Author Topic: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion (Read 169498 times)

Omega_0 · « **Reply #360 on:** May 17, 2009, 09:35:57 AM »

I wish the negative noise dies down, well the mod is too lenient here. Its not helping. They all are making the same statements over and over. Anyone else tired of this ?

I'm now in the middle of my build with the disc mounted and stators fixed. I did try placing some rotor mags in a hurry, all I got was a cog. I tried some variations, but it always cogs.

The first rotor magnet when pushed through the gate, makes it around almost 355 degrees and just touches back the stator.
(it takes very very little push to do in it one direction and need a large push to make it go the other way, its kinda unidirectional)

Same happens with the second rotor and the next. When I glue the next set of rotor on the opposite side, the wheel sometimes goes through both the sets but never completes a full 360.

I tried rotating it hoping that it may latch on at some specific speed, but it slows down and stops. It does look like it tries to self propel but gives up.

Decreasing the stator height gives it more push but also slows it down more. Increasing it makes it go slow and smooth but no acceleration.

Next, I'm going to use the "feel with your hands" method, lets see if it works.

Omega_0 · « **Reply #361 on:** May 17, 2009, 10:06:30 AM »

http://pesn.com/2009/05/16/9501541_How_Does_Mylow_Do_It/

Looks like the small CD like thing is also running. It has no Alu.....
Does it mean the Alu is not necessary ?

Doug1 · « **Reply #362 on:** May 17, 2009, 01:35:46 PM »

Guys I measure the value of or the probability of by the amount of resistance and amount of effort being put forth to derail a concept.
There is a most likely more people against anyone proving perpetual motion or magnetic only motors or any concept which could validate any attempt to work toward anything that will liberate individuals from the present day machine that enslaves us all. People invest their wealth and place their future in this system that only a few want to take down to the ground. There are no 401k's investing in free energy.
Give a man a fish verses teach a man to fish. It's not a bad thing when the negativity shows up. That is the marker that was once the scarlet letter. Who'da thunk they would tag themselves. With the amount of effort being applied i would conclude there is something very important to this concept which is a dire threat.
Mylow did not sell or trade only tried to pass on information. People could either ignore it or try it,they could speak about it all along the way if there were tech problems same as with any other goofy concept. How much material was used up on the earth battery? How many fuji cameras lay victim to the jT idea. Did they bitch as much over that?No
Does it make any difference if you spend your money on material for one thing over another to them who are trying to derail this? No
You have to consider the best place for the powers at hand to hang out and keep tabs would be where the activity is. Not much point in watching groups of people talking about Hello Kitty toys when your objective is maintain the system in place to keep the money in the hands of those who have it now.
It will get worse before it gets better. Are you actually surprised? Bendini and others are sitting back someplace imagining smacking you on the back of the head and saying "dumb ass, what did you expect".

waynegage · « **Reply #363 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:32:03 PM »

Quote from: broli on May 17, 2009, 02:28:11 AM

TK you sure lost any shred of respect I had for you. Anyone with common sense steps down and IGNORES something he doesn't believe in. But not you sir. You make it your soul purpose to do anything you can to bring the thing down that is threathning your believes. Your "religion" is so radical that it is a danger to the cause of this community.

I'm a bit enraged that you have so much equipment and potential and are doing nothing with it. Do everyone a favor and either quit on te mylow story and work on something contructive or leave this please.

TK is doing real science, that is the skeptical part of science. It is obvious that a lot of people will waste time and money on something that science says is not possible. What would you say to TK then?
I love science and mylow is demeaning it.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #364 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:41:35 PM »

Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.

wattsup · « **Reply #365 on:** May 17, 2009, 04:47:06 PM »

@all

Everything that Mylow just disclosed about magnet placement is pivotal and we have seen it before. I have seen it with my simple Pizza Wheel. lol

When Mylow states that when you get to a certain number of magnets there will be a change in the field. I coined this as crowning. He says at a certain point the field will split in the middle. I have seen this and have described it.

I had also put up a step by step method of populating the wheel with the magnets, but Mylow has giving the actual method to start putting on magnets 1 by 1. WHICH IS GREAT.

At this level of care to the actual magnetic field involved, this is no longer a simple exercise in building a static device with pre made parts. This is actually an art form. Like playing music, you have to feel the rhythm of the magnets and the changes that are made when added one by one. Each added magnet makes a new frequency. You then have the crowning, you have the field split.

The actual motor in this build is the dual stator. That is the real motor that is running on a magnetic track of rotors. The dual stators are positioned at a certain distance to an initial mutual repulsion of the north/north and south/south fields. So the stator repulsion is pushed downwards while rotor repulsion is pushed upwards. These two repulsions meet and are making the wheel turn in one direction. Turn the stators the other way and it will turn in the other direction. This means the rotors that are not turned simply provide a universal platform or flux density and the stator walks (or runs) over them.

If you hold the stators in your hands as they are supposed to be positioned you will be able to notice that by placing it over a rotor segment and changing the gap, the stator will change its reaction off the rotors. Since the rotors are fixed, they only other variable is the stator positioning. If it is wrong, no rotor correction will compensate. Both have to be perfect.

Geez, hurry up with my wheel already. I will have a 1/4" and a 1/2" inch disk to play with.

Does any one have some spare HS90's. Allmagnetics is out of stock till June. Or can I get them somewhere else?

BEP · « **Reply #366 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:01:48 PM »

Quote from: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 04:41:35 PM

Maybe I am missing something. But has anyone succeeded in duplicating mylow's device?
Please don't get me wrong for in 1974 I had a magnet wheel that ran for 1 1/2 days as a kid for a science project. But back in the 70 it seemed that other people had magnet wheels as well. So I believe it to be possible from experience. And I would love for mylow's wheel to be true, but I don't like being duked as well. Another friend of mine is going to try the mylow wheel, I myself will stick with gravity for good reason. We still don't have an absolute on mylow so we have to explore all possibilities. This is the reason I posted Jerry/smotgroup information. It was just another item to check out, not for any other purpose.

Must have been a lot of local magnetic vortexes back then and a few since.

Just admitting that you have an experience with such a device will cause the flies to leave that pile and head for you.

The only thing such an experience would do is open your mind to possibilities others are too inexperienced to imagine.

I'm not a fly looking for another place to raise 'children'.

I believe you had such a motor experience so if you ever recall enough info and wish to post I'll listen (without instantly calling you a fraud).

Until then, good luck with your project!

wattsup · « **Reply #367 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:33:50 PM »

@AB Hammer

I second BEPs post.

Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol

AB Hammer · « **Reply #368 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:44:11 PM »

Quote from: BEP on May 17, 2009, 05:01:48 PM

Must have been a lot of local magnetic vortexes back then and a few since.

Just admitting that you have an experience with such a device will cause the flies to leave that pile and head for you.

The only thing such an experience would do is open your mind to possibilities others are too inexperienced to imagine.

I'm not a fly looking for another place to raise 'children'.

I believe you had such a motor experience so if you ever recall enough info and wish to post I'll listen (without instantly calling you a fraud).

Until then, good luck with your project!

Fair enough BEP

This is all I can remember about it. The inner was an odd number and the outer was an even number of old style iron magnets. They where arranged in a way that you had 2 pushing for each sticky spot. The wheel did not move smoothly but is was a jerking action that tore out the center of the inner disk (cardboard). My Father convinced me I was wasting my time. So I took off the magnets and put them back on the refrigerator and they would not hold up as well as they did before. I got back into it, but with gravity wheels only a couple of years ago. I have ways to lift 6 lbs with 1, as well as ways to make weights lift their selves (you would have to see it to believe it), and several other things that I call breakthroughs that tell me that I am close to breaking this nut wide open. I have fooled myself in the past but I will own up to my screw-ups as well. But you have to be a little over optimistic to play this game to even have a chance.

I hope this clears up your question about my views

AB Hammer · « **Reply #369 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:52:10 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on May 17, 2009, 05:33:50 PM

@AB Hammer

I second BEPs post.

Also, I think the guy saying this is a homopolar motor is totally wrong. Grease no grease, the drive is the magnets. I do not believe or can even comprehend how grease in a bearing will cause a rotational motion on the wheel. Actually, if Mylow has grease in his bearing, this will hinder rotation due to the friction at such low torque values. I just had that experience. lol

wattsup

You very well could be correct, but in this game all avenues should be checked.
For a smoother bearing. Take the grease out and use a light oil. Only if you had a fast running wheel the grease would heat up and become soft. But for a slow running wheel the bearings will not heat up that much. Or just use ceramic bearings that you don't have to grease.

Cloxxki · « **Reply #370 on:** May 17, 2009, 06:00:37 PM »

AB Hammer, if you have carried out experiments that would be new to most...
Do you now keep them to yourself to:
- save yourself the Mylow experience
- work on your patent/world domination plans
- get even better press with your next invention
?

Please share what you have. Others might have the missing pieces to the pzzule you've laid out in front of you.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #371 on:** May 17, 2009, 06:39:20 PM »

Quote from: Cloxxki on May 17, 2009, 06:00:37 PM

AB Hammer, if you have carried out experiments that would be new to most...
Do you now keep them to yourself to:
- save yourself the Mylow experience
- work on your patent/world domination plans
- get even better press with your next invention
?

Please share what you have. Others might have the missing pieces to the pzzule you've laid out in front of you.

Cloxxki

I am but a Blacksmith with medieval ways of thinking due to what I build. I am going the patent rout for a better life possibility and I have a couple of friends and partners I tell what I am doing and when the time is wright I will show what I am doing. I have posted several other designs on OU as well. So I am open to an extent and will give honest opinions from my experiences. But to show everything I have done would take over 600 strings to get started. So I pick and choose what I want to show and hold back on what I need.

Cloxxki · « **Reply #372 on:** May 17, 2009, 06:45:58 PM »

Quote from: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 06:39:20 PM

Cloxxki

I am but a Blacksmith with medieval ways of thinking due to what I build. I am going the patent rout for a better life possibility and I have a couple of friends and partners I tell what I am doing and when the time is wright I will show what I am doing. I have posted several other designs on OU as well. So I am open to an extent and will give honest opinions from my experiences. But to show everything I have done would take over 600 strings to get started. So I pick and choose what I want to show and hold back on what I need.

Fair enough.
I hope you'll get through the patent procedure quick enough, and use the rights you'll obtain for the world to take advantage from them. You have the right to make a buck, I can only congratulate you if you choose to take that route and prove success.
Please be sure though, to not pull a Bessler, Tesla or Howard Johnson. Let the right people have access to your inventions, so other will not have to come up with them all by themselves.
If you should ever need a free thinking apprentice who's not afraid to sign a confidentiality agreement, I'll gladly write you my resume. I modestly think I have a talent to take other man's genious to another level by providing missing ingredients and convenient applications.
Good luck, make it happen.

AB Hammer · « **Reply #373 on:** May 17, 2009, 07:07:08 PM »

Cloxxki

Don't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.

Cloxxki · « **Reply #374 on:** May 17, 2009, 07:34:07 PM »

Quote from: AB Hammer on May 17, 2009, 07:07:08 PM

Cloxxki

Don't worry, I want all the do it your self builders to have it. I just want a better life. If I could afford to give it all away, and the world would work well with it? I would. But that becomes the big question. How many people can a wealthy man help? and how many people can a poor man help? People need jobs and good wadges and I would try to make as many jobs as possible and try to make that perpetuate even more jobs, schools, hospitals, and more. This is not happening like it should.

If you have something, I most certainly wish you that better life, and for your family. Most who came before you failed in that respect though, so I wish you foresight and wisedome. It takes one kind of original thinking to get to inventions, and another to use them for your personal gain. Although I prefer the first part, I'm better at the other, so for now just helping others with their designs rather than getting my own realized.
Please don't let us waiting too long!
To secure your position, consider building a number of working machines/setups, and mailing them to replicators, to establish your name as the true inventor. Of course, do so the day after you file for patent.

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