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Author Topic: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion  (Read 121912 times)

Offline Michelinho

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2009, 10:21:45 PM »

Hi robbie47,

I have a 6" X 6" magnetic viewing film and an old HP Photosmart camera with fix lens 2.1 mega pixels that does not do macro  :'(. I crop in Gimp to cut out the unneeded part.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2009, 10:57:52 PM »
@Michelinho

Can you post a picture of just the magnet without the paper so we can have an idea on what it really looks like. Thanks for the in.

I am posting a drawing on what I will give to my friend that has a metal shop, to see if he can make a groove on the inside of the wheel rim. This type of set-up would enable me to play with the magnets just by loosening the each rotor bottom bolt and sliding the magnets to their new positions.

Added: I just saw you rlast post and will read it when I get back home from the office. lol

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2009, 11:09:56 PM »
I have a 6" X 6" magnetic viewing film and an old HP Photosmart camera with fix lens 2.1 mega pixels that does not do macro  :'(. I crop in Gimp to cut out the unneeded part.

Thanks Michel.
I'll have a look on the internet where to buy this magnetic viewing film. Pretty handy film. I was not aware of it's existance.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2009, 11:09:56 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2009, 12:28:49 AM »
Hi robbie47,

please have a look here :

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/   and

see what this screen-material can do ( first link on the right side : Magnetic Singularity using the Flux Resonatorâ„¢) :

http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2009, 01:12:12 AM »

Hi wattsup,
 
Here is the picture of the floppy ring magnet with the strip of flexible magnet above and a AAA battery for size.

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Michel


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« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2009, 01:12:12 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2009, 02:08:31 AM »
@wattsup

All these designs so far have enough B field to lift an M1A1.  We're not trying to lift tanks, just spin a wheel like HJ did.  If we believe Mylow's latest reports, the motor worked up  to the point the rotor magnets wouldn't even attract iron filings.  This says that B fields are not doing the work - it's something else. 

The "else" are the short range assymetrical vortical spin fields that underlie, are hidden by and are masked by the powerful and symmetrical B fields that DO NO WORK.  This is why HJ used heavy permeability plates (steel or iron of some sort) to contain the B fields.  Then he used tall channel magnets to separate the N and S poles so the vortical spin fields surrounding each pole are not fighting each other, then used only the N pole generated spin fields to power the device.

If you believe HJ (and he has a WORKING and PATENTED pmm), the short range vortical and assymetric spin fields are a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MAGNETIC REACTION than the normal long range and symmetrical push pull B fields we are all familiar with.

So ideally we need taller channel magnets from those that Mylow used.  HJ's device was reportedly (by Al Witherspoon) to be about 24 inches in dia so by roughly scaling the picture are probably 6" tall.  Then he used thick steel or iron permeability plates on the back side of the channel magnets (and maybe even some between - hard to tell from the pic) to suck up the B fields.

In Mylows Ruler Measurement video, he displayed two of the rotor channel magnets on a piece of
paper within 3/4" of each other with no attraction/reaction whatsoever.  This shows that his magnets
were extremely weak to start with and now they are totally dead.  So anything more than a 1 lb pull
is probably way too much.  Even a 1 lb pull magnet will probably require permeability plates.

Sticky spots=B fields=non working motor.  >:(
« Last Edit: April 10, 2009, 04:53:42 AM by cloud camper »

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2009, 05:15:15 AM »


Let me summarize what he told us:

1- A magnet is composed of 2 poles, a South and a North pole.
2- Each pole emits 2 vortexes. A "South Pole"* vortex and a "North Pole"* vortex.
3- Each vortex of a common pole have a different strength.
4- The return path of magnetic vortexes in a magnet is situated roughly at the center of the magnet, not at the opposite end.
5- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the North pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 80, so we have a effective and shown North predominance.
6- Given the "North" magnetic vortex a value of 100, he found that at the South pole of the magnet, there is a North* magnetic vortex with a value of 100 and a South* magnetic vortex with a value of 120, so we have an effective and shown South predominance.

That is basically what Howard Johnson and another fellow, which I don't recall the name, measured with precision using state of the art instrumentation in I think 1957. Since then, with the blessing of the Academics and Regulatory brains, that knowledge has been buried and mostly forbidden in its use for academic teaching. That was 52 years ago and it is still under a load of denial.


That is all for now as I have to go rest my back.

Read and reread Howard Johnson's book “The Secret World of Magnets” until you understand this then start applying his knowledge to your Permanent Magnet Work.

Part Two will be on how to manipulate those vortexes to your advantage and get a greater chance of succeeding in your build of a Permanent Magnetic Motor. It can also be used to amplify the potential of anything involving magnets.

Take care all,

Michel


* Those vortexes are composed of CW spin particles and CCW spin particles. Which is which is not of much value here, those who want to get deeper in the subject should read “The Secret World of Magnets”.

Has anyone ever tried to shield the center of a bar magnet all the way around it?

Or could this be why the center portion is cut out to make the arch of the magnetic flux abnormal?

Would not having the magnets themselves symmetrical within there flux patter allow for a symmetrical placement on the rotor?

Just thinking out loud here at questions I ask myself...


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM »
@ ALL !! , there are BUCKET loads of Chinese magnet manufactures that will go to great legnths to make you ANY magnet, out of any material, to any stregnth, it's like "pick your poison", do some research made-in-china.com for one, send some inquiries with pics and dims, the Chinese people are very polite and promt.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2009, 05:59:33 AM »
please have a look here :

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/   and
see what this screen-material can do ( first link on the right side : Magnetic Singularity using the Flux Resonatorâ„¢) :
http://sirzerp.blip.tv/#1618702

Kator01

Thanks Kator. Amazing stuff.  I wonder how linear this detection material is.

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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2009, 05:59:33 AM »
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Offline Michelinho

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2009, 06:10:26 AM »

Hi Infringer,

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Has anyone ever tried to shield the center of a bar magnet all the way around it?

Or could this be why the center portion is cut out to make the arch of the magnetic flux abnormal?

Would not having the magnets themselves symmetrical within there flux patter allow for a symmetrical placement on the rotor?

Just thinking out loud here at questions I ask myself...

A magnet as you probably found out is a self healing piece of hardware, if you could block the center completely without any way for it to go around, it would simply make new poles like if you cut a magnet in 2, 4, 8 or 11 pieces, you get that many more small magnets. I have a few ceramic magnets that were overpowered by some neodymium magnet stuck to it, they now show many unwanted poles.

Cut my left arm and it wont make 2 mini Me...   ;D

Take care,

Michel


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2009, 06:13:34 AM »

Hi X00013,

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@ ALL !! , there are BUCKET loads of Chinese magnet manufactures that will go to great legnths to make you ANY magnet, out of any material, to any stregnth, it's like "pick your poison", do some research made-in-china.com for one, send some inquiries with pics and dims, the Chinese people are very polite and promt.

I would love to do that but the shape I would want, half moon like Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor would never make it through custom. Try to order some and you will be put on a watch list.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2009, 06:13:34 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2009, 06:20:22 AM »
Hi X00013,

I would love to do that but the shape I would want, half moon like Howard Johnson used in his magnetic motor would never make it through custom. Try to order some and you will be put on a watch list.

Take care,

Michel



I cant agree with you, 95% of magnets in us are imported.  Your talkn nonsense.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2009, 03:00:58 PM »
Some good posts, thanks.

Here is a hunch and a few more coming once I get some more round alnico magnets for my tests that will help make some easy advancing in testing for standard "Mylow wheellers".

We know horseshoe magnets last longer if there is a keeper.

Well why not try a "keeper ring" that would be a thin iron ring about the diameter of a 12 awg wire as shown below. Either one ring going over all the rotors top north as shown.

Or...........smaller lengths going from the last rotor of a set to the first of the next set (rotors 6 to1 or 7 to 1) and by doing so this will change the flux path between these two stickiest spots. The keepers could be round of flat.

Also if you use small lengths of let's say flat iron strips (like the metal straps used to secure pallets or other shipping stuff, going from 6-1, stuck to the top of rotors, then find a round alnico magnet and stick it to the center of the bar with north up. This will act as a magnetic bias on the piece or iron to repolarize it with north up. The iron homogenizes rotors 6 and 1 and the magnet repolarizes. Try one iron piece between two sets then see how it goes with the stator, if good, then try a second, then a third. If three work and four do not, then put them in packs of three and worry about those points after.

Anyways, yo guys get the idea on how to do variations, this is just one way of playing with the wheel. I need some more round alnico's.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2009, 03:06:19 PM »
I believe Mylow's motor was working because it was using a little gravity assistance until someone pointed out that his dresser/table was not level in video 34.   In video 37 he then claims he leveled the dresser/table.  This to me says it was not level in all the other videos.    All my replication tests were done on a level pool table.   I finially gave up and removed all my magnets from my clock wheel.  Question,  how significant is it if Mylow's wheel was really not level and somewhat unbalanced?   Has anyone tried a little gravity assistance?   Maybe this is the key to why his first worked. 

Photo of my replication that I later took apart.

Bill

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« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2009, 04:04:30 PM »
@maw2432

I don't think gravity has anything to do with it. If gravity had somethig to do, it would also have an equal something to do against which would canel out any potential gains.

 

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