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Offline Michelinho

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2009, 04:55:14 PM »
@ X00013

So you never heard of "Project Echelon".

@ maw2432,

Nice wheel. Are your dice loaded?  ::)

Hi wattsup,

I like the small metal strip idea as it would probably weaken the field or bend it so the entry is smoother but it will also weaken the exit push so longer grouping of "C" pusher magnet might be needed. Try different positioning in the inside of the C and even in the bottom  perpendicular to the platter. Round or flat may give slightly different results.

I'll try to set up a jig to take more pictures of manipulated magnetic fields, got a few of my grand kids home for Easter Weekend so that may slow things down a bit.

Take care,

Michel

P.S.: Got the magnets last night,  the motor generator that is in the making will have a 6.125" diameter and will have 8  6" X 2" X 0.500" that weight a little more than 1 lb each. The electronic module we will try has 2 output one gives positive square waves and the other fills in with high frequency pulses during the same time as the first pulse. If I can couple the hall effect board, that should give lots of BEMF. It comes from a medical air breather assist unit. The fan was noisy so they installed a newer motor with controller board but the electrical circuit was still in perfect condition in both. The controler monitors speed and regulates it according to the set input setting.
 
Edit: Try on the side of the exit/entry rotor magnets also.


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2009, 04:55:14 PM »

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2009, 06:40:06 PM »
Hi all,

In part two I will try to explain how you can pull in one vortex at the pole of a magnet while the same action does push in the opposite direction creating a vortex that is easy to get into and that has a repulsing effect with a lot more bang for free.

If you do the same to the rotor magnet, you can get away with the "U" magnet and the rapid demagnetization. I have first try to get pictures done to illustrate although the viewing film my not be adequate for the job as it contains very fine iron particles that mess with the fields. If not, I'll do a few drawings. That is when I am off the painkillers.

One picture and one document from Howard Johnson's work from the Cheniere's site:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/johnson.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/howardjohnson/index.html

Take care,

Michel

P.S.: Those who saw and understood the previous pictures will already know what I mean by sucking in one vortex or a complete pole with the aid of a shaped weaker magnet just like Howard Johnson did.


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2009, 03:14:40 AM »
I ripped a magnet out of an old hard drive for a stator. It's curved and has a north south.at the ends. My best pattern so far seems to be.

a 3 - 2 then a 3 - 2 - 1 and then it repeats

S stands for a space and R for rotor.

R S R S R S S R S R S S R S S S R S R S R S S R S R S S S  pattern repeats


I mentions it cause there is a lot of odd numbers. Mylow had a lot of 3 rotors sets and 7 rotor sets on his wheels and closed off with an even number don't know if it means much. one last thing the hard drive magnet is a bit strange. by holding it and just changing the angle slightly there were a couple of times the wheel wanted to try and rotate in the other direction.(not flipping north south but by just changing the angle) Stator position and angles seemed to be important for me in the way it exited and enter the gate. Some form of adjustable stand for your stator might be worth the effort.

Someone else might need to confirm this my wheel is slightly warped. What seem to work best in working out my pattern was starting the wheel in the middle or a set or 2 before the middle in what ever rotors I had around the edge. It like the ends balance each other  and I could see a bit more clearly the effect of the pattern I chose. When I started it at the ends it looked like the pattern was a dud as I was building it till it started to get more than halfway around the disc. building a pattern from starting it at the ends all the time seemed to cause the wheel to slow down with the more magnets I added. When I worked from the middle( or a set or 2 before the middle) in finding my patterns adding more magnets did not seem to cause the slow down.

 :o :)


 


Change for a better wheel (less wobble) and things are not the same scrath what I said about the patterns  ???

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2009, 05:15:43 AM »
Still have a few things i wanted to test before i give it up and rake the yard  .. but i came across this config today ..
So far none of the original Mylow array configs i have tested have worked for my mags or my rig.

Today i tried a rotor array that seemed to work out pretty well. On the disk in the vid there are 2 different test arrays
but check out the one with 16 mags in it..
Interesting .. it's swings ..

i plan to test a disk with this rotor config continued around 16.3 or maybe 16.4
If this thing does work it's probably different for each set of stator-rotor mags one might use.

You tube is here ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEpD9hoiRQ

Cheers
Queue

Offline Michelinho

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2009, 05:37:37 AM »

Hi Queue,

Congrats, you have just found the proper spacing of the rotor magnets for your stator magnet width. Put a narrower stator magnet and 16.4 will react like the one you have on the less effective grouping.  ;)

You might still get rapid demagnetization if it is working in repulsive mode though.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2009, 06:08:02 AM »
@Queue,

We provide just enough energy to rotate the disk a few degrees. As yours shows, it rotates over half way.

Why can't folks understand what this means?

BTW: Excellent work. I'm seeing the same. Please don't try closing the magnetic rotor loop. What I found is when that is done there is at least one place where the polarity flips 180 deg. even though the magnet's polarity is the same all the way around.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2009, 06:45:52 AM »

@ BEP,

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Why can't folks understand what this means?

My comment is very relevant to his experiment as others try the same thing with a different size of stator magnet, they will fail and start yelling "FAKE" like I've seen in another thread. Then the research will be lost in irrelevant discussions about not using a glass table or independent testing and so on. But I have not seen the slingshot effect that Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor and linear track.

It is a first step success and I congratulated him for his efforts.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
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« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2009, 06:52:31 AM »
Sorry
Wasn't meant for you.

(I hate Blackberrys)

@Michelinho,

Your last post is all too true and it is clear you see. The beginnings of the slingshot effect is clear.

BTW: I saw a post about using more than one stator.... If so, I suggest if you have an even number of rotor groups use an uneven number of stators - or the reverse. It comes out better.

It also decreases the chances of closing the rotor loop (bad) and the number or rotor magnets required.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2009, 07:13:00 AM »
Hi BEP,

I don't see much of a problem in closing the loop if the magnets are not too strong. I would say it is premature to look at this problem as I wanted to wait for further experimentation. Maybe 2 or four pieces of iron wires sticking up from the outside perimeter one at the end of a group and the other at the beginning of the next group would nullify that dreaded close loop problem.
 
It may be tougher than that but not impossible to achieve.

Take care,

Michel

Edit: Copper shielding or something esle could be use. Are you familiar with Clanzer experiment with 2 adjacent magnets on wheels and he tested many different metals to see the effects? The answer could come from that too.


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2009, 07:38:57 AM »
Sorry
Wasn't meant for you.

(I hate Blackberrys)

@Michelinho,

Your last post is all too true and it is clear you see. The beginnings of the slingshot effect is clear.

BTW: I saw a post about using more than one stator.... If so, I suggest if you have an even number of rotor groups use an uneven number of stators - or the reverse. It comes out better.

It also decreases the chances of closing the rotor loop (bad) and the number or rotor magnets required.


@BEP

Yes I agree that Dusty's YouTube drawing on yellow pad paper made a lot of sense on the 120 degree and 3 phase stator arrangement.

cheers
chrisC

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2009, 07:58:12 AM »
@ BEP and christC,

I have read somewhere that Mylow tried with a second stator arm and that did not work.

I think an even number would be tougher to get positive results from but an odd number would probably work as long as identical stator magnets are used.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2009, 08:13:26 AM »
@ BEP and christC,

I have read somewhere that Mylow tried with a second stator arm and that did not work.

I think an even number would be tougher to get positive results from but an odd number would probably work as long as identical stator magnets are used.

Take care,

Michel



@ Michelinho

Yes, Mylow did state he had used 2 stators(opposite ends, I think) and it didn't work. Dusty's reasoning seemed an intelligent resoning because of the distance the gates were entered and exited with respect to the rotation. I wished I had the magnets to give it a shot! Maybe Queue  or Wattsup can give that a shot?

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2009, 08:49:56 AM »
when you add more magnets the flux seems to interact and slow the hole wheel down. I was wondering about some form of magnetic shielding to try and separate the effect of the rotors at the stator.

This vid shows a poor mans magnetic shield at the end of it using what looks like a bit of a metal measuring tape. The metal tape would not be shielding the field I guess it would be directing it away some how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k

If we could use something like this to drop the entry barrier or the effect of the whole circle - You get what I am thinking.  ;)


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2009, 09:38:45 AM »

Hi jester,

Here is an excellent video made by Clanzer on magnetic shielding where movement is involved:

Magnetmotor - flux switching  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nDAuob2rQ

Using Clanzer's experiment and what Howard Johnson left us to work with, I really think we can solve the problem.

See post: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg170145#msg170145

Take care,

Michel




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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2009, 11:02:29 AM »
when you add more magnets the flux seems to interact and slow the hole wheel down. I was wondering about some form of magnetic shielding to try and separate the effect of the rotors at the stator.

This vid shows a poor mans magnetic shield at the end of it using what looks like a bit of a metal measuring tape. The metal tape would not be shielding the field I guess it would be directing it away some how.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k

If we could use something like this to drop the entry barrier or the effect of the whole circle - You get what I am thinking.  ;)



Also see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA&feature=channel_page

 

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