Author Topic: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion (Read 169504 times)

wattsup · « **Reply #255 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:52:28 PM »

Quote from: nyctuber on May 10, 2009, 11:44:14 PM

According to Mylow, the width of the bar mag rotors needs to be 2 stators plus a gap, with the 2 stator design. The bar magnets are through magnetized, N or S pole facing up.

2 rotors plus a gap would be the two rotors and the gap between them, then you would also have to add the next gap as well. That would technically make 2 rotors plus 2 gaps wide for the stator. If the gap is half a rotor width, we could summarize by saying the stator it three rotor widths.

On the other end, if the rotor is 2 inches long, each stator shoudl be 1 inch.

This is what I understoond from one of his build videos.

But then again, I am sure any slight variations of the above could be easilly compentated for by putting the stators closer or farther apart, higher or lower. That will be the main work.

Added: I just received my 4 ceramic ball bearings. Now ready to give all parts to my metal shop guy and get this wheel finished while I order my magnets. All in good time.

Bearing Specs:
Brand: Unknown
Model 6202 5/8th
Bore Dia.: 0.625"
Bearing Dia.: 1.378"
Bearing Height: 0.433"
Ceramic Bearing Color: Black
Supplier: Bearing Kinetics Inc.
Web Site: www.bearingkinetics.com

AbbaRue · « **Reply #256 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »

If you drop a strong magnet down a copper pipe the magnet falls in slow motion.
This is because the magnet falling creates an electromagnetic field in the pipe.
I believe this principle is at play here on the aluminum disk,
and is overcoming the sticky spot in the gap.
I know this has already been mentioned here before, but I just
wanted to mention, this is my theory on how this works too.
Another consideration here is the Faraday Disk principle.
Magnets attached to a conducting disk set up a Faraday Disk.

Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl believes permanent magnets collect cosmic energy and transform it into magnetism.
If this is true then a Permanent Magnet Motor doesn't violate any laws of physics,
it is just an energy collector like a solar cell.
We just need to find a way to harness the energy collected.

Keep up the good work, I think we're on to something here.

nyctuber · « **Reply #257 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:52:43 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on May 12, 2009, 05:52:28 PM

2 rotors plus a gap would be the two rotors and the gap between them, then you would also have to add the next gap as well. That would technically make 2 rotors plus 2 gaps wide for the stator. If the gap is half a rotor width, we could summarize by saying the stator it three rotor widths.

On the other end, if the rotor is 2 inches long, each stator shoudl be 1 inch.

This is what I understoond from one of his build videos.

But then again, I am sure any slight variations of the above could be easilly compentated for by putting the stators closer or farther apart, higher or lower. That will be the main work.

Added: I just received my 4 ceramic ball bearings. Now ready to give all parts to my metal shop guy and get this wheel finished while I order my magnets. All in good time.

Bearing Specs:
Brand: Unknown
Model 6202 5/8th
Bore Dia.: 0.625"
Bearing Dia.: 1.378"
Bearing Height: 0.433"
Ceramic Bearing Color: Black
Supplier: Bearing Kinetics Inc.
Web Site: www.bearingkinetics.com

Good luck

TinselKoala · « **Reply #258 on:** May 12, 2009, 07:54:31 PM »

Quote from: AbbaRue on May 12, 2009, 07:21:56 PM

If you drop a strong magnet down a copper pipe the magnet falls in slow motion.
This is because the magnet falling creates an electromagnetic field in the pipe.
I believe this principle is at play here on the aluminum disk,
and is overcoming the sticky spot in the gap.
I know this has already been mentioned here before, but I just
wanted to mention, this is my theory on how this works too.
Another consideration here is the Faraday Disk principle.
Magnets attached to a conducting disk set up a Faraday Disk.

Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl believes permanent magnets collect cosmic energy and transform it into magnetism.
If this is true then a Permanent Magnet Motor doesn't violate any laws of physics,
it is just an energy collector like a solar cell.
We just need to find a way to harness the energy collected.

Keep up the good work, I think we're on to something here.

Dropping a magnet in a tube results in RETARDING the motion of the magnet, due to the induction of eddy currents and their opposing magnetic fields in the material of the tube. Conversely if the magnet is stationary and you try to slide the tube over it, the tube's motion will be retarded.

I have shown that the mere presence of a stator magnet in Mylow's position retards the motion of the disk by around 40 percent--that is, the eddy drag makes the disk stop 40 percent faster than it would with no stator in place.

So, Mylow has hit upon a configuration that not only provides considerable thrust (so much that even when the stator mount is removed, he still has to keep the wheel from turning with his hands; see the glass table video) but also neutralizes this eddy drag (which, BTW, should be slowing down the disk in the gaps between rotor magnet groups...but it doesn't...) or converts it into thrust.

And he's done this in EIGHT, no, now NINE different configurations of magnets.

Do Professor Meyl's "beliefs" generate any testable hypotheses? What exactly is "cosmic energy?"

Do you think that rotor magnets turning with the rotor disk will set up a Faraday Disk? And, if so, how could this produce thrust without external input of power, since there aren't any brushes or axial feeds? What's being pushed against to generate thrust? It isn't the stator on its mount; that is clearly too light and unsupported to create thrust on the disk.

Are those ceramic bearings the exact duplicate of what Mylow has in his motor?

wattsup · « **Reply #259 on:** May 12, 2009, 09:27:50 PM »

@AbbaRue

There may be a link but the stator is rather far from the alu-plate and I do not know if the magnet/copper tube effect could be extended also to aluminum.

I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.

@nyctuber

Thanks.

@TK

No. Mylows bearing is standard. He did mention once about ceramic bearings so this is why I wanted to used them. I figure metal bearings on metal casing will cause some drag if it is magnetised whereas ceramic bearings will not.

@All

I am putting up a build spec on my wheel as I will also use this to give this to the machine shop. You will notice I have two wheels that I will try out, plus the smaller discs and center cylinder are bigger then Mylows dimensions. I have done this on purpose as I want to see if more mass creates more inertia under the same non-fixed-axled wheel design and if it will afford the wheel some gyro effect.

"We shall see", said the blind man.

AbbaRue · « **Reply #260 on:** May 13, 2009, 03:02:10 AM »

@Wattsup

Quote

I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.

This is the principle behind the VTA.
He reprogrammed the magnet to oscillate at 60 Hz.
Then collected power from it using resonance.

wattsup · « **Reply #261 on:** May 13, 2009, 06:38:00 AM »

@AbbaRue

Could you please expand on this idea and please explain what is a VTA.
I'm kinda lost.

Omega_0 · « **Reply #262 on:** May 13, 2009, 07:17:42 AM »

http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/

Seems this one is working too.....

chrisC · « **Reply #263 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:24:35 AM »

Quote from: Omega_0 on May 13, 2009, 07:17:42 AM

http://pesn.com/2009/05/12/9501540_Mylow_gets_off-the-shelf_magnet-motor_running/

Seems this one is working too.....

Congratulations MyLow! Wow, everything he touches turns into gold! Must really be the man with the midas touch. Well, I'm going to guess that most replicators won't be able to make theirs work because somehow the aluminum disk used is actually supplied by some aliens(?).

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I do have the same magnets used by MyLow off-the shelf bought at Home Depot and mine didn't turn any heads!

cheers
chrisC

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #264 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:31:20 AM »

Chris:

I saw the report over on Sterling's site but have not seen this latest video anywhere. Do you have any links to it yet? That bird is not named Lucky for nothing. He may be the secret to the whole thing.

Bill

chrisC · « **Reply #265 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:36:46 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 13, 2009, 08:31:20 AM

Chris:

I saw the report over on Sterling's site but have not seen this latest video anywhere. Do you have any links to it yet? That bird is not named Lucky for nothing. He may be the secret to the whole thing.

Bill

Sorry Bill. I have not seen the video yet. My take is that Sterling must be the only one who has seen it otherwise how could he have posted the confirmation? Maybe he had visions of MyLow's continued success? Mine is myopic!

cheers
chrisC

TinselKoala · « **Reply #266 on:** May 13, 2009, 03:21:05 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on May 12, 2009, 09:27:50 PM

There may be a link but the stator is rather far from the alu-plate and I do not know if the magnet/copper tube effect could be extended also to aluminum.

I am wondering however if anyone ever figured out a way to connect a magnet to an oscilloscope to see if there are any specific waveforms. Imagine if that was possible.

See this graph? At about 630 seconds I bring a stator, identical to one Mylow uses, into position above a blank (no rotor magnets) disk. The stator is about 3 inches above the disk, just like his. You can see the RPM drop. Then I remove the stator and you can see the rpm increase. Then I remove the motor drive coupling and you can see the disk rundown without any magnet influence. If I had left the stator in place for this portion it would be 40 percent faster--that is the disk would stop that much sooner. The drag is significant and definitely noticeable with aluminum and at the magnet strengths and distances Mylow uses.
I can also show you graphs of Hall effect sensor signals from moving magnets. But if anybody can show me evidence of a stationary permanent magnet oscillating at 60 Hz, or any frequency, I'd really like to see it. And I know all about Floyd Sweet, thanks. I mean evidence, not anecdote.

(Left axis is RPM x 3.8, for increased resolution.)

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #267 on:** May 13, 2009, 04:37:12 PM »

@all

If you want to replicate the HJM magnet motor, go to this link where mylou himself is giving exact and precise instructions on how to build his replication.
http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1

Jesus

TinselKoala · « **Reply #268 on:** May 13, 2009, 04:47:21 PM »

So, it won't be long before the successful replications start pouring in, then. Will it.
In fact, Mylow makes it look so very easy, that it does seem just a little bit strange that nobody's done it yet. Doesn't it.
And it also seems strange, now that he's going so public, that he won't have a couple of engineers look at his running one, so that he can take my money and make me look silly.

Doesn't it?

Cloxxki · « **Reply #269 on:** May 13, 2009, 05:06:27 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 13, 2009, 04:47:21 PM

So, it won't be long before the successful replications start pouring in, then. Will it.
In fact, Mylow makes it look so very easy, that it does seem just a little bit strange that nobody's done it yet. Doesn't it.
And it also seems strange, now that he's going so public, that he won't have a couple of engineers look at his running one, so that he can take my money and make me look silly.

Doesn't it?

Won't you look silly if first you've tried and failed, then questioned Mylow's tutoring skills, before indeed successful replications do start pouring in?
Why not stay open for the option that some guru out there has a really good feel for something, and that his skills can to some degree be transferred on others? At least the guy has been trying persistently for a long time.

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