seem just a little bit strange that nobody's done it yet. Doesn't it.
And it also seems strange, now that he's going so public, that he won't have a couple of engineers look at his running one, so that he can take my money and make me look silly.
Doesn't it?
Won't you look silly if first you've tried and failed, then questioned Mylow's tutoring skills, before indeed successful replications do start pouring in?
Why not stay open for the option that some guru out there has a really good feel for something, and that his skills can to some degree be transferred on others? At least the guy has been trying persistently for a long time.
TK, you have the rig, why not slap on the magnets Mylow is using in the latest videos. They're cheap, and he's even divulged the spacing ratios. I'd like to see if you get the same swinging effect he shows with 2 rotors. If you don't see that right away, it would certainly add to the mystery.
I'm not certain, but open. I've always thought it to be possible, just difficult.
I am hoping, not knowing, this guy's got it, and just giving us all the worse possible time over it.
If he's for real, it won't even easy to do this with the guru himself standing next to you. I bet every magnet is different, and needs to be treated as individual, like a good sports team.
We'll see. At least it's entertaining.
I think I will.
But how much do you want to bet, that my version won't work, and will only show a decrease in run time with the stators present, like all my other configs have shown? I just don't have the "MyLOW Touch", I know that already.
Of course, if I CAN get it to work, I'll be instantly rich--because I know the value of such a device--and I doubt if you'll be hearing from me any more. I certainly wouldn't be wasting time putting up YT videos. I'd be talking to my friends at NASA Ames, and calling up Marc Millis with the solution to some of his major problems...
:-\
What a cop out
" I just got off the phone with Mylow.
He's out working right now.
From his description, he definitely has acceleration with just 6 magnets. He said after four magnets, he started noticing something "weird", and even with five magnets, it pulled in, thrust past the stator, and made it all the way around to do it again. With six magnets, it was accelerating until the assembly was shaking to the point that he stopped it lest it be damaged or fall apart.
It kind of has him freaked out, and he's hesitant to post a video showing it. He's concerned about the ramifications of this hitting the planet and the disruption it might cause. I reminded him that whenever a new technology is introduced, there will be some down sides, but that the benefits outweigh the potential problems. Every car that is sold carries with it the possibility of killing its occupants. But the benefits of transportation far outweigh the potential risks.
He's also concerned about his personal life. He enjoys his simple life, and doesn't necessarily savor the idea of being thrust into the limelight.
He thinks of all those guys who have been working on things like this over the years, but to no avail. I would think they would be grateful to see something actually working, vindicating what they were pursuing. Yes, there might be some jealously, wishing they had been first, but overall there will a sense of collective accomplishment, and a thrill for the future as this technology is characterized, optimized,and implemented into practical embodiments."
Quote from Sterling
What a cop out
" I just got off the phone with Mylow.
He's out working right now.
From his description, he definitely has acceleration with just 6 magnets. He said after four magnets, he started noticing something "weird", and even with five magnets, it pulled in, thrust past the stator, and made it all the way around to do it again. With six magnets, it was accelerating until the assembly was shaking to the point that he stopped it lest it be damaged or fall apart.
It kind of has him freaked out, and he's hesitant to post a video showing it. He's concerned about the ramifications of this hitting the planet and the disruption it might cause. ......"
Quote from Sterling
Instant rich?
1W useful output per 2lb of machinery perhaps?
Did anyone calculate the power needed to reach such rpm's in that way? I bet your breathe is hardly any weaker.
If Mylow would sell his (when proven) setups, stator assembly firmly locked in place, that might get some dollar. Each next unit less, though.
Another replicator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM
And another replicator!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWwTJ2iqzM
This researcher will definitely be the first genuine MyLOW motor replicator. I can't hold a candle to this codger.
RESPECT!!
;D
This researcher will definitely be the first genuine MyLOW motor replicator. I can't hold a candle to this codger.
RESPECT!!
;D
@TK...
okay....you know more than me about electricity...and you have ages more experience with this stuff than I do...
if this thing was pushing an 10 pound disc for 24 hours straight at 120rpm, how much electrical energy could you store, and how long would that energy keep a 60w lightbulb lit?
I know this question is full of holes, so fill in the assumptions and make an estimate...
for the education us regular folks...
;)
@TK
"There are many more useful ways to use that momentum than just extracting electricity from it."
so let's qualify the top 10 ways we can use this machine to get us off oil....
(besides, its a good way to calm you down and get stefan off your back)...
:)
(snip)
So has anyone a reasonable explanation of this miracle at Mylow's?
Mylow responds to honest posting at YouTube:
Where do you source aluminum parts for the base? Are you all friends with owners of CNC machines? lol
Serious replicators owe it to themselves to watch this short video for very in depth analysis of Mylows disk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page
My take on the video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg178884#msg178884
http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/msc-storefinder.aspx
WOW. Must have missed that while building a rotor... But whyowhy is Mylow persisting then? Does his house sit on a magnetic vortex?
Damn...
Don´t worry about it looking like a hoax, you can never have enough magnets, bearings disks etc. Loads of experiments to do with them, HJ motors included :)
I'm waiting on 72 mags, personally. And a shiny aluminum disk. Still have to work out the base/ bearing. These peeps make it look so easy...
I don´t think Mylow is a bad man, not at all, just a slightly mischievous one lol. I always enjoy watching his vids.
I'm waiting on 72 mags, personally. And a shiny aluminum disk. Still have to work out the base/ bearing. These peeps make it look so easy...
This is getting close
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM
And CLaNZeRS on entering and exiting the gates in his latest vid seems to show a large piece of the puzzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAK8aQ6tSg
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5hWpuqte0
At this time it may be worth reviewing the 'Model T' discussion on the 'coral castle' thread.
The bell housing had an unbalanced flywheel which reportedly would run on its own, on cow magnets placed in prepared slots on the housing.
Ed L. also used the same parts in his work.
Regards...
I'd have to say overly mischievous when he has people traveling some distance to see his motor, using money for fuel, time taken out of their daily lives, I have no love for Sterling, but what Mylow did to him and PMMTester is unforgivable, no it's not any loss to me so I really should not care, but it could have been one of us.
Also I doubt it could have been you, I don´t think the sell was quite convincing enough to fool you RB, you´ve never seemed the type to engage in too many leaps of faith.
Heh, you can thank Steorn for that, I took a leap of faith on them 6 years ago, it will not happen again, my rule now, if an inventor/replicator is confident in their claim, then they have nothing to hide, excuses are not acceptable when claiming FIRE2.0
RB, you mean three years ago don't you? I mean they only went public in August 2006. Did you know about them before that?I stand corrected, man it seems so much longer!
I stand corrected, man it seems so much longer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrdpO-lkLY
and another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyIv1evcbM
Closest one yetSo close, it makes Mylow's claims quite a bit more plausible. Someone is going to get it done. Like Mylow did, or didn't. Hopefully someone who'll show it to others will be the first to manage.
So close, it makes Mylow's claims quite a bit more plausible. Someone is going to get it done. Like Mylow did, or didn't. Hopefully someone who'll show it to others will be the first to manage.
So close, it's Implausible. He says that he positioned his magnets "exactly" as Mylow showed with his micrometer. But Mylow measured his magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter.
I challenge anyone to reproduce Mylow's measurements on their disk, without special jigs and tooling. It is simply impossible to emplace anything that precisely by hand. Fourteen times.
Listen to what he says about that in the newest video
Do you think some of them will catch on?, I'm kinda betting not.
Don't know, but if this goes on much longer i'm checking into a nice rubber room.
Well, this probably won't help, then. I'm uploading another "how he might have done it" video right now.
Well, this probably won't help, then. I'm uploading another "how he might have done it" video right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlfsx1ZaT0
Think Model 'T' - unbalanced flywheel - John Keeley - Ed Leedskalnin's Model 'T' flywheel assembly.
Regards...
Chase, broli
You two a double act or something?, has TK possibly made you realize the possibility of a fake?, I'm guessing not, but I'm also guessing TK has made you feel uncomfortable about all this, maybe a really tiny nagging doubt that you push to the back of your minds.
Mylows tips on placing magnets
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305
:)
TK you sure lost any shred of respect I had for you. Anyone with common sense steps down and IGNORES something he doesn't believe in. But not you sir. You make it your soul purpose to do anything you can to bring the thing down that is threathning your believes. Your "religion" is so radical that it is a danger to the cause of this community.TK is doing real science, that is the skeptical part of science. It is obvious that a lot of people will waste time and money on something that science says is not possible. What would you say to TK then?
I'm a bit enraged that you have so much equipment and potential and are doing nothing with it. Do everyone a favor and either quit on te mylow story and work on something contructive or leave this please.
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.
Must have been a lot of local magnetic vortexes back then and a few since.
Just admitting that you have an experience with such a device will cause the flies to leave that pile and head for you.
The only thing such an experience would do is open your mind to possibilities others are too inexperienced to imagine.
I'm not a fly looking for another place to raise 'children'.
I believe you had such a motor experience so if you ever recall enough info and wish to post I'll listen (without instantly calling you a fraud).
Until then, good luck with your project!
@AB Hammer
I second BEPs post.
Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol
AB Hammer, if you have carried out experiments that would be new to most...
Do you now keep them to yourself to:
- save yourself the Mylow experience
- work on your patent/world domination plans
- get even better press with your next invention
?
Please share what you have. Others might have the missing pieces to the pzzule you've laid out in front of you.
CloxxkiFair enough.
I am but a Blacksmith with medieval ways of thinking due to what I build. I am going the patent rout for a better life possibility and I have a couple of friends and partners I tell what I am doing and when the time is wright I will show what I am doing. I have posted several other designs on OU as well. So I am open to an extent and will give honest opinions from my experiences. But to show everything I have done would take over 600 strings to get started. So I pick and choose what I want to show and hold back on what I need.
CloxxkiIf you have something, I most certainly wish you that better life, and for your family. Most who came before you failed in that respect though, so I wish you foresight and wisedome. It takes one kind of original thinking to get to inventions, and another to use them for your personal gain. Although I prefer the first part, I'm better at the other, so for now just helping others with their designs rather than getting my own realized.
Don't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.
TK is doing real science, that is the skeptical part of science. It is obvious that a lot of people will waste time and money on something that science says is not possible. What would you say to TK then?Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?
I love science and mylow is demeaning it.
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?
Well, it could be like an unconventional parachute. You know, it doesn't open.
Well, it could be like an unconventional parachute. You know, it doesn't open.That is proven science based on factual data, this forum is about the unknown science or am I mistaken?
Is unconventional science where you can discard the scientific method, and proclaim something as true based on "feelings?" If that is the case, you cannot call it science at all. It is pseudoscience.All unproven science IMO unless proven is pseudoscience if science has no answers it make's them up to fill the gaps & call's it therory science is partly just belief until proven, much the same as religion
The essence of scientific research, however bleeding edge, is the rigorous scientific method. You have to challenge every new claim until it can withstand all attacks. I don't know why people don't get that.
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?Science can't be labeled conventional or unconventional. Science is science.
Science can't be labeled conventional or unconventional. Science is science.Is this forum not called "overunity" explain the science behind that!
If you think you can do without science then you are in the wrong forum.
That is proven science based on factual data...
Conversely do you mean this forum is like unknown science based on false data?What?
I think you are misunderstanding the fundamentals of science. It is a process or methodology not a monolithic thing. It's litany keeps evolving, expanding and modifying itself in accordance with new discoveries that are falsified, verified and replicated. If all of the information being dealt with is factual then the criteria for being addressed by science is an imminent possibility. There is nothing about free energy or over unity that cannot be dealt with by science unless you enter the realm of magic or pseudoscience. As to arguments over scientific sacred cows they are all facing the same test by falsification, verification and replication. In fact as the history of science shows, nothing is sacred that cannot be disproved on that basis.
What?
I don't mind admitting I have no idea what you are on about, I simply tryed to state if you jump out of a plane with no shoot there is a high chance you won't survive as proved by physics & the fact's that not many do??
What has this got to do with OU?
@AB Hammer
I second BEPs post.
Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol
BTW:
When you look at rotational speed from an angle the plot will show as a sine wave. Normally this has nothing to do with wobble or imbalance when viewing from a compressed video.
When you correct for the angle the speed plot is a fairly smooth increasing ramp. The burst in speed then should be seen correctly then with a gradual decrease in speed until passing under the stator again.
Would it be possible to get a FIRE2.0 analysis for the following video please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
Don´t fake the results now. 8)
Thanks
AZ
PS: No fish wire in sight.
Good grief. This is one of the ones that could very easily be turned by Mr. Hand. No sophisticated analysis is required, only careful observation--and make ye then a theory that fits ALL the known facts.
Are you up for a challenge?
IF as you say Mr. Hand powered the above mentioned device, the moment he zooms out it should decelerate, right?
So, acceleration analysis please...
Of THIS video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
While he is AWAY from the wheel:
If the graphs show deceleration... I will hold my peace forever, I promise. (after I checked the results ofcourse)
If the graphs show a constant speed (or acceleration), I am right.
If I am right, this situation becomes scary and fascinating at the same time.
Like a middle aged woman making an indecent proposal to a sixteen year old virgin boy.
Indulge me
never mind.
I don't suppose it is even remotely possible that there is some one else nearby. No, that would be too easy.
No, I'm not going to do the acceleration analysis. You do it. I'm tired. And it is you, after all, who is trying to make a point. I've already made mine, so if you think this video is proof of anything I suggest you , yes, try to replicate it.
Touko performed perspective correction (he mentions the need to do so in his vid comments, maybe you didn´t notice) and then tracked the dot, it´s angle in each frame then being derived with standard geometry. The plot he produced was a true representation of the angular velocity of the disk as a function of time.
Not sure how video compression could affect the plot in any way other than introducing very slight noise to the curve, please eleborate.
P.S.Enjoy your flight.
Hi Bep,
My thoughts on the overall sin wave are:
Greetings AllHmm the plot thickens in the following at 1:26 to 2:20 Mylow is seen to frig with the base of the motor alot could he be attaching the fishing line?
I just received this link in my email and I figured best to pass it on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw&feature=channel_page
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.
G'day Alan,
How about sharing with us how you did that because this is better than anything I have seen.
Hans von Lieven
For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.
But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?
But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?
This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.
Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.
I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.
Thanks.
Regards...
Greetings Hans
I wrote this in an earlier post responding to BEP
>>This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before.<<
This is truly all I can remember of what I did as a kid of 14. I am now 50. One of the things after trying to redo that old wheel is that the old iron magnets were allot more forgiving than the magnets we find today, and that my be the only reason it did what it did. I do have other magnet ideas and I may post some of them, but that will be after I finish up with my present gravity wheel projects. I will look for the same type of magnets I had back then and try once again for my own piece of mind. For old memories will always haunt us in this game.
For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.
But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?
But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?
This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.
Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.
I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.
Thanks.
Regards...
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of 6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.
AA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM
I saw a YT video that says that 3 + 3 = 8.
I found this to be completely in line with my theories of integer cloning.
So I tried to replicate. Here's a page from my lab book.
3 + 3 = 8.
er....
3 + 2 + 1 = 8.
hmm.
1 + 5 + 1 = 8.
Making progress!!
5 + 1 + 1 = 8.
Grr. dammit.
6 + 1 = 8.
5 + 2 = 8.
Let's try a different approach.
9 - 2 = 8.
9 - 3 = 8.
9 - 4 = 8.
9 - 1 = 8 !!! Success!
We need more replicators!!
(coffee spilled here, a blood stain, further data missing--a page torn out...Hmmm.....success, suppression!!!)
reverse one the 3's (mirror image) and put it on top of the other 3 and it can equal 8.
I have not said it yet but that was good work on your video's TK ;D
Well call it what you will.
The evidence that video #6 is a fake is extremely slim. This also can't explain when he removed the stator bridge to show the stator close up. When he put it back into place there was not attempt at all to pass a string through the hole. The move of the stator bridge when he showed the stator means if there was string there, it would have been created considerable slack on the string. Again this is not seen and for all intents the video #6 CANNOT BE USED TO CALL THE CHANNEL MAGNET WHEEL A FAKE.
Second image added to new post because the "more attachements" feature does not work.
Watts:
That looks like a nice platform and bearing set-up. I enhanced the photo and you can clearly see some lines going off to the left so I guess this means you will be replicating Mylow?
Obviously, (hopefully obviously) I am kidding and I, of course, added those lines to your photo.
But seriously, you will always be able to find a good use for a spinning platform, especially one that looks as sturdy as that one.
Bill
Watts:
That looks like a nice platform and bearing set-up. I enhanced the photo and you can clearly see some lines going off to the left so I guess this means you will be replicating Mylow?
Obviously, (hopefully obviously) I am kidding and I, of course, added those lines to your photo.
But seriously, you will always be able to find a good use for a spinning platform, especially one that looks as sturdy as that one.
Bill ***EDIT*** In retrospect, this may not be quite as humorous as I had intended. If this is the case, let me know and I will remove it, or you can.
So, I take it Aquar1uZ feels it will work because he sourced channel magnets basically the same as Mylow's originals (as shown in the videos with the fishing wire)
Good luck, brother.
Judging by recent posts perhaps another method of sharing information is worth considering?
For anyone giving up on this attempt AND if you have obtained materials for this replication which match the visual and verbal descriptions from Mylow- I am willing to consider purchasing your materials.
Please send the specs and asking price for each item. A pic of the disk will be appreciated.
Send this via PM.
Any message sent or posted repeating the negative ideas, comments and foul language we've sufferred in the echo chamber will cause me to exercise the only power I have here. You will be added to my ignore list (everybody scared now?) :o
I reserve the right to make an offer to those I choose based upon overall cost and how close the material is to what was originally described.
I am not interested in anything after the channel magnet videos.
Don't bother asking 'why?'.
@Wattsup
I realize this request will cause even more of the flies from the other pile to race towards this thread. I am sorry for that.
Judging by recent posts perhaps another method of sharing information is worth considering?
The Mylow mystery clarified:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4&NR=1)
On a more serious note, I think I read somewhere that exposure to heat weakens magnets...I can't recall how much though.
Regards...
Will polls be allowed or just strickly technical talk?
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Will people, without being rude be allowed to give critical reviews of the devices?
I am being polite as I agree if this is your thread, then you have the right to set the rules.
I know a cheap source of magnets if anybody wants some . The person have enough for 16 complete sets of mylow motors. He bought them prior to the revealing Mylow tapes. he is open to offers.
If anyone is interested I will get him to come here so people can contact him.
Kind Regards
Mark
Sterling seems to have a propensity for not taking responsibility for his actions. He releases Mylow's phone call to him which he felt was private but gives out it out to some others and apparently doesn't tell them to keep it under wraps and is now chastising those people?
Will polls be allowed or just strickly technical talk?Mark, which magnets are sale? How much does he want for them?
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
Will people, without being rude be allowed to give critical reviews of the devices?
I am being polite as I agree if this is your thread, then you have the right to set the rules.
I know a cheap source of magnets if anybody wants some . The person have enough for 16 complete sets of mylow motors. He bought them prior to the revealing Mylow tapes. he is open to offers.
If anyone is interested I will get him to come here so people can contact him.
Kind Regards
Mark
Unfortunately Sterling has no bearing on the builders and what he does can be discussed elsewhere. Geez we have threads open to cater to your every need because here at overunity.com, WE AIM TO PLEASE.
When I get my bar magnets, I want to work on a clipping system that will enable me to position the rotors just as easily as with my neos. Otherwise I feel the gluing will be bad for trying so many testing parameters. Does anyone have any ideas on this or is using something now that could help?
Some vizimag captures ...
@ wattsup,wattsup is the worst yet.
so why were all the other threads locked up?? I am still awaiting for your replication. You bullied people around here, made a fool of yourself and now you have gone power crazy and locked up threads you didnt even start.
Covering your embarresment????
Look we all make mistakes and you were sucked in like many others. Learn from this...don't become a dumb ass.
I would like to know where Steffan stands on this.
PS I will be away for a week. Another trip.
Keep up the good work everyone
Mark
Just curious.. What's the point of discussing the Mylow magnet motor now?
@md
Quit barking up the wrong tree. Your answer is one post before your last one if you bothered to look. Enough said.
Seriously, you're THE ONE still barking up the wrong tree. Surprise us with your working MyLow motor, or just keep your profile LOW, as in myLOW! You've talked too much already with nothing to show for.
cheers
chrisC
I agree a 100% alfparts.
Was it you who lives below the Tenn. line or was some one ells. Some one is in birmingham.
I have been packing up stuff for a few weeks to relocate so most of my work is on hold. It was not easy to pack everything up and even harder to part with some of it. When i get settled in hopefully before august I can restart but if it takes as long to unpack and get organized again it could be longer.
I really need to stop being such a pack rat or find a junk yard to buy with a home near it.lol
There are so many caustic people on this forum. Give the man a chance. It's not like this is his full time job!
Didn't even think about that ::)
Also it's obvious that Mr Hand is the motive force.
But even if the hand wasn't spinning it, the hard
drive motor makes it suspect
Working Mylow replication?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
Working Mylow replication?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
A real magnet motor will soon emerge. It won't be a situation in which anyone will be saying "yeah, it spins, but will it produce enough energy to make an LED twinkle? It will have POWER and there will be no doubt that a permanent magnet motor works and will be the motive force of the future. Mark these words, it will emerge within 6 months. The most important and required component will be the BRAKE.
I suspect that hover boards will be a real product on the market by then. Oh and pigs will be genetically altered to fly as well.
BTW, producing torque isn't the only issue--besides making it actually spinning in the first place. You'll have to make sure that the magnets don't demagnetize the flux with constant repulsive positions with other magnets. If that were to happen then the motor power would simply be a poor energy-dense battery.
I suspect that hover boards will be a real product on the market by then. Oh and pigs will be genetically altered to fly as well.
BTW, producing torque isn't the only issue--besides making it actually spinning in the first place. You'll have to make sure that the magnets don't demagnetize the flux with constant repulsive positions with other magnets. If that were to happen then the motor power would simply be a poor energy-dense battery.