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Author Topic: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion  (Read 150309 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #165 on: May 05, 2009, 12:57:24 AM »
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Too bad...


@TK:
I think you're right in doing the replication correctly and backed up with scientific data. We'll be even more excited if you can truly and independently verify MyLow's discovery is no AQ phenomena!

cheers
chrisC

Mee too, because I will be vewwy vewwy rich, and I won't be bothering you all any more.

Here's an example of the rough graph output of my latest toy, the Chimpo tacho. Just a screenshot, not a processed graph. The left axis is RPM x 3.8 (I get higher resolution at slow speeds that way). A powered runup of a blank mylow disk, no magnets. At about 620 seconds, I position an Alnico horseshoe stator magnet in just about exactly the position of one of Mylow's stators, a bit over 2 1/2 inches above the disk, pointing down. Then at about 710 I remove it. Then I pull the motor drive away from the wheel and let it rundown on its own. You can really tell a lot from these graphs. See the impulses from the clutch at the acceleration end? And the nice rundown curve--I think I've proved that air resistance goes as the square of velocity while bearing friction is linear, as is eddy current drag.

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #166 on: May 05, 2009, 01:00:08 AM »
Can somebody please tell Stefan that his new format is all screwed up and doesn't format the page properly anymore?

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #167 on: May 05, 2009, 01:03:30 AM »
Mee too, because I will be vewwy vewwy rich, and I won't be bothering you all any more.

Here's an example of the rough graph output of my latest toy, the Chimpo tacho. Just a screenshot, not a processed graph. The left axis is RPM x 3.8 (I get higher resolution at slow speeds that way). A powered runup of a blank mylow disk, no magnets. At about 620 seconds, I position an Alnico horseshoe stator magnet in just about exactly the position of one of Mylow's stators, a bit over 2 1/2 inches above the disk, pointing down. Then at about 710 I remove it. Then I pull the motor drive away from the wheel and let it rundown on its own. You can really tell a lot from these graphs. See the impulses from the clutch at the acceleration end? And the nice rundown curve--I think I've proved that air resistance goes as the square of velocity while bearing friction is linear, as is eddy current drag.

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.

Well, wouldn't we have saved hundreds of threaded pages and thousands of hours of debate if MyLow had given you his disk!
That's the real world unfortunately and people are uniquely different at how they see and react. Keep more coming!

cheers
chrisC

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #168 on: May 05, 2009, 01:06:54 AM »
Can somebody please tell Stefan that his new format is all screwed up and doesn't format the page properly anymore?

Yes I agree. My Sony laptop is 1600 pixel across and I use Chrome and the  photo. attachments don't show up!

Also, I told Stephan that the Orange/Red is really too harsh on the eyes.
That's just my opinion.

cheers
chrisC

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #169 on: May 05, 2009, 02:05:02 AM »
@ Tinsel Koala/ Al

Looked again, with larger screen and u 'Whats that at 7.71-7.53

I think its the split of the moulding on his large television  base thats in the corner- a piece of the fascia i think.
 its got definate curved shape to it.

well spotted tho hawk-eye.

Hmmm---reluctantly, after further examination (about a hundred more views) I have to agree. What I was seeing does seem to end before the floor, so it must be on the TV cabinet.
There are a couple other anomalies in that video, though, but I think I'll keep them to myself just now; I don't like the taste of my sock.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #170 on: May 05, 2009, 02:28:50 AM »
TK I have watched this saga for some time.
 The game here appears to be using the fields to cause an offset in the normal balance.
Even the new set up is the placement of them stators to be clipping the fields of the stator magnets. Notice in the original he is using a close game. Three rotor magnets to his stator magnet: or three poles two two. Now he uses the stator as the three to his group of rotor magnets.
 I am not sure how to put what I am trying to say:

 It is a game of the push pulls reacting to were the normal game of out is equal to in.
In theory he is getting an increase in velocity out of the set that over comes the in of the next, or reversed of what I said.

 My problem with this whole thing is there would need to be a delay for such to work. I see no way one can be done in this, short of them magnets doing a full disconnect in field from the normal.  This thing as shown would work only due to both sides of the magnets interacting with the other set. 
I could be wrong. Yet no replications and no independent observer.  Both are bad for Mylow. LOL I still do not see or find a way such could be replicated.

 He needs to stop trying to prove it is not a fake (motor or other device) and get down to how it works, if it does.
Pay attention to the one show of stator arm. It does appear a line all the way down the aluminum bar on one side, like a wire, or other mark.  Just some thing that makes me go HMMM.
As for OCPMM or WM
"let me repeat, has been independently replicated and has shown reduced rundown friction. Correct me if I'm wrong, please...":
I will personally verify this part.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #171 on: May 05, 2009, 02:36:50 AM »

Now, I meant to address the replication issue earlier but I forgot (my how I ramble.) I could produce an exact replication down to the fraction of a millimeter and a tenth of a Gauss, and if it did NOT work, it would still NOT disprove MyLOW. That's the difficulty with this work. What is necessary is to get one's hands on a working unit, by whatever means necessary (ie simulate it if nothing else) and then determine, by careful experimentation, why it does work and how to break it. OTOH, one can definitely apply logic and critical thinking, and see if what is claimed, is consistent internally and externally. It is here that MyLOW's story fails, and until he provides us with a working model to test, or has it tested independently, or one of us hits the (nonexistent, I maintain) jackpot, we can't really go much further.
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Offline dixiepnum

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #172 on: May 05, 2009, 03:34:14 AM »
in case all you home replicators who don't own a machine shop didn't notice this on yahoogroups,

www.atecousa.net

aluminium rotating cake pan 60$ includes ball bearings and heavy-duty base...

have fun!

Offline wattsup

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #173 on: May 05, 2009, 05:21:53 AM »
@vonwolf

Mylow just showed you a device that just saved you 30 years of R&D. I think that is a pretty good head start. I'll take that any day.

@TK

There is a difference between a Replicator and a new term I will coin as "Replifaker". So which one are you now. This thread is for the guys that will be building this device and those that wish to honestly collaborate.

@nyctuber

Sorry but you are not welcome here as you will soon be banned from this topic entirely. Please refrain from posting here.

@all

ANY POT SHOTS AT MYLOW WILL BE REMOVED. That's it you guys.
This thread is for guys that have MADE THE DECISION TO BUILD THIS WHEEL. We are not asking ourselves, is this real or not. You have no business here if this is your main concern or if you are waiting for Mylow to have it third party tested, then please wait somewhere else. Any more mention of this and your post will be removed. Enough time has been WASTED. Or do you not understand what a builders thread really is. 

@all

I just ordered four ceramic bearings for my wheel. It took a long while to find them in Texas. lol

OK, if there are any guys out there that have good experience in inertia motion considerations, we need to understand something about Mylows wheel.

OK his wheel has,
1) rotors
2) the aluminum disk
3) A center support disk about 3" dia.  by 1/2" thick under item No. 2.
4) A cylinder that is 2" dia. by about 3"-4" long that is under item No. 3 and has a bearing inside the bottom end.
5) A base that is about 3" dia. by 1/2" thick that has a center protrusion going into the bearing bore hole.
6) 1 is secured to 2 on the outer edge.
7) 2 and 3 and 4 are secured together via 3 aluminum bolts.

So what is happening here in his wheel that is different from my pizza wheel. Well my wheel is secured to the bearing right away. His bearing is at the base of the cylinder. My wheel is a wheel. His wheel is more like if someone was turning an open umbrella by the handle.

So the question is, what would be the difference between (for this consideration) two identical rotors and wheels, one that has a bearing in its center and the other that has a bearing at the base of an extended cylinder. Does this one fact help the process? i am thinking that my wheel is more 2 dimensional, whereas Mylows seems to be more 3 dimensional. Are there other forces at play in one more then the other.

This is not an easy question. Please think this over carefully.


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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #175 on: May 05, 2009, 09:00:23 AM »
Wattsup, I apologiized to Mylow personally and havent said anything negative, I don't get the threat to ban me.

Offline chrisC

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #176 on: May 05, 2009, 09:04:30 AM »
Wattsup, I apologiized to Mylow personally and havent said anything negative, I don't get the threat to ban me.

@Wattsup

I hope you'll reconsider not banning nyctuber. He was frustrated like many, not knowing whether MyLow was for real or not. He was not jealous of MyLow and sincerely wanted to see the real stuff work. Thanks.

cheers
chrisC

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #177 on: May 05, 2009, 01:43:37 PM »
Well, you can call me a "replifaker" if you want, but don't forget: I've got REAL data, replicable, quantitative data. For example, I can answer wattsup's question about the differences in bearing mounting geometry, because I have tried both methods, taken real instrumental data on them, and even tried some other arrangements that haven't been mentioned here. I have magnets virtually identical to many of the ones Mylow has claimed to work, and I have tried many configurations of these and other magnets, and I have taken real data on these configurations. This represents, by this time, literally hundreds of hours of work.
If you want to repeat my work, without knowing what I have found, or how I've done it, I suppose that's wattsup's privilege as a moderator. You'll just have to wait for my videos, I suppose.
Or, if you like, you can look at an example graph I posted in the main thread last night, which shows a major effect from eddy current drag on the plain Mylow disk from the stator magnet alone. Any Mylow configuration will have to overcome this eddy current drag, or somehow convert it into thrust, and without other moving parts or electronics I assure you this is impossible.
But you certainly don't have to take a "replifaker's" word for it. By all means, go do your own research and replications. Just be sure that you are taking objective data, not just watching a disk bounce between gates. Otherwise it's a meaningless waste of time.


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Offline tournamentdan

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #179 on: May 05, 2009, 04:32:54 PM »
I have a question that I can not get out of my mind. In the video you can tell that the stator magnet stand is very light, and he said that the stator magnet is pulled down by the other magnets but when there are no magnets under the stator and the magnets on the wheel are off to both side's shouldn't the stator mag get pushed or pulled over.