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Title: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 05, 2009, 02:49:58 AM
@builders

OK here we are. This thread is for Mylow Replication - Discussion. We welcome builders and serious collaborators. Any talk of any defamatory nature will be removed from the thread because we want this thread to be solely for the technical aspects of member builders.

I would also ask that all builders open their own thread located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=117.0
and use the title convention as follows "Mylow Replication - username".

Other members should not post in builders threads unless it is very pertinent because we don't want to end up with builder threads having 100 pages. Keep discussions here. This will be easier for builders to following since they won't have to wade through endless pages for specific build specs.

So gather up your tools and come on down.
I will keep this first post location to eventually provide master links, etc.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: LightRider on April 05, 2009, 03:59:53 AM
Thanks Wattsup, it was time.  ;)

If some videos were deleted in the future,
I BackUp all the 41 videos. (Names: VIDEO #1 to #41) at...
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
cheers,
LightRider
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: captbuck on April 05, 2009, 04:24:14 AM
Glad to see a new thread....heavy vibrations..make a good novel.  I am a long time mag motor experimenter and i am trying some smot variations and find all your work interesting. I am also praying for a viable PMM.

Anyway pls builders help me with a inexpensive source of the rotor mags.. cheapest I find is about 4 dollars a piece..
also I am ancious to see clanzers workup??  and I wish that Queue's 3rd video showed some stator involvement just to see for ourselves the reaction or lack...pls

thanks for any info
ps I have looked  at most if not all of the published info
Buck
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 05, 2009, 05:00:31 AM
@queue and everybody.

I am wondering why in queue video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCgXWN-15A there is less deceleration entering into the last set of 7 magnets then the first 2 sets of 7. Queue any thoughts - are the measurements exactly the same?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 05, 2009, 05:47:45 PM
It seems to me that the major problem facing builders is that facing a salesman, closure.

How does the gap know that there is a long string of gates on either side?
The customer has to be confused so he doesn't realise he has got to the point of no return.

In designing gears one chooses prime numbers for the teeth of meshing pairs so that wear is evened out. It is possible that the same kind of technique could be used here. Mylow has already used this to some extent by breaking up the rotor magnets into groups and having a gap. His intuitive idea could be extended by having random sized groups and gaps. Think of it as confusing the closing gap by having a lot of small waves of different wavelengths so that no big wave can slosh around to raise the walls at the end. Probably the only ratio which has to be kept constant is that between the pitch of the stator poles and the pitch of the rotor magnets. The optimum pitch for this could be found by repetition on a given group of rotor magnets, prime number 7, say.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: slapper on April 05, 2009, 07:30:03 PM
Thank you wattsup. As always; your courage and enthusiasm is inspiring.

@captbuck

I''m copying over a post I made from the other thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166106#msg166106 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166106#msg166106)

ACH79 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles
100pcs $1.28 each plus one time charge for tooling of $175.00 6-8 week delivery

They have 2 other similar magnets in stock for immediate delivery:
0.280 X 0.370 X 0.750 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles; 100 pcs $1.38 each
0.380 X 0.370 X 0.840 Channel magnet Alnico 5 magnetized with two poles; 100 pcs $1.48 each
They both have 0.125 hole in the middle.

The following image is the fax they sent me.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omnibus on April 05, 2009, 11:02:29 PM
@queue,

I'm still curious about this suck-in-spit-out business within an individual cluster I mentioned couple of times. I don't think it can be tested when the rim is complete in your case because it very well may be that the magnets you're using are too strong and the clusters cooperate and don't act as isolated islands. As I mentioned before, what we need in principle is a hybrid between the magnetic propulsor and the tri-gate. My hope was that Mylow's may be such a hybrid and I'm still not satisfied w/ the outcome until I clearly see that it isn't. I wonder if you intend to do more work with your contraption. If not I'll be very happy if you could send it to me (at my expense) for, say, a week to do some experiments with it. Alternatively, if you think it's appropriate I can come up to you in Montreal. As for my own rig, I don't know when the magnets will arrive and the cutting of the Al disk which I'm planning to do only after that will take even more time. I was thinking, there are available constructions already to carry out this simple test. One of them is yours, which is the closest to me, and I thought maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to mention this to you.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 06, 2009, 12:16:21 AM

Hi everyone,

Good move for the thread wattsup.

Here are a few observations that might or not help.

The disk when it starts running becomes a Faraday disk. So it is very much influenced by the surrounding magnetic field of the Earth and all the electromagnetic pollution added.

The other is harder to imagine since it is based on a drawing in "The Electrical Experimenter" but don't recall the month or year of publication. The drawing shows the relation Earth/Moon by enclosing Earth in an offset "U" shape or horseshoe magnet and the Moon spins around it always showing the same face.

The third far fetched idea comes from Boyd Bushman "celt" stone as the mode of propulsion is the counter rotating force.

Take care everyone,

Michel

P.S.: If the MIB were to threaten my family, I TOO WOULD DECLARE MY RESEARCH A FAKE WITHOUT HESITATION. Think about it.

I hope it can help anyone working on this project.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on April 06, 2009, 01:10:19 AM
G'day all,

As most of you know I have always been suspicious of the Mylow device. The attempt at replication that did impress me was the Queue replication. There is definite movement there from cluster to cluster.

Having said this, I strongly suspect there will be problems as he attempts to close the circle as it were.

Perhaps there is a way around it. I propose to split the system in two and have them operate in tandem. Below is an illustration of what I mean.

I have drawn the two disks side by side, though in a real motor they would probably sit on the same shaft one above the other.

Something to think about perhaps.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 06, 2009, 02:37:02 AM
Hi everyone,

@ Hans, it looks a lot more like Tesla's homopolar generator with 2 disks (bifilar homopolar generator) where the disks are coupled by their circumferences with a conductive belt.

One thing that is so big that I did not see (and was told) and I have to share. Howard Johnson's Stonehenge motor does not rotate a disk but it rotates the stator as in Mylow's and Queue's replications. He also uses both ends repulsive force (1 magnet structure at each end of the arm) to achieve this. Maybe something interesting would be seen as rotational speed and stability of rotation.

Take care,

Michel


Edit: Each time we deviate from the original, we add complexity and difficulties.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on April 06, 2009, 03:34:02 AM
By definition a stator is fixed and a rotor moves. A stator that moves is not a stator.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: infringer on April 06, 2009, 03:39:30 AM
Tandem as you put it causes more friction on the rotation of the disc ...


If you really want something to try buy some carbon fiber and polyester resin and hardener off ebay cut out your circle and harden it up...

The lighter you make the disc or magnetic rotor the less friction you will have ...

I dunno what is the gig with keeping everything aluminum other then the fact it is cheaper and light weight ...

Good luck just a suggestion take it for what its worth.

Honsvonlevin got it correct...

Think of rotor as short for rotation and stator short for stationary this is how I always remember the two!

And I almost wonder if the people who named it did not vision the same thing?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on April 06, 2009, 03:49:01 AM
Tandem as you put it causes more friction on the rotation of the disc ...


There is not necessarily much of an increase in friction if both disks are mounted one above the other on the same shaft. I only drew it that way because the principle is easier to see. In fact there could be multiple disks.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 06, 2009, 04:14:36 AM
Hi,

Quote
Howard Johnson's Stonehenge motor does not rotate a disk but it rotates the stator as in Mylow's and Queue's replications.

It rotates what Mylow's and Queue's replication use for their stator. Sorry if my phraseology was confusing. I am a diesel mechanic with 35 years experience, so I know what is a stator and what is a rotor. English is a second language for me and I am sorry if I did not express myself clearly.

Howard Johnson used wood and aluminum as basic ingredients along neos, ceramics and flexible magnets in the Stonehenge motor. The aluminum disk used by Mylow might be just the ingredient needed to do away with the complex magnet arrangement used by the defunct HJ as it may induce currents that creates a magnetic harmonization of the fields involved in his rotor. Horseshoe magnets are something special that more people should be familiar with.

Take care all,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 04:31:25 AM
G'day all,

As most of you know I have always been suspicious of the Mylow device. The attempt at replication that did impress me was the Queue replication. There is definite movement there from cluster to cluster.

Having said this, I strongly suspect there will be problems as he attempts to close the circle as it were.

Perhaps there is a way around it. I propose to split the system in two and have them operate in tandem. Below is an illustration of what I mean.

I have drawn the two disks side by side, though in a real motor they would probably sit on the same shaft one above the other.

Something to think about perhaps.

Hans von Lieven

I think that is very ingenious.

Congratulations.

Indeed one could extend the idea to multiple disks. Then each of the disks which was away from its gap would only have to contribute a small amount to the gapped disc to get it past its sticking point.

Ideally all the discs would be on the same shaft and well separated so as to prevent magnetic interaction between discs. But so what if we finish up with the proverbial ten foot pole. The first job is to illustrate a point of principle, i.e, that one can get continuous rotary motion out of a lot of magnets. Bells and whistles can come later.

Edit: I'm glad to see you approve of my suggestion of multiple disks and have modified your post accordingly.  ;).
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 08:21:27 AM
Of course, gap reinforcement with multiple disks will only work if single row magnet interaction with the stator actually results in an energy gain. This could be proved very simply with a row of seven magnets, say, mounted on a pendulum and swung past a horseshoe stator situated at 6 o'clock. If the rise is more than the rise of a control with non magnetic dummies replacing the magnets then there is an energy gain.

The pendulum would have to be stiff in the lateral direction to keep the stator close to the north poles of the rotor magnet array.

Didn't someone mention an experiment along these lines where they did get a positive result?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on April 06, 2009, 08:50:52 AM
@Grimer,   This is about pendulums and magnets, i didnt check it all out  http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 06, 2009, 09:27:30 AM
@Grimer,   This is about pendulums and magnets, i didnt check it all out  http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html

Thanks very much. When I went to save the file I found I already had it. ::)
Unfortunately he points out the flaw in his reasoning so it is not the proof we need.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 06, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
My thoughts on the replications as good as they are, is that they might be to precise. Mylow does not seem to be that type of guy.

From one of his video's looking at the sets before he gets it going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page


To me these rotors do not look precisely spaced.

his set of 4 rotors almost look like they have a slight arc inwards compared to the disc.

The other thing I am wondering about is could Mylow be tuning his gaps slightly with each set of rotors he adds to sync up to the wave he has shown. If you measured out your gaps and placed your magnets on a wheel. I am thinking you could end up being out of phase on more sets then you have in with the stator. So having more out of phase would give you a cancellation effect over your disc. Having more set in would give you a re-enforcing effect over your disc to cause it to spin. (64 million dollar question)

Wave vid if your one of the few who has not seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2VX89gJcbU&feature=channel_page

I am guessing the entry and exit magnet would be the most critical. half a millimeter left, right, in, out or slightly twisted on each of them would change were the wave is when you entered or exited a set ( again that's a question not a statement)



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: mscoffman on April 06, 2009, 06:33:53 PM

If any replicator finds this stator magnet temperature decrease reported by Mylow,
could he please post a statement to that effect. I've been reading up on Gladolium
metal alloy magnetic refrigeration, the official version, which happens at a much higher
magnetization levels of about 2.0Tesla. Note that this standard method requires
bidirectional magnetic pulses. If this actually happens here then it means that the
rotor magnet spacing may be require to optimize magnetic cooling rather than just
rotor mechanical momentum acceleration.

Also, there is no guarantee that this presented motor design actually converts
temperature gradients into useful mechanical energy. It may just be happening,
and could be used to help power the motor. It is somewhat important not to listen
to those who think this temperature decrease is standard happenstance, especially
if it is of the magnitude reported by Mylow.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 06, 2009, 07:24:19 PM


Hi mscoffman,

There is a magnetic pulsing that occurs but it is low, about 10 Hz. Each magnets as they pass the horseshoe magnet on the stator gets 4 pulses per rpm. If indeed the motor turns at 140 rpm, that gives 560 pulses per minute, so divided by 60 and you get close to 10 Hz which is very close to the Earth frequency.

My Newman motor when it was running with the 24 segments commutator was showing a slight decrease in temperature (estimated at about 4-5 degree below ambiant) and it was running at 100 rpm. So 100 rpm times 24 gives 2400 pulses per minute and a frequency of 40 Hz.

It is possible that the decrease in temperature has been greater but I don't know where it is coming from.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nievesoliveras on April 06, 2009, 08:14:32 PM
@all

To anyone able to try it with his already done Howard Johnson - Mylou replication.

I suggest just to make an extra stator identical as your first one, then find the exact center and put a bolt not tightened completely through both pieces, put the original stator on its usual place and find with the other the exact spot that makes the rotor spin faster without stopping.

It is not complicated and inespensive to try.

Jesus
Title: Reciprocal Links
Post by: sterlinga on April 07, 2009, 05:19:07 AM
Hi Wattsup,

I've posted a link to this replications thread from http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Replications

How about editing your opening post to include a linke to our replications index so they can cross pollinate and supplement one another?

Keep up the good work.

Sterling
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 07, 2009, 07:36:01 AM
Reposted here from the main discussion thread at the request of Wattsup:

"What's really whipping my butt is why the fellow inventors don't explain why it is working, rather than all the reasons why it couldn't possibly be working."

OK, Mylow is bummed cuz no one is coming up with theories why his motor is working.  I'll make a
stab at it.  Of course my theory closely parallels HJ's theory.

I believe HJ's main theory is the corner vortices.  He calls these spin fields.  The main idea to stress is
that the spin fields UNDERLIE, are MASKED, and are HIDDEN by the normal B fields.  The normal B fields are conservative and any implementation of them just results in symmetry.  HJ himself says "symmetry doesn't  work".

Johnson described several gate systems in his book "Secret World of Magnets" and all of them involved canceling out, sinking out or nullifying the normal B fields, then using the remaining spin fields to do work.  You can think of these spin fields maybe something like the curled up dimensions
commonly described in superstring theory.  They don't extend very far but they are asymmetric.

In the Stonehenge motor pic attached below, it is seen that the tall channel magnets are fixed to large
permeability  plates.  The magnets are attached S side down so the permeability plate sinks out most
of the S generated B field.

At the top of the tall channel magnets,  the N generated B field is also sunk by using large permeability plate surrounding the rotor magnets.  Now all we have remaining are the N generated spin fields, the opposing S generated spin fields are down and out of the way.

Then we have the stator magnet being curved with chiseled ends to try and get the stator B fields out
of the way and maximize the spin fields on the chiseled ends.  Notice that Howard is holding the
stator magnet up near the N end of the channel magnets.  The idea behind the motor is to sink out
the symmetric and conservative B fields and unmask the asymmetric and nonconservative spin
fields.  This is why every rotor magnet on the gate is N facing.  Individual spacing is not that critical,
but just requires that the stator maintain momentum until encountering the next spin field.

My machinist and I built a test gate over the weekend and noticed that while there was always a
repulsion hill at the entrance to the gate, it didn't seem to matter whether we used 7 magnets or
18, the stator would propel merrily along to the end of the gate and then begin to coast with no
back attraction.

It could be fortuitous that Mylow's magnets were so weak as I believe he said that he had purchased
them some 20 yrs ago and they had been left in a drawer until now.  This possibly had the effect of
diminishing the B fields to the point they did not need permeability plates to demonstrate the effect.
Anyway, just a preliminary theory.  As  we all know, the devil lies in the details!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 07, 2009, 08:32:53 AM
Reposted here from the main discussion thread at the request of Wattsup:

@cloud camper. .
@Grimer
good info thanks guys :-) 

going to regap my stator to match rotor under stator ratio of Mylow.

my rotors are 9 mil width .. my preferred current stator is 32 mil- mouth wide .. so i figure my rotor gap might be better @ 6 or 7 mil ..

i ordered Mylow stators today - eta 4 to 7 days .. i think my rotor magnets are more powerful than his so i would guess my gap is bigger as a result..

If this thing can be replicated .. lets just do it  .
I found Sterling's latest post comments here quite encouraging ..

So Mylow ..
any help you feel like giving .. much appreciated :-)
i have not given up yet !
Lately there is not enough time in a day for my liking.
Burning the midnight oil as they say but i am having fun ..

Magnets are cool ! 
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 07, 2009, 03:06:50 PM
In my view, what the @LightRider (big thanks) graphs on the other thread show is exactly what the magnet can only do and that is react to a changing impulse coming from the attraction and repulsion and this develops a changing cadence that the natural magnetic environment is able to afford given their varying distances. A non symmetric disposition of magnets will produce a fluctuating rotation and that is all I can accept at this point.

But here is something else I have learned with my own wheel. Of course this applies to my testing with neos magnets having a massive 12lb pull but in general this should also apply to channel magnets.

Magnets are smart little buggers. They always have an answer to how they will react. I think they actually morph under varying circumstances because the N/S fields just intermix like too pools of water joining to make one bigger pool. Or they will change one polarity from each magnet that is stuck at that point to become a mutual blotch wall.

I was able to make a rotor set with a maximum of 8 magnets and still have the stator pass through it. So naturally one would surmise that if this 8 magnet set was repeated all around the wheel with spaces in between, each set would provide some positive propulsion and the wheel should turn. But no it does not. As soon as the circle of magnets is made, the individual sets of 8 lose something or put another way, it is as if the completed circle of segmented magnet sets now becomes ONE as if the whole circle becomes a magnetic toroid and the stator cannot find any forward position. The only way to solve this is to increase the space in between each set of 8 in order to break the magnetic loop. But then, the wheel circumference having a maximum limit means to increase inter-set spacing, you have to cut the number of total sets. You then get to a point that there is not enough sets and too much open spacing. I think Mylow, after many trials has come to the point that in his wheel, and given his particular rotor magnet strength, came up with the last 7/7 + 1/6 sets as his last trials. He screwed up. He should have left his wheel as is with the 3 set - 6 set.

WARNING: If you every have a fully rotating MylwoHJ Wheel........... DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING!

Noticed this also. As you add more and more rotors to a set, at one point the set changes (or morphs) and you get a center blotch wall developing with the field traveling out from the center in both directions. As if there is a limit to how far you can stretch a field by adding more and more magnets. This is probably because as you add magnets to a set, the whole field grows further outward from the first and last magnet further out into the no rotor zones. This stretches out the rotor sets unified field and by doing so this also stretches out the center blotch wall which is a very bad thing to have when making a Mylow Wheel.

Another thing I have noticed. Spacing between each rotor in a set should not be pre-calculated or deduced by looking at other wheels. Since the norths/souths are all placed the same way, bringing two rotors together will create a mutual repulsion. I have found that if you place the rotors close enough to feel the repulsion, then that is the distance you need between the rotors. For stronger rotors this distance will be greater then when using weaker rotors. By doing so you are creating with a set of rotors a type of linear catapult. That catapult energy is transferred to the wheels aluminum mass as inertia and it is this inertia that is turning the wheel strong enough to enter the next rotor set.

Based on this and on how Mylow managed to get his last video rotors so close together, I would say his rotors have a maximum of 1 to 2 lbs pull strength. With rotors that size, if they were 12 lb pull, he would never have been able to bring them that close and then glue them to their positions, and then hoping they would hold.

Look at HJ's Rotors. They are very big, must have alot of flux and imagine putting two norths that close together how much repulsion is being generated between them.

Well at least I am learning about magnets. There are things here that you will never realize if your were making a magnet wheel that is motor turned. You do not give the same amount of thought to such wheels as you have to with all magnet systems. lol

I read somewhere that HJ also used some flexible magnet material. Probably to make a crude magnetic shielding to try and cut the stickiest points.

Now that I have tested with neos and learned alot, I will make a solid aluminum wheel, order some rotor magnets and a few stator magnets. But the only real way we will learn more about this wheel is if the rotor magnets can be secured to the wheel without gluing so inter-spaces can be adjusted quickly to do many many tests. I can understand the hardship of gluing magnets only to have to take them off and re-glue then each time would be very difficult, tedious so I will try and make a special bracket/screw arrangement and have a special grooved edge on the wheel so I just loosen a screw to move a rotor in the groove and secure it again. That would be the ideal testing wheel for me.

So more testing and learning for me before I can see this thing clearly as it is.

PS: Regarding the MIB thing, I don't know if it is real or not, but if it was, I don't think they are worried about the wheel in itself, but the many things we will learn while making the wheel. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: slapper on April 07, 2009, 04:09:18 PM
Thank you cloud camper. I have been trying to figure out how to describe how Howard Johnson's theories relates to Mylow's motor. You have done it better than I can.

I've been playing around with the idea of perhaps placing some material behind one of the poles of the horse shoe u stator magnet to get a handle at tuning this thing. Pure speculation at this time.

Thanks again wattsup and thank you cloud camper.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 07, 2009, 06:01:53 PM

Magnets are smart little buggers. They always have an answer to how they will react. I think they actually morph under varying circumstances because the N/S fields just intermix like too pools of water joining to make one bigger pool. Or they will change one polarity from each magnet that is stuck at that point to become a mutual blotch wall.


Good observations .. i noticed very similar results when building the 3 6 set the first time. As i would add each new array segment to the rotors circle it would change the behavior of the whole loop group.. right back to the start position .. very frustrating and not NEW to me.

Building the Archer Quinn arrays it was exactly the same thing - the array would work one way up to a point and then change as i added magnets near the end to close the loop. In every mag array or smot that i ever constructed..  movement would slow down as the loop got near to close. It 's almost as if the magnets know what you are trying to do and react accordingly to stop you ..

Of course this is not in fact true but calling them smart little buggers certainly makes sense to me after having played extensively in their fields. While waiting for my new stator mags to arrive this week i am rebuilding the 3 six arrays to see if i can reproduce more accurately Mylows config with my mags .. 

Update from me soon ...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 07, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
"Building the Archer Quinn arrays it was exactly the same thing - the array would work one way up to a point and then change as i added magnets near the end to close the loop. In every mag array or smot that i ever constructed..  movement would slow down as the loop got near to close. It 's almost as if the magnets know what you are trying to do and react accordingly to stop you .."

This is just symmetry being displayed from the B fields.  It will be necessary to sink the B fields with
permeability plates to get them out of the way just like HJ did.  Any cogging or sticky spots indicate
that B fields are still in play.  The real movers are the vortical spin fields which are asymmetric.  The
spin fields do not have sticky spots.  Of course I haven't accomplished this quite yet myself ............

We know HJ's Stonehenge motor worked.  The USPTO refused a patent until they had a working
demonstrator.  Then he got his patent.  Why not try it the HJ way?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Fred Flintstone on April 07, 2009, 06:43:51 PM
@queue & @wattsup

If you can get a single segment of rotors to work...then instead of completing the circle, which changes the behavior of the group....complete the circle on a separate disk. In other words, if there are 6 sets of segments, you would need 6 separate disks stacked about 6" apart to a single axle and 6 separate stator mags. Obviously quite a bit of work. But, I actually think this is a moot point since I doubt a single segment even works. Have you ever got a single segment to start outside of the the stator, move into it and then exit without helping it along?

Fred
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 07, 2009, 07:41:51 PM
@queue & @wattsup

Have you ever got a single segment to start outside of the the stator, move into it and then exit without helping it along?

Fred

Check my AQ stuff .. in one the videos you will see the rotor is attracted into the stators field @ 10 oclock goes over the top of the wheel then breaks through the wall ( pull back zone )  out of the array at about 4 oclock..

Each end of this array sucks the rotor into the stator array while the opposite end wants to pull the rotor back  preventing it from leaving.

There are magnets on only one end of the rotor .. the other is just a empty copper pipe stuck o the end to balance out the other
copper pipe holding the mag rotor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjwK2WeLzWQ

Cheers
Queue

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on April 07, 2009, 08:10:55 PM
Again this is a game of placement of magnets. I see folks just trying to copy it without basic understanding of magnets.

 The spacing between magnets needs to be done to the stator magnet. It also is such the height of the stator would in hypothesis  be a part of this.

 The horse shoe magnet has two poles. Each C magnet has two poles.  The spacing has to be set to were the stator interact with the rotor at the proper time.  My advice to see if this can even work is to play with the rotor spacing to get the best acceleration to a run. Of course spacing to the stator and height of the stator would also need to be done.  Such is the spacing would have to be set to the magnets in use. Not some set distance.

 Simple put if an arrangement can not be done to create enough acceleration, well that is the problem.

 Folks think that by using his measurements with out knowing the strength and field of his C magnets are delusional.  Again it it a game of push pull and making sure it does not balance. 

 No it should be evident that the spacing in between is also of consideration.  Since these are magnets, short of some how making the currents in the disk arrange in a homopolar motor effect, it just basic magnets, push pull.

 If such is real it may even be the induced currents in the plate are aiding this. Again it would be a critical timing game if such is involved.

 Again I am not saying it is real, or fake. Just looking at the possibility, and what could be going on with out all the fancy explanations. As my step dad always said, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 07, 2009, 10:41:35 PM
LC, it doesn't matter what magnets or spacings are used.  As long as we are dealing with B fields, any configuration of any size will
find a position of symmetry and lock up.  This is why magnet motors don't work and is what Howard was trying to tell us.  His whole thrust was to kill the B fields completely, thereby unmasking or exposing the corner vortical spin fields.  The spin fields are assymmetric and nonconservative.  This is why HJ never alternated magnet polarity, always using the same poles to utilize the spin fields.  Look at the close spacing on his Stonehenge motor.  This would never work using any common gate technique.  The spin fields are very short range and create a unidirectional pull around the rotor without sticky spots, once the useless B fields are sunk out of the way.  Think of the B fields as just unwanted noise that must be filtered out.

Milows motor works because his rotor magnets are so incredibly weak, exposing the spin fields without using permeability plates.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 08, 2009, 12:53:41 AM
I had posted this in the wrong thread - sorry guys.

@queue

If you are seeing the same thing as me then we are on the right track, or loop.

What is puzzling is that @cloud camper posted saying HJ says symmetry does not work also. I discovered this myself and am very pleased to have read it coming from HJ. But the puzzlement is still there when you look at the picture of HJs device. Geez it looks pretty symmetric. So maybe symmetric in too close proximity does not work. His wheel has four segments with spacing in between but one would  expect much more spacing given the size of his rotors. So for sure his flexible magnet material is required to cut off the ends and permit a more compact design.

Also, you see the way he needs two hand to hold that fat sucker of a stator. I wonder how many times he banged his hands against a turning rotor. OUCH. Must hurt.

Yep I will order my rotors tonight when I get back home from the office.

@Fred Flintstone

Actually that's not a bad idea. But I would think it better to just cut one wheel in six and place them on six levels so you don't have to turn more disk mass for only 1/6th rotor segments. The only thing that haunts me about the idea is what if you go through all that trouble and the six segments still manage to make one field. Now how smart would the magnets be then. lol

Say hi to Wilma. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on April 08, 2009, 01:17:10 AM
@ que, I wood liken 2 straitn 1 thing out, as i am buldn myself. ur mags r imperial? no? or are they metric,thanx
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 08, 2009, 01:25:13 AM
Actually I never thought of magnets in this way but we could consider them also as being applied in series or in parallel. The MylowHJ and HJ wheels have magnets in parallel whereas a rotor with alternating polarity magnets would be in series. The parallel placement would reinforce each polarity for strength, whereas the series placement would favor overall speed.

Anyways now that I know the magnet does not perform in a loop, the question is finding non loop configurations that can produce enough spin to reach the next segment. I think this is what they don,t want us to realize. Holy cow. lol

So think of this about a magnet. We know that the north polarity exits one end and enters the center blotch while the south polarity exits the blotch and enters the other polarity end.

Now when you put two magnets in parallel where they are held apart by their mutual repulsion, so how does the north field know which magnet it exited from to then re-enter the same magnets blotch field. Could it be that this is the "magnetic confusion" that creates the vortexes when placed in parallel.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 08, 2009, 05:26:04 AM
@ que, I wood liken 2 straitn 1 thing out, as i am buldn myself. ur mags r imperial? no? or are they metric,thanx

Rotors i am using ..

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vince on April 08, 2009, 05:34:50 AM
I've been playing around with this thing since the first posting.  After trying all the materials that Mylow used ( aluminum disc, horseshoe magnets and different rotor magnets ) and getting poor results I tried some very plain items and gotten as good if not better results than I did using all the proper items that Mylow used.

Steel rotor (bicycle wheel).
Plain low strength ceramic magnets (Disc kind )
Two strong ceramic magnets (rectangular)
Paper clips

By taping the ceramic magnets to the paper clips I can position them anywhere on the wheel.

First of all you don't need the horseshoe magnet. Facing a north pole and a south pole to the rotor works just as well.
What I found was that clustering them in groups of 3 or 4 then a space it would easily pull itself around on it's own (PROVIDING YOU DON'T CLOSE THE LOOP)., all the way to over 300 degrees of rotation.  As soon as you close the loop it meets resistance at the beginning of the loop.  Ive been trying all kinds of combination and can almost get it to go a full one and a half times around on its own but it always looses momentum and finds a resistance point. 

Mylow may have stumbled on to the right combination with his magnets. It seems that spacing has everything to do with success. By getting just the right space between each cluster you can increase the momentum  greatly and get the rotor to pull thru past the next cluster.

I would have posted a video but there really isn"t that much to see. After seeing the way this thing pulls itself around I really do think Mylo may have got just the right combination.

I'll keep playing with the positioning. Got to have a positive attitude with these things!!

Vince

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vince on April 08, 2009, 05:41:15 AM
Sorry about that. Forgot to unzip the file. This should work.

Vince
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 08, 2009, 05:59:13 AM


 As soon as you close the loop it meets resistance at the beginning of the loop.  Ive been trying all kinds of combination and can almost get it to go a full one and a half times around on its own but it always looses momentum and finds a resistance point. 



Say what? If you are getting more then one full turn before it stops then please please post a video  ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vince on April 08, 2009, 06:11:13 AM
Thats only when the loop is open and it coasts to the first cluster .  For some reason it does not want to start the sequence again and finds a sticky point.  I post a video if I can get it to actually start again, otherwise there really is nothing to see.

Vince
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 08, 2009, 08:37:32 AM

Hi vince,

Try using fridge magnets, the rubber type to ease the entry or exit of a magnet bank. I think HJ used those on his Stonehenge motor made of wood and with a center rotor. I have seen a video on Youtube last year where the entry of a magnetic gate used this type to cancel the forcefull entry of the magnetic projectile.

You can affect one pole of a horseshoe magnet by placing a small neodymium  inside or outside the arch, depending which you want to cancel out.

Take care,

Michel



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on April 08, 2009, 06:15:16 PM

By taping the ceramic magnets to the paper clips I can position them anywhere on the wheel.

First of all you don't need the horseshoe magnet. Facing a north pole and a south pole to the rotor works just as well.
What I found was that clustering them in groups of 3 or 4 then a space it would easily pull itself around on it's own (PROVIDING YOU DON'T CLOSE THE LOOP)., all the way to over 300 degrees of rotation. 


Well, I must say, you have a proper system to experiment with here. Congrats !.
What people do is, they set up everything in cement, don't leave any scope of adjustments and variations, and when that fixed setup fails to work, they declare it a failure and give up forever.
Imagine the thousands of possibilities where it can fail and there is only one or may be a few variations that can succeed.

So, go ahead and EXPERIMENT. And my sincere advice is - try tilting the wheel a bit, let the gravity assist. The wall can be overcome either by gravity or by inertia, something is needed to break the equilibrium.

A perfectly balanced wheel will remain perfectly still...... so your observation is correct, when you close the loop, there is a perfect equilibrium and the wheel will come to rest when disturbed.

You may get it going a few turns by assisting it with gravity or inertia or may be a small pulse, but it can again stop... no problems, just feed some energy back which you got from those few rotations.

Remember, Mylow's rig was tilted initially, he had to balance the table which he admitted in a video and had shown it with a spirit level, and after that video he could not produce the effect..... Well who knows.... :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on April 08, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
The only thing different in all of this is his video showing his stator magnet in the iron fillings folks. It would have to be the key in this. Everything else is the same we have all seen before.
Does any one disagree with this?

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 08, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
What needs to be different here is to get rid of the USELESS B fields. Push and pull do not cut it, never did and never will.  What worked for HJ was the short range vortical spin fields that remain after the
push and pull B fields are eliminated.  This is why HJ had a Patented and Working PMM.  Push and pull just mean symmetry in action.  Push and pull B fields only work with electromagnets where the field can be turned on and off.  What worked for HJ was to sink out the B fields using heavy permeability plates
exposing the vortical spin fields.  Also, he used long channel magnets with SHARP corners to separate the N and S poles.

I like all the steel in Vinces design but don't see any separation between the N and S poles.  This means
the vortical spin fields will be fighting each other and cancel out.  We need lots of steel, lots of separation
between the N and S poles, and sharp corners on the rotor magnets to maximize the spin fields.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 08, 2009, 07:15:15 PM
Waiting for my Mylow stator mags to arrive i have reconfigured my disk to play with the original config ..
i have been moving the 4/3 section around a bit trying to get some rotation going ..

Still no luck with this config .. despite many hours of play.

Mylow if you're reading .. any ideas ? ?
Rotor spacing = 6 mill.

Heres a closeup of the 4/3 section on the disk ..

Cheers
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 08, 2009, 07:16:49 PM
View of the whole disk ..

Cheers
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Chase212327 on April 08, 2009, 10:37:01 PM
Here's the Relative Sizing and Spacing info that I developed and posted earlier (on the other thread from hell).

I think this is the best place to start for someone trying to replicate Mylow's first Running Motor.

Be sure your magnets are closely matched and spaced to these Relative measurements.  If you have magnets that fall far outside this Relative design, I believe you are outside of Mylow's margins, and embarking on something new, instead of attempting a true Mylow Running Motor replication attempt.

Chase212327
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: moonreft on April 09, 2009, 05:13:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHm2BcSbC0

&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXymR7kTlU

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 09, 2009, 05:28:05 PM

Here is the latest information on Mylow...if trure we should all be careful.

http://innersites.com/feet2fire/archives2009/media/twife.090405-low.mp3

Regards...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 09, 2009, 05:30:24 PM
@vince

Nice build. I like the paper clip idea and will try it also.

@all

It's good to have your systems migrated here from the other thread.

I am putting in two photos of my current wheel using the Pizza Pan. I used neos on top and bottom or neos just on top with hex bolts on the bottom to hold the mags in place. Works great and changing configurations is a breeze. Except when I hit my stator on them and they all fly off. lol

Anyways, this has taught me alot about the magnets since I cannot rely on the wheel mass as a major point of momentum, the fields using neos are very strong with very rapid accelleration but even then the sticky spot is so strong it is like a wall, even when I put a good distance between sets.

Last night I have been working in the open space between sets on various configurations, adding magnets is many ways to push the first magnets field of the second set away from the stator. I used a good sized piece of laminated transformer core with two round alnico magnets on the end and this worked the best and the stator was able to travel through the open spot but land too slowly in the second, so there is some possibility but I have to work more at it.

There are several threads on the subject of cancelling the sticky spot on the forum but we always run into the same problems. The field is all over. I have seen some Utubes on one guy that uses tin sheeting, etc., I purchased some flexible magnetic sheets and will try some, but I doubt it will work. I think the best way will be to use other other magnets to work against the sticky spot. Also, I have used some lamintated transformer core material that is giving not bad results. I guess it is simply sucking the field through the laminates, weakening it enough to be effected by my two alnico round magnets.

Today I will meet wit my metal shop friend and plan my aluminum wheel. Once I have the wheel I will be able to do the same neo mag tests as I did with this light pizza pan and compare the importance of having added momentum. This will be a good comparison, while I order my rotors.

When I get my rotors, all this sticky spot trials is supposed to be irrelevant, but still, nice to learn about. I am taking this one step at a time because I want to learn the maximum under varying conditions.

@cloud camper

You talked a few times about cancelling the B-field. But HOW? Do you know something we don't.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 09, 2009, 06:13:19 PM
Wow, I'll call him Bob Utah. He really made a nice build.

I don't know if sticking the rotors to the wheel with a glue gun can play against the effect or not, since the glue is pretty thick and may act as an isolator. Hmmmmmm.

Also, the rotors as shown are not identical to Mylows with the channel very small. This is why I have been "telling" abou tthe rotor and mainly also it lifting capacity to have some idea on Mylows. That information has not been given thus far and in my view is the only real reason I have been holding back on deciding which ones to order. I guess 1 to 2 lbs pull.

Sterling should have asked what the pull spec is on Bob's rotors.

Also, there is nothing that says the stator has to be in that particular position since if the rotor specs and field are not identical, maybe it is better for Bob to take the stator in hand and do some exploratory positions. But I am sure he did that already. I hope.

Well, one would expect that with such a fine build, that wheel should be turning, but something is not right. Yes the stator is wider then Mylows but again, there should be some better effect then what we have seen.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 09, 2009, 07:30:35 PM
Hi wattsup,

Quote
I purchased some flexible magnetic sheets and will try some, but I doubt it will work.

When you get it, put your viewing film over it and you will see alternating strips of N-S-N-S etc... You use that film to mark and cut strips so you will get N on one side and S on the other side lengths. Using it as it come wont do.

Quote
Last night I have been working in the open space between sets on various configurations, adding magnets is many ways to push the first magnets field of the second set away from the stator. I used a good sized piece of laminated transformer core with two round Alnico magnets on the end and this worked the best and the stator was able to travel through the open spot but land too slowly in the second, so there is some possibility but I have to work more at it.

This is where the rubber magnet will come handy, you can glue a strip on the entry side with hot glue or other means and using the polarity needed to deflect or short out the unwanted sticky spot. I tried it last night on a round multi polarity used in floppy drives and it changed the whole aspect of the field. You can shape your fields easily that way.

If you would use the small "U" magnet on the periphery, I would then use very small neos inside or outside the "U" and see how the field change. The viewing film is not the holy grail but it does a fair approximation of the field size and strength. Too bad Gauss meters are so expensive.

Using Alnico or ceramic magnets to shape a field may be helped with cutting them at an angle or rounding off a side or sides like HJ did. You would need a water cooled ceramic tile cutter, if the magnet heats up too much you have to re magnetize them with a powerful magnetizer unit. Alnico 1, 2, 3 need 4,000 amp/turn/in  - Alnico 5, 6 need 6,000 amp/turn/in - Alnico 8, 9 need 10,000 amp/turn/in and ceramic 20,000 amp/turn/in. So definitely a professional unit*.

Take care,

Michel

Edit: A powerfull can crusher could also be used.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 09, 2009, 07:39:07 PM


I should get about 27 lb of ceramic 8 magnets tonight and will do some more tests tomorrow or over the weekend.

I'll try to post some pictures of shaped fields.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jimcreeper on April 09, 2009, 08:05:34 PM
@queue

Your replication looks great! Good work.

Tausenti
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 09, 2009, 08:06:35 PM


Hi all,

Just did 2 pictures of the floppy round magnet with alternating fields all around.

The first picture is the unmodded fields and the second a strip of flexible magnetic strip applied inside the center along the periphery. Keep a strip handy to reset your viewing film by passing it over.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: neptune on April 09, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
To those constructors having problems with rotor magnets flying off the disc. Why not add  some form of raised rim to the disc to back up the magnets. This could be thin plywood or plastic.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on April 09, 2009, 09:31:55 PM
@Michel:
How do you take such pictures?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 09, 2009, 09:54:55 PM
I ripped a magnet out of an old hard drive for a stator. It's curved and has a north south.at the ends. My best pattern so far seems to be.

a 3 - 2 then a 3 - 2 - 1 and then it repeats

S stands for a space and R for rotor.

R S R S R S S R S R S S R S S S R S R S R S S R S R S S S  pattern repeats


I mentions it cause there is a lot of odd numbers. Mylow had a lot of 3 rotors sets and 7 rotor sets on his wheels and closed off with an even number don't know if it means much. one last thing the hard drive magnet is a bit strange. by holding it and just changing the angle slightly there were a couple of times the wheel wanted to try and rotate in the other direction.(not flipping north south but by just changing the angle) Stator position and angles seemed to be important for me in the way it exited and enter the gate. Some form of adjustable stand for your stator might be worth the effort.

Someone else might need to confirm this my wheel is slightly warped. What seem to work best in working out my pattern was starting the wheel in the middle or a set or 2 before the middle in what ever rotors I had around the edge. It like the ends balance each other  and I could see a bit more clearly the effect of the pattern I chose. When I started it at the ends it looked like the pattern was a dud as I was building it till it started to get more than halfway around the disc. building a pattern from starting it at the ends all the time seemed to cause the wheel to slow down with the more magnets I added. When I worked from the middle( or a set or 2 before the middle) in finding my patterns adding more magnets did not seem to cause the slow down.

 :o :)


 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 09, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Hi everyone,

I do not want to sound negative but all I read and saw from people working on a Permanent Magnet Motor, in this thread or the others, are replication of designs that would not work or would work with limited power or duration. I have looked at rendering from many using sophisticated software like Vizimag, HFSS or other, and they don't seems to cut it basically because the software engineers or the reference works they use to code are WRONG for a PMM. They work for regular brute force motor or alternator which will never attain very low power for a high efficiency output.

WHY? That is what I will try to explain with my crude knowledge of magnets.

First the model of a magnet we use is wrong. A magnet does not have one field at one pole and another at the opposite pole and that is the model used for software as we have it now.

Second, very few persons know the work of Howard Johnson, much less understand it and no one applies it. Howard Johnson is "The Master" and understanding and applying the knowledge he gracefully gave us is "The Holy Grail" for PMMs. The other person who independently did conceived and wrote about, although his model is slighty wrong, is Joseph Newman but all he has shown us I have read about in early century books and magazines. But he was on the right way.

Let me summarize what he told us:

1- A magnet is composed of 2 poles, a South and a North pole.
2- Each pole emits 2 vortexes. A "South Pole"* vortex and a "North Pole"* vortex.
3- Each vortex of a common pole have a different strength.
4- The return path of magnetic vortexes in a magnet is situated roughly at the center of the magnet, not at the opposite end.
5- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the North pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 80, so we have a effective and shown North predominance.
6- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the South pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 120, so we have an effective and shown South predominance.

That is basically what Howard Johnson and another fellow, which I don't recall the name, measured with precision using state of the art instrumentation in I think 1957. Since then, with the blessing of the Academics and Regulatory brains, that knowledge has been buried and mostly forbidden in its use for academic teaching. That was 52 years ago and it is still under a load of denial.


That is all for now as I have to go rest my back.

Read and reread Howard Johnson's book “The Secret World of Magnets” until you understand this then start applying his knowledge to your Permanent Magnet Work.

Part Two will be on how to manipulate those vortexes to your advantage and get a greater chance of succeeding in your build of a Permanent Magnetic Motor. It can also be used to amplify the potential of anything involving magnets.

Take care all,

Michel


* Those vortexes are composed of CW spin particles and CCW spin particles. Which is which is not of much value here, those who want to get deeper in the subject should read “The Secret World of Magnets”.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 09, 2009, 10:21:45 PM

Hi robbie47,

I have a 6" X 6" magnetic viewing film and an old HP Photosmart camera with fix lens 2.1 mega pixels that does not do macro  :'(. I crop in Gimp to cut out the unneeded part.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 09, 2009, 10:57:52 PM
@Michelinho

Can you post a picture of just the magnet without the paper so we can have an idea on what it really looks like. Thanks for the in.

I am posting a drawing on what I will give to my friend that has a metal shop, to see if he can make a groove on the inside of the wheel rim. This type of set-up would enable me to play with the magnets just by loosening the each rotor bottom bolt and sliding the magnets to their new positions.

Added: I just saw you rlast post and will read it when I get back home from the office. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on April 09, 2009, 11:09:56 PM
I have a 6" X 6" magnetic viewing film and an old HP Photosmart camera with fix lens 2.1 mega pixels that does not do macro  :'(. I crop in Gimp to cut out the unneeded part.

Thanks Michel.
I'll have a look on the internet where to buy this magnetic viewing film. Pretty handy film. I was not aware of it's existance.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Kator01 on April 10, 2009, 12:28:49 AM
Hi robbie47,

please have a look here :

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/ (http://www.nanomagnetics.us/)   and

see what this screen-material can do ( first link on the right side : Magnetic Singularity using the Flux Resonatorâ„¢) :

http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702 (http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702)


Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 10, 2009, 01:12:12 AM

Hi wattsup,
 
Here is the picture of the floppy ring magnet with the strip of flexible magnet above and a AAA battery for size.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 10, 2009, 02:08:31 AM
@wattsup

All these designs so far have enough B field to lift an M1A1.  We're not trying to lift tanks, just spin a wheel like HJ did.  If we believe Mylow's latest reports, the motor worked up  to the point the rotor magnets wouldn't even attract iron filings.  This says that B fields are not doing the work - it's something else. 

The "else" are the short range assymetrical vortical spin fields that underlie, are hidden by and are masked by the powerful and symmetrical B fields that DO NO WORK.  This is why HJ used heavy permeability plates (steel or iron of some sort) to contain the B fields.  Then he used tall channel magnets to separate the N and S poles so the vortical spin fields surrounding each pole are not fighting each other, then used only the N pole generated spin fields to power the device.

If you believe HJ (and he has a WORKING and PATENTED pmm), the short range vortical and assymetric spin fields are a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MAGNETIC REACTION than the normal long range and symmetrical push pull B fields we are all familiar with.

So ideally we need taller channel magnets from those that Mylow used.  HJ's device was reportedly (by Al Witherspoon) to be about 24 inches in dia so by roughly scaling the picture are probably 6" tall.  Then he used thick steel or iron permeability plates on the back side of the channel magnets (and maybe even some between - hard to tell from the pic) to suck up the B fields.

In Mylows Ruler Measurement video, he displayed two of the rotor channel magnets on a piece of
paper within 3/4" of each other with no attraction/reaction whatsoever.  This shows that his magnets
were extremely weak to start with and now they are totally dead.  So anything more than a 1 lb pull
is probably way too much.  Even a 1 lb pull magnet will probably require permeability plates.

Sticky spots=B fields=non working motor.  >:(
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: infringer on April 10, 2009, 05:15:15 AM


Let me summarize what he told us:

1- A magnet is composed of 2 poles, a South and a North pole.
2- Each pole emits 2 vortexes. A "South Pole"* vortex and a "North Pole"* vortex.
3- Each vortex of a common pole have a different strength.
4- The return path of magnetic vortexes in a magnet is situated roughly at the center of the magnet, not at the opposite end.
5- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the North pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 80, so we have a effective and shown North predominance.
6- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the South pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 120, so we have an effective and shown South predominance.

That is basically what Howard Johnson and another fellow, which I don't recall the name, measured with precision using state of the art instrumentation in I think 1957. Since then, with the blessing of the Academics and Regulatory brains, that knowledge has been buried and mostly forbidden in its use for academic teaching. That was 52 years ago and it is still under a load of denial.


That is all for now as I have to go rest my back.

Read and reread Howard Johnson's book “The Secret World of Magnets” until you understand this then start applying his knowledge to your Permanent Magnet Work.

Part Two will be on how to manipulate those vortexes to your advantage and get a greater chance of succeeding in your build of a Permanent Magnetic Motor. It can also be used to amplify the potential of anything involving magnets.

Take care all,

Michel


* Those vortexes are composed of CW spin particles and CCW spin particles. Which is which is not of much value here, those who want to get deeper in the subject should read “The Secret World of Magnets”.

Has anyone ever tried to shield the center of a bar magnet all the way around it?

Or could this be why the center portion is cut out to make the arch of the magnetic flux abnormal?

Would not having the magnets themselves symmetrical within there flux patter allow for a symmetrical placement on the rotor?

Just thinking out loud here at questions I ask myself...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
@ ALL !! , there are BUCKET loads of Chinese magnet manufactures that will go to great legnths to make you ANY magnet, out of any material, to any stregnth, it's like "pick your poison", do some research made-in-china.com for one, send some inquiries with pics and dims, the Chinese people are very polite and promt.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on April 10, 2009, 05:59:33 AM
please have a look here :

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/ (http://www.nanomagnetics.us/)   and
see what this screen-material can do ( first link on the right side : Magnetic Singularity using the Flux Resonatorâ„¢) :
http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702 (http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702)

Kator01

Thanks Kator. Amazing stuff.  I wonder how linear this detection material is.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 10, 2009, 06:10:26 AM

Hi Infringer,

Quote
Has anyone ever tried to shield the center of a bar magnet all the way around it?

Or could this be why the center portion is cut out to make the arch of the magnetic flux abnormal?

Would not having the magnets themselves symmetrical within there flux patter allow for a symmetrical placement on the rotor?

Just thinking out loud here at questions I ask myself...

A magnet as you probably found out is a self healing piece of hardware, if you could block the center completely without any way for it to go around, it would simply make new poles like if you cut a magnet in 2, 4, 8 or 11 pieces, you get that many more small magnets. I have a few ceramic magnets that were overpowered by some neodymium magnet stuck to it, they now show many unwanted poles.

Cut my left arm and it wont make 2 mini Me...   ;D

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 10, 2009, 06:13:34 AM

Hi X00013,

Quote
@ ALL !! , there are BUCKET loads of Chinese magnet manufactures that will go to great legnths to make you ANY magnet, out of any material, to any stregnth, it's like "pick your poison", do some research made-in-china.com for one, send some inquiries with pics and dims, the Chinese people are very polite and promt.

I would love to do that but the shape I would want, half moon like Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor would never make it through custom. Try to order some and you will be put on a watch list.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on April 10, 2009, 06:20:22 AM
Hi X00013,

I would love to do that but the shape I would want, half moon like Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor would never make it through custom. Try to order some and you will be put on a watch list.

Take care,

Michel



I cant agree with you, 95% of magnets in us are imported.  Your talkn nonsense.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 10, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
Some good posts, thanks.

Here is a hunch and a few more coming once I get some more round alnico magnets for my tests that will help make some easy advancing in testing for standard "Mylow wheellers".

We know horseshoe magnets last longer if there is a keeper.

Well why not try a "keeper ring" that would be a thin iron ring about the diameter of a 12 awg wire as shown below. Either one ring going over all the rotors top north as shown.

Or...........smaller lengths going from the last rotor of a set to the first of the next set (rotors 6 to1 or 7 to 1) and by doing so this will change the flux path between these two stickiest spots. The keepers could be round of flat.

Also if you use small lengths of let's say flat iron strips (like the metal straps used to secure pallets or other shipping stuff, going from 6-1, stuck to the top of rotors, then find a round alnico magnet and stick it to the center of the bar with north up. This will act as a magnetic bias on the piece or iron to repolarize it with north up. The iron homogenizes rotors 6 and 1 and the magnet repolarizes. Try one iron piece between two sets then see how it goes with the stator, if good, then try a second, then a third. If three work and four do not, then put them in packs of three and worry about those points after.

Anyways, yo guys get the idea on how to do variations, this is just one way of playing with the wheel. I need some more round alnico's.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: maw2432 on April 10, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
I believe Mylow's motor was working because it was using a little gravity assistance until someone pointed out that his dresser/table was not level in video 34.   In video 37 he then claims he leveled the dresser/table.  This to me says it was not level in all the other videos.    All my replication tests were done on a level pool table.   I finially gave up and removed all my magnets from my clock wheel.  Question,  how significant is it if Mylow's wheel was really not level and somewhat unbalanced?   Has anyone tried a little gravity assistance?   Maybe this is the key to why his first worked. 

Photo of my replication that I later took apart.

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 10, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
@maw2432

I don't think gravity has anything to do with it. If gravity had somethig to do, it would also have an equal something to do against which would canel out any potential gains.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 10, 2009, 04:55:14 PM
@ X00013

So you never heard of "Project Echelon".

@ maw2432,

Nice wheel. Are your dice loaded?  ::)

Hi wattsup,

I like the small metal strip idea as it would probably weaken the field or bend it so the entry is smoother but it will also weaken the exit push so longer grouping of "C" pusher magnet might be needed. Try different positioning in the inside of the C and even in the bottom  perpendicular to the platter. Round or flat may give slightly different results.

I'll try to set up a jig to take more pictures of manipulated magnetic fields, got a few of my grand kids home for Easter Weekend so that may slow things down a bit.

Take care,

Michel

P.S.: Got the magnets last night,  the motor generator that is in the making will have a 6.125" diameter and will have 8  6" X 2" X 0.500" that weight a little more than 1 lb each. The electronic module we will try has 2 output one gives positive square waves and the other fills in with high frequency pulses during the same time as the first pulse. If I can couple the hall effect board, that should give lots of BEMF. It comes from a medical air breather assist unit. The fan was noisy so they installed a newer motor with controller board but the electrical circuit was still in perfect condition in both. The controler monitors speed and regulates it according to the set input setting.
 
Edit: Try on the side of the exit/entry rotor magnets also.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 10, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
Hi all,

In part two I will try to explain how you can pull in one vortex at the pole of a magnet while the same action does push in the opposite direction creating a vortex that is easy to get into and that has a repulsing effect with a lot more bang for free.

If you do the same to the rotor magnet, you can get away with the "U" magnet and the rapid demagnetization. I have first try to get pictures done to illustrate although the viewing film my not be adequate for the job as it contains very fine iron particles that mess with the fields. If not, I'll do a few drawings. That is when I am off the painkillers.

One picture and one document from Howard Johnson's work from the Cheniere's site:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm (http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm)
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/howardjohnson/index.html (http://www.cheniere.org/misc/howardjohnson/index.html)

Take care,

Michel

P.S.: Those who saw and understood the previous pictures will already know what I mean by sucking in one vortex or a complete pole with the aid of a shaped weaker magnet just like Howard Johnson did.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 11, 2009, 03:14:40 AM
I ripped a magnet out of an old hard drive for a stator. It's curved and has a north south.at the ends. My best pattern so far seems to be.

a 3 - 2 then a 3 - 2 - 1 and then it repeats

S stands for a space and R for rotor.

R S R S R S S R S R S S R S S S R S R S R S S R S R S S S  pattern repeats


I mentions it cause there is a lot of odd numbers. Mylow had a lot of 3 rotors sets and 7 rotor sets on his wheels and closed off with an even number don't know if it means much. one last thing the hard drive magnet is a bit strange. by holding it and just changing the angle slightly there were a couple of times the wheel wanted to try and rotate in the other direction.(not flipping north south but by just changing the angle) Stator position and angles seemed to be important for me in the way it exited and enter the gate. Some form of adjustable stand for your stator might be worth the effort.

Someone else might need to confirm this my wheel is slightly warped. What seem to work best in working out my pattern was starting the wheel in the middle or a set or 2 before the middle in what ever rotors I had around the edge. It like the ends balance each other  and I could see a bit more clearly the effect of the pattern I chose. When I started it at the ends it looked like the pattern was a dud as I was building it till it started to get more than halfway around the disc. building a pattern from starting it at the ends all the time seemed to cause the wheel to slow down with the more magnets I added. When I worked from the middle( or a set or 2 before the middle) in finding my patterns adding more magnets did not seem to cause the slow down.

 :o :)


 


Change for a better wheel (less wobble) and things are not the same scrath what I said about the patterns  ???
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 11, 2009, 05:15:43 AM
Still have a few things i wanted to test before i give it up and rake the yard  .. but i came across this config today ..
So far none of the original Mylow array configs i have tested have worked for my mags or my rig.

Today i tried a rotor array that seemed to work out pretty well. On the disk in the vid there are 2 different test arrays
but check out the one with 16 mags in it..
Interesting .. it's swings ..

i plan to test a disk with this rotor config continued around 16.3 or maybe 16.4
If this thing does work it's probably different for each set of stator-rotor mags one might use.

You tube is here ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ

Cheers
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 11, 2009, 05:37:37 AM

Hi Queue,

Congrats, you have just found the proper spacing of the rotor magnets for your stator magnet width. Put a narrower stator magnet and 16.4 will react like the one you have on the less effective grouping.  ;)

You might still get rapid demagnetization if it is working in repulsive mode though.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 11, 2009, 06:08:02 AM
@Queue,

We provide just enough energy to rotate the disk a few degrees. As yours shows, it rotates over half way.

Why can't folks understand what this means?

BTW: Excellent work. I'm seeing the same. Please don't try closing the magnetic rotor loop. What I found is when that is done there is at least one place where the polarity flips 180 deg. even though the magnet's polarity is the same all the way around.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 11, 2009, 06:45:52 AM

@ BEP,

Quote
Why can't folks understand what this means?

My comment is very relevant to his experiment as others try the same thing with a different size of stator magnet, they will fail and start yelling "FAKE" like I've seen in another thread. Then the research will be lost in irrelevant discussions about not using a glass table or independent testing and so on. But I have not seen the slingshot effect that Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor and linear track.

It is a first step success and I congratulated him for his efforts.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 11, 2009, 06:52:31 AM
Sorry
Wasn't meant for you.

(I hate Blackberrys)

@Michelinho,

Your last post is all too true and it is clear you see. The beginnings of the slingshot effect is clear.

BTW: I saw a post about using more than one stator.... If so, I suggest if you have an even number of rotor groups use an uneven number of stators - or the reverse. It comes out better.

It also decreases the chances of closing the rotor loop (bad) and the number or rotor magnets required.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 11, 2009, 07:13:00 AM
Hi BEP,

I don't see much of a problem in closing the loop if the magnets are not too strong. I would say it is premature to look at this problem as I wanted to wait for further experimentation. Maybe 2 or four pieces of iron wires sticking up from the outside perimeter one at the end of a group and the other at the beginning of the next group would nullify that dreaded close loop problem.
 
It may be tougher than that but not impossible to achieve.

Take care,

Michel

Edit: Copper shielding or something esle could be use. Are you familiar with Clanzer experiment with 2 adjacent magnets on wheels and he tested many different metals to see the effects? The answer could come from that too.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on April 11, 2009, 07:38:57 AM
Sorry
Wasn't meant for you.

(I hate Blackberrys)

@Michelinho,

Your last post is all too true and it is clear you see. The beginnings of the slingshot effect is clear.

BTW: I saw a post about using more than one stator.... If so, I suggest if you have an even number of rotor groups use an uneven number of stators - or the reverse. It comes out better.

It also decreases the chances of closing the rotor loop (bad) and the number or rotor magnets required.


@BEP

Yes I agree that Dusty's YouTube drawing on yellow pad paper made a lot of sense on the 120 degree and 3 phase stator arrangement.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 11, 2009, 07:58:12 AM
@ BEP and christC,

I have read somewhere that Mylow tried with a second stator arm and that did not work.

I think an even number would be tougher to get positive results from but an odd number would probably work as long as identical stator magnets are used.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on April 11, 2009, 08:13:26 AM
@ BEP and christC,

I have read somewhere that Mylow tried with a second stator arm and that did not work.

I think an even number would be tougher to get positive results from but an odd number would probably work as long as identical stator magnets are used.

Take care,

Michel



@ Michelinho

Yes, Mylow did state he had used 2 stators(opposite ends, I think) and it didn't work. Dusty's reasoning seemed an intelligent resoning because of the distance the gates were entered and exited with respect to the rotation. I wished I had the magnets to give it a shot! Maybe Queue  or Wattsup can give that a shot?

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 11, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
when you add more magnets the flux seems to interact and slow the hole wheel down. I was wondering about some form of magnetic shielding to try and separate the effect of the rotors at the stator.

This vid shows a poor mans magnetic shield at the end of it using what looks like a bit of a metal measuring tape. The metal tape would not be shielding the field I guess it would be directing it away some how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k

If we could use something like this to drop the entry barrier or the effect of the whole circle - You get what I am thinking.  ;)


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Michelinho on April 11, 2009, 09:38:45 AM

Hi jester,

Here is an excellent video made by Clanzer on magnetic shielding where movement is involved:

Magnetmotor - flux switching  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nDAuob2rQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nDAuob2rQ)

Using Clanzer's experiment and what Howard Johnson left us to work with, I really think we can solve the problem.

See post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg170145#msg170145 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg170145#msg170145)

Take care,

Michel



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Lakes on April 11, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
when you add more magnets the flux seems to interact and slow the hole wheel down. I was wondering about some form of magnetic shielding to try and separate the effect of the rotors at the stator.

This vid shows a poor mans magnetic shield at the end of it using what looks like a bit of a metal measuring tape. The metal tape would not be shielding the field I guess it would be directing it away some how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k

If we could use something like this to drop the entry barrier or the effect of the whole circle - You get what I am thinking.  ;)



Also see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 11, 2009, 04:17:51 PM
Mylow's described attempt at using two stators is a classic mistake.

Having three stators spaced 120 deg. apart is not a solution unless the total rotor groups is an even number AND the asymmetrical rotor layout doesn't cause the same locking point - as if the total rotor groups were an odd number.

No magic there, just basic motor layout. The best thing to do is have one fixed stator and one adjustable in radial position. Moving it would be like twisting a car distributor to adjust timing.

Only two stators are need to prove the point. It may fire like a Harley V-Twin but nobody cares.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 11, 2009, 04:20:19 PM
@all (sorry for long post)

I saw Mylows last Utube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bReWmWwDE&feature=channel_page

And................ naturally our first instinct is to ask why in tarnation is he worried about simple stickies when he had a turning wheel. Here's the way I see it, and it is a damn shame.

Well first of all his present rotors are shot, and, he can't just sit still and wait for his next rotors and not do anything. So for the "first time" (now I don't know if it's the first time but if I judge from his astonishment at explaining a simple stickie, one would then ask, geez is this the first time he's used straight magnets), I think he has tried straight magnets. lol

@Sterlinga if you can find out if in his last video, was this the first time he ever used straight magnets or is the object of the video to give a Discovering Stickies 101 Course and he's been using them for years. Both ways is OK with me because I now know why his wheel worked and that is OK with me.

@Sterlinga also, once he noticed his wheel turning on it's own, how long after did he communicate with you. This is a very important question as it will give us more precise idea on the rotor/stator durability. We need some type of Mylow discovery time line.

If you build a unit, I don't care what type of pull, if you put a small motor on the wheel to turn it just a tad 1-2 volts, maybe 3. In time if the stator slowly loses its strength and the rotors lose their strength, eventually you should get to what I would call the Mylow Level of Magnetic Depletion (MLMD), (ya, I know it sounds crazy), meaning the magnets will lose just enough from both sides to eventually be able to turn on its own, because now for the first time, the wheel mass with mild momentum is stronger then the stickies. In Mylows videos, using the same components used by current builders, there is just enough to start the turn, get out of the sticky, enter a new segment and continue to build up momentum in the wheel and from there it is a growing process to it's maximum RPM.

Either that or we have to find a way to deplete rotor magnets, or order rotors that are already depleted, meaning they once had a pull and now have I would say 20% left. lol

Now if Mylow was putzing around with this wheel for years, this would mean that at the beginning when the magnets had stronger fields, his wheel did not work in this same configuration, just like ours. So he must have tried and tried and tried and tried again many variations. But while he tried, his magnets started losing strength until just recently when the wheel turned on it's own and today when they are just dead.

But again, Mylows last video is of such an elementary nature that I am more inclined to think that Mylow was not doing this for very long, and that his rotors and stator were already very weak and his results of wheel rotation where rather quick to show itself, and that now that his rotors are dead and he is trying other magnet types due to having some time on his hands, it is only now that he is really discovering the sticky spot. Sounds repetitive.

So I think this whole Mylow affair is based on dying rotors and stator showing this rotation effect in the hands of someone that did not have enough experience to realize what is happening and who is now stuck in a twilight zone between authenticity and fakery postulations. Yes it would seem like fake if you do not understand what is really going on. But if Mylow had done a standardized but crude pull test on his rotor and stator from day one, he would have been able to realize and roughly quantify the gradual drop in magnetism.

Why are the current builds not working. The only real variable is the relationship between rotor strength and stator/rotor positioning.

We can use a stronger stator and put it further away but then we lose the pinpointed or directed two rotor coverage and go to higher rotor coverages as we increase the length. Mylows last working video shows this where his nearly dead rotors were turning with a newly received stator that was placed further away then many here would have tried. If the new stator is as close as his original, the stators new nature and strength will over power the rotors near dead state. If you then just back the stator away from rotors a few inches, the stator is still too strong and now the active field size grows even more to cover more rotors while the stator field gets somewhat weaker on the rotors, and if you back the stator further out, you get to a point where the stator field curvature is at its edge and is probably just touching 2 or 3 rotors with the right strength to again produce a quasi mutual neutral zone where between these two neutralizing forces, again the wheel momentum can take advantage of the turning momentum.

So based on all this, I think the choice of stator and rotor has to be a simple math equation. If the new rotors are 1 lb pull, and the stator covers two rotors, then the stator should be 2 lb. pull if both the rotor and stator should have the same strength and thus provide the most neutral field possible where the wheel momentum can provide the excess gain. If you have a 12 lb stator, use 6 lb rotors. If you want the stator to be three rotors wide, then use 4 lb rotors. And so on.

But then in the equation the wheel diameter and mass will have to be taken into consideration. I would guess a 17" to 20" wheel should use 1-2 lb rotors and 2-4 lb stators, but as soon as you start using stronger rotors and stators, the wheel diameter and mass must increase accordingly since the potential delevopped neutral strength or mass interchange of mutual magnetic fluxes will provide differences in a scale from 0-1 and the differences would be in the .1 scale. meaning you will require more wheel mass to tear away from a neutral state produced by stronger magnet rotor and stators, even thought they are still neutral, there is more neutral mass flux to overcome with only the wheel momentum.

On my wheel with neos, they are 12 lb pull each, so imagine the pull strength of the stator would have to be 24, 36 or 48 lb pull depending on how many rotors the stator will cover. imagine the inter magnet stress involved if properly balance should make the wheel turn at a 1000 rpm easy. Hmmmmm how to find stronger pull in a compact size. This becomes the next dilemma.

I'll stop now. But I guess the main reason for this post is to say, that I would hope @sterlina will be able to gets some time line answers and if he needs a list of pertinent questions, just ask and I will prepare them during the weekend. I would hate to see Mylow be chastised because of our collective ignorance to the real facts, something that history has shown to be so true. I can only say that Mylow did the right thing is communicating with @sterlinga when he did. Any later and it was too late, effect is gone and we would have lost this opportunity to witness and learn more. So Mylow, I guess you are now member of the Standard Sticky Club. So let's make some more discoveries.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ramset on April 11, 2009, 04:42:55 PM
This man doesn't like the sticky club either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGB3delzoA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fmy_videos_edit2&feature=player_embedded

Chet
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 11, 2009, 05:19:12 PM
@all (sorry for long post)

I saw Mylows last Utube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bReWmWwDE&feature=channel_page

And................ naturally our first instinct is to ask why in tarnation is he worried about simple stickies when he had a turning wheel. Here's the way I see it, and it is a damn shame.

Well first of all his present rotors are shot, and, he can't just sit still and wait for his next rotors and not do anything. So for the "first time" (now I don't know if it's the first time but if I judge from his astonishment at explaining a simple stickie, one would then ask, geez is this the first time he's used straight magnets), I think he has tried straight magnets. lol

@Sterlinga if you can find out if in his last video, was this the first time he ever used straight magnets or is the object of the video to give a Discovering Stickies 101 Course and he's been using them for years. Both ways is OK with me because I now know why his wheel worked and that is OK with me.

@Sterlinga also, once he noticed his wheel turning on it's own, how long after did he communicate with you. This is a very important question as it will give us more precise idea on the rotor/stator durability. We need some type of Mylow discovery time line.

If you build a unit, I don't care what type of pull, if you put a small motor on the wheel to turn it just a tad 1-2 volts, maybe 3. In time if the stator slowly loses its strength and the rotors lose their strength, eventually you should get to what I would call the Mylow Level of Magnetic Depletion (MLMD), (ya, I know it sounds crazy), meaning the magnets will lose just enough from both sides to eventually be able to turn on its own, because now for the first time, the wheel mass with mild momentum is stronger then the stickies. In Mylows videos, using the same components used by current builders, there is just enough to start the turn, get out of the sticky, enter a new segment and continue to build up momentum in the wheel and from there it is a growing process to it's maximum RPM.

Either that or we have to find a way to deplete rotor magnets, or order rotors that are already depleted, meaning they once had a pull and now have I would say 20% left. lol

Now if Mylow was putzing around with this wheel for years, this would mean that at the beginning when the magnets had stronger fields, his wheel did not work in this same configuration, just like ours. So he must have tried and tried and tried and tried again many variations. But while he tried, his magnets started losing strength until just recently when the wheel turned on it's own and today when they are just dead.

But again, Mylows last video is of such an elementary nature that I am more inclined to think that Mylow was not doing this for very long, and that his rotors and stator were already very weak and his results of wheel rotation where rather quick to show itself, and that now that his rotors are dead and he is trying other magnet types due to having some time on his hands, it is only now that he is really discovering the sticky spot. Sounds repetitive.

So I think this whole Mylow affair is based on dying rotors and stator showing this rotation effect in the hands of someone that did not have enough experience to realize what is happening and who is now stuck in a twilight zone between authenticity and fakery postulations. Yes it would seem like fake if you do not understand what is really going on. But if Mylow had done a standardized but crude pull test on his rotor and stator from day one, he would have been able to realize and roughly quantify the gradual drop in magnetism.

Why are the current builds not working. The only real variable is the relationship between rotor strength and stator/rotor positioning.

We can use a stronger stator and put it further away but then we lose the pinpointed or directed two rotor coverage and go to higher rotor coverages as we increase the length. Mylows last working video shows this where his nearly dead rotors were turning with a newly received stator that was placed further away then many here would have tried. If the new stator is as close as his original, the stators new nature and strength will over power the rotors near dead state. If you then just back the stator away from rotors a few inches, the stator is still too strong and now the active field size grows even more to cover more rotors while the stator field gets somewhat weaker on the rotors, and if you back the stator further out, you get to a point where the stator field curvature is at its edge and is probably just touching 2 or 3 rotors with the right strength to again produce a quasi mutual neutral zone where between these two neutralizing forces, again the wheel momentum can take advantage of the turning momentum.

So based on all this, I think the choice of stator and rotor has to be a simple math equation. If the new rotors are 1 lb pull, and the stator covers two rotors, then the stator should be 2 lb. pull if both the rotor and stator should have the same strength and thus provide the most neutral field possible where the wheel momentum can provide the excess gain. If you have a 12 lb stator, use 6 lb rotors. If you want the stator to be three rotors wide, then use 4 lb rotors. And so on.

But then in the equation the wheel diameter and mass will have to be taken into consideration. I would guess a 17" to 20" wheel should use 1-2 lb rotors and 2-4 lb stators, but as soon as you start using stronger rotors and stators, the wheel diameter and mass must increase accordingly since the potential delevopped neutral strength or mass interchange of mutual magnetic fluxes will provide differences in a scale from 0-1 and the differences would be in the .1 scale. meaning you will require more wheel mass to tear away from a neutral state produced by stronger magnet rotor and stators, even thought they are still neutral, there is more neutral mass flux to overcome with only the wheel momentum.

On my wheel with neos, they are 12 lb pull each, so imagine the pull strength of the stator would have to be 24, 36 or 48 lb pull depending on how many rotors the stator will cover. imagine the inter magnet stress involved if properly balance should make the wheel turn at a 1000 rpm easy. Hmmmmm how to find stronger pull in a compact size. This becomes the next dilemma.

I'll stop now. But I guess the main reason for this post is to say, that I would hope @sterlina will be able to gets some time line answers and if he needs a list of pertinent questions, just ask and I will prepare them during the weekend. I would hate to see Mylow be chastised because of our collective ignorance to the real facts, something that history has shown to be so true. I can only say that Mylow did the right thing is communicating with @sterlinga when he did. Any later and it was too late, effect is gone and we would have lost this opportunity to witness and learn more. So Mylow, I guess you are now member of the Standard Sticky Club. So let's make some more discoveries.

A very intelligent post in my opinion. Congratulations.

I particularly liked the clever idea of driving the wheel with a motor until the magnets are virtually depleted. As I pointed out in the following post.....

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg166216#msg166216

.......one wants to cut out all but the first order interactions. Weakening the magnets does this, as of course does having a lot of separate groups, islands which cannot communicate with each other.

The final paragraph of my post was,

This would seem to be a case where small is beautiful. Size matters but in the inverse. The natural temptation to use more powerful magnets should be resisted. The discs should be as large as possible, the magnets as small and weak as possible consistent with the motor still working, obviously. One can then gradually increase each of the variables in turn until one generates a negative interaction and the motor stops working. In this way one will map out an operating envelope for the motor and determine which combination of variables gives most power, most speed, or whatever.

Your idea of working down is better than mine of working up. Its easier to weaken magnets progressively than to strengthen them progressively.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on April 11, 2009, 05:25:42 PM
Also see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page)

@ Michelinho
Thanks interesting stuff

@ Lakes

That's pretty cool and I have just notice your other post in the other thread which I miss.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg170265#msg170265

on shielded magnets Lakes has posted 2 videos

Lakes posted (part 1) on other the thread another interesting one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofO1S1937w&feature=channel_page

I am going to post part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJsFK0-cqQ

If your build allows it (and you have a full circle up) could some do a simple test for me. Drop some square cake tins upside down (if you have some of different sizes) over the top of each other in the centre of the circle and tell me if it change the speed through any of your sets. 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: starcruiser on April 11, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
@Queue,

We provide just enough energy to rotate the disk a few degrees. As yours shows, it rotates over half way.

Why can't folks understand what this means?

BTW: Excellent work. I'm seeing the same. Please don't try closing the magnetic rotor loop. What I found is when that is done there is at least one place where the polarity flips 180 deg. even though the magnet's polarity is the same all the way around.


@BEP,

Have you tried to flip one set of magnets polarity when closing the loop to see what happens?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on April 11, 2009, 07:48:09 PM

Well first of all his present rotors are shot, and, he can't just sit still and wait for his next rotors and not do anything. So for the "first time" (now I don't know if it's the first time but if I judge from his astonishment at explaining a simple stickie, one would then ask, geez is this the first time he's used straight magnets), I think he has tried straight magnets. lol

@Sterlinga if you can find out if in his last video, was this the first time he ever used straight magnets or is the object of the video to give a Discovering Stickies 101 Course and he's been using them for years. Both ways is OK with me because I now know why his wheel worked and that is OK with me.



@Wattsup

Here is Mylow playing with straight magnets:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4PF4PgdoA&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Qyfhwd1kg&feature=channel_page

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 11, 2009, 08:23:36 PM
@BEP,

Have you tried to flip one set of magnets polarity when closing the loop to see what happens?

My loop problems are with any ring of magnets. If I install a symmetric loop of magnets, all with the same polarity, then place a compass at the edge while spinning, the compass will always find one point where it disagrees with the physical polarity.

I just tried flipping that one magnet. No joy. The reversal appears to be between the magnets.

I understood this before. I don't know why I made that mistake.

So I don't close the loop. I'm back to having separate groups that aren't talking to one another.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 11, 2009, 08:25:38 PM
"This would seem to be a case where small is beautiful. Size matters but in the inverse. The natural temptation to use more powerful magnets should be resisted. The discs should be as large as possible, the magnets as small and weak as possible consistent with the motor still working, obviously. One can then gradually increase each of the variables in turn until one generates a negative interaction and the motor stops working. In this way one will map out an operating envelope for the motor and determine which combination of variables gives most power, most speed, or whatever."

Allright, finally we're on the right track!  This is exactly why HJ used huge rotors on some of his rotary
designs - to spread the field out so it doesn't all turn into one giant sticky spot.  This localizes the
reactions allowing the vortical spin fields to work without being overpowered by those useless B fields.
After getting something to work, THEN we can slowly increase magnet strength while adding permeability plates to sink the B field.  This will then maximize the short range vortical spin fields.

On my own rep I'm using a 36" rotor and constructing the rotor magnets from 4" tall bar magnets
with 1.7 lb pull here http://www.mcmaster.com/#5851k11/=1eg8vc  with 1006 steel extensions to form the C shape.  This is the lowest pull strength I can find and it might be too much!  Then I have a one
inch wide roll of mumetal to use as the permeability shield to go around the outside of the magnets
at top and bottom. Then another steel circular shield mounted underneath the rotor magnets and yet another circular steel shield to sit on top of the magnets.  This should nuke the B fields!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Grimer on April 11, 2009, 08:37:45 PM
"This would seem to be a case where small is beautiful. Size matters but in the inverse. The natural temptation to use more powerful magnets should be resisted. The discs should be as large as possible, the magnets as small and weak as possible consistent with the motor still working, obviously. One can then gradually increase each of the variables in turn until one generates a negative interaction and the motor stops working. In this way one will map out an operating envelope for the motor and determine which combination of variables gives most power, most speed, or whatever."

Alright, finally we're on the right track!  This is exactly why HJ used huge rotors on some of his rotary
designs - to spread the field out so it doesn't all turn into one giant sticky spot.  This localizes the
reactions allowing the vortical spin fields to work without being overpowered by those useless B fields.
After getting something to work, THEN we can slowly increase magnet strength while adding permeability plates to sink the B field.  This will then maximize the short range vortical spin fields.

On my own rep I'm using a 36" rotor and constructing the rotor magnets from 4" tall bar magnets
with 1.7 lb pull here http://www.mcmaster.com/#5851k11/=1eg8vc  with 1006 steel extensions to form the C shape.  This is the lowest pull strength I can find and it might be too much!  Then I have a one
inch wide roll of mumetal to use as the permeability shield to go around the outside of the magnets
at top and bottom. Then another steel circular shield mounted underneath the rotor magnets and yet another circular steel shield to sit on top of the magnets.  This should nuke the B fields!

Sounds rational. Good luck cc.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: carbonc_cc on April 12, 2009, 03:42:06 AM
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.

I have attached a drawing which I believe should overcome the "closing the loop" problem.  Going 3D instead of just 2D should remove the distorting effect of adding magnets on a single platter.

One might even try a double heliux pattern like that of DNA...  Sprial down
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 12, 2009, 04:58:20 AM
Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less.

Copy that ..
every mag array or smot i ever played with did same.

Cheers
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: queue on April 12, 2009, 04:59:47 AM
i finished building the 16.3 disk array today after the promising look it showed yesterday.
i posted two vids of the tests i did today . . but the news is not encourageing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53meik-OB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK77eDMlWE4

This array 16 = (4*4)  * 3  acts like every other so far . . as you continue the build around the disk ..
i tried it in symmetry and not  4.4.4.4 + 4.4.4.4 + 4.4.4.3
there is less and less movement up until you close the loop .. once you do
there is not enough momentum to  break through the wall of repulsion sitting at the beginning of the next segment.

Every array i ever built to date has done this . .so far this one is no different.

Later this weekend i may build 16(4*4) in some other config.
If i understood one of Sterling's earlier posts he is sending Mylow some rotors that are same as mine
 
.. if this is the case and Mylow can get them to work then he can share the config with me so i can replicate it.

Early next week I will also have one of the same stators as Mylow if my shipping ETA holds up.

Yesterday i asked Mylow ( projectMagma )  to  look and comment on my videos .. big silence ..

Until there is a replication .. nothing here ..
move along

Cheers
Queue
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cloud camper on April 12, 2009, 08:22:58 AM
"Based on my own testing, I noticed that as you add more magnet groups, the stator works less and less."

This is because each magnet group you add just builds a larger and wider composite B field.  The
stator will try and seek the point of maximum attraction or minimum repulsion, or the summation of both
using both poles of the rotor magnets in our case but will usually be in the middle of the array.  As you close the loop, the array goes dead as there is no point of maximum attraction or minimum repulsion.  There is still plenty of B field but you just poured molasses over the whole mess.  Isn't symmetry wonderful?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on April 12, 2009, 09:46:30 AM
Last night I stubled upon flux measurments that can be done quite easy by a using hall sensor.

Would it be an idea to put two hall sensors on the stator magnet, one at each end.
Voltage of these sensors could be measured by a sound card input (two channels) of a PC.
In this way one could easily get more insight in the field alteration of such setup.

p.s. I will do a bit more research later on to show how this can be done easiest.
( have to visit family today).
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Lakes on April 12, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
Last night I stubled upon flux measurments that can be done quite easy by a using hall sensor.

Would it be an idea to put two hall sensors on the stator magnet, one at each end.
Voltage of these sensors could be measured by a sound card input (two channels) of a PC.
In this way one could easily get more insight in the field alteration of such setup.

p.s. I will do a bit more research later on to show how this can be done easiest.
( have to visit family today).
Posted in the other thread.. http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/ (http://zedomax.com/blog/2007/04/11/diy-circuit-hack-how-to-build-an-inexpensive-hall-effect-gaussmeter/)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Lakes on April 12, 2009, 04:43:23 PM
Instead of using platters, how about this instead?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Chase212327 on April 12, 2009, 06:17:52 PM
Queue,
I don't think adding more spindles, platters or maybe even more rotors will help solve this "closing the loop" problem.  I'm pretty sure all that may make it even worse. This is because I believe that the reason builders haven't been able to close the wheel is primarily because of what's referred to as "moment of inertia".

More here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia#Overview
http://www.howeverythingworks.org/page1.php?QNum=55

"Moment of inertia embodies both mass and its distribution about the axis of rotation. The more of the mass that is located far from the axis of rotation, the larger the moment of inertia. For example, a ball of dough is much easier to spin than a disk-shaped pizza, because the latter has its mass far from the axis of rotation."

This is why your wheel is not picking up as much speed now, with so much additional weight to move (far from the axis).  It's no longer light enough to gain enough speed to easily glide all that mass half a platter to the next rotor set.

I believe the best way to overcome this is to add more stator magnets.  Could be that you don’t even need to add more rotors (mass) to the outside of the wheel, which would make it even heavier (far from the axis).

Think of a merry-go-round full of kids on a playground.  You need more moms to get it spinning faster.  Not more kids on the merry-go-round.

Also, it seems that there is a sweet spot to the distance of the stator magnet to the rotors, to keep it from being "sticky" (etc.).  When you load up the wheel with rotors and increase its mass, add more stators at that same optimal distance, also at different positions within rotor sets throughout the wheel.

Chase212327
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on April 18, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
Hi everyone,

@ Hans, it looks a lot more like Tesla's homopolar generator with 2 disks (bifilar homopolar generator) where the disks are coupled by their circumferences with a conductive belt.

One thing that is so big that I did not see (and was told) and I have to share. Howard Johnson's Stonehenge motor does not rotate a disk but it rotates the stator as in Mylow's and Queue's replications. He also uses both ends repulsive force (1 magnet structure at each end of the arm) to achieve this. Maybe something interesting would be seen as rotational speed and stability of rotation.

Take care,

Michel


Edit: Each time we deviate from the original, we add complexity and difficulties.




And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on April 18, 2009, 11:40:21 PM

And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.

See TK's more than successful MyLow replication!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Digjam on April 19, 2009, 12:17:16 AM
See TK's more than successful MyLow replication!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TinselKoala

cheers
chrisC

read the headline of the video >alt.snakeoil
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: i_ron on April 19, 2009, 06:07:58 AM

It seems to me that one could build a wheel if one could figure out how to induce eddy currents
into an aluminum disc and forget about magnet magnet interaction. That is, the moving and stationary
magnets are needed but only to cause the proper eddy currents to cause rotation. One would need to
spin the disc up at first to generate the eddy currents

"The aluminum disc is acted upon by two coils. One coil is connected in such a way that it produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the voltage and the other produces a magnetic flux in proportion to the current. The field of the voltage coil is delayed by 90 degrees using a lag coil. This produces eddy currents in the disc ."

Ron
 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Lakes on April 19, 2009, 11:29:46 AM
read the headline of the video >alt.snakeoil
Video now annotated, how very sad...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: infringer on April 19, 2009, 10:21:15 PM
I have seen videos discussing meters as power generators for the electric co...

I think that would be a radical thing too radical to be true!

Chris C if you didn't notice he was using an motor to turn his disk underneath... So TK's video was a good fake most likely like mylows.
What is so bad about wind and solar we are all so fascinated by the snake oil claims when we have free energy readily available here and now.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on April 19, 2009, 11:07:10 PM
I have seen videos discussing meters as power generators for the electric co...

I think that would be a radical thing too radical to be true!

Chris C if you didn't notice he was using an motor to turn his disk underneath... So TK's video was a good fake most likely like mylows.
What is so bad about wind and solar we are all so fascinated by the snake oil claims when we have free energy readily available here and now.



@infringer. Thank you for your post. I still don't know whether TK is deliberately doing this to  mislead others or if he has been able to replicate much of myLow's stuff but did not have enough understanding to explain the facts and decided to 'confuse' others via the alt.snakeoil approach but at the same time buying time to do more experimenting to see if he can truly explain his findings.

If it is the former, then I truly have not much respect for people who are only doing it to boost their own egos and indeed it's a complete misuse of time and resources. Seemed like this forum has many of such personalities. Just beats me, though. (same comment for MyLow if he is just doing it to boost his ego!)

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: B.Lane on April 19, 2009, 11:16:31 PM

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Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: B.Lane on April 19, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
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Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
@guys

This is the Mylow builders thread. Please keep this thread free of other affairs or I will have to erase these irrelevant posts. That's why we keep the other thread open for other discussions. Just because no one is posting here since a few days, does not mean people are not working on it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: i_ron on April 20, 2009, 12:12:52 AM
@guys

This is the Mylow builders thread. Please keep this thread free of other affairs or I will have to erase these irrelevant posts. That's why we keep the other thread open for other discussions. Just because no one is posting here since a few days, does not mean people are not working on it.

But wattsup, the eddy currents in aluminum might very well be relevant. I should have posted a link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_meter

see they use a magnet to brake the aluminum rotor... why did we not see this in mylows builds?
Aluminum could be the worst material to use for the rotor... unless the eddy currents play a part?

Ron
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: B.Lane on April 20, 2009, 01:59:13 AM
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Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: B.Lane on April 20, 2009, 02:00:07 AM
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Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2009, 02:10:33 AM
@i_ron

Your thoughts about aluminum are valid here. After all this is the Replication Discussion thread, not the 'make sure every nail in the coffin is secure' thread.

Aluminum plays a role in this motor whether folks wish it to or not. The question is - exactly what?

I found my initial attempt with thin aluminum failed to produce anything interesting.
Next attempt... 7ga. plate with holes around the edge for mounting magnets..... yea right!

<Edit>
"yea right!" Meaning the holes killed all wanted action -or- dumb move for me. I had to cut another disk.
</Edit>

I finally decided to stop changing the recipe. At least now I have smooth rotation from one magnet group to another. Still not there but no holes around the edge and no grove.

I am convinced Eddy is part of this but I don't think he is dragging his feet.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: slapper on April 20, 2009, 04:37:43 AM
And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.

Welcome to the fray ALFPARTS.

I'll take your bet and apply it toward a wager that you have a lot more to say about Howard's design than your last post.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on April 20, 2009, 08:17:22 AM
Yes I have a lot more to say about the Mylow project but the matter deserves more investigation before I release more. I will say this however: I have two sets of engineering notes. One set from Howard concerns the actual motor operation principles. The other concerns the design of of the mis-information that is being disseminated by a certain group of people out west.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
@ALFPARTS

While Mylow's rendition is interesting (but not an HJ design) I would rather develop my understanding of the 'REAL' work of Howard Johnson.  ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 20, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
@ALFPARTS

How rude of me to not have acknowledged your post sooner. We are all caught up with this wheel and if you can shed some positive light on this, we would most certainly be appreciative.

When I see Mylows wheel, I think of both HJ's and Leedskalnin's wheel. HJ has his stator inside like Mylow. Leedskalnin's had his stator on the outside. I am curious to know if HJ ever referred to Leedskalnin's works and if not, had he ever mentioned anyone in particular as his guiding post. Also, when I see the photo of him holding the stator in the center of his wheel, I can't help but think of all the times he must have hit his knuckles on the turning rotor magnet edges. That must have hurt.

If it is OK with you, maybe @slapper can open a new thread in this same topic heading and call it something like "ALFPARTS HJ Insights" so it can still have a moderator and start a fresh subject specifically based on HJ's works and not be lost in this thread. That would be the ultimate in learning more about his devices.


@i_ron

I was not referring to you in particular. Just in general to not fall into the fray of the "is this real or un-real" posts.

I understand about the lag coil and aluminum effects and thanks for bringing it up because there may actually be some direct relationship to building the TPU. (off topic -lol.)

Found this patent and put it here;
TPUers may want to look at it also.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/patents-relevant/Lag-Plate-US2336834.pdf

But for all intents and purposes, I do not think there is any "major" relationship with Mylows wheel. His original magnets were far to weak to cause any major and/or confined eddy currents and anyways, such effects happen with drastically changing magnetic fields or highly saturated laminated cores and the rotors on the wheel provide stable constant fields. Someone would have to really spell it out for us to better understand this.

There is something very important I have noticed in my pizza pan neo tests. My base, (what @BEP asked about) I had originally made for my former "8 ball wheel" perpetual motion attempt and as you can notice, it makes for a very wide Mylow wheel base. Sometimes, while switching neos around I will put a neo on the base edge for a few seconds and noticed the neo is half floating semi-suspended because of the proximity of the rotor field on top, so the rotor field is definitely dragging on the base. Holy cow. This for me means Mylows centralized base is absolutely required to eliminate any additional or potential drag between the rotor field and the wide base.

Also, I then realized that when looking at Mylows videos, you will notice his visitors bedroom where he does his work really has no other electronic instruments or metallic objects lying around that could influence the magnetic fields' attraction zone. I think this is capital also since in my office lab, there are metallic objects, lying around all over the place within 1/2 to 2 feet away, I am convinced that all of this is playing on the final results or non-results.

On Sunday, I found three nice aluminum blocks at the flea market for dirt cheap. I was looking for some bigger pieces. (I also found an empty plastic wire reel that is the FTPU size, but that's again off topic. lol)

There is something fishy though and that is, why the magnets will create a crowning effect when placed all around the wheel, canceling any possibility for the stator to find any distinct north or south field, hence no potential for movement. I have tried it in so many angles, stator types, etc. The question I have is why do the rotors crown in certain instances and not when the rotors are spread further apart.

Then I think of Teslas Wireless Power Transmission that works with two remotely placed coils that share the same vibration or frequency with a common point being the ground. Magnets in proximity and on the same wheel could share the same effect and transmit in a loop their flux that creates a homogenized non-polarized or very neutrally polarized effect. I will try and put some pick up coils in the crowning field and see if there is any energy pick-up with and without the crowning effect. This may also be TPU related. lol

But just to touch on the idea, as I removed some magnets to break the circular loop, the polarities reverted back to their original positions. This for me is major because with the addition or removal of some magnets, the whole loop field switched positions. Some will realize what this means. But just imagine having only to mechanically turn a few magnets and cause a complete magnetic loop to switch polarities. Imagine the magnets surrounded by pick-up coils and just by turning over a few magnets you flip the whole field over the coils. You could switch 100 magnets by only turning 10 of them and those 10 don't even have to be near a coil to produce any drag at all. Hmmmmmmm. That is new but I need to look at it more, but need more time.

I have noticed another crowning effect but want to reproduce it a few more times before I say anything that may be a very good reason for my public flogging. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: slapper on April 20, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Yes I have a lot more to say about the Mylow project but the matter deserves more investigation before I release more. I will say this however: I have two sets of engineering notes. One set from Howard concerns the actual motor operation principles. The other concerns the design of of the mis-information that is being disseminated by a certain group of people out west.

Thank you for the reply ALFPARTS.

@ALFPARTS

While Mylow's rendition is interesting (but not an HJ design) I would rather develop my understanding of the 'REAL' work of Howard Johnson.  ;D

Couldn't agree more. We need this information out in the public domain. It's been hidden far to long.

If it is OK with you, maybe @slapper can open a new thread in this same topic heading and call it something like "ALFPARTS HJ Insights" so it can still have a moderator and start a fresh subject specifically based on HJ's works and not be lost in this thread. That would be the ultimate in learning more about his devices.

wattsup, I appreciate your confidence in me but I think ALFPARTS is capable of doing this himself if he decides to. With that being said I would do what ever is reasonable to get this information out there.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on April 20, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
Thank you for the reply ALFPARTS.

Couldn't agree more. We need this information out in the public domain. It's been hidden far to long.

wattsup, I appreciate your confidence in me but I think ALFPARTS is capable of doing this himself if he decides to. With that being said I would do what ever is reasonable to get this information out there.

Take care.

nap
120 PM EST BLACKSBURG - Hi guys, I really don't know all that much about Howard's designs since I was more of the gopher and security guy. I do have a technical background but it is in electronics for only 37 years. Howard gave me bits and pieces and from what I can see there are only a couple of missing links. But persuing the Mylow replication won't get ya there from what I can tell. Sadly though I originally was approving of it I think that it is an engineered distraction created for the purpose of sending people on a wild goose chase while the perpetrators actually pursue the real technology and make a few bucks at the same time. I sincerely apologize for not seeing this sooner and feel rather foolish. But for what it's worth: Howard was one of Leedskalnins closest neighbors while serving at the new Homestead Air Base. This might tell ya something.

 617 PM - I notice that Sterling Allan has caught wind of my statements and appears to be a bit flustered. It was not my intention to defame Mylow as he is not the alleged perpetrator. Fortunately for some I was feeling merciful and did not elaborate on the matter or make note of certain peculiar associations that exist. I think that what Mylow is doing is thus far is a wonderful thing but unfortunately he is likely becoming the object of commercialized control.
 I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on April 21, 2009, 03:39:49 AM
I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.

Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: i_ron on April 21, 2009, 05:12:12 AM
snip
 I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.

I for one am fascinated by your remarks and see no reason why you should stop. Name calling,
mud slinging and character assassination are for sure reasons to be moderated. But your information
is welcome... to my ears at least.

In days past, before they were placed under control, I read Popular Science, popular Mechanics
and Science and Mechanics religiously. For the most part they reported the latest developments
correctly and accurately although with a certain hype that was fairly easy to see through. So I
would tend to believe the reporting of Howard Johnson's work at that time was truthful. That HJ's
stuff should be so distorted and mangled now is easy to understand when so many of the discoveries
have been so completely suppressed. Just to mention one from that era, Smokey Yunick's adiabatic
engine, completely covered over, lost from sight.

So please continue, no need to start a new thread, it all ties in with the builders search for knowledge
here. 

Ron

PS: my credentials...



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on April 21, 2009, 05:13:18 AM
Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?



Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?




I was just trying to be a good boy and abide by the forums rules and policy.
Odd that you mention that thing about Homestead. Howard was an intel officer and worked both at Homestead and Annapolis. I wonder if he might have been part of that group. Maybe Leedskalnin was in on it too. Who knows'
I know we cant wait.. We are not utilizing our time in the most efficient manner. I realize that its fun to tinker and experiment and that regimentation takes a lot of the fun out but maybe there is a way to be more focused and still maintain the thrill. Therefore it would not be unreasonable to include a little bit of or"direction" in the development of this project in order make things a little smoother. Maybe we all need to ask ourselves again why we are really doing this project and why it is important that we be efficient in the solution of it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2009, 06:43:04 AM
@ALFPARTS and @BEP

Let's not get stuck on semantics. There is truth in saying Mylows device is far from HJs in most every sense, except for the basic premise that we can get into later.

So @Al don't let anyone fluster you for expressing something you believe in. I appreciate your candor and guys here must simply realize that it is coming from someone who is closer to the original then we ever could be.

We know many many things and can catch things between the lines that maybe you may not have considered. Something you may consider as mundane could be key for others so don't hold back. There are many facets of Mylows wheel that is teaching me some good things, most likely not what any intentional detractor would have wanted us to see.

Oh' I'm really glad to learn that HJ knew LSK. It just seemed so normal for that to be. They must have been sharing notes, or one was telling and the other was jotting things down. Was there anyone else that HJ looked to? Geez, I could prepare a 20 page questionnaire but I really do not want to impose. (Would the multiple choice method be good - lol. Just jokin.)

As far as working efficiently, I'm 100% in agreement and I am sure most members here are also, so let's keep this here and agree that regular Mylow business will be interjected here and there as things progress.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: carbonc_cc on April 22, 2009, 05:06:20 AM
Ok.  Here are some more videos continuing my testing:

11 - Johnson / Mylow research (New Stator Assembly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsRjS1L0aqA

12 - Johnson / Mylow research (Testing Magnet Layout 4-3-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCyx6CeXWL4


I was just trying some magnetic layout variations with my setup as recommended by PM from Mylow.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on April 30, 2009, 10:08:28 AM
Congratulations Mylow. If we can replicate it you are the man. Witnesses are also required, so please allow that. However painful, hold on. Be the hero. Trust Sterling to deal with it properly. Otherwise they'll make you the pope of a new religion with you as the only miracle worker! Don't fall for that. But I trust you are a normal guy, so we simply have to make it work for ourselves.... Thanks for all your efforts and sorry for all the skepticism from my side and of others stressing you.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: zydubion on May 02, 2009, 08:56:04 AM
Do not try to fill the gaps.  The gaps make the Mylow unit work.  Also, imagine the torque when an additional stator is added.  Even more, perhaps 6 or more stators!  Mylow, jump in, you the man.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: epwpixieq-1 on May 02, 2009, 03:25:37 PM
Guys,

Did someone ask Mylow to show his device working NOT on the desk where he is showing it on the videos. If he is so open for opensourcing it ask him, via Sterling D. Allan who apparently communicates with him, to show his device working on different places outside of his apartment.

Lets apply some rational thinking in our exotic energy search !

SAS
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jaldam on May 02, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
Mylow:
We would sure like to see your magnet motor work.  Please make more videos.  If this thing really works as you have shown it over the past 3+ weeks - please allow two people to see it, and visit with you somewhere.

I would be happy to be one of those people (I live in TX, USA).  I really do want to believe what you have shown is a working model and please make more videos and post them. . .

Many years ago - When I was young, father enjoyed the time he spent with several different magnets.  I remember seeing him moving them around trying to make things happen.  I have some 200+ different magnets that I experiment with on a regular basis and I am 70 years old now.

Please show us that it works. . .   MYLOW: You can still be a hero.
All be safe.   J.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Mannix on May 02, 2009, 04:22:02 PM
Hi guys!

Sorry to jump in here
I found the right thread finally!

I wonder if the mains 60 hz from the lamp may be the source of the circulating eddy currents?

I hope not . But if any of you have a setup ,  I would be grateful if one of you could try this , I would find it helpful as it is the only thing that may be an external influence.

In many of my coil (tpu) experiments I found that lamps send out a substantial magnetic field.

I did ask this question in the other thread but the ego's are way to high there and I dont want to sound negative.

I am working on something else and perhaps it is relevant for some of you.

It would mean placing a source of  ac like a transformer or a lamp on one side of the device and see if it makes it easier to ramp through.

An aluminum mass below the device would short this out.

It would be important that the setup was almost exactly like Mylows

Please dont take this as a criticism . I hope this may be of assistance.

I fully respect the efforts you guys are making .

Lindsay



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on May 02, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Guys,

Did someone ask Mylow to show his device working NOT on the desk where he is showing it on the videos. If he is so open for opensourcing it ask him, via Sterling D. Allan who apparently communicates with him, to show his device working on different places outside of his apartment.

Lets apply some rational thinking in our exotic energy search !

SAS

Very good point but this Forum is supposed to be used for the discussion of construction topics. - -  I asked Mylow but he has never ever responded to me in any fashion, even when I offered very unique information that I found two months ago that originally came from Howard. It appears that his 'sponsors' may have forbidden him to contact me. They (Sterling Allan)  told me that all communications must go through them first because "Mylow hadn't figured out how to do the email thing very well yet"  Yet when I viewed his YouTube sites he apparently had little difficulty expressing himself to others. I  think that Jim and several others asked him similarly about the presentation issue but Mylow apparently has not responded.  - - - He certainly knows how to make the video and he knows what it needs to include. I'm wondering why he did not include even the one most obvious exhibit that would have removed the vast majority of the major doubt about that one thing most people are 'sot of' wondering.  I think I know the answer to this one. - - Al Witherspoon
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Doug1 on May 03, 2009, 12:53:45 PM
Good job wattsup
  If you have the time maybe you could replace the stator mount with a plastic material to see if it is acting like a brake against the disk.
  lol I had no idea you are from the windy city. i laugh because of the pizza wars.Deep dish or thin crust that is.
 The wave form in your vid is very interesting. Would you be interested in some ideas to try out with regard to that wave? it will take me a good while to locate enough magnets to give this a whirl myself.
 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: i_ron on May 04, 2009, 12:12:56 AM
Hi guys!

Sorry to jump in here
I found the right thread finally!
snip

Lindsay

Welcome to the group Lindsay! As you may have noted it is
not to coherent or vocal, lol, I do hope someone will take up
your question/suggestion. I have the basic rotor but no
magnets so am not in a position myself. But just wanted to
say how I have always savored your TPU posts.

Best regards,

Ron
 


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 04, 2009, 12:18:08 AM
@Mylow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEM3CpeqHbc
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 04, 2009, 01:09:36 AM
I posted this on the other thread but wanted to put it here also because I feel this is where we will successfully crack this.

@all

I have been thinking and thinking and testing with my wheel to see why Mylow can do this and why we are having a harder time and I think I have finally figured it out but activating it on my Pizza wheel will be difficult because of all these neos but I gather not impossible, but I will have much better chances when I get my real aluminum wheels on Monday.

But to the builders, think about this.

We all know that when we put too many rotor segments around the wheel, we lose the individual segment motion and produce what I call the magnetic crowning effect where the magnetism is like totally the same around the whole wheel. And therein hides the answer.

I think that Mylow manages to do is put his rotors in such a manner that he is just a tad away from creating the crowning effect, which is bad for forward propulsion movement. So his rotors are set-up just off the crown effect. It is the stator that is making the final addition that sends the rotors in and out of the crown effect. When the rotors are out of the effect, their polarity exerts directionality, when the rotors fall into the crown effect because the stator now moves to a connecting position, the rotors crown instead of producing a sticky on the stator. When they crown, their effect is neutral permitting the rotor to pass the stator as if they were not even there.

I think this is where we have to concentrate our skills to perfect or permit the stator to make the crown connection because this is exactly like a magnetic on/off switch. Crown on, let stator pass sticky, crown off, push wheel further.

Much more fun to come.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 04, 2009, 01:57:59 AM
OK, based on my previous post here is an idea for a set or standard rotor placement procedure regardless of the wheel diameter, etc.

1) Map out on the wheel in at least 7-8 quadrants.

2) Start by adding one rotor in the center of each quadrant.
3) Then add one rotor to the left of each rotor already in place.
4) Then add one rotor to the right of each two rotors already in place.

5) Once you have three rotors in place, try the stator and see if you can go through a segment. Try it in each segment. Even if the stator sticks on the exit this does not matter, as long as it can move through the first two.

6) Then add one rotor to the left of each three rotors already in place.

7) Then repeat step 5 through each segment. If all goes well and the stator can pass through the first three magnets, continue.

8) Then add one rotor to the right of each four rotors already in place.

9) Then repeat step 5 through each segment. If all goes well and the stator can pass through the first four magnets, continue.
 
10) Then add one rotor to the left of only one of the five rotors already in place. This means add only one rotor to only one segment.

11) Then repeat step 5 through each segment. If all goes well and the stator can pass through the first rotors even if it sticks to the last, continue.

12) Then repeat steps 10 and 11 adding only one rotor at a time and then doing the stator test.

13) Eventually, when you add another rotor, you will then notice that the stator no longer travels through any of the segments because you are now in the crown effect. Remove that rotor and this is where you will need to be when you then experiment with the stator positioning.

14) If you want, you can then place the removed rotor in another segment just to see if the crown effect comes back. If it does, remove it and try it in the next segment. If it does not, leave it there and add another rotor. This will reinforce the notion that the crown effect will happen and you need to stay just one rotor out of it.

But the general idea si for all builder to use a standard rotor placement logic. Guys that already have fully populated wheels that have the stator moving through all the segments but still sticking on the outlet can simply use this procedure as a guideline to add a few more rotors to the wheel. You may be just a few rotors away from the crown effect and need to come a little closer to it.

All the best.

wattsup
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 04, 2009, 02:22:44 AM
To share a thought that seems to lead me where I want:

I've been trying to cause an offset gradient at each rotor segment, like the Mylow segments display. That is the 'sweet spot' is near one end of a segment and when released the stator 'wants' to go to the other end of that rotor segment with more than expected acceleration.

Or to use current terminology: The crown is near one end only of a segment.

The way working for me - place a rotor mag - place the next one with a gap of about two-thirds of the mag width. Each gap after that is 'very' slightly less.This has been easy with small groups of rotor segments but the more mags in the segment the lower the difference. I have no idea how this could be possible on his current build.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Mannix on May 04, 2009, 02:23:51 AM
Just a note of encouragement here.


I am of the, as yet un validated opinion that the alluminium disk is vital .

If i can find a big  alluminium disk around I will join in the build fun with you guys here.

This is  a small step but a very important one ...every replication is a step towards where we will be ...the question is when... and how many steps...and how many step!

Grab those old vcr's from the bubbish heaps  as the bearing assemblies are always good

The best to you all

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 04, 2009, 04:47:49 AM
Stealth is reporting some success in replication.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3965-mylow121363s-johnson-motor-3.html
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: IotaYodi on May 04, 2009, 04:51:41 AM
Quote
Eventually, when you add another rotor, you will then notice that the stator no longer travels through any of the segments because you are now in the crown effect
Would there be some way of removing or discharging the crown effect?
 Im only researching magnetic fields at the moment, but I found a statement made by Ed L. on magnetizing rods in both the South and Northern hemispheres. If a rod is magnetized in the North,the magnetized south pole part on the rod is longer. If its magnetized at the equator they are equal. Would I be wrong in assuming that it would have the same effect on any shaped magnet? It would seem if you were trying to use the "Center"  of a magnet as a guide for building anything,then it would throw things off. Sweet spot as it were.
Or is this negligible?
 Has anyone tried a weaker northpole at 180 degrees +or- minutes,seconds,as an offset, for attraction,just barely enough to attract,along with a  southpole repel?
Title: Are the replicators aware that there are two stator magnets that are offset?
Post by: wopwops on May 04, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
I've noticed that replicators seem to be using one stator magnet, which is different from what Mylow is using.

I grabbed a frame from one of Mylow's recent videos that shows the two stator magnets and the offset between them. This is obviously one of the keys to the operation of the thing.

Title: Re: Are the replicators aware that there are two stator magnets that are offset?
Post by: nyctuber on May 04, 2009, 05:39:28 AM
I've noticed that replicators seem to be using one stator magnet, which is different from what Mylow is using.

I grabbed a frame from one of Mylow's recent videos that shows the two stator magnets and the offset between them. This is obviously one of the keys to the operation of the thing.

He started off with one stator working motor.. Two is supposed to make it a self starter. LRCan1's mylow backup page: http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1
Title: Re: Are the replicators aware that there are two stator magnets that are offset?
Post by: nyctuber on May 04, 2009, 05:40:17 AM
repost
Title: Mylow crop circle has appeared
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 04, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
At ridgeway near Avebury England April 2009 a crop circle has appeared showing the pattern of the second Mylow motor. What is even more astonishing is that a second circle near Roundway Hill England also from April 2009 shows the pattern of the IPMM disc I've been experimenting with lately: the whirling moons I use on my rotor plate and the circles in the middle where I use ringmagnets these days to investigate the possibility of a magnet motor. How remarkable: aliens confirming our research into the different rotor set ups for our magnetic engines!

I have constructed a Mylow rotor assembly to replicate his engine. The second version of Mylow killed my scepsis. Alas has Mylow stopped his YouTube uploads and account. Project magma does not exist anymore. He coudn't take the heat any longer and has restarted underhttp://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1  with more video's. So I will try a replication. I do not have the proper magnets yet, but will first conduct a few experiments with the stuff I have.

Crop circle Photo's © Lucy Pringle:
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/apr.shtml
My IPMM thread (with the IPMM crop circle):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4449.new.html#new
Stirling Allen confusing the Mylow Circle with the IPMM circle:
http://pesn.com/2009/05/03/Mylow-magnet-motor_crop-circle/

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Hoppy on May 04, 2009, 02:54:18 PM
@ AnandAadhar

At least it keeps the lads off the street at night and out of the pubs - LOL.

Hoppy
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: IotaYodi on May 04, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/LRCan1

Not the offset I meant.  They look the same size and strength which may not work.  Plus they look to be in close proximity which would basically just turn it into a larger field if the polarity is the same. And if the crown as someone mentioned, is induced into all the magnets creating an equilibrium in its entire circumference to eventually stop the motion, then that setup may not work. If the crown is indeed stopping it, then probably it needs to be discharged or overcome by some type of mechanical magnetic kicker underneath the plate to keep the momentum going. Or possibly another geared stator thats thrust into place after so many revolutions. My apologies if this has been stated previously.
 A time lapse video with magnetic film, and a steady revolving motorized plate would tell you how fast the crown accumulates if it hasn't been done yet. All field interactions should be photographed in my opinion and databased.
 In retrospect on the weaker opposite polarity stator,this may disrupt the crown but eventually degrade the magnets over time.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: IotaYodi on May 04, 2009, 09:41:09 PM
Apparently mylows machine is working with this configuration. The question now is how long can it run.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
What's that near the table leg that can be seen at 7:51 - 7:53 in his latest "last" video ??
Why the brown cardboard or placemat? It wasn't there before, in the non-running glass table vid.
See how light that stator mount assembly is. How is it pushing the wheel, without itself being pushed?
Once again, either the stators are NOT providing the pushing torque, OR the device violates Conservation of Momentum, and is hence the most momentous discovery since the chronometer.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 04, 2009, 10:09:23 PM
Hi all.

I just watched withgreat care and attention- Magnetmotor1 (MyLow)'s latest vid.
I think its a superb vid and id like to share this observation-
1. Yes Defo 2 stators, slightly appart and offset by approx half the width of one of the stators.
2. he articulates that stators are approx 2.5" gapping away from the surface of the rotor magnets upper most surfaces.
3. the rig on initial start-up, seems to take ages to begin accelerate, and it looks like the rig(platter as he calls it) seems to energise before it can attain an acceleration force;- for accelerate it does.
4. my best guess on max speed attained before he stops it- 75-80 rpm.
5. from last (previous to latest vid), there are wear marks on base of the centre bearing support that look like rub marks from the outer race of his single bearing device- i note it's shielded with some sort of elastopolymer dust/grease cover. if its dragging, y, and is it deliberate or an oversight? it could go even faster unless that drag is its vertical mass support and it has to bear on something since the bearing shown has not shoulder to sit the rig(platter) onto.
6. it was easier to stop than he made out.
7. the spacing gap between the sets of rotor magnets line-out on the alu platter, i think give time to phase loop and repulsing field and maybe producing some variant  of induction.

Any thoughts u guys/gals? ???

Chris(newbie)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 04, 2009, 10:21:46 PM
Why the brown cardboard or placemat? It wasn't there before, in the non-running glass table vid.
A. he says to stop the stator arm/mount from slipping.


Conservation of Momentum, and is hence the most momentous discovery since the chronometer.
[/quote]

Could be Al. Hope so eh. Worth 1200 of anyone's dolla.

U could replicate this one without a motor, with proper bearing, poss a linear bearing, no/yes?

It could be a 'Runner' as we say inthe trade!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 04, 2009, 10:27:23 PM
Mylow (Magnetmotor1) indicates that the stator(s) are being pulled down onto the rig(platter)

How could that be if the device is acting in a repulsive mode unless the early stages of rotation somehow energise the whole device prior to its acceleration phase?

I know the acceleration is really low down on the scale of things, but there is no dout is does acccel.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2009, 10:28:06 PM
Only now, there is danger of the stator mount slipping? But not before?

Once again, what's that near the table leg at 7:51 - 7:53 ??

Want to bet this video disappears soon?

Yes, I could still reproduce what's been shown. Especially if I am allowed to use a placemat, carpets, glass tables with big crossbeams. But they aren't strictly necessary.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 04, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
Funny how ur apparent and completely understandable scepticism is exactly the same feeling lots of forum members had over the OC-MPMM device shown over a year ago, and after Harvey's comments over at Fizzx, are being shared again by some (me not included it that since i have not enough info on it all)

Mylow seems quite gen guy, not terribly articulate, but has on the surface of it, built a superb device that i think merits further investigation- and less taking the micky out of.

Ur last vid- The challenge, was more theatre than science if u dont mind me saying, and u loaded ur 'replication' with so much equipment one could only sigh and dismiss.

I read all ur postings over on Fizzx, and in the early days u seem sincere and curious to explain the WhipMag rig- y so negative now Al/TK?

Come on- use that fantastic kit that u have access to, and make an exact replica of Magnetmotor1's device and show the world what true Scientific Method application can produce.
C
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 04, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
@ Tinsel Koala/ Al

Looked again, with larger screen and u 'Whats that at 7.71-7.53

I think its the split of the moulding on his large television  base thats in the corner- a piece of the fascia i think.
 its got definate curved shape to it.

well spotted tho hawk-eye.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 04, 2009, 11:31:23 PM
Only now, there is danger of the stator mount slipping? But not before?

Once again, what's that near the table leg at 7:51 - 7:53 ??

Want to bet this video disappears soon?

Yes, I could still reproduce what's been shown. Especially if I am allowed to use a placemat, carpets, glass tables with big crossbeams. But they aren't strictly necessary.

It was interesting what you did with the electric motor to show it won't cause  platter rotation immediately, that's something I didn't know. But Mylow definitely had his hands off his device much longer, with no spin at all. Add to that the fact that he took it apart before and after and I don't see how it could possibly be fake. That's not to say a skilled person couldn't fake it if so desired, but Mylow doesn't appear to be that guy.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 12:25:14 AM
Funny how ur apparent and completely understandable scepticism is exactly the same feeling lots of forum members had over the OC-MPMM device shown over a year ago, and after Harvey's comments over at Fizzx, are being shared again by some (me not included it that since i have not enough info on it all)

Mylow seems quite gen guy, not terribly articulate, but has on the surface of it, built a superb device that i think merits further investigation- and less taking the micky out of.

Ur last vid- The challenge, was more theatre than science if u dont mind me saying, and u loaded ur 'replication' with so much equipment one could only sigh and dismiss.

I read all ur postings over on Fizzx, and in the early days u seem sincere and curious to explain the WhipMag rig- y so negative now Al/TK?

Come on- use that fantastic kit that u have access to, and make an exact replica of Magnetmotor1's device and show the world what true Scientific Method application can produce.
C

These are fair points and I will address them.
The "OCMPMM" thing comes up a lot. Have you ever seen the movie, "Fight Club"? The situation is something like that. Let's put it this way: You aren't going to see me and "al" in the same room, at the same time.
You may recall that about the time of the "OCMPMM" heyday, an imposter (from Italy, I believe) registered and logged on to this forum using the nick "alsetalokin", and even ripped off a poor-res copy of Al's little Tesla Coil Wireless Power Plant that he used as his icon on FizzX. I think Al got pretty pissed off about that, but never mind. So the "alsetalokin" nick, on this forum, was taken, and in the rudest way.
Now, when I saw the outrageous BS wombat trail that Archer Quinn was leading everyone on, I signed up here and I made him (and everyone else) the same offer: One Thousand American Dollars to the person who showed a running "Sword of God", or any gravity wheel or magnet or combo wheel. But I put a deadline on that one: 3 months AFTER the promised 20th of June date (Archer's birthday.) I've still got the money, needless to say, and not a single person even tried to take it.
What gets me riled up is when these people solicit funds and start profitting from their escapades. I wasn't concerned about MyLOW until Sterling started selling plans for a "working" magnet motor. I wasn't concerned about Archer until he started potty-mouthing off and trying to sell stuff and accepting money.
The only possible similarity between Al's behaviour and device, and MyLOW's, is that they both showed a machine that LOOKED LIKE it was doing something unusual. Other than that, their behaviour has been completely different. Believe me, if Al or anybody else tried to profit from the OCMPMM, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. (insert winky here)
Oh, and there's also the fact that Al's implementation of OC's basic design idea revealed some solid and replicatable interesting magnet behaviour that nobody expected, and indeed has what is called "face validity" for extracting free energy from the motion of magnets. And this behaviour, let me repeat, has been independently replicated and has shown reduced rundown friction. Correct me if I'm wrong, please...

I've got a pretty darn close replication of the MyLOW platform; I used a different axle and bearing arrangement, and a solid chassis to keep the whole thing together, because stupid me, I thot that the stators would have to _push_ against the rotor to turn it, and I wanted exactly repeatable positioning instead of MyLOW's intuitive subjective methods. But now I see that I will have to duplicate his bearing and mount, because it seems to me that his should be more tippy than it is, and I'd like to investigate this.
Now, it takes me 10 or 15 minutes to set up a new config of rotor magnets, and then at least 10 minutes for a single powered rundown trial with instrumentation. (BTW I have some pretty graphs of rundown RPM vs time already.) And I won't even consider making a conclusion unless I have at least 5 trials in a given config. And I have a day job, and I try to sleep occasionally. Yes, the challenge to MyLOW, while serious, is mostly theater, but the research is real, quantifiable, quantitative, and repeatable. And, so far, as I have said, I have seen no hint, in this type of device, of any net positive thrust. And I have asked for the other replicators to report if they have seen any increased rundown times from any circular arrangement of magnets like this--well, you've seen the responses.

Yes, MyLOW seems sincere. So does Uri Geller. Yes, unlike Uri, MyLOW's device merits further investigation. Especially since it violates CofM, and I can think of a bunch of ways to get extremely rich really fast off of that fact alone, even if it cannot be scaled up.
Too bad...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 05, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
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Too bad...
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@TK:
I think you're right in doing the replication correctly and backed up with scientific data. We'll be even more excited if you can truly and independently verify MyLow's discovery is no AQ phenomena!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 12:57:24 AM
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Too bad...


@TK:
I think you're right in doing the replication correctly and backed up with scientific data. We'll be even more excited if you can truly and independently verify MyLow's discovery is no AQ phenomena!

cheers
chrisC

Mee too, because I will be vewwy vewwy rich, and I won't be bothering you all any more.

Here's an example of the rough graph output of my latest toy, the Chimpo tacho. Just a screenshot, not a processed graph. The left axis is RPM x 3.8 (I get higher resolution at slow speeds that way). A powered runup of a blank mylow disk, no magnets. At about 620 seconds, I position an Alnico horseshoe stator magnet in just about exactly the position of one of Mylow's stators, a bit over 2 1/2 inches above the disk, pointing down. Then at about 710 I remove it. Then I pull the motor drive away from the wheel and let it rundown on its own. You can really tell a lot from these graphs. See the impulses from the clutch at the acceleration end? And the nice rundown curve--I think I've proved that air resistance goes as the square of velocity while bearing friction is linear, as is eddy current drag.

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 01:00:08 AM
Can somebody please tell Stefan that his new format is all screwed up and doesn't format the page properly anymore?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 05, 2009, 01:03:30 AM
Mee too, because I will be vewwy vewwy rich, and I won't be bothering you all any more.

Here's an example of the rough graph output of my latest toy, the Chimpo tacho. Just a screenshot, not a processed graph. The left axis is RPM x 3.8 (I get higher resolution at slow speeds that way). A powered runup of a blank mylow disk, no magnets. At about 620 seconds, I position an Alnico horseshoe stator magnet in just about exactly the position of one of Mylow's stators, a bit over 2 1/2 inches above the disk, pointing down. Then at about 710 I remove it. Then I pull the motor drive away from the wheel and let it rundown on its own. You can really tell a lot from these graphs. See the impulses from the clutch at the acceleration end? And the nice rundown curve--I think I've proved that air resistance goes as the square of velocity while bearing friction is linear, as is eddy current drag.

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.

Well, wouldn't we have saved hundreds of threaded pages and thousands of hours of debate if MyLow had given you his disk!
That's the real world unfortunately and people are uniquely different at how they see and react. Keep more coming!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 05, 2009, 01:06:54 AM
Can somebody please tell Stefan that his new format is all screwed up and doesn't format the page properly anymore?

Yes I agree. My Sony laptop is 1600 pixel across and I use Chrome and the  photo. attachments don't show up!

Also, I told Stephan that the Orange/Red is really too harsh on the eyes.
That's just my opinion.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 02:05:02 AM
@ Tinsel Koala/ Al

Looked again, with larger screen and u 'Whats that at 7.71-7.53

I think its the split of the moulding on his large television  base thats in the corner- a piece of the fascia i think.
 its got definate curved shape to it.

well spotted tho hawk-eye.

Hmmm---reluctantly, after further examination (about a hundred more views) I have to agree. What I was seeing does seem to end before the floor, so it must be on the TV cabinet.
There are a couple other anomalies in that video, though, but I think I'll keep them to myself just now; I don't like the taste of my sock.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 05, 2009, 02:28:50 AM
TK I have watched this saga for some time.
 The game here appears to be using the fields to cause an offset in the normal balance.
Even the new set up is the placement of them stators to be clipping the fields of the stator magnets. Notice in the original he is using a close game. Three rotor magnets to his stator magnet: or three poles two two. Now he uses the stator as the three to his group of rotor magnets.
 I am not sure how to put what I am trying to say:

 It is a game of the push pulls reacting to were the normal game of out is equal to in.
In theory he is getting an increase in velocity out of the set that over comes the in of the next, or reversed of what I said.

 My problem with this whole thing is there would need to be a delay for such to work. I see no way one can be done in this, short of them magnets doing a full disconnect in field from the normal.  This thing as shown would work only due to both sides of the magnets interacting with the other set. 
I could be wrong. Yet no replications and no independent observer.  Both are bad for Mylow. LOL I still do not see or find a way such could be replicated.

 He needs to stop trying to prove it is not a fake (motor or other device) and get down to how it works, if it does.
Pay attention to the one show of stator arm. It does appear a line all the way down the aluminum bar on one side, like a wire, or other mark.  Just some thing that makes me go HMMM.
As for OCPMM or WM
"let me repeat, has been independently replicated and has shown reduced rundown friction. Correct me if I'm wrong, please...":
I will personally verify this part.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vonwolf on May 05, 2009, 02:36:50 AM

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.
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T/k;
   You left out Wash & Wax your Car, Simonize your Furniture and Mow Your Lawn.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 05, 2009, 03:34:14 AM
in case all you home replicators who don't own a machine shop didn't notice this on yahoogroups,

www.atecousa.net

aluminium rotating cake pan 60$ includes ball bearings and heavy-duty base...

have fun!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 05, 2009, 05:21:53 AM
@vonwolf

Mylow just showed you a device that just saved you 30 years of R&D. I think that is a pretty good head start. I'll take that any day.

@TK

There is a difference between a Replicator and a new term I will coin as "Replifaker". So which one are you now. This thread is for the guys that will be building this device and those that wish to honestly collaborate.

@nyctuber

Sorry but you are not welcome here as you will soon be banned from this topic entirely. Please refrain from posting here.

@all

ANY POT SHOTS AT MYLOW WILL BE REMOVED. That's it you guys.
This thread is for guys that have MADE THE DECISION TO BUILD THIS WHEEL. We are not asking ourselves, is this real or not. You have no business here if this is your main concern or if you are waiting for Mylow to have it third party tested, then please wait somewhere else. Any more mention of this and your post will be removed. Enough time has been WASTED. Or do you not understand what a builders thread really is. 

@all

I just ordered four ceramic bearings for my wheel. It took a long while to find them in Texas. lol

OK, if there are any guys out there that have good experience in inertia motion considerations, we need to understand something about Mylows wheel.

OK his wheel has,
1) rotors
2) the aluminum disk
3) A center support disk about 3" dia.  by 1/2" thick under item No. 2.
4) A cylinder that is 2" dia. by about 3"-4" long that is under item No. 3 and has a bearing inside the bottom end.
5) A base that is about 3" dia. by 1/2" thick that has a center protrusion going into the bearing bore hole.
6) 1 is secured to 2 on the outer edge.
7) 2 and 3 and 4 are secured together via 3 aluminum bolts.

So what is happening here in his wheel that is different from my pizza wheel. Well my wheel is secured to the bearing right away. His bearing is at the base of the cylinder. My wheel is a wheel. His wheel is more like if someone was turning an open umbrella by the handle.

So the question is, what would be the difference between (for this consideration) two identical rotors and wheels, one that has a bearing in its center and the other that has a bearing at the base of an extended cylinder. Does this one fact help the process? i am thinking that my wheel is more 2 dimensional, whereas Mylows seems to be more 3 dimensional. Are there other forces at play in one more then the other.

This is not an easy question. Please think this over carefully.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 05, 2009, 07:37:15 AM
Useful :


http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/MagneticMotors/Mylow/v2.0/Photos/

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MYLOW:Plans:Version_2.0
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 05, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
Wattsup, I apologiized to Mylow personally and havent said anything negative, I don't get the threat to ban me.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 05, 2009, 09:04:30 AM
Wattsup, I apologiized to Mylow personally and havent said anything negative, I don't get the threat to ban me.

@Wattsup

I hope you'll reconsider not banning nyctuber. He was frustrated like many, not knowing whether MyLow was for real or not. He was not jealous of MyLow and sincerely wanted to see the real stuff work. Thanks.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
Well, you can call me a "replifaker" if you want, but don't forget: I've got REAL data, replicable, quantitative data. For example, I can answer wattsup's question about the differences in bearing mounting geometry, because I have tried both methods, taken real instrumental data on them, and even tried some other arrangements that haven't been mentioned here. I have magnets virtually identical to many of the ones Mylow has claimed to work, and I have tried many configurations of these and other magnets, and I have taken real data on these configurations. This represents, by this time, literally hundreds of hours of work.
If you want to repeat my work, without knowing what I have found, or how I've done it, I suppose that's wattsup's privilege as a moderator. You'll just have to wait for my videos, I suppose.
Or, if you like, you can look at an example graph I posted in the main thread last night, which shows a major effect from eddy current drag on the plain Mylow disk from the stator magnet alone. Any Mylow configuration will have to overcome this eddy current drag, or somehow convert it into thrust, and without other moving parts or electronics I assure you this is impossible.
But you certainly don't have to take a "replifaker's" word for it. By all means, go do your own research and replications. Just be sure that you are taking objective data, not just watching a disk bounce between gates. Otherwise it's a meaningless waste of time.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 05, 2009, 02:07:54 PM
Another replication in progress:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=99751032&albumId=2772166
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: tournamentdan on May 05, 2009, 04:32:54 PM
I have a question that I can not get out of my mind. In the video you can tell that the stator magnet stand is very light, and he said that the stator magnet is pulled down by the other magnets but when there are no magnets under the stator and the magnets on the wheel are off to both side's shouldn't the stator mag get pushed or pulled over.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: magneticveil on May 05, 2009, 04:42:22 PM
mylows motor on a glass table

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCeQ8bwmcE&feature=channel_page

not sure if everyone has seen this..
just trying to be helpful
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ezzob on May 05, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Remember :)

http://www.magnetsales.com/Design/Calc_filles/PullAndPushBetween2RectMagnets.asp
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 05, 2009, 05:46:19 PM
After reading this thread this morning, ROTFLMAO.
I suspect the mod will not be pleased with my reply:

One:"Mylow just showed you a device that just saved you 30 years of R&D. I think that is a pretty good head start. I'll take that any day."

 You have seen a video of a spindle with a disk with magnets attached with a separate arm with magnets attached. It spins, CLAIMED to do so on its own.
 So far no
PROOF.

TWO:"There is a difference between a Replicator and a new term I will coin as "Replifaker". So which one are you now. This thread is for the guys that will be building this device and those that wish to honestly collaborate."

 Wow what are you replicating? How can it do as claimed?? Do you think just placing magnets on a disk will replicate this??
 
Any true replicator will start with the basics as shown. Magnets attached to a disk on a spindle.  Most will then try to space such to try and get what is claimed. Of course such does not get what is claimed from what has ALREADY been done.

What always is a problem with such: is simply the replicators do not have the equipment, and or (Some times) the knowledge to go past the point of just trying to reposition the set up.

 If any one thinks such is a true replication attempt, You are wrong.

 Magnetic fields are such they will act in specific actions and reactions.  For this thing to work very specific things must be happening.  What are they.   

As for shots at Mylow: Well fact are he did not even know what his magnet poles were in the beginning.  He has yet to allow some one else to actually view the item to verify it.  He has yet to show that spindle taken apart. Hell his brother could have played a trick on him with such as the spindle.

 The main thing in all of this with this thread is the "what are you replicating?". What are the why of it actually having a chance to work?

 
 For them replicating: the measurements of your set up should be recorded, and posted in such as this thread. Your observations should be shared with the rest.

 The methods this whole system is using, needs some direction. Most folks can not do the cost of equipment for measuring velocity changes or even counters for revolutions and so on.  Yet even the basic layout and measurement, magnets used should be kept in such endeavors.  Observations and notes that show a variation from the other replications should be shared.

 Like I said, A good laugh this morning is what this thread has given me.

This thread is about replication of a device shown in a video,  yet so far all attempts show it can not be done, and even show the why of such not being able to be done.
 
  Yet belief, not science or even basic tinkering is in play on this and other sites.  For you folks thinking you can replicate this, please keep notes and observations. By a lot of such information, if such is real, others may be able to use such to aid in there endeavor.   Missed set ups tell a lot, if real, and if not real, they will tell why it is not.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vonwolf on May 05, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
@vonwolf

Mylow just showed you a device that just saved you 30 years of R&D. I think that is a pretty good head start. I'll take that any day.


Hey wattsup;
  I didn't mean anything negative, I'm on Mylow's side on this. I do not think Mylow owes any more than he has given.
   It looks like he is just trying to be honest and I hope he keeps going in the face of all this negativity.
  I don't know if it will go any where but Mylow has done his part, he owes me or  anyone els nothing. If people think its fake prove it its not up to Mylow to defend himself, I know he dose not work for me.
   Sory if it look like I was flaming him as I said I hope he dosn't give up.

   Pete
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Ah, censorship. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Orwell would be rolling in his grave. Congratulations. You won't be hearing any more about my "replifaketion". And you also won't be able to build a working Mylow motor--because there isn't any such thing.
Bye bye wattsup.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 06, 2009, 01:51:30 AM
Ah, censorship. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Orwell would be rolling in his grave. Congratulations. You won't be hearing any more about my "replifaketion". And you also won't be able to build a working Mylow motor--because there isn't any such thing.
Bye bye wattsup.

BULLSHIT!!!  TK, u r a respected person in this forum, keep osting
 
@ Watts , hope you didnt pay to much for those bearings http://vxb.com/
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 06, 2009, 02:01:13 AM
Ah, censorship. The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Orwell would be rolling in his grave. Congratulations. You won't be hearing any more about my "replifaketion". And you also won't be able to build a working Mylow motor--because there isn't any such thing.
Bye bye wattsup.

@TK

Er, why let some over enthusiastic replicators get on your nerves? You know you have the expertise and tell the truth and I sure appreciate your candor too.
If you just leave like this, aren't you duplicating the behavior of MyLow? I hope you will reconsider. Thanks

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 06, 2009, 06:26:40 AM
@X00013

Not too expensive but they are the perfect size for this project and they have stock. Lots of sites I called list many ceramic bearings but have few in stock. Mine are only ceramic ball bearings with non-magnetic metal casing. I will use only two of them in the base and keep two on hand for a second build.

@TK

The rule is very easy. DON'T ATTACK MYLOW. SIMPLE. You can call this censorship (which it is not) or whatever else you want but there are many ways of saying what you want to say without resorting to low blows. Please figure it out.

As for my Replifaker remark, you know exactly why I said this. No need to resort to ultra-drama. You could have just agreed saying something like "Yes, I should have thought twice on that one" instead of brandishing this data thingy. Anyways,
you decide.

@nyctuber

OK, I got your PM and from your explanation and understanding we will not ban you. But please keep in mind that at this stage, you are on a type of probationary period. Same goes for all those mentioned by Mylow.

Now can I get back to my work bench. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 06, 2009, 07:17:55 AM
http://www.sandsmachine.com/alumweb.htm
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: newbie123 on May 06, 2009, 08:08:19 AM
Has anyone attempted to replicate Mylow's setup?   Has anyone succeeded?  It would great to see some actual replication threads started... Even if the attempts fail, it might be useful information for others.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 06, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
Has anyone attempted to replicate Mylow's setup?   Has anyone succeeded?  It would great to see some actual replication threads started... Even if the attempts fail, it might be useful information for others.

LOL! you must be new around here! ;D

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 06, 2009, 11:31:53 AM
I have a question that I can not get out of my mind. In the video you can tell that the stator magnet stand is very light, and he said that the stator magnet is pulled down by the other magnets but when there are no magnets under the stator and the magnets on the wheel are off to both side's shouldn't the stator mag get pushed or pulled over.

The point is that Myow's machine has a 'smooth' operation: the sticky points occur because of the magnetic quality of the plate in a reduced manner and thus is the stator pull also minimal to the left and right. But there is a track consistency with the magnets that tends to vibrate - remember the ticking version - if you hold them without the arrangement or in a loose stator arrangement. Therefore says Mylow that it is pulled down, not sidewards. It is in the resistance that the stator arrangement offers that the track pulls itself under along the stator arrangement. Would the stator be allowed to vibrate with the track, the movement would stop. This is what I am observing with my present tests.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 06, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
I emailed sandsmachine.com to see if they could machine a base with bearings similar to mylow's, to go with the aluminium plates...

I suggested his demand will pick up next week if he can package the base with the plate

 ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 06, 2009, 03:10:44 PM
@watts: definition of "discussion":
http://dictionary.die.net/discussion

In my mind, this definition allows, nay requires, contrarian views. The statement you deleted, right after LC's excellent post, did not attack Mylow, it only challenged him.
I find it really ironic, but absolutely typical, that I am the one accused of "faking" something, and even being flamed and yes, attacked, when I am posting (or was posting) real results and pointing out how Mylow could be faking, and the inconsistencies in his behaviour and statements.
Like I said before, suppression of the truth is definitely happening in the free energy/ overunity research area. You can see it right here before your very eyeballs.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ramset on May 06, 2009, 03:33:42 PM
TK
Sir
 What specific truth[being suppressed ] are you talking about?
Chet
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 06, 2009, 04:14:29 PM
Hi
first point ...all those attempting replications I would have a vertical adjustment for the stator rig as well....I think Mylow suggested it.
As for some of us who were critical of the earlier video's...although Mylow took offence to it he did listen and then produced the most credable video's to date on a glass table and pulling it appart. This went a long way to convincing some of us hard core skeptics that he was geniune and answered many of our questions.
On a personal note, I am not sure why he has not allowed an independent evaluation or testing. This would put everything beyond doubt. I believe this is a reasonable request given some of the past claims we have endured from others over the years
Mark
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: utilitarian on May 06, 2009, 04:33:41 PM
TK
Sir
 What specific truth[being suppressed ] are you talking about?
Chet

The truth that there good reason to doubt MyLow's invention.

There really seems to be a lot of reliance on faith, which is very unscientific.  An amateur claims to violate a well-established, basic, law of physics with an invention so simple that surely, if that invention was capable of violating the laws of physics, someone would have done it already.

The response from the youtube community (aka your average person) is "not likely," as it should be.  The response from actual scientists, well there is none, because a real scientist would not devote 5 seconds of time to this crap.  But here it's like people are rallying behind this guy, when all we have is videos.  Not a single replication.

I do not know if you have ever seen magic on TV, but do you think it's really magic, or there is some trick?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on May 06, 2009, 05:06:10 PM
Hi
first point ...all those attempting replications I would have a vertical adjustment for the stator rig as well....I think Mylow suggested it.
As for some of us who were critical of the earlier video's...although Mylow took offence to it he did listen and then produced the most credable video's to date on a glass table and pulling it appart. This went a long way to convincing some of us hard core skeptics that he was geniune and answered many of our questions.
On a personal note, I am not sure why he has not allowed an independent evaluation or testing. This would put everything beyond doubt. I believe this is a reasonable request given some of the past claims we have endured from others over the years
Mark

Yes, I'd say that this is a pretty darn credible replication, being the second one that I have seen since 1978....... As for this:"On a personal note, I am not sure why he has not allowed an independent evaluation or testing. This would put everything beyond doubt" .... I think you know the reason already but if you care to hear what's going on concerning this I can clue you in.

Alf
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 06, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Sorry @TK but taking pot shots at Mylow as you did in that post via his wife, his cat, his bird is not in the forums' best interest. Why can't you not see this for what it is instead of hiding behing suppression statements. What did I supress. You insulting Mylow. If that is suppression, then so be it my friend, but the words came out of your mouth, not mine.

You fail to understand that when an inventor like Mylow is on this forum, we as a host must assure that he is well treated. We have no choice. We're not saying kiss anyone's ass. You have a divergence of opinion, Say so, but just treat the guy with respect. The guy went through years of wheeling his magnets to get to this point and guys just jump all over him with so many jump-the-gun statements. Unfortunately we did not do a good enough job in this case and we see the outcome. The majority of @members here do their utmost to keep this forum in a respectful stance to then attract the right guys that have somethign new to show, only to then leave it to some newbie or redneck to hack away at the guy. This is the danger of free forums but the abuse has to stop otherwise this forum will go the hell in a handbasket.

I dare any member here that thinks this is supression to go back to post No. 1 of the main thread and read through the first 135 pages which I have been "cleaned" to my best ability, then continue on through all the other pages up till the present which has not been cleaned thus far due to lack of time and I also wanted to wait for @stefan to return and try and patch things up with Sterling. I dare you to do this and then come back and tell me which posts and the resulting rebuttals after page 135 shoud be removed. Just try it.

@TK you can just read from page 135 onwards cause I imagine you don't have the time to read it all, but anywhere that the word Mylow is used, replace it with @TK in that you are the inventor and you are the one being attacked.  Tell me how cozzy you will feel after all that to then tell me if you would continue on with this through this venue.

Then, if you think I find it pleasing to have to baby sit a forum of adults when I prefer spending my time doing my own research and trials, then this is another big mistake. But someone had to do it and I can tell you that in the future this will be the norm and not the exception especially if someone comes in to make a disclosure. For this we will need another 2-3 more moderators cause I ain't doing this alone, no way. But the chosen moderators will have to have a minimum history on the forum. Maybe some can ponder this while we work out the fine points.

In a nutsheel, the only thing important here is the wheel. All this other stuff is only facts of life that could have been ignored but have been discected to hell and back. Mylow says he received 3000 e-mails and guys start analysing this comparing it with video views and say that is impossible the guy is not honest. Cripes. It was only a figure of speech like when you say "I am getting millions of calls meaning you are getting way more then you can really handle and you are overwhelmed". But guys just take every chance or excuse to analyse everything about anything and all you get into is one big mess and one pissed off inventor. The wheel. Concentrate on the wheel. That's what Mylow or any other inventor would expect of you guys to do. Not to meddle in every wink or furt.

@stefan has banned members outright from the whole forum for less then 10% of what has been going on on this thread. We used to have a very respectable forum because there was a low tolerance to smut and also a low tolerance to hard core, insulting skeptics. That's when this forum really shined. That's where we need to go back too.

Anyways enough said. I am not saying anything anymore about this. I will just refer members to this post. The rule applies to all including you AND me.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 06, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
You may delete this post, edit it and so on.

"Same goes for all those mentioned by Mylow."
WTF??

So if he disagrees with some one, or if he mentions some one, they are on the list??

 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 06, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
TK
Sir
 What specific truth[being suppressed ] are you talking about?
Chet
You'll have to ask wattsup--he deleted the post I made, right after LostCause's nice long post.
I think I may have pointed out that a thousand dollars cash will buy a lot of cat food and bird seed.
But there were some other truths in there too.

@wattsup: Go ahead. Replace all instances of "Mylow" with "TK" and I will be glad to address each and every case. For one thing, if I actually had something that behaved like Mylow's wheel, for the reasons he says it does, I would take TK's money in a heartbeat, just to see him eat crow and shut up.
Wouldn't you?

(And, if you will only recall correctly, it was Mylow who first involved his cat, his bird, and his wife in this topic. Since he brought them in, I say they are fair game. Could you, just for the record, quote a "pot shot" I took at them, so the rest of us will know what to avoid?)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: newbie123 on May 06, 2009, 10:38:44 PM
How many people have bought his plans, and attempted a replication?



The truth that there good reason to doubt MyLow's invention.

There really seems to be a lot of reliance on faith, which is very unscientific.  An amateur claims to violate a well-established, basic, law of physics with an invention so simple that surely, if that invention was capable of violating the laws of physics, someone would have done it already.

The response from the youtube community (aka your average person) is "not likely," as it should be.  The response from actual scientists, well there is none, because a real scientist would not devote 5 seconds of time to this crap.  But here it's like people are rallying behind this guy, when all we have is videos.  Not a single replication.

I do not know if you have ever seen magic on TV, but do you think it's really magic, or there is some trick?

I think this is strange too...  In reality, people have absolutely no scientific reason to believe this guy's claims UNLESS they have seen it working in person, or replicated his experiment themselves...        People are going by this logic...   "He seems like an honest guy, therefore he must be telling the truth"      and even...  "The MIBs tried to interfere with his experiments, therefore he must be telling the truth!"  ...  This is just weird!   

There is a  (small) chance his magnetic motor works, and might not be in any violation any known physics laws... Or it could work and be utilizing new physics..   But until I see a few independent working replications I will have serious doubts.      I'm always extra skeptical about people trying to profit from their designs designs (who talk about MIBs, etc)..  Especially when nobody has produced a working replication!



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 07, 2009, 04:53:07 AM
Someone's replication, just a start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j89GaFDnllk
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 07, 2009, 04:57:13 AM
The stator magnet is easily available and it goes by the name of Arc Magnet for motors.

Example:
http://www.made-in-china.com/china-products/productviewkqDxuVsbrgcZ/Arc-Ferrite-Magnets-for-PMDC-Motors-Y10T-20-.html

More:
http://images.google.com/images?q=arc+motor+magnet&btnG=Search+Images
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 07, 2009, 05:27:51 AM
The stator magnet is easily available and it goes by the name of Arc Magnet for motors.

In these videos Mylow talks about the magnets obtained from the DC motor.

This video shows it the first time, but says its not magnetized the right way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXaaw63l520&feature=channel_page#t=08m45s

This video shows it mounted on the stator arm and it's been re-magnetized the right way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm-oVrVBRGY&feature=channel_page#t=03m40s
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: corona on May 07, 2009, 06:54:45 AM
you should remember though that mylow's stator magnets, while they are from a motor, have been remagnetized. This has been mentioned by sterling on a number of occasions, they were remagnetized with a device from allmagnetics.com if I recall correctly. Most motor arc magnets will have N or S on the inside of the curve / outside of the curve, where now mylow's have the poles at each end of the arc, so N and S are at the points.

Andrew

Edit: I'm guessing it was done with this: http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/magnetizer.htm
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 07, 2009, 07:24:03 AM
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
That makes it somewhat difficult to get that stator.

Another replication attempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5okwNTmaU
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 07, 2009, 07:39:08 AM
@ dixiechick, this is who i am  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebm4HQ95GHk


     
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 07, 2009, 07:48:46 AM
Hey Mylow, this says it all for you,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFJIBtqunHY
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 07, 2009, 08:06:47 AM
And if nothing else, watch this next link, and listen to the quote at the end, and I do mean listen to the end quote,  http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_what_went_wrong_at_the_lhc.html
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 07, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
That qoute hits home when it comes from an engineer working on a 20 billion dollar piece.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 07, 2009, 09:43:04 AM
@watts: definition of "discussion":
http://dictionary.die.net/discussion

In my mind, this definition allows, nay requires, contrarian views. The statement you deleted, right after LC's excellent post, did not attack Mylow, it only challenged him.
I find it really ironic, but absolutely typical, that I am the one accused of "faking" something, and even being flamed and yes, attacked, when I am posting (or was posting) real results and pointing out how Mylow could be faking, and the inconsistencies in his behaviour and statements.
Like I said before, suppression of the truth is definitely happening in the free energy/ overunity research area. You can see it right here before your very eyeballs.

I agree with TK that a critical attitude must be allowed. We have to discriminate between criticism and offense. Offensive - to be banned - posts would be using the wrong words - personal attacks - to voice disappointment and cynicism. Criticism would be to test the alternative of dealing with a hoax we must always be aware of. So giving up the offenses we should not forsake our critical attitude. I myself became less critical about Mylow after his second version. I call what he does the overunity moment. There can be accidentally a constellation of parameters that gives overunity, but it is momentary because the know how is not really there: we don't know all the parameters to control and therefore cannot replicate it reliably.

In this search we are looking for the definitive formula for defining the time energy of the universe. My present stance is that maybe Et= Lr x Vr, or, in straight language: the energy of time in the universe is the product of a linear rotation like in a channelled HJ track setup and a vortex rotation like in a Hamel or IPMM set-up. This adds up with the linear rotational movement of planets and moons relative to the spiral vortex rotation of a galaxy.  Two different kinds of rotational force that each for themself offer only a overunity moment, but together properly combined in a machine may add up to reliable spin and overunity energy. In such a setup one would prove that the material, electromagnetic universe is intrinsically rotational. One thus may prove and catch the energy of time itself. This is all theory of course and maybe b.s. for that reason. But this is  the hypothesis I think is interesting to test with Mylow's magic. We are always testing theories in an experimental situation. So what is the correct theory, what is the correct formula for the kinetic energy we are looking for? What law of nature is so elusive that we can't get hold of it as yet, but we still give credibility intuitively?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on May 07, 2009, 01:59:31 PM
How many people have bought his plans, and attempted a replication?



I think this is strange too...  In reality, people have absolutely no scientific reason to believe this guy's claims UNLESS they have seen it working in person, or replicated his experiment themselves...        People are going by this logic...   "He seems like an honest guy, therefore he must be telling the truth"      and even...  "The MIBs tried to interfere with his experiments, therefore he must be telling the truth!"  ...  This is just weird!   

There is a  (small) chance his magnetic motor works, and might not be in any violation any known physics laws... Or it could work and be utilizing new physics..   But until I see a few independent working replications I will have serious doubts.      I'm always extra skeptical about people trying to profit from their designs designs (who talk about MIBs, etc)..  Especially when nobody has produced a working replication!



 Hello Guys and Gals. The 'Scientists' in the community are a needed element of safety and should take care to maintain a strict and professional focus on the accuracy of their observations. As well, the category within the Forum where these observations are noted should be appropriate and not such that is an over the shoulder menace. While the element of scrutiny serves a useful purpose it is the responsibility of those who assume this responsibility not misdirect and misapply their opinions. This sort of practice often produces damaging effects to the overall effort which has been launched in the direction of finding a solution.

   Aside from the views about authenticity..... being skeptical about the MIB stories might certainly be understandable since it is likely foreign to the reality of most individuals. However, persons of skepticism in regard to this matter should be preparing themselves to live that reality more than they ever thought possible. Also I would like to clarify the stance that Mylow himself has on the issue of 'profit' There has been and will be no attempt to by by him to profit from this venture. So far this endeavor has only been an expense and he is fine with this. He doesn't even hold any aspirations for so much as recovering his previous or future investments in the venture. There are some however who have, as well as others that might try to exploit the situation. Such intentions are well beyond his wishes and tolerance. Please be aware that he does not approve of this and will not condone it in any way. I certainly do not approve of it either. There are perhaps different forms or greed. 'Monetry' is just one. Intellectual control is another. 

It is not necessarily the responsibilty of the inventor or developer to justify a device by explaintion of theory or fact, except perhaps to the effect of simply producing a working unit. I saw a reference to the word 'amature' or 'amatuer' within this forum area as is pertains to Mylow. Well, Mylow may not even see himself as being to that level yet and has indicated such on more than one occasion. However, please do not let yourselves exercise the belief that the level of what some may refer to as education, intellect or professionalism or what have you, carries any weight with regard to an individual's right to attempt or accomplish results. That is a totalitarian point of view which is of direct and intolerable conflict with this effort to simply help humanity. No, of course I am not pointing the finger at YOU, and you know this:)

There 'may' presently successful replications of this type of design as well as others. Some are presently in use and others have been in use for a VERY long time. Those who possess these replications of the Mylow and other versions of PMM's also fortunately have sense enough to know that it is not presently prudent to divulge details within this type of venue as well as most others. However, such a time is painfully near and these functional devices will be revealed.

Please also keep in mind that this technology specifically IS and WILL be continued to be suppressed from the public. Showing the adversary that you possess the 'means' is usually a workable tactic but waving it around single handed and unloaded is an invitation to massacre.

There is more to this idea of making a PMM that most people realize. It is one of the gateway components to something far more fantastic.

Meanwhile, keep working and consider the secrets of the snowflake.

I hope that you can read between the lines.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
you should remember though that mylow's stator magnets, while they are from a motor, have been remagnetized. This has been mentioned by sterling on a number of occasions, they were remagnetized with a device from allmagnetics.com if I recall correctly. Most motor arc magnets will have N or S on the inside of the curve / outside of the curve, where now mylow's have the poles at each end of the arc, so N and S are at the points.

Andrew

Edit: I'm guessing it was done with this: http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/magnetizer.htm

Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2009, 02:35:36 PM
@Alf:
Maybe those who have working designs know it isn't prudent to disclose them on the internet. But surely some of the people that do post, would be able to post real results that hinted that success might be near...like some magnet configuration that gave increased rundown times, or greater steady max speed when driven with known power, or some such. Sure, many people post subjective impressions that something might seem better than something else, but nobody has been able to show measurements that support even an approach to success.  Is it a situation of "all or none"? Is the correct configuration so sensitive that it works, but even the slightest change causes it to fail completely--?? So replication attempts aren't like shooting an arrow at a target, where even if you don't hit the bullseye you still get some points, but rather like shooting the arrow thru a knothole. No graceful degradation, no gradual approximations??
Then explain how Mylow got 8 different configs, with all kinds of magnets to run, when the rest of the open researchers haven't been able to produce, well, broccoli.

Then again, maybe there aren't really any magnet motors that run, prudent or not, and that knothole is really just an illusion.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: corona on May 07, 2009, 03:00:36 PM
Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.

You've got me there, that's a very good point that I hadn't considered, shame on me. So this leaves us with an unknown condition of the stator magnet fields - were they measured after trying to remagnetize them? Did mylow know if their fields were aligned to the new direction he desired, or did he just assume? I guess we don't really have any way to know for sure....just like all too many other variables here. If only it was easier....but then I guess my first replication would have just worked if it was that easy.

Andrew
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: 0c on May 07, 2009, 03:50:26 PM
Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.

There are some Alnicos that are less sensitive to demagnetization, check the specs for "Alnico 8". Some can approach the demagnetization resistance of ferrite. As far as heat is concerned, Almost all Alnicos are more resistant than ferrite.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: corona on May 07, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
but yeah, the point tk was making was that any magnet used in a dc motor would have to be made from a material grade very resistant to degnetization, else it would be no use as a dc motor magnet.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: cameron sydenham on May 07, 2009, 05:06:03 PM
nothing is more dangerous!!!!!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 07, 2009, 06:03:39 PM
Well I got my two disks yesterday, one 1/4" by 18" and one 1/2" by 18". My friend with the water cutter is not charging me for the cut, only the metal.

The second one will go to a metal shop to have a groove made on the edge so i can mount rotors on a sliding method instead of gluing them. I am still waiting for my ceramic bearings that have a 0.625" bore and have two of them put into the center cylinder base.

I also have the smaller disks that go under the large disk and also that make up the lower base.

Now I have to make a final decision on magnets and away I go for some more testing and trials.

This will be a very very close to Mylow replication as far as the wheel/base goes. Regarding the magnets, I am now very convinced that once the wheel is made with the lower an extended base as the rotation point, the rotors/stator will not really matter. Mylow already showed that his same wheel can work in various ways. So the main key to this is not the magnets but the wheel form as I had mentioned on a previous post.

Seems based on this that guys that are making magnet-to-magnet wheels using a solid shaft or axle type confiuration will never work because this will not afford the same play. But I'll get into that further when I have my wheel running. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 07, 2009, 06:26:34 PM
TK and corona,

You made a good point. And I also think that its not possible to re-magnetize that Arc magnet using the Remagnetizer shown in that link.

http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/magnetizer.htm
The text says:
Alnico magnets can lose their magnetism if dropped, stored without keepers, or while demonstrating repelling magnetic poles. Instead of throwing these valuable magnets away, remagnetize them! The Remagnetizer restores the magnetism to Alnico horseshoe and bar magnets in just a few seconds. No electricity required.

Only bar and HS supported. You can clearly see there is a divider in the slot, so an arc magnet won't fit into it. May be Mylow got them remannetized from somewhere else, if at all he did that. These stators look too much like ferrite.

Anyway, this does not imply that the motor is non-working, only that Mylow could not tell what and how he did it exactly.....
Until an expert gets there, we will not know. Fortunately there are only two possibilities, so we can try both, one by one.

I continue my replication attempt. Sourcing stuff right now. :)

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Hoppy on May 07, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
Video 17 1.38 to 1.57 says it all for me. Listen carefully to all his words during this sequence.

Hoppy
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 07, 2009, 08:46:36 PM
Video 17 1.38 to 1.57 says it all for me. Listen carefully to all his words during this sequence.

Hoppy

Can you please provide a linked reference to video 17? Thanks.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Hoppy on May 07, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
Can you please provide a linked reference to video 17? Thanks.

cheers
chrisC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 07, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAs4-rQXQjU&feature=channel

Thanks Hoppy. So, what is your conclusion? I take it you meant he's adjusting some kind of aided mechanism? I thought he was aligning the spindle. We can speculate for all we can but the ultimate proof is whether someone else with a good pair of hands and the same set up can get it going or that MyLow will let some learned person/s investigate further. Anything else is conjecture and if you even think otherwise, you might be subjected to censorship!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Hoppy on May 07, 2009, 10:32:26 PM
Thanks Hoppy. So, what is your conclusion? I take it you meant he's adjusting some kind of aided mechanism? I thought he was aligning the spindle. We can speculate for all we can but the ultimate proof is whether someone else with a good pair of hands and the same set up can get it going or that MyLow will let some learned person/s investigate further. Anything else is conjecture and if you even think otherwise, you might be subjected to censorship!

cheers
chrisC

That's it Chris, he's clearly aligning the spindle.

Hoppy
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AbbaRue on May 07, 2009, 11:36:54 PM
Neo. magnets 2.5mm thick can be purchased for very cheaply.
If these were placed underneath the Alnico magnets they would  keep
the Alnico magnets magnetised without changing there physics.
Just a thought to consider.
Also one could construct steel parts in the exact shape and size needed
and place Neo Magnets under the steel parts to magnetize them.
This is based on the assumption that neo magnets themselves are to
strong for this device.
 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: tournamentdan on May 08, 2009, 03:06:09 AM
Hey guys and girls, can I ask a question? Lets say if mylows motor works, and that is a big IF. But lets say it does. From the videos it looks like there is not much torque for this motor. I doubt that it will turn a generater. So it will be just a big paper weight that spins.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: corona on May 08, 2009, 03:11:07 AM
Hey guys and girls, can I ask a question? Lets say if mylows motor works, and that is a big IF. But lets say it does. From the videos it looks like there is not much torque for this motor. I doubt that it will turn a generater. So it will be just a big paper weight that spins.

That's really a question for the other thread - this one is about the building of replications. The mod should probably move it, and this reply, over there.

But beside that, ANY form of continous self spinning is the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century, because it turns upside down the conventional scientific view of how magnets work. And while it might not be able to turn an alternator, it will certainly turn a hobby motor, and they work fine as a generator. Who's to say what is and isn't an amount of power worth generating, and if a small one works chances are you can scale it up to turn a bigger generator.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: tournamentdan on May 08, 2009, 03:29:20 AM
That's really a question for the other thread - this one is about the building of replications. The mod should probably move it, and this reply, over there.

But beside that, ANY form of continous self spinning is the biggest scientific breakthrough of the century, because it turns upside down the conventional scientific view of how magnets work. And while it might not be able to turn an alternator, it will certainly turn a hobby motor, and they work fine as a generator. Who's to say what is and isn't an amount of power worth generating, and if a small one works chances are you can scale it up to turn a bigger generator.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   I am sorry you are right, I should have sent that to a nother thread. Let me ask you a nother question . I thought his motor was a scaled up version. I just can not see something that big power something so small. So my question is, doesn't a perpetual motor have to over come the energy that made the magnets?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: corona on May 08, 2009, 03:52:45 AM
We don't know yet, because we don't know the effect on the magnets. If with good material magnets it does not demagnetize them, and it can spin continously, even if you only get a pico-watt of continous energy out of it, it will eventually make up for the amount of energy taken to make the magnets, and keep on going. But like I said, too much is unknown about the mechanics behind the process.
And regardless, even if it never makes up the energy taken to make the magnets, it still turns conventional magnetic theory on its head, because the text books state it's impossible to get continous motion with just magnets - ie they say magnets can't store and release energy (although it's recently been scientifically shown that energy can be stored in magnetic spin (http://www6.miami.edu/UMH/CDA/UMH_Main/1,1770,65985-1;66008-3,00.html)

Sorry about the OT,
Andrew
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 08, 2009, 08:43:48 AM
Hey guys and girls, can I ask a question? Lets say if mylows motor works, and that is a big IF. But lets say it does. From the videos it looks like there is not much torque for this motor. I doubt that it will turn a generater. So it will be just a big paper weight that spins.
Don't you see that this is just a baby step, to have something that just has enough power to turn itself.  Once it's proved to the world that it does turn by itself, it will be analyzed by scientists and engineers to figure out why it turns. And once they understand the principle they will expand on it and make it more powerful!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 08, 2009, 01:31:24 PM
1/4" 18" x 18" 6061 T6 Aluminum Plate $55.92 + ship

http://www.midweststeelsupply.com


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: petersone on May 08, 2009, 01:39:30 PM
Hi Justalabrat
You are right of course,but not a baby step,getting from 99% to 101% is a small step for man but-----
Neal Armstrong, I think
peter
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 08, 2009, 03:12:53 PM
A study into Mylow's strategy of positioning the rotor magnets. Picture 1 shows how measured from the middle of the bars there is a deviance relative to the mechanical center of spin of about 2mm. Picture 2 shows the alignment with zero deviance when we measure the positioning from the edge of the magnets in the top row to the middle of the magnets in the opposite row.

This would support the theory on the operation that the offset of the center of magnetic spin from the center of mechanical spin might be decisive in catching the time energy of space. Abstracted: Et=Rl x Rv. In words: The machine produces pure time energy as a product of the linear channelled rotation (Rl) of the magnetic track combined with the vortex effect of an off center magnetic focus (Rv).

Doing tests of my own show that setting off the center of magnetic spin facilitates the spin in one direction at the cost of the other (including stator polarity reversal). Thus there is directional preference depending the positioning of the magnetic focus.  This can thus work in favor as much as it may work against operation.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: tournamentdan on May 08, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
A study into Mylow's strategy of positioning the rotor magnets. Picture 1 shows how measured from the middle of the bars there is a deviance relative to the mechanical center of spin of about 2mm. Picture 2 shows the alignment with zero deviance when we measure the positioning from the edge of the magnets in the top row to the middle of the magnets in the opposite row.
                                                                                                                                 It looks like in those pictures the camera is not at a 90 degree angle of the mechanical point. Which would give an illusion of the deviance. I like what you are doing but we would need the actual motor to get such measurement.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 08, 2009, 04:37:17 PM
                                                                                                                                 It looks like in those pictures the camera is not at a 90 degree angle of the mechanical point. Which would give an illusion of the deviance. I like what you are doing but we would need the actual motor to get such measurement.
I don't know if you've ever heard of stereometrics. It doesn't matter what angle you look:  three points making a straight line stay a straight line whatever your spacial operation of angle.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: broli on May 08, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
It's a good thing he doesn't go on the media yet. It's best to have numerous replications first. Then the report will contain "even searching on youtube we find numerous replications of this motor", which is a big thing. And I bet them telling it's completely open source ready to be build by anyone will blow some heads off.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: waynegage on May 09, 2009, 12:50:04 AM
It's a good thing he doesn't go on the media yet. It's best to have numerous replications first. Then the report will contain "even searching on youtube we find numerous replications of this motor", which is a big thing. And I bet them telling it's completely open source ready to be build by anyone will blow some heads off.
In one of the videos Mylow said that no one would be able to replicate his motor.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dean_mcgowan on May 09, 2009, 02:47:02 AM
In one of the videos Mylow said that no one would be able to replicate his motor.

Un-replicable huh .. I wonder why ?

Anyone starting to think there is a motor hidden somewhere ?

I have my bullshit meter hitting the redzone over here .. anyone want to come and check that its
calibrated correctly ?

Cheers,

Dean
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dean_mcgowan on May 09, 2009, 02:51:47 AM
A study into Mylow's strategy of positioning the rotor magnets. Picture 1 shows how measured from the middle of the bars there is a deviance relative to the mechanical center of spin of about 2mm. Picture 2 shows the alignment with zero deviance when we measure the positioning from the edge of the magnets in the top row to the middle of the magnets in the opposite row.

This would support the theory on the operation that the offset of the center of magnetic spin from the center of mechanical spin might be decisive in catching the time energy of space. Abstracted: Et=Rl x Rv. In words: The machine produces pure time energy as a product of the linear channelled rotation (Rl) of the magnetic track combined with the vortex effect of an off center magnetic focus (Rv).

Doing tests of my own show that setting off the center of magnetic spin facilitates the spin in one direction at the cost of the other (including stator polarity reversal). Thus there is directional preference depending the positioning of the magnetic focus.  This can thus work in favor as much as it may work against operation.

I admire your effort however i think you have failed to take into account distortion from the angle the photographs were taken and the lense distortion. The results of your investigation are most likely as skewed as the angles.

Maybe you could attempt to compensate but it would be quite an accomplishment to get all the details for mylow to assist you.

Cheers,

Dean
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 09, 2009, 04:06:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wQOSl8G3yA

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on May 09, 2009, 04:21:16 AM
I admire your effort however i think you have failed to take into account distortion from the angle the photographs were taken and the lense distortion. The results of your investigation are most likely as skewed as the angles.

Maybe you could attempt to compensate but it would be quite an accomplishment to get all the details for mylow to assist you.

Cheers,

Dean

Doesn't look too distorted to me dean.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 09, 2009, 04:28:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIAJhuDV1cg&NR=1


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 09, 2009, 04:29:55 AM
I strongly recommend that experimenters try to use some standard method of giving that initial starting impulse to their wheels. The "hill" terminology is appropriate here: if you start at the top of the hill, you are ignoring the energy it took to get up the hill in the first place: which is imparted by Mr. Hand and is impossible to quantify. Just because it feels like nothing, when you're at the top of the hill, that means you are ignoring all that magnetic PE that you stored in climbing the hill in the first place--and which will be returned by the slightest tiny push over the "top".
So, the way to tell if your modifications are helping or hurting, is to use some method for Climbing the Initial Hill that is standardizable, repeatable, and measurable, instead of the manual positioning at hilltop method. You've got to start in the Valley!!
I use 2 methods, and they are both illustrated in my videos. Winding a string a known amount around the axle or edge, and letting a known weight on the string pull the disk up the hill and over, imparts a known starting force that can be precisely repeated from trial to trial. A simple stopwatch can be used to time the time it takes for all disk motion to cease. If your magnets are helping, it will go for a longer time, yes?
Or, if one has access to the instrumentation, one can run the disk up to a known RPM with a motor drive of some sort, and record a graph of rundown  RPM vs. Time using a tachometer and stopwatch, or direct data logging to the computer. If the magnets are helping, even if the time isn't longer, the shape of the rundown curve might be different, yes?

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 09, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
Mylow started the instructional videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprrKlzCoN4&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 09, 2009, 06:46:02 PM
TinselKoala
Were as the advice of an initial measurable input to the device is great, one would need to set up a timer counter system also.

 In other words a device to measure certain intervals of the full turn by counting, and a precise timer per count.

 Such would almost have to be computer set up to log the data.  Optical systems would be easier to do such with.  This is were I had to stop with prior devices as such in not easy available out there.


 Reason for this would be that some variations may show a partial gain in velocity, were becomes destructive to such later. Using such a system could easily show were if any gain happens and were such points are destructive.

 Yet again not an instrument that is easy to find on the market at a reasonable price. Maybe some one out there might set up plans for such or a kit.  So far the closest to what I am talking about would be a usb tach, but they leave a lot to be desired.  A more triggered system to angle of the rotation is needed.  The velocity changes need to be seen, both the up hill and down to the valley.
LOL With all these spinning devices such could be very use full.

 And of course this still does not even cover the basics of just how much torque is needed to start a clean table, and how much torque with a loaded table etc...

 Simply put the ideas of replications with out instrumentation is like taking a good guess, simply put its a gamble of 1000 monkeys trying to type the complete works of Shakespeare by chance.

And of course this statement must be included:
In the case of the type of stuff we all play with; It still the game of is it real to begin with. ROTFLOL

 


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on May 09, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
Mylow has started instruction videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprrKlzCoN4

Thanks Mylow!!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 09, 2009, 09:44:48 PM
Perhaps this method, when not a fraud, would be easier to copy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdWkn1m-4w&NR=1
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 10, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
Hi all. ;)
Does anyone else (in case its just me!) wonder if all of MyLow's rotor manets are oriented the same way on the Luminum base/disk?
What i mean by that is, in all other rotational device(s) like this, and in arrays, the last magnet almost always produces a sticky point or negative gate to the system, and i just wondered if perhaps, the last magnet at each end of the series of rotor magnets is oriented differently to give that final push off from the stator, before the next series of rotor comes into play. Esp since this is a classic two series rotor magnet motor, almost like the series are acting as twin poles?

Just a thought. Chris
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TAOB on May 10, 2009, 11:21:04 PM
@ Chrisbis36

Actually think you may have something there.
Also to note, that Mylow hand sets his magnets on the platter and does not use any usual setting template or jig to gap them.
Bit strange that, unless there's a really good reason for 'hand' alignment, most of us builders would be setting out any magnets with almost millimeter precision.!! :-\
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TAOB on May 10, 2009, 11:32:47 PM

Also, on his latest vid where he has Sterling rig next to his, he describes how the Sterling bar mags are a lot smaller than his Magnetmotor1 magnets, but they only look a margin shorter and thinner than his, so y the big deal?
Does he have some magic formulae for the calculation of bar magnet to platter dimension i wonder?
Plus, all his bar rotor magnets have got a chamfered edge(leading as the rig rotates clockwise) on them, so what does that chamfer indicate?
Poss, N/S pole configuration?

Or is this the secret to the edging of magnets that HJ aluded to in his patent?
Note for all replicators maybe.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisbis36@yahoo.com on May 10, 2009, 11:42:48 PM
Personally i think there's a real strange vortex at play here, and MyLow noted that when he was messing bout with the loose bar magnet on the top of the platter.
In the middle, he noted a self turning magnet interface coming into motion on the magnet as he held it in his hand.
This clearly shows the huge spread of domain fields and the extent of their reach.
Here i feel, as the rig turns, the interaction of the stator, sets up a huge vortex that changes as the series rotor magnets come in and out of play, poss shaped like a disk across the face of the aluminum disk/platter(as he calls it)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 10, 2009, 11:44:14 PM
Also, on his latest vid where he has Sterling rig next to his, he describes how the Sterling bar mags are a lot smaller than his Magnetmotor1 magnets, but they only look a margin shorter and thinner than his, so y the big deal?
Does he have some magic formulae for the calculation of bar magnet to platter dimension i wonder?
Plus, all his bar rotor magnets have got a chamfered edge(leading as the rig rotates clockwise) on them, so what does that chamfer indicate?
Poss, N/S pole configuration?

Or is this the secret to the edging of magnets that HJ aluded to in his patent?
Note for all replicators maybe.

According to Mylow, the width of the bar mag rotors needs to be 2 stators plus a gap, with the 2 stator design. The bar magnets are through magnetized, N or S pole facing up.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 12, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE6jA2wjDEo&feature=channel_page

He comes very close to a successful replication.
Notice how there seems to be no sticky point there on the entry to the smaller segment.
I have high hopes now :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2009, 05:52:28 PM
According to Mylow, the width of the bar mag rotors needs to be 2 stators plus a gap, with the 2 stator design. The bar magnets are through magnetized, N or S pole facing up.

2 rotors plus a gap would be the two rotors and the gap between them, then you would also have to add the next gap as well. That would technically make 2 rotors plus 2 gaps wide for the stator. If the gap is half a rotor width, we could summarize by saying the stator it three rotor widths.

On the other end, if the rotor is 2 inches long, each stator shoudl be 1 inch.

This is what I understoond from one of his build videos.

But then again, I am sure any slight variations of the above could be easilly compentated for by putting the stators closer or farther apart, higher or lower. That will be the main work.

Added: I just received my 4 ceramic ball bearings. Now ready to give all parts to my metal shop guy and get this wheel finished while I order my magnets. All in good time.

Bearing Specs:
Brand: Unknown
Model 6202 5/8th
Bore Dia.: 0.625"
Bearing Dia.: 1.378"
Bearing Height: 0.433"
Ceramic Bearing Color: Black
Supplier: Bearing Kinetics Inc.
Web Site: www.bearingkinetics.com
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AbbaRue on May 12, 2009, 07:21:56 PM
If you drop a strong magnet down a copper pipe the magnet falls in slow motion.
This is because the magnet falling creates an electromagnetic field in the pipe.
I believe this principle is at play here on the aluminum disk, 
and is overcoming the sticky spot in the gap. 
I know this has already been mentioned here before, but I just
wanted to mention, this is my theory on how this works too.
Another consideration here is the Faraday Disk principle.
Magnets attached to a conducting disk set up a Faraday Disk.


Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl believes permanent magnets collect cosmic energy and transform it into magnetism.
If this is true then a Permanent Magnet Motor doesn't violate any laws of physics,
it is just an energy collector like a solar cell. 
We just need to find a way to harness the energy collected.

Keep up  the good work, I think we're on to something here.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 12, 2009, 07:52:43 PM
2 rotors plus a gap would be the two rotors and the gap between them, then you would also have to add the next gap as well. That would technically make 2 rotors plus 2 gaps wide for the stator. If the gap is half a rotor width, we could summarize by saying the stator it three rotor widths.

On the other end, if the rotor is 2 inches long, each stator shoudl be 1 inch.

This is what I understoond from one of his build videos.

But then again, I am sure any slight variations of the above could be easilly compentated for by putting the stators closer or farther apart, higher or lower. That will be the main work.

Added: I just received my 4 ceramic ball bearings. Now ready to give all parts to my metal shop guy and get this wheel finished while I order my magnets. All in good time.

Bearing Specs:
Brand: Unknown
Model 6202 5/8th
Bore Dia.: 0.625"
Bearing Dia.: 1.378"
Bearing Height: 0.433"
Ceramic Bearing Color: Black
Supplier: Bearing Kinetics Inc.
Web Site: www.bearingkinetics.com

Good luck
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 12, 2009, 07:54:31 PM
If you drop a strong magnet down a copper pipe the magnet falls in slow motion.
This is because the magnet falling creates an electromagnetic field in the pipe.
I believe this principle is at play here on the aluminum disk, 
and is overcoming the sticky spot in the gap. 
I know this has already been mentioned here before, but I just
wanted to mention, this is my theory on how this works too.
Another consideration here is the Faraday Disk principle.
Magnets attached to a conducting disk set up a Faraday Disk.


Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl believes permanent magnets collect cosmic energy and transform it into magnetism.
If this is true then a Permanent Magnet Motor doesn't violate any laws of physics,
it is just an energy collector like a solar cell. 
We just need to find a way to harness the energy collected.

Keep up  the good work, I think we're on to something here.

Dropping a magnet in a tube results in RETARDING the motion of the magnet, due to the induction of eddy currents and their opposing magnetic fields in the material of the tube. Conversely if the magnet is stationary and you try to slide the tube over it, the tube's motion will be retarded.

I have shown that the mere presence of a stator magnet in Mylow's position retards the motion of the disk by around 40 percent--that is, the eddy drag makes the disk stop 40 percent faster than it would with no stator in place.

So, Mylow has hit upon a configuration that not only provides considerable thrust (so much that even when the stator mount is removed, he still has to keep the wheel from turning with his hands; see the glass table video) but also neutralizes this eddy drag (which, BTW, should be slowing down the disk in the gaps between rotor magnet groups...but it doesn't...) or converts it into thrust.

And he's done this in EIGHT, no, now NINE different configurations of magnets.


Do Professor Meyl's "beliefs" generate any testable hypotheses? What exactly is "cosmic energy?"

Do you think that rotor magnets turning with the rotor disk will set up a Faraday Disk? And, if so, how could this produce thrust without external input of power, since there aren't any brushes or axial feeds? What's being pushed against to generate thrust? It isn't the stator on its mount; that is clearly too light and unsupported to create thrust on the disk.

Are those ceramic bearings the exact duplicate of what Mylow has in his motor?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2009, 09:27:50 PM
@AbbaRue

There may be a link but the stator is rather far from the alu-plate and I do not know if the magnet/copper tube effect could be extended also to aluminum.

I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.

@nyctuber

Thanks.

@TK

No. Mylows bearing is standard. He did mention once about ceramic bearings so this is why I wanted to used them. I figure metal bearings on metal casing will cause some drag if it is magnetised whereas ceramic bearings will not.

@All

I am putting up a build spec on my wheel as I will also use this to give this to the machine shop. You will notice I have two wheels that I will try out, plus the smaller discs and center cylinder are bigger then Mylows dimensions. I have done this on purpose as I want to see if more mass creates more inertia under the same non-fixed-axled wheel design and if it will afford the wheel some gyro effect.

"We shall see", said the blind man.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AbbaRue on May 13, 2009, 03:02:10 AM
@Wattsup
Quote
I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.

 This is the principle behind the VTA.
He reprogrammed the magnet to oscillate at 60 Hz.
Then collected power from it using resonance.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 13, 2009, 06:38:00 AM
@AbbaRue

Could you please expand on this idea and please explain what is a VTA.
I'm kinda lost.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 13, 2009, 07:17:42 AM
http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/

Seems this one is working too..... :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 13, 2009, 08:24:35 AM
http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/

Seems this one is working too..... :)

Congratulations MyLow! Wow, everything he touches turns into gold! Must really be the man with the midas touch. Well, I'm going to guess that most replicators won't be able to make theirs work because somehow the aluminum disk used is actually supplied by some aliens(?).

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I do have the same magnets used by MyLow off-the shelf bought at Home Depot and mine didn't turn any heads!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 13, 2009, 08:31:20 AM
Chris:

I saw the report over on Sterling's site but have not seen this latest video anywhere.  Do you have any links to it yet?  That bird is not named Lucky for nothing. He may be the secret to the whole thing.

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 13, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Chris:

I saw the report over on Sterling's site but have not seen this latest video anywhere.  Do you have any links to it yet?  That bird is not named Lucky for nothing. He may be the secret to the whole thing.

Bill

Sorry Bill. I have not seen the video yet. My take is that Sterling must be the only one who has seen it otherwise how could he have posted the confirmation? Maybe he had visions of MyLow's continued success? Mine is myopic!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 03:21:05 PM

There may be a link but the stator is rather far from the alu-plate and I do not know if the magnet/copper tube effect could be extended also to aluminum.

I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.


See this graph? At about 630 seconds I bring a stator, identical to one Mylow uses, into position above a blank (no rotor magnets) disk. The stator is about 3 inches above the disk, just like his. You can see the RPM drop. Then I remove the stator and you can see the rpm increase. Then I remove the motor drive coupling and you can see the disk rundown without any magnet influence. If I had left the stator in place for this portion it would be 40 percent faster--that is the disk would stop that much sooner. The drag is significant and definitely noticeable with aluminum and at the magnet strengths and distances Mylow uses.
I can also show you graphs of Hall effect sensor signals from moving magnets. But if anybody can show me evidence of a stationary permanent magnet oscillating at 60 Hz, or any frequency, I'd really like to see it. And I know all about Floyd Sweet, thanks. I mean evidence, not anecdote.

(Left axis is RPM x 3.8, for increased resolution.)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nievesoliveras on May 13, 2009, 04:37:12 PM
@all

If you want to replicate the HJM magnet motor, go to this link where mylou himself is giving exact and precise instructions on how to build his replication.
http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1

Jesus
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
So, it won't be long before the successful replications start pouring in, then. Will it.
In fact, Mylow makes it look so very easy, that it does seem just a little bit strange that nobody's done it yet. Doesn't it.
And it also seems strange, now that he's going so public, that he won't have a couple of engineers look at his running one, so that he can take my money and make me look silly.

Doesn't it?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 13, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
So, it won't be long before the successful replications start pouring in, then. Will it.
In fact, Mylow makes it look so very easy, that it does seem just a little bit strange that nobody's done it yet. Doesn't it.
And it also seems strange, now that he's going so public, that he won't have a couple of engineers look at his running one, so that he can take my money and make me look silly.

Doesn't it?
Won't you look silly if first you've tried and failed, then questioned Mylow's tutoring skills, before indeed successful replications do start pouring in?
Why not stay open for the option that some guru out there has a really good feel for something, and that his skills can to some degree be transferred on others? At least the guy has been trying persistently for a long time.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 05:13:50 PM
Won't you look silly if first you've tried and failed, then questioned Mylow's tutoring skills, before indeed successful replications do start pouring in?
Why not stay open for the option that some guru out there has a really good feel for something, and that his skills can to some degree be transferred on others? At least the guy has been trying persistently for a long time.

Yep, I'll look sooo silly, just like I did with Archer Quinn, Mondrasek, and the recent LTSpice OU threads that have vanished down the memory hole.
A thousand dollars silly, in fact, if Mylow will just have 2 scientists or engineers confirm his device. I don't even need no replications--just reputations. Then I'll look as silly as you want.
But until then, since you are seeming to accept the impossible without ANY confirmation, or even data that hints at confirmation, I think you are the one who is looking silly. But who am I to say--maybe you've been trying persistently for a long time too, Cloxxki, and maybe you have some real data to share, like I do...or maybe not.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 05:23:50 PM
TK, you have the rig, why not slap on the magnets Mylow is using in the latest videos. They're cheap, and  he's even divulged the spacing ratios. I'd like to see if you get the same swinging effect he shows with 2 rotors. If you don't see that right away, it would certainly add to the mystery.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 13, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
I'm not certain, but open. I've always thought it to be possible, just difficult.
I am hoping, not knowing, this guy's got it, and just giving us all the worse possible time over it.
If he's for real, it won't even easy to do this with the guru himself standing next to you. I bet every magnet is different, and needs to be treated as individual, like a good sports team.
We'll see. At least it's entertaining.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 06:12:29 PM
TK, you have the rig, why not slap on the magnets Mylow is using in the latest videos. They're cheap, and  he's even divulged the spacing ratios. I'd like to see if you get the same swinging effect he shows with 2 rotors. If you don't see that right away, it would certainly add to the mystery.

I think I will.
But how much do you want to bet, that my version won't work, and will only show a decrease in run time with the stators present, like all my other configs have shown? I just don't have the "MyLOW Touch", I know that already.
Of course, if I CAN get it to work, I'll be instantly rich--because I know the value of such a device--and I doubt if you'll be hearing from me any more. I certainly wouldn't be wasting time putting up YT videos. I'd be talking to my friends at NASA Ames, and calling up Marc Millis with the solution to some of his major problems...
 :-\


I'm not certain, but open. I've always thought it to be possible, just difficult.
I am hoping, not knowing, this guy's got it, and just giving us all the worse possible time over it.
If he's for real, it won't even easy to do this with the guru himself standing next to you. I bet every magnet is different, and needs to be treated as individual, like a good sports team.
We'll see. At least it's entertaining.

Fair enough. At least you will admit to a trace of doubt. And yes, it certainly is entertaining.
I'm open too, but I'd like to see proof. And what proof I've seen so far in this story has convinced me of a few things.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
I think I will.
But how much do you want to bet, that my version won't work, and will only show a decrease in run time with the stators present, like all my other configs have shown? I just don't have the "MyLOW Touch", I know that already.
Of course, if I CAN get it to work, I'll be instantly rich--because I know the value of such a device--and I doubt if you'll be hearing from me any more. I certainly wouldn't be wasting time putting up YT videos. I'd be talking to my friends at NASA Ames, and calling up Marc Millis with the solution to some of his major problems...
 :-\


If you don't see that swinging almost immediately, I would say something is very odd.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 13, 2009, 06:32:34 PM
Instant rich?
1W useful output per 2lb of machinery perhaps?
Did anyone calculate the power needed to reach such rpm's in that way? I bet your breathe is hardly any weaker.
If Mylow would sell his (when proven) setups, stator assembly firmly locked in place, that might get some dollar. Each next unit less, though.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 13, 2009, 07:32:16 PM
What a cop out

" I just got off the phone with Mylow.
He's out working right now.
From his description, he definitely has acceleration with just 6 magnets.  He said after four magnets, he started noticing something "weird", and even with five magnets, it pulled in, thrust past the stator, and made it all the way around to do it again.  With six magnets, it was accelerating until the assembly was shaking to the point that he stopped it lest it be damaged or fall apart.
 
It kind of has him freaked out, and he's hesitant to post a video showing it.  He's concerned about the ramifications of this hitting the planet and the disruption it might cause.  I reminded him that whenever a new technology is introduced, there will be some down sides, but that the benefits outweigh the potential problems.  Every car that is sold carries with it the possibility of killing its occupants.  But the benefits of transportation far outweigh the potential risks.
 
He's also concerned about his personal life.  He enjoys his simple life, and doesn't necessarily savor the idea of being thrust into the limelight.
 
He thinks of all those guys who have been working on things like this over the years, but to no avail.  I would think they would be grateful to see something actually working, vindicating what they were pursuing.  Yes, there might be some jealously, wishing they had been first, but overall there will a sense of collective accomplishment, and a thrill for the future as this technology is characterized, optimized,and implemented into practical embodiments."

Quote from Sterling
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 07:39:50 PM
What a cop out

" I just got off the phone with Mylow.
He's out working right now.
From his description, he definitely has acceleration with just 6 magnets.  He said after four magnets, he started noticing something "weird", and even with five magnets, it pulled in, thrust past the stator, and made it all the way around to do it again.  With six magnets, it was accelerating until the assembly was shaking to the point that he stopped it lest it be damaged or fall apart.
 
It kind of has him freaked out, and he's hesitant to post a video showing it.  He's concerned about the ramifications of this hitting the planet and the disruption it might cause.  I reminded him that whenever a new technology is introduced, there will be some down sides, but that the benefits outweigh the potential problems.  Every car that is sold carries with it the possibility of killing its occupants.  But the benefits of transportation far outweigh the potential risks.
 
He's also concerned about his personal life.  He enjoys his simple life, and doesn't necessarily savor the idea of being thrust into the limelight.
 
He thinks of all those guys who have been working on things like this over the years, but to no avail.  I would think they would be grateful to see something actually working, vindicating what they were pursuing.  Yes, there might be some jealously, wishing they had been first, but overall there will a sense of collective accomplishment, and a thrill for the future as this technology is characterized, optimized,and implemented into practical embodiments."

Quote from Sterling

lol

The thing is...  the last video showed everything you need to know. He used the end of a pen for the spacing, for God's sake. Mylow gave the gap ratios, anyone should easily be able to use those magnets to make a motor now. If they can't, and specifically if they don't get that pendulum cogging effect, then the phenomenon is unique to.... Chicago...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 13, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
Just wanted to point out that a plastic hasn't been disproven as a viable platter material. Mylow apparently decided the magnets used with Sterling's plastic-on aluminum setup would not work due to their small size.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 13, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
What a cop out

" I just got off the phone with Mylow.
He's out working right now.
From his description, he definitely has acceleration with just 6 magnets.  He said after four magnets, he started noticing something "weird", and even with five magnets, it pulled in, thrust past the stator, and made it all the way around to do it again.  With six magnets, it was accelerating until the assembly was shaking to the point that he stopped it lest it be damaged or fall apart.
 
It kind of has him freaked out, and he's hesitant to post a video showing it.  He's concerned about the ramifications of this hitting the planet and the disruption it might cause. ......"

Quote from Sterling

Er, I thought that soap episode was declared 'over'. Are we having a new season?

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 08:51:18 PM
Instant rich?
1W useful output per 2lb of machinery perhaps?
Did anyone calculate the power needed to reach such rpm's in that way? I bet your breathe is hardly any weaker.
If Mylow would sell his (when proven) setups, stator assembly firmly locked in place, that might get some dollar. Each next unit less, though.

You clearly don't get it, but that's not surprising. I have already detailed several ways in which a device, just like Mylow's with no scaling up, that creates angular momentum from nothing, could be used effectively in many ways that do not require drawing power off the disk.
For example, you might like to research how attitude is controlled on interplanetary spacecraft, and how this device would revolutionize that field, just as it is.
Plus, that "one watt per kilogram" is FREE. So you can just build a bunch of them, store the FREE energy and release it at much higher power levels whenever you want. (Once the initial cost of making the device is recovered, that is.)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 14, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
Another replicator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 14, 2009, 01:49:04 AM
And another replicator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWwTJ2iqzM
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on May 14, 2009, 01:51:38 AM
Another replicator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM

woo. woo! Good stuff. Looks like if they have more magnets, maybe MyLow can retire from doing demos!

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 03:11:51 AM
Unbelievable!

He pushes it with Mr Hand, it clearly slows down, and he exclaims "It's working!"

"How can I lose, with the stuff I use?"

I challenge these competent and honest, but misguided replicators, to use a standard repeatable starting system, take some real data, and tell me if ANY magnet configuration they come up with will beat an equally weighted disk with NO magnets.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 03:25:43 AM
And another replicator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWwTJ2iqzM

This researcher will definitely be the first genuine MyLOW motor replicator. I can't hold a candle to this codger.
RESPECT!!
 ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 14, 2009, 03:35:33 AM
This researcher will definitely be the first genuine MyLOW motor replicator. I can't hold a candle to this codger.
RESPECT!!
 ;D

I think open flame may be a bad idea there  :o
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: 0c on May 14, 2009, 03:36:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWwTJ2iqzM

This researcher will definitely be the first genuine MyLOW motor replicator. I can't hold a candle to this codger.
RESPECT!!
 ;D

Looks a lot like the kind of work I have done.  :'(
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 14, 2009, 05:07:44 AM
@TK...

okay....you know more than me about electricity...and you have ages more experience with this stuff than I do...

if this thing was pushing an 10 pound disc for 24 hours straight at 120rpm, how much electrical energy could you store, and how long would that energy keep a 60w lightbulb lit?

I know this question is full of holes, so fill in the assumptions and make an estimate...

for the education us regular folks...

 ;)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 14, 2009, 05:45:31 AM
@TK...

okay....you know more than me about electricity...and you have ages more experience with this stuff than I do...

if this thing was pushing an 10 pound disc for 24 hours straight at 120rpm, how much electrical energy could you store, and how long would that energy keep a 60w lightbulb lit?

I know this question is full of holes, so fill in the assumptions and make an estimate...

for the education us regular folks...

 ;)

Hmm--well, I do have some numbers. With my motor drive as shown, using that little tape drive motor, which is a brush-type DC motor with little centrifugal limiters on the armature, it draws about 160 milliAmps while running at about 120 RPM, a bit more when accelerating. And with a different motor and drive system, more like what I believe M. is using, I can cut the draw down to under 100 milliAmps. My disk and magnets weighs between 4 and 5 kilos depending on how many magnets are on it. Now, when I load that disk with the same kind of motor as a generator, I can light up a LED Joule Thief with about 20 milliamps, and the disk slows to 80 RPM or so. So figure 20 milliamps at 2 volts or so for 24 hours, into a cap bank, that's 40 milliwatt-seconds for 24 hours, that's 3456 Joules, which isn't a lot.
Er, what was the question again? Oh, yeah...the answer is not much, and not very long. About 57 seconds for the 60 watt light bulb, if I haven't dropped a decimal somewhere and assuming no losses and perfect conversions. Does that agree with your figures?

But that's not the major feature of this motor. It is creating its momentum from nothing. (The rotor is being pushed along without pushing back on the stator mount.) There are many more useful ways to use that momentum than just extracting electricity from it.

Too bad it isn't really doing it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 14, 2009, 06:12:28 AM
@TK

"There are many more useful ways to use that momentum than just extracting electricity from it."

so let's qualify the top 10 ways we can use this machine to get us off oil....

(besides, its a good way to calm you down and get stefan off your back)...

 :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 14, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
What the two Mylows  now are demonstrating is absolutely amazing: a smot with only six unevenly spaced bars leads to full rotation and accelleration of Stirlings rig!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KQ8tldXnY&feature=channel_page

I posted the following comments at this mylow video page

"You say the spacing is different, with a different gap. How did you arrive at that difference? You do not demonstrate this. Just glue it without even precisely pointing at the center? But this is truly amazing, I don't believe what i see. You two Mylows are even doubling the amazement with this smot-demo of only six! I believe now it to be real, but am at a loss trying to replicate it. It must be my material. I'll keep trying and will post as soon as I have a working copy."

"An explanation for why it doesnt work with others is that the earth's magnetic field is not equal everywhere. Maybe you're on a vortex point of the earth's magnetism somehow.. So a similar device in the neighbourhood should also work. Does it also work outside? Please show some experimenting with this possible location effect."

"Another explanation is a high voltage powerline outside or under your house...therefore please try this at other locations, or send this to Sterling to see whether is also works at his place. It is his rig isn't it?"

At the videopage before this one where he shows the glueing strategy, I posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SafNL6yqg&feature=channel_page

Indeed you are building a time machine, a kind of clock..... I have video's of my own replication, but don't load them, because I don't meet your demands. Getting the right material is a problem. My magnets are those small ones you have stacked six together like a bar, and my plate is 75 cm and of zinc (permeability half of that of u-metal, but better than aluminum). I achieved two full rotations tops with the spacing you suggest, letting go by hand, but it always cogs. Whatever I try.

So has anyone a reasonable explanation of this miracle at Mylow's?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AbbaRue on May 14, 2009, 09:45:55 PM
@Wattsup
The video on The Sweet's Vacuum Triode Amplifier (VTA)
is here:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2973947177397458172&ei=mVDuScHDLqCI-gGNuoyCBA&q=Floyd+Sweet+VTA&hl=en

32 min. into the video he explains programming the magnets.


If you google it you can find out alot more details.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 01:44:28 AM
@TK

"There are many more useful ways to use that momentum than just extracting electricity from it."

so let's qualify the top 10 ways we can use this machine to get us off oil....

(besides, its a good way to calm you down and get stefan off your back)...

 :)

You make a bunch of little ones and use their momentum to turn a much bigger flywheel. You just let that big flywheel spin up. With the appropriate transmission you can store all the momentum that a mylow wheel creates for free, over a long period of time. Then you can draw it off to run buses or even generators.
You can build little ones into reactionless wrenches.
You can use the free momentum instead of thrusters for attitude control in your interplanetary spacecraft.
You can dribble reaction mass like water down the axle, and it will be thrown off tangentially, and surely here there will be a reaction, hence you now have a thruster that needs no power, only reaction mass.
And so forth and so on.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 01:46:09 AM
(snip)
So has anyone a reasonable explanation of this miracle at Mylow's?

I do! I do!
(jumps up and down waving his hand in the air)

But I'm afraid you've already heard it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 15, 2009, 08:22:11 AM
As you guys already know:

Rotor mag outer spacing = 9 mm (average)
Rotor mag inner spacing = 6 mm (average)

Stator mag spacing(along width) = 7.12 mm
Stator mag spacing(pole to pole) = 2.35 mm

Stator height = ?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 15, 2009, 09:44:33 AM
Mylow responds to honest posting at YouTube:

Me (see also my previous posting):
The stator might have to trigger that effect from a high voltage wire outside...we don't know, we are flabbergasted. Mylow tells his brother: you tell it, you are the expert, but there are no experts in magnetic motors. Johnson is dead and the rest is either nerd, too theoretical, or not to replicate either, like with Perendev and the miraculous 'screw' motor. What can we do but keep trying and thank Mylow for taking the trouble to show us? That is what I do....

magneticmotor1:
play with the magnets under the stator and you will see what i mean.

thats going to be my next project.

yes your right it is but with larger magnet and more powerfull colbolt type it my run for a longer time.

i think it will slow down and keep that speed.

Me again:
A zinc plate works also. I have a selfsustained movement with heavier stators, but only as yet when I hold two stators extra by hand. I use 4 above a plate with six groups of five magnet bar assemblies. I have to use an uneven number though to use two stator sets alternatingly. All I have is the very small magnets. I assemble everything, stators, rotors like lego with them. Gives a lot of freedom to try. I am close to the selfstarter and will post my movie upon success. But not as long as I fail.

This is my position now. Holding by hand two extra stators to a double paired assembly with six groups of five bars on a 75 cm zinc covered plate of non-magnetic material, makes selfsustained movement possible in my case. Within a couple of days I will be regrouping the rotor magnets for seven groups, and maybe then it will work of a fixed stator assembly too. I have good hopes but no definitive experimental proof of OU by HJ-Mylow replication yet. As Mylow says, you have to believe in it and be ingenius, because each other type of material one uses demands a different configuration. I hope to post  my series of videos about this project soon (i keep a video log of the proccess)

AA

I changed my mind and have loaded a preliminary replication movie of what I am doing. Mylow specifically asked for it. so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 03:08:09 PM
The key words being, of course, "holding by hand."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXpEqoDJDbM
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 15, 2009, 03:50:41 PM
Empire of motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkdgMQj0-4

Never saw a girl doing OU stuff before ;)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 03:54:36 PM
Mylow responds to honest posting at YouTube:

No he does NOT, I put honest criticism in comments, none of them have ever shown, he is very very selective in what he choose to allow, 99% support for him, I say 99% because sometimes he thinks I better let criticism show or it's going to look bad with 100% support only.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Dusty on May 15, 2009, 07:04:19 PM
Oh well, I couldn't stand it any longer and had to stick my nose into this whole Mylow thing.  Like I say in the video, I need help.  So, Mylow, if you read these forums please see what I tried and let me know what you think I should do to get this thing running.  The only things I can think of are: less friction on the bearings, thinner aluminum wheel and maybe even different rotor magnet arraignments than what I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvbATpY4sM

Dusty
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 15, 2009, 08:46:31 PM
empireofmotion's approach on a MyLow design motor

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/965
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 15, 2009, 10:51:13 PM
Serious replicators owe it to themselves to watch this short video for very in depth analysis of Mylows disk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page

My take on the video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg178884#msg178884
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 11:30:46 PM
Where do you source aluminum parts for the base? Are you all friends with owners of CNC machines? lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
Where do you source aluminum parts for the base? Are you all friends with owners of CNC machines? lol

http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/msc-storefinder.aspx
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 12:15:29 AM
Well, I could not find a decent rotor today so I made one myself out of two frying pan lids, an old CD bearing, some tape and aluminum foil.

This is my very first video ever  :o

Hopefully not the last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUX1ZR1BVYQ

It is rather heavy and does not want to stop  8)

Magnets on route from the US to Spain with FedEx Priority.

AZ
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 12:45:45 AM
Serious replicators owe it to themselves to watch this short video for very in depth analysis of Mylows disk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyyu0qctYU&feature=channel_page

My take on the video:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg178884#msg178884

WOW. Must have missed that while building a rotor... But whyowhy is Mylow persisting then? Does his house sit on a magnetic vortex?

Damn...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 12:53:07 AM
http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/msc-storefinder.aspx

Danke
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 12:57:58 AM
WOW. Must have missed that while building a rotor... But whyowhy is Mylow persisting then? Does his house sit on a magnetic vortex?

Damn...

Don´t worry about it looking like a hoax, you can never have enough magnets, bearings disks etc. Loads of experiments to do with them, HJ motors included :)

Why the persistence, he might be buzzing off all the attention.

I don´t think Mylow is a bad man, not at all, just a slightly mischievous one lol. I always enjoy watching his vids.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 01:00:22 AM
Don´t worry about it looking like a hoax, you can never have enough magnets, bearings disks etc. Loads of experiments to do with them, HJ motors included :)

I'm waiting on 72 mags, personally. And a shiny aluminum disk. Still have to work out the base/ bearing. These peeps make it look so easy...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 01:04:17 AM
I'm waiting on 72 mags, personally. And a shiny aluminum disk. Still have to work out the base/ bearing. These peeps make it look so easy...

Yep it´s cool that Mylow has prompted people to build nice alu disks on good bearings etc. there sure are some tight builds going on here, very handy tackle for OU research.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 01:25:07 AM
I'd have to say overly mischievous when he has people traveling some distance to see his motor, using money for fuel, time taken out of their daily lives, I have no love for Sterling, but what Mylow did to him and PMMTester is unforgivable, no it's not any loss to me so I really should not care, but it could have been one of us.

I don´t think Mylow is a bad man, not at all, just a slightly mischievous one lol. I always enjoy watching his vids.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 01:40:26 AM
I'm waiting on 72 mags, personally. And a shiny aluminum disk. Still have to work out the base/ bearing. These peeps make it look so easy...

Here, use my "invention"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUX1ZR1BVYQ

Spins great...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on May 16, 2009, 02:40:44 AM
This is getting close
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM

And CLaNZeRS on entering and exiting the gates in his latest vid seems to show a large piece of the puzzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAK8aQ6tSg

 :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 16, 2009, 02:43:37 AM
@justalabrat
@empireofmotion
@all

I told mylow this theory on youtube.....

this is why the chances of a replication are about 1% until Mylow gives someone a working machine to study...

the variables all have to be a match to his working machine...

oh well, only 99 more replications to go until someone hits it...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dixiepnum on May 16, 2009, 02:59:51 AM
@clanzer
@mylow
@queue
@replicators
@alfparts

please read justalabrat/empireofmotion before you proceed any further....

otherwise you will never get this machine to work

component weights*spin quality*degree of magnetism across magnets will dictate success

you're going to go through years of trial and error unless you can figure this issue out first

i'd add that all components need to be made of the same aluminium as mylow's as well

i'm predicting the death of these trials from replicator fatigue unless this baby is figured out...

thks...dixie

 >:(
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 03:22:01 AM
This is getting close
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhe1nX0HLM

And CLaNZeRS on entering and exiting the gates in his latest vid seems to show a large piece of the puzzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAK8aQ6tSg

 :)

Hah. I sneer at your "getting close." This is what "getting close" looks like. Can anybody beat it? The rundown time is nearly the same as with no stator.
Remember, until you can show a rundown time that's LONGER than with no stator, your device has produced NO extra energy beyond what you put into it.
You can do comparisons by running up to known rpm, or by the string and weight method. But you have to do comparisons!!!

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 16, 2009, 04:03:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5hWpuqte0
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 10:28:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5hWpuqte0

"To the M.I.B. I GOT GATORS IN MY BACK YARD!!!! "

LOL

Highest marks for his enthousiasm but not a self runner yet.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 16, 2009, 10:45:37 AM
I admire the man's efforts.  He is persistent, you have to give him that.  That actually looks more promising than some I have seen.  I am glad you posted that.

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 16, 2009, 12:54:26 PM

At this time it may be worth reviewing the 'Model T' discussion on the 'coral castle' thread.

The bell housing had an unbalanced flywheel which reportedly would run on its own, on cow magnets placed in prepared slots on the housing. 

Ed L. also used the same parts in his work.

Regards...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 16, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
At this time it may be worth reviewing the 'Model T' discussion on the 'coral castle' thread.

The bell housing had an unbalanced flywheel which reportedly would run on its own, on cow magnets placed in prepared slots on the housing. 

Ed L. also used the same parts in his work.

Regards...

That discussion deserves its own thread.....

Homopolar = key
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 16, 2009, 01:34:53 PM
I'd have to say overly mischievous when he has people traveling some distance to see his motor, using money for fuel, time taken out of their daily lives, I have no love for Sterling, but what Mylow did to him and PMMTester is unforgivable, no it's not any loss to me so I really should not care, but it could have been one of us.

RB, Of course  I see your point, I can see how anyone who took the leap of faith may feel a little sore, but anybody undertaking these replications should always bear in mind the posibility of fakery. If not then there expenses, in the case of fakery, are the cost of learning that lesson.

Plus they will have undoubtebly learned more about the finer points of magnetic interactions and rotating rigs, other valuable things to learn.

Also I doubt it could have been you, I don´t think the sell was quite convincing enough to fool you RB, you´ve never seemed the type to engage in too many leaps of faith.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 02:06:06 PM
Heh, you can thank Steorn for that, I took a leap of faith on them 6 years ago, it will not happen again, my rule now, if an inventor/replicator is confident in their claim, then they have nothing to hide, excuses are not acceptable when claiming FIRE2.0
Also I doubt it could have been you, I don´t think the sell was quite convincing enough to fool you RB, you´ve never seemed the type to engage in too many leaps of faith.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 02:45:40 PM
Heh, you can thank Steorn for that, I took a leap of faith on them 6 years ago, it will not happen again, my rule now, if an inventor/replicator is confident in their claim, then they have nothing to hide, excuses are not acceptable when claiming FIRE2.0

RB, you mean three years ago don't you? I mean they only went public in August 2006. Did you know about them before that?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 03:19:50 PM
RB, you mean three years ago don't you? I mean they only went public in August 2006. Did you know about them before that?
I stand corrected, man it seems so much longer!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 16, 2009, 04:00:19 PM
I stand corrected, man it seems so much longer!

According to Steorn they started six years ago and went public with the Economist ad after three years. But I know what you mean about it seeming like six years. It just goes on and on and on...with no meaningful resolution. I doubt seriously if it will ever get resolved to anyone's satisfaction particularly the ardent fans.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on May 16, 2009, 06:09:54 PM
A little tip for the replicators I found out this afternoon:
I have glued two series of small neo magnets on a CD-R disc and fidle with an adjustable stator magnet that I made from an iron bar and sets of block magnets.
This allows me to easy adjust the distance of the poles of the stator setup. Very usefull to find the optimum setting with minimum drag.
Attached a drawing what I mean.
By stacking extra magnets you can also adjust the strength of the poles. Attached a drawing of such a stator setup.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 16, 2009, 09:15:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrdpO-lkLY

and another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyIv1evcbM
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrdpO-lkLY

and another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifyIv1evcbM

Closest one yet
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
Not as close as mine, in the sense of "almost running."
WHY WHY WHY do people not show the comparison testing?
How can you possibly tell if your rig is working or not, if you keep pushing it by hand?
I simply do not understand.


No, wait, I think I do. It is because an honest comparison will reveal things you do NOT want to know.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 16, 2009, 10:38:58 PM
Closest one yet
So close, it makes Mylow's claims quite a bit more plausible. Someone is going to get it done. Like Mylow did, or didn't. Hopefully someone who'll show it to others will be the first to manage.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
Compare the rundown times of that "close" replication with and without the stator magnet in place, from say 50 RPM. Post the results. Or explain why not.
Or if you don't have an accurate tachometer or oscilloscope, you can impart a known force to start the disk, from a "valley", using a string and a weight and a stopwatch to time the rotation.
How does it compare, with and without the stator?
Why won't anyone but CLaNZeR and me do this simple thing?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 16, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
So close, it makes Mylow's claims quite a bit more plausible. Someone is going to get it done. Like Mylow did, or didn't. Hopefully someone who'll show it to others will be the first to manage.

So close, it's Implausible. He says that he positioned his magnets "exactly" as Mylow showed with his micrometer. But Mylow measured his magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter.
I challenge anyone to reproduce Mylow's measurements on their disk, without special jigs and tooling. It is simply impossible to emplace anything that precisely by hand. Fourteen times.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 11:00:52 PM
So close, it's Implausible. He says that he positioned his magnets "exactly" as Mylow showed with his micrometer. But Mylow measured his magnets to the hundredth of a millimeter.
I challenge anyone to reproduce Mylow's measurements on their disk, without special jigs and tooling. It is simply impossible to emplace anything that precisely by hand. Fourteen times.

Listen to what he says about that in the newest video
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 11:07:43 PM
Do you think some of them will catch on?, I'm kinda betting not.

Listen to what he says about that in the newest video
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 16, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
Do you think some of them will catch on?, I'm kinda betting not.

Don't know, but if this goes on much longer i'm checking into a nice rubber room.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2009, 01:02:36 AM
Don't know, but if this goes on much longer i'm checking into a nice rubber room.

Well, this probably won't help, then. I'm uploading another "how he might have done it" video right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlfsx1ZaT0
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
Well, this probably won't help, then. I'm uploading another "how he might have done it" video right now.

If you're going to play Zappa can I request Pink Napkins

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 17, 2009, 01:18:58 AM

Think Model 'T' - unbalanced flywheel - John Keeley - Ed Leedskalnin's Model 'T' flywheel assembly.

Regards...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 17, 2009, 01:30:10 AM
Well, this probably won't help, then. I'm uploading another "how he might have done it" video right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlfsx1ZaT0

If we accuse you of not using trickery, will you threaten to quit?  :D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 01:31:42 AM
TK:

Nice video.  Yet another possibility added to the list.  So now, when some say there is no way it could be faked, at least there are several answers out there.

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2009, 01:33:10 AM
Think Model 'T' - unbalanced flywheel - John Keeley - Ed Leedskalnin's Model 'T' flywheel assembly.

Regards...

Keeley used compressed air, Leedskalnin used blocks, tackles, singletrees, tripods. They both were observed doing it, in spite of the legends.
But they both did some really nice artwork, IMHO.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2009, 02:08:11 AM
Please watch the last minute or so of this video. 7:35 is a good place to start. Tony's not such a good actor. His delivery is obviously rehearsed and forced.
Mylow has to feed Tony the "equilibrium speed" line. Then shortly after Mylow immediately tells Tony to stop the disk, you hear a CLICKCLICK and he does, but does not let it go. Mylow urges him, then tells him it's OK to release it. Tony is reluctant. Then he finally releases it, and the disk moves slightly--Tony involuntarily reaches for it to stop it again.
This is rehearsed, it didn't play well due to the ad-libs, and Tony gave away the bacon at the end.
The disk is driven, not by the magnets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsURAlg9pPY&feature=channel
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: broli on May 17, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
TK you sure lost any shred of respect I had for you. Anyone with common sense steps down and IGNORES something he doesn't believe in. But not you sir. You make it your soul purpose to do anything you can to bring the thing down that is threathning your believes. Your "religion" is so radical that it is a danger to the cause of this community.

I'm a bit enraged that you have so much equipment and potential and are doing nothing with it. Do everyone a favor and either quit on te mylow story and work on something contructive or leave this please.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Chase212327 on May 17, 2009, 02:44:19 AM
@TK,
This is the Builder's forum.  This forum was created to assist build efforts, and filter out all the garbage that was on the other forum.

Just because you made an attempt, does not give you the right to duplicate all the naysaying, disrespectful garbage you're posting on YouTube to this limitted, public forum.

If you've got nothing more to add to assist the other replicators, then you should stick to the un-moderated, open public forums, where all the many other naysayers are free to [unfortunately] openly attack, insult and criticize other human beings.

Chase212327
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 17, 2009, 03:39:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvx674bcHow
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 17, 2009, 03:43:52 AM
Chase, broli
You two a double act or something?, has TK possibly made you realize the possibility of a fake?, I'm guessing not, but I'm also guessing TK has made you feel uncomfortable about all this, maybe a really tiny nagging doubt that you push to the back of your minds.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 17, 2009, 03:54:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLGOvhTEgdw
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 03:59:54 AM
@Runningbare

GET THE F OFF THIS THREAD. Anymore bullshit here will be deleted. This is the builders thread so go make your funny statements elsewhere. Anyone else care to join him. Do not even respond. Just leave.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Chase212327 on May 17, 2009, 04:05:23 AM
@RunningBare.
Not one bit!  I'm ok.   :)
At some point, one needs to trust and believe, in order to live a happy life & thrive.  Some people don't trust anything or anyone.  They insist on absolute, scientific proof BEFORE they feel anything other than skepticism and cynicism.  How sad for these people, and the people around them.  I'm not at all gullible.  And I just wish us all to once again focus on assisting the replicators here.

Chase212327

Chase, broli
You two a double act or something?, has TK possibly made you realize the possibility of a fake?, I'm guessing not, but I'm also guessing TK has made you feel uncomfortable about all this, maybe a really tiny nagging doubt that you push to the back of your minds.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 04:05:26 AM
@TK

This means you also. Please leave this thread alone. Keep your comments on the other thread. Obviously you cannot be trusted to help here.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2009, 04:12:04 AM
Bye.
Remember the Sword of God!

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 05:38:31 AM
Greetings all

How Jerry/smotgroup busted Mylow and his Motor.

technically speaking it is an Aluminum and Steel Air Battery hybrid. the conductive grease is an Electrolyte. the magnetic field completes the homo-polar motor when the battery effect is shorted by the Electrolyte
trail on the bottom base, either he did this on purpose or just didn't know what he was doing, considering he has a brother in engineering that helped him build it I would say it was an elaborate homo-polar motor hiding in design of a S.M.O.T wheel.
____________________________________________________

look here at the mylow video, start the video and then stop it at 1:15 / 7:23 to see the conductive grease trail on the bottom of the bearing support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ3oEZTsKs8

___________________________________________________

This is not my find but I felt it was worth looking into and I have permission to post what Jerry wrote.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 06:08:13 AM
@AB Hammer

Interesting concept. I put up an image at 1:17.

This is some explanation but how would this equate to turning the wheel. Kind of hard to comprehend but interesting and very creative thinking.

My Mylow wheel will have two ceramic bearings, no grease so I guess we will know sooner or later if this theory holds or not.

But before someone can write Mylow wheel busted, there would have to be a better explanation then this drawing. Also, don't know how one would go about proving such a theory.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 17, 2009, 06:16:59 AM
Mylows tips on placing magnets

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305

 :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2009, 06:22:03 AM
Sorry, watts, with an opening like that I just cannot resist. Last one, I'll go away now.
My stub axle that ran my fake is on the left in my hand, Mylow's is on the computer screen. And to the right of mine is the motor and battery that I used, inside the stub axle.
Bye now.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
Well how about proses of elimination. How many different arrangement has Mylow shown and still have it running and no one else can get theirs running? Now add all the MIB stories and other things like threats and such. A bit on the wild side and hard to swallow, so to speak. Why has he had problems with the magnets wearing out? Think batteries wear out.

 But I will give that there are other factors but it is starting to sound like a bad sci-fi novel. Not to mention a snake oil salesman.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 17, 2009, 08:16:18 AM
New video from MyLow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SL9ruNgEpg

 :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 17, 2009, 09:24:54 AM
Mylows tips on placing magnets

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305

 :)

Yes, the secret...

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1305

Any more builders left here on this thread ?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 17, 2009, 09:35:57 AM
I wish the negative noise dies down, well the mod is too lenient here. Its not helping. They all are making the same statements over and over. Anyone else tired of this ?

I'm now in the middle of my build with the disc mounted and stators fixed. I did try placing some rotor mags in a hurry, all I got was a cog. I tried some variations, but it always cogs.

The first rotor magnet when pushed through the gate, makes it around almost 355 degrees and just touches back the stator.
 (it takes very very little push to do in it one direction and need a large push to make it go the other way, its kinda unidirectional)

Same happens with the second rotor and the next. When I glue the next set of rotor on the opposite side, the wheel sometimes goes through both the sets but never completes a full 360.

I tried rotating it hoping that it may latch on at some specific speed, but it slows down and stops. It does look like it tries to self propel but gives up.

Decreasing the stator height gives it more push but also slows it down more. Increasing it makes it go slow and smooth but no acceleration.

Next, I'm going to use the "feel with your hands" method, lets see if it works.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 17, 2009, 10:06:30 AM
http://pesn.com/2009/05/16/9501541_How_Does_Mylow_Do_It/

Looks like the small CD like thing is also running. It has no Alu.....
Does it mean the Alu is not necessary ?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Doug1 on May 17, 2009, 01:35:46 PM
 Guys I measure the value of or the probability of by the amount of resistance and amount of effort being put forth to derail a concept.
  There is a most likely more people against anyone proving perpetual motion or magnetic only motors or any concept which could validate any attempt to work toward anything that will liberate individuals from the present day machine that enslaves us all. People invest their wealth and place their future in this system that only a few want to take down to the ground. There are no 401k's investing in free energy.
  Give a man a fish verses teach a man to fish. It's not a bad thing when the negativity shows up. That is the marker that was once the scarlet letter. Who'da thunk they would tag themselves. With the amount of effort being applied i would conclude there is something very important to this concept which is a dire threat.
  Mylow did not sell or trade only tried to pass on information. People could either ignore it or try it,they could speak about it all along the way if there were tech problems same as with any other goofy concept. How much material was used up on the earth battery? How many fuji cameras lay victim to the jT idea. Did they bitch as much over that?No 
  Does it make any difference if you spend your money on material for one thing over another  to them who are trying to derail this? No
   You have to consider the best place for the powers at hand to hang out and keep tabs would be where the activity is. Not much point in watching groups of people talking about Hello Kitty toys when your objective is maintain the system in place to keep the money in the hands of those who have it now.
  It will get worse before it gets better. Are you actually surprised? Bendini and others are sitting back someplace imagining smacking you on the back of the head and saying "dumb ass, what did you expect".
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: waynegage on May 17, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
TK you sure lost any shred of respect I had for you. Anyone with common sense steps down and IGNORES something he doesn't believe in. But not you sir. You make it your soul purpose to do anything you can to bring the thing down that is threathning your believes. Your "religion" is so radical that it is a danger to the cause of this community.

I'm a bit enraged that you have so much equipment and potential and are doing nothing with it. Do everyone a favor and either quit on te mylow story and work on something contructive or leave this please.
TK is doing real science, that is the skeptical part of science. It is obvious that a lot of people will waste time and  money on something that science says is not possible. What would you say to TK then?
I love science and mylow is demeaning it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
 Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted  Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
@all

Everything that Mylow just disclosed about magnet placement is pivotal and we have seen it before. I have seen it with my simple Pizza Wheel. lol

When Mylow states that when you get to a certain number of magnets there will be a change in the field. I coined this as crowning. He says at a certain point the field will split in the middle. I have seen this and have described it.

I had also put up a step by step method of populating the wheel with the magnets, but Mylow has giving the actual method to start putting on magnets 1 by 1. WHICH IS GREAT.

At this level of care to the actual magnetic field involved, this is no longer a simple exercise in building a static device with pre made parts. This is actually an art form. Like playing music, you have to feel the rhythm of the magnets and the changes that are made when added one by one. Each added magnet makes a new frequency. You then have the crowning, you have the field split.

The actual motor in this build is the dual stator. That is the real motor that is running on a magnetic track of rotors. The dual stators are positioned at a certain distance to an initial mutual repulsion of the north/north and south/south fields. So the stator repulsion is pushed downwards while rotor repulsion is pushed upwards. These two repulsions meet and are making the wheel turn in one direction. Turn the stators the other way and it will turn in the other direction. This means the rotors that are not turned simply provide a universal platform or flux density and the stator walks (or runs) over them.

If you hold the stators in your hands as they are supposed to be positioned you will be able to notice that by placing it over a rotor segment and changing the gap, the stator will change its reaction off the rotors. Since the rotors are fixed, they only other variable is the stator positioning. If it is wrong, no rotor correction will compensate. Both have to be perfect.

Geez, hurry up with my wheel already. I will have a 1/4" and a 1/2" inch disk to play with.

Does any one have some spare HS90's. Allmagnetics is out of stock till June. Or can I get them somewhere else?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 17, 2009, 05:01:48 PM
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
 Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted  Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.

Must have been a lot of local magnetic vortexes back then and a few since.

Just admitting that you have an experience with such a device will cause the flies to leave that pile and head for you.

The only thing such an experience would do is open your mind to possibilities others are too inexperienced to imagine.

I'm not a fly looking for another place to raise 'children'.

I believe you had such a motor experience so if you ever recall enough info and wish to post I'll listen (without instantly calling you a fraud).

Until then, good luck with your project!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
@AB Hammer

I second BEPs post.

Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 05:44:11 PM
Must have been a lot of local magnetic vortexes back then and a few since.

Just admitting that you have an experience with such a device will cause the flies to leave that pile and head for you.

The only thing such an experience would do is open your mind to possibilities others are too inexperienced to imagine.

I'm not a fly looking for another place to raise 'children'.

I believe you had such a motor experience so if you ever recall enough info and wish to post I'll listen (without instantly calling you a fraud).

Until then, good luck with your project!

Fair enough BEP

This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before. I got back into it, but with gravity wheels only a couple of years ago. I have ways to lift 6 lbs with 1, as well as ways to make weights lift their selves (you would have to see it to believe it), and several other things that I call breakthroughs that tell me that I am close to breaking this nut wide open. I have fooled myself in the past but I will own up to my screw-ups as well. But you have to be a little over optimistic to play this game to even have a chance.

I hope this clears up your question about my views :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
@AB Hammer

I second BEPs post.

Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol

wattsup

You very well could be correct, but in this game all avenues should be checked.
 For a smoother bearing. Take the grease out and use a light oil. Only if you had a fast running wheel the grease would heat up and become soft. But for a slow running wheel the bearings will not heat up that much. Or just use ceramic bearings that you don't have to grease.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 17, 2009, 06:00:37 PM
AB Hammer, if you have carried out experiments that would be new to most...
Do you now keep them to yourself to:
- save yourself the Mylow experience
- work on your patent/world domination plans
- get even better press with your next invention
?

Please share what you have. Others might have the missing pieces to the pzzule you've laid out in front of you.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 06:39:20 PM
AB Hammer, if you have carried out experiments that would be new to most...
Do you now keep them to yourself to:
- save yourself the Mylow experience
- work on your patent/world domination plans
- get even better press with your next invention
?

Please share what you have. Others might have the missing pieces to the pzzule you've laid out in front of you.

Cloxxki

I am but a Blacksmith with medieval ways of thinking due to what I build. I am going the patent rout for a better life possibility and I have a couple of friends and partners I tell what I am doing and when the time is wright I will show what I am doing. I have posted several other designs on OU as well. So I am open to an extent and will give honest opinions from my experiences. But to show everything I have done would take over 600 strings to get started. So I pick and choose what I want to show and hold back on what I need.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 17, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
Cloxxki

I am but a Blacksmith with medieval ways of thinking due to what I build. I am going the patent rout for a better life possibility and I have a couple of friends and partners I tell what I am doing and when the time is wright I will show what I am doing. I have posted several other designs on OU as well. So I am open to an extent and will give honest opinions from my experiences. But to show everything I have done would take over 600 strings to get started. So I pick and choose what I want to show and hold back on what I need.
Fair enough.
I hope you'll get through the patent procedure quick enough, and use the rights you'll obtain for the world to take advantage from them. You have the right to make a buck, I can only congratulate you if you choose to take that route and prove success.
Please be sure though, to not pull a Bessler, Tesla or Howard Johnson. Let the right people have access to your inventions, so other will not have to come up with them all by themselves.
If you should ever need a free thinking apprentice who's not afraid to sign a confidentiality agreement, I'll gladly write you my resume. I modestly think I have a talent to take other man's genious to another level by providing missing ingredients and convenient applications.
Good luck, make it happen.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
Cloxxki

Don't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 17, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
Cloxxki

Don't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.
If you have something, I most certainly wish you that better life, and for your family. Most who came before you failed in that respect though, so I wish you foresight and wisedome. It takes one kind of original thinking to get to inventions, and another to use them for your personal gain. Although I prefer the first part, I'm better at the other, so for now just helping others with their designs rather than getting my own realized.
Please don't let us waiting too long!
To secure your position, consider building a number of working machines/setups, and mailing them to replicators, to establish your name as the true inventor. Of course, do so the day after you file for patent.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 07:51:19 PM
Cloxxki

 Once you are in patent pending status. It is time to shout it from the mountain tops.

You said
>>It takes one kind of original thinking to get to inventions, and another to use them for your personal gain.<<

 No one can do it alone. So you pick your friends and partners carefully. They have all already been picked. For when the time comes.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 17, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
TK is doing real science, that is the skeptical part of science. It is obvious that a lot of people will waste time and  money on something that science says is not possible. What would you say to TK then?
I love science and mylow is demeaning it.
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on May 17, 2009, 08:23:18 PM
I agree. The sceptical science in this field has been completed.
Big inventions were made by chance, or by looking past the horizon of the known.

It would at this stage be more productive (until Mylow finally allows someone to investigate his working motors) to find out which priciples could be used to obtain a result like Mylow's, rather than to tinker with rundown graphs and comparing them with his. If Mylow's magnets when grouped act as a group, you can't expect individual magnets to behave as such in specific places.

If Mylow should turn out to not quite have it yet, conventional science will not help this cause any further. If was given a chance for centuries. Some free thinkers with expertise in this field, when cooperating efficiently, can in a short time accomplish a lot.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 17, 2009, 08:23:49 PM
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?

Well, it could be like an unconventional parachute. You know, it doesn't open.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: utilitarian on May 17, 2009, 08:30:39 PM
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?

Is unconventional science where you can discard the scientific method, and proclaim something as true based on "feelings?"  If that is the case, you cannot call it science at all.  It is pseudoscience.

The essence of scientific research, however bleeding edge, is the rigorous scientific method.  You have to challenge every new claim until it can withstand all attacks.  I don't know why people don't get that.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 17, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
Well, it could be like an unconventional parachute. You know, it doesn't open.

"Minds are like parachutes - they work best when open"

...from the signature of one of the founding engineers of Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 17, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
Well, it could be like an unconventional parachute. You know, it doesn't open.
That is proven science based on factual data, this forum is about the unknown science or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 17, 2009, 09:24:37 PM
Is unconventional science where you can discard the scientific method, and proclaim something as true based on "feelings?"  If that is the case, you cannot call it science at all.  It is pseudoscience.

The essence of scientific research, however bleeding edge, is the rigorous scientific method.  You have to challenge every new claim until it can withstand all attacks.  I don't know why people don't get that.
All unproven science IMO unless proven is pseudoscience if science has no answers it make's them up to fill the gaps & call's it therory science is partly just belief until proven, much the same as religion
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: waynegage on May 17, 2009, 10:23:09 PM
Is the whole point of this forum not about unconventional science? If you want possible science you are on the wrong forum, are you not?
Science can't be labeled conventional or unconventional. Science is science.
If you think you can do without science then you are in the wrong forum.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 17, 2009, 10:34:21 PM
Science can't be labeled conventional or unconventional. Science is science.
If you think you can do without science then you are in the wrong forum.
Is this forum not called "overunity" explain the science behind that!
I can not "do without science" but science has not got all the answers....yet, have you?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 17, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
That is proven science based on factual data...

Conversely do you mean this forum is like unknown science based on false data?

I think you are misunderstanding the fundamentals of science. It is a process or methodology not a monolithic thing. It's litany keeps evolving, expanding and modifying itself in accordance with new discoveries that are falsified, verified and replicated. If all of the information being dealt with is factual then the criteria for being addressed by science is an imminent possibility. There is nothing about free energy or over unity that cannot be dealt with by science unless you enter the realm of magic or pseudoscience. As to arguments over scientific sacred cows they are all facing the same test by falsification, verification and replication. In fact as the history of science shows, nothing is sacred that cannot be disproved on that basis.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 17, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
Conversely do you mean this forum is like unknown science based on false data?

I think you are misunderstanding the fundamentals of science. It is a process or methodology not a monolithic thing. It's litany keeps evolving, expanding and modifying itself in accordance with new discoveries that are falsified, verified and replicated. If all of the information being dealt with is factual then the criteria for being addressed by science is an imminent possibility. There is nothing about free energy or over unity that cannot be dealt with by science unless you enter the realm of magic or pseudoscience. As to arguments over scientific sacred cows they are all facing the same test by falsification, verification and replication. In fact as the history of science shows, nothing is sacred that cannot be disproved on that basis.
What?
I don't mind admitting I have no idea what you are on about, I simply tryed to state if you jump out of a plane with no shoot there is a high chance you won't survive as proved by physics & the fact's that not many do??
What has this got to do with OU?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 17, 2009, 11:37:02 PM
What?
I don't mind admitting I have no idea what you are on about, I simply tryed to state if you jump out of a plane with no shoot there is a high chance you won't survive as proved by physics & the fact's that not many do??
What has this got to do with OU?

Everything.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 18, 2009, 03:45:17 AM
@AB Hammer

I second BEPs post.

Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol

@wattsup

Actually, (and I think you know this) a roller bearing can act similar to a planetary gear - also like a clutch. I think he is right on the possibility but doubt it was used this way here.

What I don't understand  is I thought Mylow's bearing had the seals in it. Don't people know that is some serious drag? - far more than the grease!

@AB

I have no doubts about your position in this field. I have always read your posts with interest but you are beyond me in the gravity game  :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 18, 2009, 01:04:14 PM
BTW:

When you look at rotational speed from an angle the plot will show as a sine wave. Normally this has nothing to do with wobble or imbalance when viewing from a compressed video.

When you correct for the angle the speed plot is a fairly smooth increasing ramp. The burst in speed then should be seen correctly then with a gradual decrease in speed until passing under the stator again.

I don't know which will win out as they are not compatible... the string theory or the elliptical movement of the dot theory.

Some peeps are starting to see how aluminum fits into this.

Last thoughts for a while. I'm scheduled to be on a flight today and gone for some time.. Good Luck to the builders All!

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
I am happy to annouce that I will be trying to replicate the original Mylow device in accordance with his descriptions he provided in the pre-Sterling era.

Why?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7480.0

That´s why.

Will post progress as soon as I can.

AZ
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 18, 2009, 09:33:05 PM
BTW:

When you look at rotational speed from an angle the plot will show as a sine wave. Normally this has nothing to do with wobble or imbalance when viewing from a compressed video.

When you correct for the angle the speed plot is a fairly smooth increasing ramp. The burst in speed then should be seen correctly then with a gradual decrease in speed until passing under the stator again.

Touko performed perspective correction  (he mentions the need to do so in his vid comments, maybe you didn´t notice)  and then tracked the dot, it´s angle in each frame then being derived with standard geometry. The plot he produced was a true representation of the angular velocity of the disk as a function of time.

Not sure how video compression could affect the plot in any way other than introducing very slight noise to the curve, please eleborate.

P.S.Enjoy your flight.

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 09:48:02 PM
Would it be possible to get a FIRE2.0 analysis for the following video please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page

Don´t fake the results now.  8)

Thanks

AZ

PS: No fish wire in sight.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 18, 2009, 11:00:26 PM
Would it be possible to get a FIRE2.0 analysis for the following video please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page

Don´t fake the results now.  8)

Thanks

AZ

PS: No fish wire in sight.

Good grief. This is one of the ones that could very easily be turned by Mr. Hand. No sophisticated analysis is required, only careful observation--and make ye then a theory that fits ALL the known facts.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 18, 2009, 11:27:59 PM
Good grief. This is one of the ones that could very easily be turned by Mr. Hand. No sophisticated analysis is required, only careful observation--and make ye then a theory that fits ALL the known facts.

Are you up for a challenge?

IF as you say Mr. Hand powered the above mentioned device, the moment he zooms out it should decelerate, right?

So, acceleration analysis please...

Of THIS video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page

While he is AWAY from the wheel:

If the graphs show deceleration... I will hold my peace forever, I promise. (after I checked the results ofcourse)
If the graphs show a constant speed (or acceleration), I am right.

If I am right, this situation becomes scary and fascinating at the same time.

Like a middle aged woman making an indecent proposal to a sixteen year old virgin boy.

Indulge me

Title: Acceleration analysis
Post by: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 12:02:00 AM
Another for acceleration analysis: video #41a & #41b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlCE01pYDpE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZ6y0o3Nkk

I know, even in HD the wire cannot be seen from this angle and no that does not prove anything.

Analysis graphs will.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 12:18:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk

One of the last pre-Sterling pre fish wire videos.

A song comes to mind:

"Fish heads, Fish heads, jolly polly fish heads
Fish heads, Fish heads, Eat ´em up-

Yum."

-Monty Python.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 12:23:34 AM
...start of the containment era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr3XkhVwVOg

New magnets, new stator, no more reference to the old setup AT ALL.

Listen carefully to the difference the dialogue Mylow all of a sudden has acquired.

Night & Day.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 12:47:56 AM
never mind.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 12:54:48 AM
Are you up for a challenge?

IF as you say Mr. Hand powered the above mentioned device, the moment he zooms out it should decelerate, right?

So, acceleration analysis please...

Of THIS video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page

While he is AWAY from the wheel:

If the graphs show deceleration... I will hold my peace forever, I promise. (after I checked the results ofcourse)
If the graphs show a constant speed (or acceleration), I am right.

If I am right, this situation becomes scary and fascinating at the same time.

Like a middle aged woman making an indecent proposal to a sixteen year old virgin boy.

Indulge me

I don't suppose it is even remotely possible that there is some one else nearby. No, that would be too easy.

No, I'm not going to do the acceleration analysis. You do it. I'm tired. And it is you, after all, who is trying to make a point. I've already made mine, so if you think this video is proof of anything I suggest you , yes, try to replicate it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 12:56:00 AM
never mind.

 ::)

Sure TinselKoala, sure.

So you failed to notice any changes at all between these last two videos hmmm.

There are two different Mylows:

One is enthousiastically showing the world his Howard Johnson replication
The other one is reluctantly showing the world crap while he knows he is going to have to self destruct.

One Mylow is Pre-Sterling
The other Mylow is Post-Sterling

Please check when Sterling and PES first became involved in this project and cross check the dates of the videos.

Interesting huh? ...or is that also too much to ask?

Further discussion is futile, I know what I know and I know what I see.

And I also know what I am going to do.

Can you guess?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AquariuZ on May 19, 2009, 01:00:45 AM
I don't suppose it is even remotely possible that there is some one else nearby. No, that would be too easy.

No, I'm not going to do the acceleration analysis. You do it. I'm tired. And it is you, after all, who is trying to make a point. I've already made mine, so if you think this video is proof of anything I suggest you , yes, try to replicate it.

Who? The invisible man?

Again: if the wheel is in full frame, unless there is an invisible hand of god sustaining the momentum, the wheel should decelerate if the setup does not work. If the disc is intermittently accelerating and decelerating (gaps!!) then the setup is authentic. No hand, no hidden motor.

Go on, admit it, you want to know too.

And ofcourse you are tired, you have been spending the last 24 hours proving to the world the setup can be faked and you did a great job in exposing the last project as a fake.

Your government is grateful, really.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 19, 2009, 01:18:34 AM
Touko performed perspective correction  (he mentions the need to do so in his vid comments, maybe you didn´t notice)  and then tracked the dot, it´s angle in each frame then being derived with standard geometry. The plot he produced was a true representation of the angular velocity of the disk as a function of time.

Not sure how video compression could affect the plot in any way other than introducing very slight noise to the curve, please eleborate.

P.S.Enjoy your flight.

Thanks.

Thank goodness it is delayed. The hurry-up part of the problem was solved with a phone call.

As for the graph shown and perspective correction.... No. I don't recall reading that in the video. Since I've used all of the apps I saw mentioned I doubt I misunderstood what I did see. I do recall you mentioning it in one of your posts.

The graph is confusing at best. There are no numbers, no way to determine range of angular velocity. If the bottom of the chart was zero (so I assumed) then I couldn't believe the RPM would deviate that much over one rotation. At least not unless he didn't perform the correction.

To me the sine shows rotation of the elliptical. The reported speed will change at each quadrant because he is on an angle.

I do recall him mentioning balance and wobble. That should show up only as minor noise instead of the complete sine.

As far as I'm concerned the graph shows speed degradation after the rightful kick wears off just after passing the stator, slight slowdown just before the stator and a repeated kick just after it.

I would love to view it again. Anyone have a link?
or better yet, some numbers to go with the graph?

Just like everyone else my understanding of all things is based upon my experiences. I can easily understand folks screaming foul and finding ways to prove it foul.

After all, it is much easier to debunk than make it work. Especially if you have absolutely no experiences with things that defy explanation using common information.

Not that I have, of course  :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Yucca on May 19, 2009, 02:08:49 AM
Hi Bep,

My thoughts on the overall sin wave are:

If you externally drive a disk that is not level and unbalanced you will observe in its velocity profile one sin wave per revolution. It will not manifest as noise it will be a sin wave.

Remember the graph plots speed as a function of time.

One half of the sin wave, the bottom half, is caused by the rotor going uphill. They don´t want to go uphill and so slow the disk down.

The other half of the sin wave, the faster top half, is caused by the rotor mags going downhill and so adding to the disc speed.

So with a rotating unbalanced and not flat disk you will see this sin function.

Numbers on the graph are not really needed, we can tell how much X axis is required to make one rev because we get one rotor&stator interaction spike for every one revolution. Plus the absolute speed on the y axis does not really need to be known.

To make things even more intuitive, imagine a disc that´s not just a little off the horizontal, imagine one at 45deg or even vertical 90deg, then I´m sure you can visualise how a weight on it will swing faster at the bottom of the circle and slower at the top, those two extremes of velocities make up the top and bottom of the sin wave. Kind of like a pendulum that goes all the way over.

However just by seeing  the sin wave does not PROVE external drive. But what gives it away is the fact that the half of the sin wave that is on the opposite side to the rotor&stator interaction.That half of the sin wave shows accelleration over it. Clearly indicative of acceleration not due to the stator mags.

lol mylow made me think alot, I´ve spent too long writing on this subject, gonna have to get back to my HV pulsed cadaceus experiment, and making a flyback driver that doesn´t fry ICs so often. Back to the shadows, where the real work is done!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 19, 2009, 02:17:38 AM
Greetings All

 I just received this link in my email and I figured best to pass it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 19, 2009, 03:18:28 AM
@Yucca: Are you exploding 555's? Good fast blocking diodes will fix that.
 This is a really nice flyback driver that I like a lot. You don't have to make it "sing", of course, but if you do --you will be amazed at the fidelity. It's nice to be able to heterodyne an audio signal on top of the high-freq HV.
http://www.volny.cz/jmartis/flyback_singingarc.png
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 19, 2009, 04:36:17 AM
Hi Bep,

My thoughts on the overall sin wave are:


Thanks for explaining your and many others point of view. I will give on the X as I can estimate the numbers for that to a reasonable tolerance from a video. However, Y is not acceptable to me without numbers. That shift could be several 10's of RPM or it could be so small it shouldn't even be considered.

Must be my constant creation and use of such graphs that is getting me down on this one. I'm used to dealing in microns and sub-milliseconds (for the mechanical devices). Without numbers this graph is not worth considering, in my book. Then when the link evaporated I nailed the coffin shut on that source.

Sorry, I've never been considered one to fall in-line with either herd. My judgments are mine and they'll stay that way.

I'm not going to pay for the hi-res any more than I would pay for the motor plans.  The videos neither prove nor disprove anything for me.

So no need to debate as far as I'm concerned.
I'll find my own answers with due time.


Popping ICs is relaxing but I keep a box of huge electrolytics handy for the really stressful days  ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: DHCP on May 19, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Greetings All

 I just received this link in my email and I figured best to pass it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw&feature=channel_page
Hmm the plot thickens in the following at 1:26 to 2:20 Mylow is seen to frig with the base of the motor alot could he be attaching the fishing line?
At 8.17 you can just see a couple of lines on the matting but not on the glass.
At 8:20 there is no noticable "Mylow stepping over the lines" motion shown from the camera, could this be as they slope down from the table, not horizontal?
At 8:39 would you not see a drive motor or something if the line's sloped down which is a contradiction to 8:20  ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on May 19, 2009, 12:58:17 PM
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
 Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted  Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.

G'day Alan,

How about sharing with us how you did that because this is better than anything I have seen.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AB Hammer on May 19, 2009, 03:53:07 PM
G'day Alan,

How about sharing with us how you did that because this is better than anything I have seen.

Hans von Lieven

Greetings Hans

I wrote this in an earlier post responding to BEP

>>This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before.<<

This is truly all I can remember of what I did as a kid of 14. I am now 50. One of the things after trying to redo that old wheel is that the old iron magnets were allot more forgiving than the magnets we find today, and that my be the only reason it did what it did. I do have other magnet ideas and I may post some of them, but that will be after I finish up with my present gravity wheel projects. I will look for the same type of magnets I had back then and try once again for my own piece of mind. For old memories will always haunt us in this game.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: AnandAadhar on May 19, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of  6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.

AA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 19, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
"So replications are still worthwhile."

Replication of what??? A spinning disk with magnets on it. What the hell do you think you are replicating??

 To try to build any device with claims (that go against the given knowledge) one must at least have a realistic idea going into the thing.

 One must truly realize that the claim may never be met, is the most likely result.

What the hell are you trying to build?? A device that will be OU or a magnet motor?

This whole thing of free energy ou and magnet motors is nothing new. Ideas about getting magnets to drive a system have existed through out time as man looked over magnets from load stone forward.

 You folks just going out believing it will work from claims and a video are in for disappointment.   It is a given in this field.  Who are you going to blame when it does not work??

 Over and over we see this, yet the conception of the human mind to believe there should be a way, and the BELIEF from tha; keep folks in a position to end up following an idea, even if there is no feasible way for such to work.

 Very few thing have I seen in this game that I will try and replicate. Simple reason is I see or can not think of a reason it could work, and or any interesting events from such that might have interesting knowledge to be gained.

  Folks please think first.

 Hell folks this guy claimed to have been doing this for years and did not even know his magnet polarity of his device.
 Wake up and smell the smell folks.

 As for HJ?
How many folks through the years have tried to really replicate his stuff, again with out success.  Hell just look at folks on this board with such claims. It would have been replicated if feasible one would think if it was real.
Hj may have believed, yet it just does not work.

As for mylow, well it has been a fun story. Notice the story part of this.  How can you folks with the need and desire to believe get so suckered into the story, and not look at the facts?

 I say look over all these things. Yet the first thing you should say before diving in and replicating is this:

 What is it you are building, and what realistic expectations can you get from such? 
Is such really feasibility with the information given??

The next question is how to measure such actions in a device, and can you. Folks believing just a bit more never look at the measurements of what is really going on. It is a big mistake in this field.  Such investment is measuring devices and methods will save you time and money in the long run.

LOL the feel game may work on your mate, it does not work so well in the physical world. To easy to fool yourself with.

 Yep there are going to be a lot of angry folks with this one it seems. I really can not blame them, a great story this has been.  They just want to believe.  Hell I want to believe, yet have seen way to much to jump into such with out some realistic expectations. 
 Note: I did not even attempt a replication of this one. I could find and or read were other found a realistic explanation of how it could work.

 The idea of the diamagnetic stuff of aluminum is a fun one with this, yet again not realistic. Hell try some bismuth aluminum alloy stuff. Don't expect to much. LOL
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 19, 2009, 11:35:49 PM

For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 19, 2009, 11:45:12 PM
I get this kind of argument from the kids. LOL
Go to the bathroom in one hand, and what if in the other. See which one gets full the fastest.

 As I tell the kids. What if is what will allow folks to progress in the world. Yet to do such takes thought and observation of what is really going on.
Again the questions are
1; is it feasible and why of it being feasible.
2: for if 1 is such as feasible, is it a viable idea to implement to the It is stage.

All a simple game of critical thinking.

For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: hansvonlieven on May 20, 2009, 12:16:44 AM
Greetings Hans

I wrote this in an earlier post responding to BEP

>>This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before.<<

This is truly all I can remember of what I did as a kid of 14. I am now 50. One of the things after trying to redo that old wheel is that the old iron magnets were allot more forgiving than the magnets we find today, and that my be the only reason it did what it did. I do have other magnet ideas and I may post some of them, but that will be after I finish up with my present gravity wheel projects. I will look for the same type of magnets I had back then and try once again for my own piece of mind. For old memories will always haunt us in this game.

Thanks for sharing Alan, much appreciated. Incidentally, this is exactly what Keely did with one of his motors, There were 7 elements in the rotor and 8 in the stator. The whole thing relied on "Sympathetic Attraction". There is a picture below of that kind of device.

Hans

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: vonwolf on May 20, 2009, 01:44:59 AM
For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...

    Well I have to agree with the Cap here. folks are making more noise about this than the "2000 mile spaceship" that was coming last October.

    I have seen it posted over and over "A PMM is not imposable" {even though it's not a PMM} I thought thats what every one here was striving for.

    Just on the slim chance this was not a fake I know I wouldn't go thru this BS.

     Just a Thought Pete
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 20, 2009, 12:32:37 PM
@AB

Do you hear the buzzing yet? It seems that dung heap is drying out.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: dingbat on May 20, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of  6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.

AA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM


I made a device too.  I had similar results and came to the same conclusion.  I don't think that this arrangement has any potential to "work".  It was a good experiment, and I gained from it.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 22, 2009, 07:11:05 AM
he is back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q




Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 22, 2009, 01:07:16 PM
I saw a YT video that says that 3 + 3 = 8.
I found this to be completely in line with my theories of integer cloning.
So I tried to  replicate. Here's a page from my lab book.

3 + 3 = 8.

er....

3 + 2 + 1 = 8.

hmm.

1 + 5 + 1 = 8.
Making progress!!

5 + 1 + 1 = 8.

Grr. dammit.

6 + 1 = 8.
5 + 2 = 8.

Let's try a different approach.

9 - 2 = 8.
9 - 3 = 8.
9 - 4 = 8.

9 - 1 = 8 !!! Success!

We need more replicators!!

(coffee spilled here, a blood stain, further data missing--a page torn out...Hmmm.....success, suppression!!!)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: jester on May 23, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
I saw a YT video that says that 3 + 3 = 8.
I found this to be completely in line with my theories of integer cloning.
So I tried to  replicate. Here's a page from my lab book.

3 + 3 = 8.

er....

3 + 2 + 1 = 8.

hmm.

1 + 5 + 1 = 8.
Making progress!!

5 + 1 + 1 = 8.

Grr. dammit.

6 + 1 = 8.
5 + 2 = 8.

Let's try a different approach.

9 - 2 = 8.
9 - 3 = 8.
9 - 4 = 8.

9 - 1 = 8 !!! Success!

We need more replicators!!

(coffee spilled here, a blood stain, further data missing--a page torn out...Hmmm.....success, suppression!!!)


reverse one the 3's (mirror image) and put it on top of the other 3 and it can equal 8.

I have not said it yet but that was good work on your video's TK   ;D

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on May 23, 2009, 07:05:51 PM

reverse one the 3's (mirror image) and put it on top of the other 3 and it can equal 8.

I have not said it yet but that was good work on your video's TK   ;D

Trickery! Fake! I see the fishing line you used to rotate that integer through the nth dimension.
You can't fool me, that's not real integer cloning.
 ;D


(thanks, I'm glad you liked it...)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 23, 2009, 08:12:21 PM
Well call it what you will.

The evidence that video #6 is a fake is extremely slim. This also can't explain when he removed the stator bridge to show the stator close up. When he put it back into place there was not attempt at all to pass a string through the hole. The move of the stator bridge when he showed the stator means if there was string there, it would have been created considerable slack on the string. Again this is not seen and for all intents the video #6 CANNOT BE USED TO CALL THE CHANNEL MAGNET WHEEL A FAKE.

Also why would Mylow provide High Res videos to Sterling on the bar magnets wheel and not on the channel rotor wheel. Most likely because HE WANTED US to discover the bar magnets wheel was a fake.

So, I smell an attempt to subvert our attention away from the channel magnets to the second bar magnet wheel and because of this simple discrepancy, I am still going through with my further tests on Mylows wheel.

As posted by @maw2432, I am also putting the link to empireofmotion's Youtube showing her new wheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBkdgMQj0-4

I am now showing my final build. I to am still waiting for my magnets and will do some preliminaries with neo magnets.

Build spec on my wheel is as follows.
Wheel is 18" by 1/4". My 1/2" disk also on hand for other trials.
Dual ceramic bearings are lodged inside the center shaft.
The base has a 5/8" shaft coming up about 2 inches to pass through both bearings that are distanced inside the shaft.
The top disk is held down with four aluminum bolts. The center hole goes all the way through the center shaft to the bearing chamber.
Now to build my stator bridge. lol

Anyways, just wanted to show that some will still try this.

@queue

If you no longer wish to partake, and if you want to sell some of the magnets, please let me know. I had ordered only bar magnets but will also have to order some channel magnets.

@all

I think we are nearing the time when the main thread will be simply locked since there is no real advancement expected there and these two liners posts are just taking up space and lot's of lines on the recent posts section.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 23, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
Second image added to new post because the "more attachements" feature does not work.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: lostcauses10x on May 23, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
wattsup
Looks like a good table.
I must ask what you plan on doing others replicating have not done??

 Let use know what happens.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 23, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
It is starting to look like the flying saucer from Forbidden Planet:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/462717492_323f9acc43.jpg?v=0
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: utilitarian on May 23, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
Well call it what you will.

The evidence that video #6 is a fake is extremely slim. This also can't explain when he removed the stator bridge to show the stator close up. When he put it back into place there was not attempt at all to pass a string through the hole. The move of the stator bridge when he showed the stator means if there was string there, it would have been created considerable slack on the string. Again this is not seen and for all intents the video #6 CANNOT BE USED TO CALL THE CHANNEL MAGNET WHEEL A FAKE.

Only on overunity.com.  Are you seriously interested in science or not?

Fact 1:  MyLow puts out many videos purporting a working magnet motor.
Fact 2:  In some of the videos, you can see fakery.

What conclusion can you draw from that?

1.  All the videos are probably faked, it's just that you cannot tell.  The burden is now on MyLow to stage a replication by an impartial and trusted third party.

or 2.  The videos where there is no fakery are really real.  It is the burden of the "evil debunker" to PROVE that fakery in the videos with no visible fakery.

Come on, search your rational mind for what the appropriate position should be.

And please do not tell me you buy the suppression crap!  If there were really MiBs that were forcing MyLow to stage detectable fakes, why would they allow MyLow to discuss the fact that the MiB forced him to do the fakes?  If he was so scared of them as to discredit himself, why would he risk talking about it?  Ponder that for a little while, and the answer will be obvious.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on May 23, 2009, 09:35:38 PM
MyLow defender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3xa7khpLIU

I'm not really sure what he is proving, but he seems to think it proves Mylows motors are real.


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 23, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
In life you will find that those with the most to sell have the least to offer.

Regards...

Posted before I saw that video...you have to reflect on everything before accepting, but interesting nonetheless.


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 23, 2009, 10:59:49 PM
Second image added to new post because the "more attachements" feature does not work.

Watts:

That looks like a nice platform and bearing set-up.  I enhanced the photo and you can clearly see some lines going off to the left so I guess this means you will be replicating Mylow?

Obviously, (hopefully obviously) I am kidding and I, of course, added those lines to your photo.

But seriously, you will always be able to find a good use for a spinning platform, especially one that looks as sturdy as that one.

Bill   ***EDIT***  In retrospect, this may not be quite as humorous as I had intended.  If this is the case, let me know and I will remove it, or you can.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 11:01:44 PM
Watts:

That looks like a nice platform and bearing set-up.  I enhanced the photo and you can clearly see some lines going off to the left so I guess this means you will be replicating Mylow?

Obviously, (hopefully obviously) I am kidding and I, of course, added those lines to your photo.

But seriously, you will always be able to find a good use for a spinning platform, especially one that looks as sturdy as that one.

Bill

LMAO

EDIT: Damn that was a funny picture I wish it would post.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 23, 2009, 11:03:52 PM
It's photoshopped, it's clear there's no lines in that image!

Watts:

That looks like a nice platform and bearing set-up.  I enhanced the photo and you can clearly see some lines going off to the left so I guess this means you will be replicating Mylow?

Obviously, (hopefully obviously) I am kidding and I, of course, added those lines to your photo.

But seriously, you will always be able to find a good use for a spinning platform, especially one that looks as sturdy as that one.

Bill   ***EDIT***  In retrospect, this may not be quite as humorous as I had intended.  If this is the case, let me know and I will remove it, or you can.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 23, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
So, I take it Aquar1uZ feels it will work because he sourced channel magnets basically the same as Mylow's originals (as shown in the videos with the fishing wire)

Good luck, brother.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 23, 2009, 11:13:19 PM
So, I take it Aquar1uZ feels it will work because he sourced channel magnets basically the same as Mylow's originals (as shown in the videos with the fishing wire)

Good luck, brother.

No matter how many people fall off a cliff there are still some that have to give it a try for themselves just to see what would happen.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: powercat on May 23, 2009, 11:30:50 PM
@ wattsup
saving the Titanic with a bucket

hmmm
cat
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 24, 2009, 02:26:48 AM
For anyone giving up on this attempt AND if you have obtained materials for this replication which match the visual and verbal descriptions from Mylow- I am willing to consider purchasing your materials.

Please send the specs and asking price for each item. A pic of the disk will be appreciated.

Send this via PM.

Any message sent or posted repeating the negative ideas, comments and foul language we've sufferred in the echo chamber will cause me to exercise the only power I have here. You will be added to my ignore list (everybody scared now?)     :o

I reserve the right to make an offer to those I choose based upon overall cost and how close the material is to what was originally described.

I am not interested in anything after the channel magnet videos.

Don't bother asking 'why?'.

@Wattsup

I realize this request will cause even more of the flies from the other pile to race towards this thread. I am sorry for that.

Judging by recent posts perhaps another method of sharing information is worth considering?


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: RunningBare on May 24, 2009, 02:35:25 AM
Would that be covert?
Just kidding with ya, but enjoy the tinkering, I do.
Judging by recent posts perhaps another method of sharing information is worth considering?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 03:52:19 AM
For anyone giving up on this attempt AND if you have obtained materials for this replication which match the visual and verbal descriptions from Mylow- I am willing to consider purchasing your materials.

Please send the specs and asking price for each item. A pic of the disk will be appreciated.

Send this via PM.

Any message sent or posted repeating the negative ideas, comments and foul language we've sufferred in the echo chamber will cause me to exercise the only power I have here. You will be added to my ignore list (everybody scared now?)     :o

I reserve the right to make an offer to those I choose based upon overall cost and how close the material is to what was originally described.

I am not interested in anything after the channel magnet videos.

Don't bother asking 'why?'.

@Wattsup

I realize this request will cause even more of the flies from the other pile to race towards this thread. I am sorry for that.

Judging by recent posts perhaps another method of sharing information is worth considering?

I have a nice roll of monofilament line I could let you have for $5.  ;D
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ellubpt on May 24, 2009, 05:14:26 AM
I have 3 6061 T6 alum platters. I was going to make them into hats ,but, I am keeping for future projects.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: slapper on May 24, 2009, 05:32:14 AM
Very nice setup wattsup!

Puts mine to shame.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: X00013 on May 24, 2009, 05:58:34 AM
@ watts, whats ur tube handle? I look foward to vids!!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 24, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
This is nuts, man.

The fishing line is clearly visible in the early videos. 

Nevermind the fact that Mylow's setup had zero to do with HJ's motor.

It superficially resembled it.

I wonder if anyone is even aware of the composition of the magnets in the stonehenge picture.

I'll give you a hint: Take a look at the Train, or the Gate, or even the flat shaded Domino setup.

HJ's most basic principle was magnetic shading (shorting out spins on a pole)

This is how he was able to make an N stator become attracted to an N gate. The spins were altered, the stator car was  essentially fooled into thinking N was S, based on altered spins.

It seems to prove his theory that magnetic lines of force are not as we're taught, due to his assertion that iron filings become magnets themselves and show inaccurate flux lines.

Now take a look at the Train Bedini has.

Any idea how complicated that is?

HJ uses multiple shaded poles, corner angle spins into a back megnet, deflected by rubber magnet to the following group of magnets, angles held in place by wood wedges.

His wheel, we know nothing about.

What does it all mean? It means that HJ used spintronics and pole shading, trying to utilize momentary spin bursts as a propulsive force.

It-has-zero-to-do-with-what-Mylow-did.



Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 24, 2009, 07:11:33 AM
Very nice wheel Wattsup... what magnets do you have ?

I'm still trying various configs on my wheel just bcz its fun !
I read the HJ book - secret world of magnets, its a small book (40 pages) and contains mostly pics of his plots. He clearly did some original research. The double vortex and all.

But .... (there's always a but), he never says you can get free energy or perpetual motion out of magnets. He only says that magnets can provide motive force (like the train etc), which is obvious.

The book is on scribd.com, if anyone likes to read. (perhaps an illegal copy, sorry if its against forum policies. such things must be free.)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 24, 2009, 07:48:52 AM
Thanks Milo for finding this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 24, 2009, 04:17:29 PM
@BEP

Don't buy up all the mags on the market will y'a. Just jock'in.
Glad to see you have some interest in this.

You know what, I thought this magnet thingy would be a relaxing change from TPU overdosing but I guess I was very wrong. Well half wrong. The magnets are relaxing but this whole story was a little more then most had gambled for. So the only solution is just play with the magnets cause that IS relaxing and very interesting.

If there are guys in Canada that have channel rotors or other that they want to sell let me know also. If I can help someone that feels they have been duped, no problem if it fits into my mag requirements.

@Omega_0

Thanks for your post.

Well I have lots of bar magnets and horseshoe magnets that should be arriving hope early this week, but in the interim I am just playing around with my neos which is great because I don't have to glue them. Three on top and one from the bottom holds them well in place and you can slide them every way you want to study many positioning effects. All north up. lol

Tried neos as stator but neo on neo is just too strong for this kin d of set-up.

I am also using hard drive magnets in between the segments to brake the sticky and it works. I also have hard drive magnets with the magnet removed to use just the backing. I will also boil a few small DC motor chassis to loosen off the magnets and try them.

There are so many ways to do this. Can't wait to get my horseshoes cause that will open up so many news ways of testing.

The photo below shows neos, hard drive mags and my stator is a bunch of round magnets held together all placed as one magnet secured on my microphone stand for quick and easy stator placements. I will also try these with the magnets placed in a continuous repulsion mode and see how they work out.

I managed so far to get 2 1/2 rotations from just letting it go out of a repulsion state. I still have to work out the video thing since my last camcorder is no longer. I purchased a web cam but I find the image is not that great.

Oh, once I had a good set-up I then also took my second wheel which is 1/2" and place it on top of the the populated 1/4" wheel. This allowed me to place my stator very close to the top wheel to effect the magnets in an otherwise impossible closeness. The top plate acts like a refraction medium mixing up the fields but still keep the forward movement.

@all

OK, here is a LAST warning. If this thread is to continue, there will be no more negative posts or smart remarks here. This is for builders and side-testers and magnetic theories to post their builds and results. Let's keep it that way please. Any undue negativism of guys with repeated lectures that we are wasting our time chasing after something that will never happen will simply be removed from now on. Now exceptions.

Also, the main thread will soon be locked since there is no point leaving it open. I think everything that had to be said is said.

Mylow will probably only re-surface again once this whole storm settles down. I think I will ask @stefan if we can open up a special locked thread that only Mylow and a few others (known builders) can post to. That way he can come in and put his comments without being blasted and we could get some more direct insight. Anyways time will tell how all this pans out.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ezzob on May 24, 2009, 07:48:06 PM
J.Naudin talk about imbalance of the forces in The Johnson's permanent magnetic motor.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/johnmot.htm
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Lakes on May 24, 2009, 10:54:01 PM
I would never have thought of boiling speakers /motors to get the magnets out of them!
I must try that... :)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 24, 2009, 11:09:26 PM

The Mylow mystery clarified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4&NR=1


On a more serious note, I think I read somewhere that exposure to heat weakens magnets...I can't recall how much though.

Regards...

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 24, 2009, 11:32:29 PM
The Mylow mystery clarified:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4&NR=1)


On a more serious note, I think I read somewhere that exposure to heat weakens magnets...I can't recall how much though.

Regards...

Cap:

My understanding is that as long as you don't get them up to their Curie temperature, it is fine.  I think this temperature varies with different magnet materials but for the ones we used to machine, it was pretty high, around 300 C.


Here is a link to a chart of these temperatures:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/tables/curie.html

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 25, 2009, 12:16:16 AM
Will polls be allowed or just strickly technical talk?
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574

Will people, without being rude be allowed to give critical reviews of the devices?

I am being polite as I agree if this is your thread, then you have the right to set the rules.

I know a cheap source of magnets if anybody wants some . The person have enough for 16 complete sets of mylow motors. He bought them prior to the revealing Mylow tapes. he is open to offers.
If anyone is interested I will get him to come here so people can contact him.

Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 25, 2009, 02:18:27 AM
Will polls be allowed or just strickly technical talk?
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574

Will people, without being rude be allowed to give critical reviews of the devices?

I am being polite as I agree if this is your thread, then you have the right to set the rules.

I know a cheap source of magnets if anybody wants some . The person have enough for 16 complete sets of mylow motors. He bought them prior to the revealing Mylow tapes. he is open to offers.
If anyone is interested I will get him to come here so people can contact him.

Kind Regards
Mark

I have plenty of bar magnets but I need at least 5 more sets of the channel magnets. My offer to buy was to take some expense off the backs of those who tried but gave up.

I'll wait a few days for folks to shed their grief then I'll buy from a wholesaler.

Also needed are 4 more Al plattens. I can handle the bearing supports if folks wish to keep that part.

As far as posting goes that will be up to @Wattsup. Typical builder's threads are for builders. Before I provide a negative critique for another's experiment or ask them to perform an experiment for me I'll post mine for them to do likewise. Otherwise I'll just shut up.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 02:53:26 AM
It never ends.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Bobbotov on May 25, 2009, 03:08:04 AM
Sterling seems to have a propensity for not taking responsibility for his actions. He releases Mylow's phone call to him which he felt was private but gives out it out to some others and apparently doesn't tell them to keep it under wraps and is now chastising those people?
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 03:16:38 AM
Sterling seems to have a propensity for not taking responsibility for his actions. He releases Mylow's phone call to him which he felt was private but gives out it out to some others and apparently doesn't tell them to keep it under wraps and is now chastising those people?

He's all over the place. The moral of the story is probably that no one really needs Sterling Allan to help them figure out if an OU device is real. Either someone gets it validated on their own, or they don't.

I don't know exactly how he operates, but I'm pretty sure he tries to set up a 30% profit share arrangement as soon as possible from things I've read. It doesn't really seem constructive.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 25, 2009, 07:28:01 AM
Unfortunately Sterling has no bearing on the builders and what he does can be discussed elsewhere. Geez we have threads open to cater to your every need because here at overunity.com, WE AIM TO PLEASE.

Let's keep this thread on the builds, magnet theory, observations of function. let's learn what a magnet really is, something I feel this whole escapade has been trying to steer us away from. Well the more you steer away, the more reason you give to look further. Sorrrrrry.

Here is something I have learned in the last few days about magnets. May be mundane cause I did not do any googling on it.

Non-Symmetry versus Symmetry of Magnets

I now realize that magnets can be forced to do things, like a stubborn mule that you have to whip to get it going. Put it in a stator case and spin a rotor in it via some wind and they will produce juice. Or, by simply letting them be what they really are. Rotational fields. Magnets are rotational fields. The field goes out and back. While they do this they provide angled directionality that can only be understood by another magnet. This is the same directionality that makes two magnets, when let loose in proximity, one called Left and one called Right, to both turn while they are approaching each other to connect at their random polarities, Either LN to RS, or LS to RN. What made them do this "movement"? Do you see the speed, the precision, the exactitude at impact being so perfectly aligned when connected together, all in one multi-fraction of a second. Shit. No wonder some do not want us to know about magnets.

If the directionality is PERFECT, not symmetrical because symmetry kills the individual magnet and turns it into a part of a whole magnetic conjunction with other magnets in the vicinity. Symmetry gives the magnets static circularity but non-symmetry gives dynamic directionality since it cannot move in circles. If you are moving, and you are not moving in a circle, then you have to be directional and move continuously somewhere else. Mylow just takes that directionality and puts it back into a circle, but not enough to make it a circle. This is what the Mylow wheel is doing.

As if the leading field opens a void and the others fall into and out of it, something like the Start Ship Enterprise Warp Speed Propulsion worked with a magnetic field developed in front of the ship that the ship falls into and forward continuously. Can't explain it any better then that at this stage.

Maybe this. When two magnets are stuck together, thy are in symmetry. Throw a bunch of loose magnets on the floor and see what happens. The non-symmetric randomness of the thrown magnets will cause directionality in the magnets to the other magnets. Directionality means physical movement can be achieved by the magnets themselves and they all turn and move until they are all in symmetry again. A uniform field. They can't help themselves. It's automatic. So what if you keep the condition always one step away from symmetry? Or you can dive in and out of symmetry. Again the almost crowning of the rotors, plus the final crowning connected from half the stator and uncrowning from the other half of the stator happening is close succession.

Just a theory on magnets.

Oh, and they are very relaxing, expect when they decide to achieve symmetry. Then they snap and startle the hell out of when you least expect them. lol

When I get my bar magnets, I want to work on a clipping system that will enable me to position the rotors just as easily as with my neos. Otherwise I feel the gluing will be bad for trying so many testing parameters. Does anyone have any ideas on this or is using something  now that could help?

@markdansie

I would be interested in channel magnets.

Added:

@Boiling magnets off of DC motor chassis.

Did this today and got two nice magnets. Boiled them for a good 15 - 20 minutes by completely submerging the whole casing. I would turn them once in a while then put it in the sink and hit one end downwards with a hammer and a big spark plug remover socket. But did not work. I re-boiled it. My wife recommended I then put it in ice water so I took some cold water and put some ice in it. Took the casing put it into the cold water and hit it again with the hammer and socket and bingo, they popped off one by one. Enjoy.

Now to see how to change the polarity. Wind some good size wire around the center and hit both leads onto one or two 12vdc batteries or more. Maybe a big capacitor discharge.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ellubpt on May 25, 2009, 08:28:37 AM
Will polls be allowed or just strickly technical talk?
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574

Will people, without being rude be allowed to give critical reviews of the devices?

I am being polite as I agree if this is your thread, then you have the right to set the rules.

I know a cheap source of magnets if anybody wants some . The person have enough for 16 complete sets of mylow motors. He bought them prior to the revealing Mylow tapes. he is open to offers.
If anyone is interested I will get him to come here so people can contact him.

Kind Regards
Mark
Mark, which magnets are sale? How much does he want for them?

Thanks
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 25, 2009, 08:38:44 AM
Unfortunately Sterling has no bearing on the builders and what he does can be discussed elsewhere. Geez we have threads open to cater to your every need because here at overunity.com, WE AIM TO PLEASE.

LoL...

Anyway, thats lots of magnets to play with. I can assure you its better than TV.
What I've found while playing with my Alu wheel and 36 block magnets, is that its VERY EASY to get the wheel turn by 355 or so degrees, but it never completes the turn, it just refuses. No matter how many magnets you add or how many different ways you arrange them. Even tried stators of different shapes and combinations of magnets.

It will become slower if you add more magnets, finally when you complete the circle, it just sits there on any random sticky. I guess everyone here knows that. This setup is nothing different.

Its also easy to build a 'gate'. You can arrange magnets in many ways to get a gate, where the stator prefers one direction to the other. However the energy in = energy out, even if it doesn't appear so to your eyes.

The secret is not in the arrangement or spacing or such, because it seems that even though the magnetic field is a complex thing, and not all is taught in text books about it, it surely is conservative, which means the integral of forces around a closed path adds to zero. Thats why you won't get any work out of a static arrangement of magnets.

That of course doesn't mean that there are no other ways to get to the ZPE, (dynamic stator is one possibility) lets see.....
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on May 25, 2009, 09:39:30 AM
When I get my bar magnets, I want to work on a clipping system that will enable me to position the rotors just as easily as with my neos. Otherwise I feel the gluing will be bad for trying so many testing parameters. Does anyone have any ideas on this or is using something  now that could help?

Hey Wattsup, good to see you keeping up this thread, cleaning it and allow for continuation.

As for clipping the rotor magnets, for each rotor position I use 2 magnets that have the rotor plate in between. When I look to your pictures you did the same with neo's. This is a very convenient way to move rotor magnets around.
Another method may be using double sided sticking tape.
But for weaker magnets plastic clips will work best, I agree. Best options for that is a camping shop where they sell table clips to prevent table cloth to be blown off the table.

In parallel I am simulating this motor with FEMM, a free available 2D simulation program.
Exercising with that learns me a lot about what the effect of moving magnets around in this setup is. When time allows I'll share some of these later on if sufficient interest exists.
I have no expectations to find the clue of this setup by simulations however, its just helping to understand how magnet basics work and help me in the right directions to understand how Mylows adjustment method works.


Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 25, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Some vizimag captures ...
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on May 25, 2009, 04:42:35 PM
Nice pictures Omega, I was not aware of the existence of Vizimag.

FYI I am concentrating on the forces that occur and also the Magnetic field changes in the aluminum to judge the eddy current effects.
I use FEMM to calculate the forces, cogging points and field strengths and process them using Excel
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on May 25, 2009, 06:31:27 PM
@Omega_0

Yep, thanks for these magnet graphics. You can see the 6 rotors are forming a crown although I don't think the software thinks of it is such a away. Then the stator riding on top. Really neat. I just don't know how reliable this would be to do preliminary computer simulations before considering a rotor placement strategy, but it is nice to see this in graphic form.

@robbie47

Thanks for your suggestions of rotor mag clips. I will look for these clip you talk about. as for placing neos under the bar magnets, I was thinking of this also but realize the bar magnets will have much less ability to hold in place through a 1/4" thick alu disk, compared to the three noes stacks I have held by one neo underneath. But of course I will try it when I get my bar magnets. Also I wold like the bar magnets test to be as equal to Mylows as possible so adding magnets underneath may skew the results.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: nyctuber on May 25, 2009, 06:33:58 PM
Some vizimag captures ...

According to Howard Johnson, the images do not show the proper magnetic field around the magnets due to iron filings becoming tiny magnets (I assume the program is based on that) He seems to have proved the theory with his shaded pole magnetic gate. I'm not sure though.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 25, 2009, 07:29:07 PM
robbie47,
Found anything interesting ?
Vizimag is not free, but produces pretty pictures. Free trial is here btw : http://www.vizimag.com/vizimagtr318.zip

nyctuber,
Thats right, I also don't think there are any simulators that model HJ's version of fields. If you see his plots, the fields of a bar magnet do look like two 'conventional' magnets one on top of the other, with asymmetrical fields. I will try to picture this in vizimag or FEMM, just to see...

wattsup,
I forgot to say that the one with 6 rotors has a iron permeability plate below it. Alu has a permeability of 1 (same as air), so the pic doesn't really depict the real situation (I was just playing with that s/w).
I'm also trying different arrangements by sticking the rotors with Alu plate in between, it may affect things a little bit, but in my experience both glued and doubled rotor versions basically produce the same effect (i.e. fail !)

Now we should note that Mylow's design is non-working and we all are back to the drawing board. Exact replica of his design will produce an exact fail... ;)
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Omega_0 on May 25, 2009, 10:58:01 PM
So here are some simulations of simulation of HJ version of fields.
One can approximate the field of an HJ magnet using two conventional magnets in repulsion mode.
HJ-Simple : Shows just two such magnets, all vortexes are equal.
HJ-Approx1: Shows what an offset can do, getting closer.
HJ-Approx2: Shows that thin magnets look better.
HJ-Approx3: Shows that a slightly tapered cross section will more accurately render an HJ field.

If these two magnets are used as one in the simulation s/w, we can have the HJ effect and it may produce some interesting results (like OU for example ;) )

However, these are just my ideas nothing concrete here. Hope they will be useful for some.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 26, 2009, 02:50:31 AM
Have a look at the last photo

http://touko.cjb.net/mylow/







Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on May 26, 2009, 03:37:23 AM
yes. Amazing what a little video enhancement will do when you know what you are looking for and what you wish to enhance.

In the overhead shots it shows the string passing either over or under the horizontal channel of the stator support.

In the last photo it is quite clear the string is either outside the same section or going right through it.

That Mylow was quite a genius. He must have made the fishing line appear in different locations just by the angle of view. More likely, he developed a way to pass fishing line right through the aluminum channel just like it wasn't there.
Now that is something I would like to replicate!

@markdansie,

Are you trying to replicate the fishing line in two locations at once or are you trying to make the string pass through aluminum with no holes?

Either way I would like to view your build.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on May 26, 2009, 06:05:48 AM
I am not doing a Sterling here, I recieve nothing. However my friend purchased a lot of magnets (over 1500) to do a lot of replication work and to help out others. After the fake video's were revealed he was to say the least a little out of pocket.
I hope I am not breaking any rules here but I am pasting the details and costs and a contact. I am sure they will package up the types of magnets any way you want them.
Mark

In looking over the many magnets we purchased, we can offer 2 different kits, one for the 18 “ disk motor which Mylow was demoing and testing, and using for his instructional videos, (most often with only 6 bar rotor magnets and 2 horseshoe stator magnets); and a New Second kit with magnets like the larger bar magnets Mylow shows in his latest ‘apology’ video, with the smaller dia. disk (although not free-running).

 The initial ‘Traditional’ kit will include the following magnets:

36   CB65 ceramic bar magnets - .393 x .400 x 1.875 “
 2    HS 811N Alnico horseshoe magnets
30   smaller ceramic bar magnets .390 x .25 x 2.0 “
 10  thin multipole ceramic magnets .125 x .75 x 1.95 “

The cost for this 78 magnet kit is $39 + $6 for postage – sent by fixed price priority mail


The ‘NEW Kit‘  will include the following (awaiting verification from Mylow):

15  CB60N larger ceramic bar magnets - .393 x .875 x 1.875”
  2  CB702N Hi power Ceramic bar magnets  .5 x 1.0 x2.0”
20  Small ceramic bar magnets .390 x .25 x 2.0 “
 2  CER5 Ceramic donut ring magnets 1.77 OD x .866 ID x .314T

The cost for this 39 magnet kit is $19 + $6 for postage – sent via fixed price priority mail

If anyone wants both kits the cost is $55 plus $7.50 postage = total of $62.50 for 117 magnets

Delivery time is approx 5 days

These items are available for purchase in the US only, via my son Steve @ rugbysteve@aol.com

He accepts paypal and checks, only.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: robbie47 on May 29, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
It's not over yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z62Z8-6boc
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on June 03, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
@md

I'll answer you in this Discussion thread since this is about builds, etc.
Besides, what's the rush. It's not like these wheels are going anywhere and since Mylow has now been officially declared a complete and total fake, the heat is off all us builders to try and prove a point. I mean since Mylows wheel is a fake, what exactly do you want us to prove to you. So please, just relax and enjoy the scenery. lol

@All

Anyways, at this time I am still using my neos cause my Allmagnetics order just cleared Canadian Customs today so I should be receiving them tomorrow. (Fingers crossed). Allmagnetics had to hold my order (over 250 magnets) for over a week cause one magnet was back-ordered plus the transport time between Canada and USA is as usual, slow. Another one of the main stator magnets is B/O'd till end of June or July but I got a good selection of others to test.

I now have two big crescent magnets taken from a dc motor using the procedure I posted earlier, but the polarities are through the thickness and not through the length, just like Mylow had. I'll see if I can shock them (high voltage capacitor discharge) with a center wound thick wire coil and see if the poles can shift or what. HJ put neos on the ends of his crescent magnets to get the polarities he needed. Hey, that's not fair. lol

Just with neos and a large set of round ceramic magnets as a stator the most my wheel can make so far is about 2 turns from one repulsive start, which is pretty good. You can imagine and actually see through the erratic advancements those fields pulling and pushing every way as the wheel advances slowly one segment at a time.

This neo set-up is great because I have been able to try a wide variety of magnet positions quickly and see the differences. I am sure there is some better configs and will continue with these neos for now. I'll start by populating my 1/2" wheel with the new magnets and switch the plates to tests one or the other.

But one of my main studies will be to understand the differences between the N/N and S/S repulsive forces, because they are not the same. I can do this easily with these neos by just flipping them over to S/S on one half of the wheel to see the differences between the other half that has all N/N. I am looking to figure out a way to make a more controlled environment for these studies because I think the key to all this will be the understanding that there are a minimum of four main forces at play here, N/S, S/N, N/N and S/S. The N/S and S/N would seem like the same thing but it is not. I describe it in this way to identify the attractive forces from the stator N to the rotor S and then also the attractive forces from the rotor N to the stator S. Mix this with the N/N and S/S fields that push against each other there is some definite turbulence that has to happen for the stator to turn the wheel in the way it is doing. Otherwise no forward movement would ever be possible.

If you had 10 micro-flux sensors placing 5 on one rotor and 5 on the stator and plot the flux fluctuations to see how the fields interact. If you had 50 sensors, you could plot one stator and 9 rotors. That would be the ultimate way to see this thing interact.

Below is an image of magnetic vortex from HJ's web site or somewhere. If you look at the top left image, see those short blue lines make a clear center row going from the left tip to the right tip.

Now look at a grab I took from Mylows Video #40 where he put that iron powder screen next to the turning rotors. Hmmmmmm.

Anyways lots to learn and more fun to come.

This is going to be the best part of this whole Mylow story. Playing with the wheel. I sincerely hope those that have their builds do not give up. I will post my build stuff, theories and observations here in this thread so if there are others that are doing some continued research on this, don't hold back. I will also make some youtubes when I work out the video stuff. There is a whole world of possibilities with such a wheel. Eventually I'll have some coil ideas to add in some other tests. Also thinking of putting the stator on a gyro dual shaft stabilized by a non-magnetic pendulum or counter weight. See if some gravity can help the "for every action/reaction theory". There is no hurry here for me because I still have 1/2 of my work that I do on my TPU builds (yes @otto).

@queue and others.

If you have channel rotors that you will not be using and want to sell them, let me know.

@Mylow

If you read this, (which I doubt) too bad you had to fake those videos. A real bummer. I think you should at least publicly excuse yourself at least to Mrs. Howard Johnson for creating such a commotion for her at her age, she does not deserve such stress. I am sure she will appreciate it and you will feel much better and eventually put this whole thing behind you, if that is possible at this stage I don't know and cannot promise anything. But, if you excuse yourself to her publicly, then and only then would I welcome you to come to this ONE Discussion thread so we can talk magnets and wheels. No cats or birds allowed here. I'll take care of the flak. I'll even talk to the web site owner to make sure no one comes in to muddle the discussions. This is exactly what we should have been doing from day one, talking magnets and wheels. But don't get me wrong. If you come here to shoot more s*&t, then we will know rather quickly and boot you out for good. Last chance.

@all

No comments from others required on this thread. I think everyone got the point. I know it is tempting but please contain your enthusiasms and respond on the main thread that is still open for now. No smart remarks on this thread. Any will be removed along with the complete post and not just editing out the crap. I have no time to babysit these threads anymore and most of the Mylow threads will be locked soon. I want to get back to what I like doing best and that is, building things and testing things and looking and helping other builders great efforts on this forum. Also, if someone wants to open a new thread for a new device disclosure, we can open it in the Mylow topic and keep it under moderated from day one, but you must send me a PM request first.

@md

As for your last remark, don't try and put me on the spot because it won't work. I have nothing to excuse myself for trying to run a respectable forum regardless of fake or not, does not justify what happened here. The whole story will be locked in the threads for anyone to make their own determinations. One member is already banned and the clicker is still counting.

So maybe I should ask you what you are building these days or is this a one way street.

@all again

I have gotten direct e-mails from some members and even guests to this forum stating that they are not convinced about the first wheel being faked, especially Video 6. OK, OK. Look, just understand that at this point it is clear that Mylow is a very good liar and all his wheels are fakes. His heart may be in magnets but his method is not. He needs a serious reality check. Most everyone already does believe this so the story about real or fake is a dead issue. Let's just go with that. But I leave it to you builders to personally make your own judgment call on this and act accordingly (lol), but I won't be waiting on threads to discuss this question indefinitely. It is much simpler to consider this whole thing publicly as being fake, end of story. This frees builders from the stress of trying to prove a point. We do OU R&D and no point proving is required. Not any more since Mylow is a fake. All we can do is be better then him and keep things real. So just stick with your clear tests and honest observations. That should be enough for now.

Now, one day, if and/or when someone here or elsewhere can prove the contrary, then fine. JUST MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT WRONG before you spill the beans. PLEASE. Maybe invest in a rhino suit first cause you will need the extra skin protection. lol

And as usual.
Keep the faith. Oops, wrong show. Sorry Tavis.

Uhhhh.
Back to work.
Ahhhhhh, that's better. lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on June 05, 2009, 02:31:27 PM
@ wattsup,
so why were all the other threads locked up?? I am still awaiting for your replication. You bullied people around here, made a fool of yourself and now you have gone power crazy and locked up threads you didnt even start.
Covering your embarresment????
Look we all make mistakes and you were sucked in like many others. Learn from this...don't become a dumb ass.
I would like to know where Steffan stands on this.
PS I will be away for a week. Another trip.
Keep up the good work everyone
Mark
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ramset on June 05, 2009, 02:41:41 PM
Wattsup
Thanks for the focus !!

Chet
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: waynegage on June 05, 2009, 04:27:39 PM
@ wattsup,
so why were all the other threads locked up?? I am still awaiting for your replication. You bullied people around here, made a fool of yourself and now you have gone power crazy and locked up threads you didnt even start.
Covering your embarresment????
Look we all make mistakes and you were sucked in like many others. Learn from this...don't become a dumb ass.
I would like to know where Steffan stands on this.
PS I will be away for a week. Another trip.
Keep up the good work everyone
Mark
wattsup is the worst yet.
someone should inform Stephan.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: wattsup on June 05, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
@md

Quit barking up the wrong tree. Your answer is one post before your last one if you bothered to look. Enough said.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: newbie123 on June 05, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
Just curious.. What's the point of discussing the Mylow magnet motor now?

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on June 05, 2009, 09:05:03 PM
@ wattsup
I did go back and read your previous note. Thank you for directing me there.
1. My point still stands...what right do you have to lock up threads started by other people.
2. Your language and abuse of others I found very offensive...so who is monitoring you.
3. I have a lot of builds and I travel the world validating devices. I also assist many developers. In fact I am about to head overseas this morning and on the way to the airport am delivering a $1400 alternator I am donating to an inventor who has been working on an electro magnetic motor for several years. i will post something if i have something usefull to share.The majority of serious developers don't even post here...some observe. The is a whole world going on in the background that you would be supprised at. The last project I evaluated had over 300k sunk into it. The police were looking for the inventor yesterday to lay charges. Funily enough he disappered with all the money...and of course it was a fake
4. You show liitle respect for people who do a lot of research and work like TK & ChrisC. Their knowledge and intellegence is much appreciated by many. Through there efforts and a few others the likes of the Mylow's get exposed. There are many others who observe this forum but because of the likes of people like you and your abusive attitude choose to observe rather than post.
5. So you act as spokes person for everyone...you are entitled to you opinion and it should be respected. However what right do you have to censor, edit, abuse and threaten others.
6. Did Steffan give you permission to do this? if so please have him explain this to all of us why a person like you has been given absolute power over other peoples threads.

Woof Woof
Mark

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on June 06, 2009, 03:16:33 AM
Just curious.. What's the point of discussing the Mylow magnet motor now?


I would agree that there isn't really much point of discussing the Mylow motor version at this point..... at the very least, not from a design standpoint. Opinions could differ however and do so with varying amounts of merit. The Mylow motor saga, but not the motor itself teaches us some things. I for one have noticed a profound sobering of the related community ever since that dim witted sociospastic moron who can hardly read or write, took many of us on this little ride.

The idea that Mylow had is far from being a viable device in it's present form of design. I do however believe more than very sincerely that the concept of a magnetic motor is more than plausible. It is so unfortunate that Mylow has been instrumental in alienating the faith of those who hold the key. This does not mean that the FE community cannot produce a working model but just means that we have to regenerate a lot of work that had already been done by Johnson and others. Things would be so much easier if we had certain bits of information that already exists. Now it appears that 'we', someone, will have to discover it all over again. This may take some time but relative to the time which has already passed it is just a small amount of time.

Perhaps we should start a thread as a depository only, where we can lay all the frauds to rest. Beating up this Mylow issue serves no positive purpose for those of us who have already licked our wounds and are resolved to carry on with our journey. There are those who will take care of Mylow himself.

We may yet be allowed to access the archives of Johnson. I believe that Bedini may have enough information but for reasons I soon intend to state but  cannot state right now, it is very likely that you will not see him bring it forth any time soon.

I will add to this as soon as I catch my breath.




Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: chrisC on June 06, 2009, 05:32:44 AM
@md

Quit barking up the wrong tree. Your answer is one post before your last one if you bothered to look. Enough said.

Seriously, you're THE ONE still barking up the wrong tree. Surprise us with your working MyLow motor, or just keep your profile LOW, as in myLOW! You've talked too much already with nothing to show for.

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Doug1 on June 06, 2009, 12:36:19 PM
 I agree a 100% alfparts.
 Was it you who lives below the Tenn. line or was some one ells. Some one is in birmingham.
 I have been packing up stuff for a few weeks to relocate so most of my work is on hold. It was not easy to pack everything up and even harder to part with some of it. When i get settled in hopefully before august I can restart but if it takes as long to unpack and get organized again it could be longer.
   I really need to stop being such a pack rat or find a junk yard to buy with a home near it.lol
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on June 06, 2009, 03:33:03 PM
Seriously, you're THE ONE still barking up the wrong tree. Surprise us with your working MyLow motor, or just keep your profile LOW, as in myLOW! You've talked too much already with nothing to show for.

cheers
chrisC

There are so many caustic people on this forum. Give the man a chance. It's not like this is his full time job!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on June 06, 2009, 03:41:35 PM
I agree a 100% alfparts.
 Was it you who lives below the Tenn. line or was some one ells. Some one is in birmingham.
 I have been packing up stuff for a few weeks to relocate so most of my work is on hold. It was not easy to pack everything up and even harder to part with some of it. When i get settled in hopefully before august I can restart but if it takes as long to unpack and get organized again it could be longer.
   I really need to stop being such a pack rat or find a junk yard to buy with a home near it.lol

Ahh, you can come over and put it in my backyard. I don't think that anybody will notice and even if they do, they want care. Also we can store a lot of it in the house since there is nobody living there except for Micky. That'll give us another 3000 sq feet but ya might have to help me throw out all the household stuff.

 I don't live in Tennessee. I live in Blacksburg right up the street from Howard's house.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: BEP on June 06, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
There are so many caustic people on this forum. Give the man a chance. It's not like this is his full time job!

Watchit! He has five stars!

After all, he's been here a very long time, shared countless experiments, is almost never abusive, helps experimenters whenever he can, tries to maintain some sanity for the forum....

Ooops sorry. That was @wattsup not @chrisc or the many reincarnations, thereof.
 
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: supermuble on July 10, 2009, 06:16:52 AM
I found the Mylow story only yesterday. Though I did find this written by a journalist for Science and Mechanics Magazine in regards to a military engineer who made an all magnetic motor. To show the concept, this engineer provided a small magnetic motor example described below by the journalist who played around with it.

    "The second device has the U-shaped magnets standing on end in a rough circular arrangement oddly reminiscent of England's Stonehenge. This assembly is mounted on a transparent plastic sheet supported on a plywood panel pivoted, underneath, on a free turning wheel obtained from a skateboard. As instructed, I eased the 8-ounce focusing magnet into the ring of larger magnets, keeping it at least four inches away from the ring. The 40 pound magnet assembly immediately began to turn and accelerated to a very respectable rotating speed which it maintained for as long as the focusing magnet was held in the magnetic field. When the focusing magnet was reversed, the large assembly turned in the opposite direction.
    Since this assembly is clearly a crude sort of motor, there's no doubt that it is indeed possible to construct a motor powered solely by permanent magnets."


Here is the link

http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-text.html

You can click around to various locations. This technology was granted a patent by the U.S. Patent office based on a workable concept using energy from magnetism.

This article got me pretty excited since it sounds very sincere.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on July 10, 2009, 07:55:06 AM
New Mylow motor replication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFaU6RO_LRI

Does this look like Mylow to anyone? :o
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Digjam on July 10, 2009, 09:36:26 AM
Didn't even think about that  ::)
Also it's obvious that Mr Hand is the motive force.
But even if the hand wasn't spinning it, the hard
drive motor makes it suspect
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Asymatrix on July 10, 2009, 10:39:13 AM
Didn't even think about that  ::)
Also it's obvious that Mr Hand is the motive force.
But even if the hand wasn't spinning it, the hard
drive motor makes it suspect

Yep, it's Juan (Mylow) back again for his narcissistic fix. What a clown.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 10, 2009, 10:45:51 AM
Geeze, it is even the same table cloth from the video with the fishing line.

Bill
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Cloxxki on July 10, 2009, 11:54:24 AM
More than proof of any kind, I'm still, and increasingly wondering about his MOTIVE.

Worries regarding his mental health on my part seem to be increasing in strength vs. safety concerns related to any violent opposing parties.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: markdansie on July 10, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
I will get onto Sterling right away...will have plans for sale by the weekend
LMAO
Mark
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2009, 04:00:23 PM
OOps, I thot this was the alien abortion thread.
 :o
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: supermuble on July 17, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
Working Mylow replication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Asymatrix on July 17, 2009, 10:13:41 PM
Working Mylow replication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s

No. It's a SMOT. Close the loop and you get zilch.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on July 18, 2009, 05:02:11 AM
Working Mylow replication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8vJx6cg2s

I wish it was a 'working' replication but it does not work. I mean....geeee, where's the freakin string?! :) I'd still like to go pay that Ricky a little visit. I don't think that he has any idea just how much he has messed things up. I wouldn't do it but I'd 'like' to post the twenty some hours of conversations we had. His screws arent't loose..... they have completely fallen out!
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: zydubion on July 20, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
A real magnet motor will soon emerge.  It won't be a situation in which anyone will be saying "yeah, it spins, but will it produce enough energy to make an LED twinkle?  It will have POWER and there will be no doubt that a permanent magnet motor works and will be the motive force of the future.  Mark these words, it will emerge within 6 months.  The most important and required component will be the BRAKE.   
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Xaero_Vincent on July 28, 2009, 05:50:59 AM
A real magnet motor will soon emerge.  It won't be a situation in which anyone will be saying "yeah, it spins, but will it produce enough energy to make an LED twinkle?  It will have POWER and there will be no doubt that a permanent magnet motor works and will be the motive force of the future.  Mark these words, it will emerge within 6 months.  The most important and required component will be the BRAKE.   

I suspect that hover boards will be a real product on the market by then. Oh and pigs will be genetically altered to fly as well.

BTW, producing torque isn't the only issue--besides making it actually spinning in the first place. You'll have to make sure that the magnets don't demagnetize the flux with constant repulsive positions with other magnets. If that were to happen then the motor power would simply be a poor energy-dense battery.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: ALFPARTS on July 29, 2009, 04:01:10 AM
I suspect that hover boards will be a real product on the market by then. Oh and pigs will be genetically altered to fly as well.

BTW, producing torque isn't the only issue--besides making it actually spinning in the first place. You'll have to make sure that the magnets don't demagnetize the flux with constant repulsive positions with other magnets. If that were to happen then the motor power would simply be a poor energy-dense battery.
I suspect that hover boards will be a real product on the market by then. Oh and pigs will be genetically altered to fly as well.

BTW, producing torque isn't the only issue--besides making it actually spinning in the first place. You'll have to make sure that the magnets don't demagnetize the flux with constant repulsive positions with other magnets. If that were to happen then the motor power would simply be a poor energy-dense battery.

While the previous statement about the emergence of actual working magnet motor technology might be a bit optimistic and perhaps even ludicrous to some people, the foregoing comment concerning 'hover boards' etc might well be considered ludicrous also. I am very curious about this claim of impending emergence, to say the least. I remember Mylow still and wonder why he stopped taking his medication. However, in all fairness the person who made this statement in regard to flying pigs and such seems to purpose that they might know a little about what they're talking about but obviously do not. The grammar suffers also....... For starters, there is a relatively simple way to keep the magnets from demagnetizing. This is a function of the angular attack approach and desent relationships of the 'magnets' between the two or more interacting magnet structures and is dependent, among other things, on how the individual 'magnets' were electromagnetically oriented in the first place.
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Justalabrat on July 31, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
New videos from MyLow!  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8tsdVhcYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL7nnyHq_M

Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: Digjam on July 31, 2009, 10:22:11 PM
Deja-vu All over again
Title: Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
Post by: clone477 on December 23, 2019, 05:01:32 PM
Wow this is bringing an old thread back to life.....I thought I would post a link to some Howard Johnson stator magnets I just had made, that I had to purchase in bulk.  Admin, if this is not allowed just let me know and you can remove it.  Cheers


https://www.ebay.ca/itm/202860673904