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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #405 on: May 19, 2009, 03:18:28 AM »
@Yucca: Are you exploding 555's? Good fast blocking diodes will fix that.
 This is a really nice flyback driver that I like a lot. You don't have to make it "sing", of course, but if you do --you will be amazed at the fidelity. It's nice to be able to heterodyne an audio signal on top of the high-freq HV.
http://www.volny.cz/jmartis/flyback_singingarc.png

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #406 on: May 19, 2009, 04:36:17 AM »
Hi Bep,

My thoughts on the overall sin wave are:


Thanks for explaining your and many others point of view. I will give on the X as I can estimate the numbers for that to a reasonable tolerance from a video. However, Y is not acceptable to me without numbers. That shift could be several 10's of RPM or it could be so small it shouldn't even be considered.

Must be my constant creation and use of such graphs that is getting me down on this one. I'm used to dealing in microns and sub-milliseconds (for the mechanical devices). Without numbers this graph is not worth considering, in my book. Then when the link evaporated I nailed the coffin shut on that source.

Sorry, I've never been considered one to fall in-line with either herd. My judgments are mine and they'll stay that way.

I'm not going to pay for the hi-res any more than I would pay for the motor plans.  The videos neither prove nor disprove anything for me.

So no need to debate as far as I'm concerned.
I'll find my own answers with due time.


Popping ICs is relaxing but I keep a box of huge electrolytics handy for the really stressful days  ;D

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #407 on: May 19, 2009, 11:45:07 AM »
Greetings All

 I just received this link in my email and I figured best to pass it on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw&feature=channel_page
Hmm the plot thickens in the following at 1:26 to 2:20 Mylow is seen to frig with the base of the motor alot could he be attaching the fishing line?
At 8.17 you can just see a couple of lines on the matting but not on the glass.
At 8:20 there is no noticable "Mylow stepping over the lines" motion shown from the camera, could this be as they slope down from the table, not horizontal?
At 8:39 would you not see a drive motor or something if the line's sloped down which is a contradiction to 8:20  ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLzh5cibTKE&feature=channel_page

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #407 on: May 19, 2009, 11:45:07 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #408 on: May 19, 2009, 12:58:17 PM »
Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
 Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted  Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.

G'day Alan,

How about sharing with us how you did that because this is better than anything I have seen.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #409 on: May 19, 2009, 03:53:07 PM »
G'day Alan,

How about sharing with us how you did that because this is better than anything I have seen.

Hans von Lieven

Greetings Hans

I wrote this in an earlier post responding to BEP

>>This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before.<<

This is truly all I can remember of what I did as a kid of 14. I am now 50. One of the things after trying to redo that old wheel is that the old iron magnets were allot more forgiving than the magnets we find today, and that my be the only reason it did what it did. I do have other magnet ideas and I may post some of them, but that will be after I finish up with my present gravity wheel projects. I will look for the same type of magnets I had back then and try once again for my own piece of mind. For old memories will always haunt us in this game.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #409 on: May 19, 2009, 03:53:07 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #410 on: May 19, 2009, 04:48:22 PM »
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of  6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #411 on: May 19, 2009, 05:55:27 PM »
"So replications are still worthwhile."

Replication of what??? A spinning disk with magnets on it. What the hell do you think you are replicating??

 To try to build any device with claims (that go against the given knowledge) one must at least have a realistic idea going into the thing.

 One must truly realize that the claim may never be met, is the most likely result.

What the hell are you trying to build?? A device that will be OU or a magnet motor?

This whole thing of free energy ou and magnet motors is nothing new. Ideas about getting magnets to drive a system have existed through out time as man looked over magnets from load stone forward.

 You folks just going out believing it will work from claims and a video are in for disappointment.   It is a given in this field.  Who are you going to blame when it does not work??

 Over and over we see this, yet the conception of the human mind to believe there should be a way, and the BELIEF from tha; keep folks in a position to end up following an idea, even if there is no feasible way for such to work.

 Very few thing have I seen in this game that I will try and replicate. Simple reason is I see or can not think of a reason it could work, and or any interesting events from such that might have interesting knowledge to be gained.

  Folks please think first.

 Hell folks this guy claimed to have been doing this for years and did not even know his magnet polarity of his device.
 Wake up and smell the smell folks.

 As for HJ?
How many folks through the years have tried to really replicate his stuff, again with out success.  Hell just look at folks on this board with such claims. It would have been replicated if feasible one would think if it was real.
Hj may have believed, yet it just does not work.

As for mylow, well it has been a fun story. Notice the story part of this.  How can you folks with the need and desire to believe get so suckered into the story, and not look at the facts?

 I say look over all these things. Yet the first thing you should say before diving in and replicating is this:

 What is it you are building, and what realistic expectations can you get from such? 
Is such really feasibility with the information given??

The next question is how to measure such actions in a device, and can you. Folks believing just a bit more never look at the measurements of what is really going on. It is a big mistake in this field.  Such investment is measuring devices and methods will save you time and money in the long run.

LOL the feel game may work on your mate, it does not work so well in the physical world. To easy to fool yourself with.

 Yep there are going to be a lot of angry folks with this one it seems. I really can not blame them, a great story this has been.  They just want to believe.  Hell I want to believe, yet have seen way to much to jump into such with out some realistic expectations. 
 Note: I did not even attempt a replication of this one. I could find and or read were other found a realistic explanation of how it could work.

 The idea of the diamagnetic stuff of aluminum is a fun one with this, yet again not realistic. Hell try some bismuth aluminum alloy stuff. Don't expect to much. LOL

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #411 on: May 19, 2009, 05:55:27 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #412 on: May 19, 2009, 11:35:49 PM »

For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #413 on: May 19, 2009, 11:45:12 PM »
I get this kind of argument from the kids. LOL
Go to the bathroom in one hand, and what if in the other. See which one gets full the fastest.

 As I tell the kids. What if is what will allow folks to progress in the world. Yet to do such takes thought and observation of what is really going on.
Again the questions are
1; is it feasible and why of it being feasible.
2: for if 1 is such as feasible, is it a viable idea to implement to the It is stage.

All a simple game of critical thinking.

For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #413 on: May 19, 2009, 11:45:12 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #414 on: May 20, 2009, 12:16:44 AM »
Greetings Hans

I wrote this in an earlier post responding to BEP

>>This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before.<<

This is truly all I can remember of what I did as a kid of 14. I am now 50. One of the things after trying to redo that old wheel is that the old iron magnets were allot more forgiving than the magnets we find today, and that my be the only reason it did what it did. I do have other magnet ideas and I may post some of them, but that will be after I finish up with my present gravity wheel projects. I will look for the same type of magnets I had back then and try once again for my own piece of mind. For old memories will always haunt us in this game.

Thanks for sharing Alan, much appreciated. Incidentally, this is exactly what Keely did with one of his motors, There were 7 elements in the rotor and 8 in the stator. The whole thing relied on "Sympathetic Attraction". There is a picture below of that kind of device.

Hans

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #415 on: May 20, 2009, 01:44:59 AM »
For the sake of argument...lets say its a fake.

But what if some boob believed it is real...tried to replicate it, and kade a mistake which led to the real thing?

But what if he became discouraged by the nay-sayers ?

This is why I wish people would just sit back and let life unfold naturally.

Please allow people the room for unfettered discourse.

I believe we all can agree that one thing always leads to another...lets try allowing some time and space for these leads to fully develop.

Thanks.

Regards...

    Well I have to agree with the Cap here. folks are making more noise about this than the "2000 mile spaceship" that was coming last October.

    I have seen it posted over and over "A PMM is not imposable" {even though it's not a PMM} I thought thats what every one here was striving for.

    Just on the slim chance this was not a fake I know I wouldn't go thru this BS.

     Just a Thought Pete

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #415 on: May 20, 2009, 01:44:59 AM »
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« Reply #416 on: May 20, 2009, 12:32:37 PM »
@AB

Do you hear the buzzing yet? It seems that dung heap is drying out.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #417 on: May 20, 2009, 01:01:05 PM »
To both Mylow threads:
I have posted a second video about my Johnson/Mylow replication trials. including the preliminary conclusion that no overunity could be found with the setup I have used (70 cm zinc plated disc with 6x7 rows of  6 magnet elements stacked, double skateboard ball bearings in pvc pipe).
Whether Mylow cheated it or not, what is important is to remember that something cheated does not mean that something is wrong. With different considerations and configurations it still might work. When Mylow cheated, Johnson is not necessarily a cheater. Just like with Brady's Johnson cloned Perendev product. So replications are still worthwhile.

AA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_WNheWfHM


I made a device too.  I had similar results and came to the same conclusion.  I don't think that this arrangement has any potential to "work".  It was a good experiment, and I gained from it.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #418 on: May 22, 2009, 07:11:05 AM »

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« Reply #419 on: May 22, 2009, 01:07:16 PM »
I saw a YT video that says that 3 + 3 = 8.
I found this to be completely in line with my theories of integer cloning.
So I tried to  replicate. Here's a page from my lab book.

3 + 3 = 8.

er....

3 + 2 + 1 = 8.

hmm.

1 + 5 + 1 = 8.
Making progress!!

5 + 1 + 1 = 8.

Grr. dammit.

6 + 1 = 8.
5 + 2 = 8.

Let's try a different approach.

9 - 2 = 8.
9 - 3 = 8.
9 - 4 = 8.

9 - 1 = 8 !!! Success!

We need more replicators!!

(coffee spilled here, a blood stain, further data missing--a page torn out...Hmmm.....success, suppression!!!)

 

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