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Offline B.Lane

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2009, 02:00:07 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2009, 02:10:33 AM »
@i_ron

Your thoughts about aluminum are valid here. After all this is the Replication Discussion thread, not the 'make sure every nail in the coffin is secure' thread.

Aluminum plays a role in this motor whether folks wish it to or not. The question is - exactly what?

I found my initial attempt with thin aluminum failed to produce anything interesting.
Next attempt... 7ga. plate with holes around the edge for mounting magnets..... yea right!

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"yea right!" Meaning the holes killed all wanted action -or- dumb move for me. I had to cut another disk.
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I finally decided to stop changing the recipe. At least now I have smooth rotation from one magnet group to another. Still not there but no holes around the edge and no grove.

I am convinced Eddy is part of this but I don't think he is dragging his feet.

« Last Edit: April 20, 2009, 03:56:08 AM by BEP »

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2009, 04:37:43 AM »
And this is exactly what has been done. The Mylow Motor version of Howard's design in no real way even comes close to approximating the original concept. The C shaped magnet though it may work is not the way to go. Think 'flat' guys. But you watch. I bet I will not get onne single reply to this thread.

Welcome to the fray ALFPARTS.

I'll take your bet and apply it toward a wager that you have a lot more to say about Howard's design than your last post.

Take care.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2009, 04:37:43 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2009, 08:17:22 AM »
Yes I have a lot more to say about the Mylow project but the matter deserves more investigation before I release more. I will say this however: I have two sets of engineering notes. One set from Howard concerns the actual motor operation principles. The other concerns the design of of the mis-information that is being disseminated by a certain group of people out west.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2009, 12:16:11 PM »
@ALFPARTS

While Mylow's rendition is interesting (but not an HJ design) I would rather develop my understanding of the 'REAL' work of Howard Johnson.  ;D

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2009, 12:16:11 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2009, 04:19:55 PM »
@ALFPARTS

How rude of me to not have acknowledged your post sooner. We are all caught up with this wheel and if you can shed some positive light on this, we would most certainly be appreciative.

When I see Mylows wheel, I think of both HJ's and Leedskalnin's wheel. HJ has his stator inside like Mylow. Leedskalnin's had his stator on the outside. I am curious to know if HJ ever referred to Leedskalnin's works and if not, had he ever mentioned anyone in particular as his guiding post. Also, when I see the photo of him holding the stator in the center of his wheel, I can't help but think of all the times he must have hit his knuckles on the turning rotor magnet edges. That must have hurt.

If it is OK with you, maybe @slapper can open a new thread in this same topic heading and call it something like "ALFPARTS HJ Insights" so it can still have a moderator and start a fresh subject specifically based on HJ's works and not be lost in this thread. That would be the ultimate in learning more about his devices.


@i_ron

I was not referring to you in particular. Just in general to not fall into the fray of the "is this real or un-real" posts.

I understand about the lag coil and aluminum effects and thanks for bringing it up because there may actually be some direct relationship to building the TPU. (off topic -lol.)

Found this patent and put it here;
TPUers may want to look at it also.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/patents-relevant/Lag-Plate-US2336834.pdf

But for all intents and purposes, I do not think there is any "major" relationship with Mylows wheel. His original magnets were far to weak to cause any major and/or confined eddy currents and anyways, such effects happen with drastically changing magnetic fields or highly saturated laminated cores and the rotors on the wheel provide stable constant fields. Someone would have to really spell it out for us to better understand this.

There is something very important I have noticed in my pizza pan neo tests. My base, (what @BEP asked about) I had originally made for my former "8 ball wheel" perpetual motion attempt and as you can notice, it makes for a very wide Mylow wheel base. Sometimes, while switching neos around I will put a neo on the base edge for a few seconds and noticed the neo is half floating semi-suspended because of the proximity of the rotor field on top, so the rotor field is definitely dragging on the base. Holy cow. This for me means Mylows centralized base is absolutely required to eliminate any additional or potential drag between the rotor field and the wide base.

Also, I then realized that when looking at Mylows videos, you will notice his visitors bedroom where he does his work really has no other electronic instruments or metallic objects lying around that could influence the magnetic fields' attraction zone. I think this is capital also since in my office lab, there are metallic objects, lying around all over the place within 1/2 to 2 feet away, I am convinced that all of this is playing on the final results or non-results.

On Sunday, I found three nice aluminum blocks at the flea market for dirt cheap. I was looking for some bigger pieces. (I also found an empty plastic wire reel that is the FTPU size, but that's again off topic. lol)

There is something fishy though and that is, why the magnets will create a crowning effect when placed all around the wheel, canceling any possibility for the stator to find any distinct north or south field, hence no potential for movement. I have tried it in so many angles, stator types, etc. The question I have is why do the rotors crown in certain instances and not when the rotors are spread further apart.

Then I think of Teslas Wireless Power Transmission that works with two remotely placed coils that share the same vibration or frequency with a common point being the ground. Magnets in proximity and on the same wheel could share the same effect and transmit in a loop their flux that creates a homogenized non-polarized or very neutrally polarized effect. I will try and put some pick up coils in the crowning field and see if there is any energy pick-up with and without the crowning effect. This may also be TPU related. lol

But just to touch on the idea, as I removed some magnets to break the circular loop, the polarities reverted back to their original positions. This for me is major because with the addition or removal of some magnets, the whole loop field switched positions. Some will realize what this means. But just imagine having only to mechanically turn a few magnets and cause a complete magnetic loop to switch polarities. Imagine the magnets surrounded by pick-up coils and just by turning over a few magnets you flip the whole field over the coils. You could switch 100 magnets by only turning 10 of them and those 10 don't even have to be near a coil to produce any drag at all. Hmmmmmmm. That is new but I need to look at it more, but need more time.

I have noticed another crowning effect but want to reproduce it a few more times before I say anything that may be a very good reason for my public flogging. lol

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2009, 06:10:17 PM »
Yes I have a lot more to say about the Mylow project but the matter deserves more investigation before I release more. I will say this however: I have two sets of engineering notes. One set from Howard concerns the actual motor operation principles. The other concerns the design of of the mis-information that is being disseminated by a certain group of people out west.

Thank you for the reply ALFPARTS.

@ALFPARTS

While Mylow's rendition is interesting (but not an HJ design) I would rather develop my understanding of the 'REAL' work of Howard Johnson.  ;D

Couldn't agree more. We need this information out in the public domain. It's been hidden far to long.

If it is OK with you, maybe @slapper can open a new thread in this same topic heading and call it something like "ALFPARTS HJ Insights" so it can still have a moderator and start a fresh subject specifically based on HJ's works and not be lost in this thread. That would be the ultimate in learning more about his devices.

wattsup, I appreciate your confidence in me but I think ALFPARTS is capable of doing this himself if he decides to. With that being said I would do what ever is reasonable to get this information out there.

Take care.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2009, 06:10:17 PM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2009, 07:38:57 PM »
Thank you for the reply ALFPARTS.

Couldn't agree more. We need this information out in the public domain. It's been hidden far to long.

wattsup, I appreciate your confidence in me but I think ALFPARTS is capable of doing this himself if he decides to. With that being said I would do what ever is reasonable to get this information out there.

Take care.

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120 PM EST BLACKSBURG - Hi guys, I really don't know all that much about Howard's designs since I was more of the gopher and security guy. I do have a technical background but it is in electronics for only 37 years. Howard gave me bits and pieces and from what I can see there are only a couple of missing links. But persuing the Mylow replication won't get ya there from what I can tell. Sadly though I originally was approving of it I think that it is an engineered distraction created for the purpose of sending people on a wild goose chase while the perpetrators actually pursue the real technology and make a few bucks at the same time. I sincerely apologize for not seeing this sooner and feel rather foolish. But for what it's worth: Howard was one of Leedskalnins closest neighbors while serving at the new Homestead Air Base. This might tell ya something.

 617 PM - I notice that Sterling Allan has caught wind of my statements and appears to be a bit flustered. It was not my intention to defame Mylow as he is not the alleged perpetrator. Fortunately for some I was feeling merciful and did not elaborate on the matter or make note of certain peculiar associations that exist. I think that what Mylow is doing is thus far is a wonderful thing but unfortunately he is likely becoming the object of commercialized control.
 I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2009, 12:34:01 AM by ALFPARTS »

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2009, 03:39:49 AM »
I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.

Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?



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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2009, 03:39:49 AM »
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2009, 05:12:12 AM »
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 I apologize for posting notes of this tone in this particular forum since it violates the intention of the forum. I simply forgot:) and will refrain from this practice. Any future posts will be of a purely constructive nature only.

I for one am fascinated by your remarks and see no reason why you should stop. Name calling,
mud slinging and character assassination are for sure reasons to be moderated. But your information
is welcome... to my ears at least.

In days past, before they were placed under control, I read Popular Science, popular Mechanics
and Science and Mechanics religiously. For the most part they reported the latest developments
correctly and accurately although with a certain hype that was fairly easy to see through. So I
would tend to believe the reporting of Howard Johnson's work at that time was truthful. That HJ's
stuff should be so distorted and mangled now is easy to understand when so many of the discoveries
have been so completely suppressed. Just to mention one from that era, Smokey Yunick's adiabatic
engine, completely covered over, lost from sight.

So please continue, no need to start a new thread, it all ties in with the builders search for knowledge
here. 

Ron

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #130 on: April 21, 2009, 05:13:18 AM »
Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?



Posts here should be of a constructive nature, only? Agreed but have you read some of this web site?

On the note about Howard being on Homestead: This makes sense in more than you may know. As some may remember, before I learned to shut up, I claimed some rather unorthodox government training on the subject of magnetics and wave propagation. It all reads like Leedskalnin but I only knew the source as a rather quiet set of military training manuals. They were Air Force documents but the instructor wore civvies and carried no ID. Some of the classes were at Homestead. The rest were in Maryland and Arizona.

I'll just stop there and say I'm quite sure how it all really works. In another 30 years all of it will be confirmed by a product on the shelf. I don't want to wait that long.

Anything we can do to know what history was planted compared to fact on HJ's reality?




I was just trying to be a good boy and abide by the forums rules and policy.
Odd that you mention that thing about Homestead. Howard was an intel officer and worked both at Homestead and Annapolis. I wonder if he might have been part of that group. Maybe Leedskalnin was in on it too. Who knows'
I know we cant wait.. We are not utilizing our time in the most efficient manner. I realize that its fun to tinker and experiment and that regimentation takes a lot of the fun out but maybe there is a way to be more focused and still maintain the thrill. Therefore it would not be unreasonable to include a little bit of or"direction" in the development of this project in order make things a little smoother. Maybe we all need to ask ourselves again why we are really doing this project and why it is important that we be efficient in the solution of it.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #131 on: April 21, 2009, 06:43:04 AM »
@ALFPARTS and @BEP

Let's not get stuck on semantics. There is truth in saying Mylows device is far from HJs in most every sense, except for the basic premise that we can get into later.

So @Al don't let anyone fluster you for expressing something you believe in. I appreciate your candor and guys here must simply realize that it is coming from someone who is closer to the original then we ever could be.

We know many many things and can catch things between the lines that maybe you may not have considered. Something you may consider as mundane could be key for others so don't hold back. There are many facets of Mylows wheel that is teaching me some good things, most likely not what any intentional detractor would have wanted us to see.

Oh' I'm really glad to learn that HJ knew LSK. It just seemed so normal for that to be. They must have been sharing notes, or one was telling and the other was jotting things down. Was there anyone else that HJ looked to? Geez, I could prepare a 20 page questionnaire but I really do not want to impose. (Would the multiple choice method be good - lol. Just jokin.)

As far as working efficiently, I'm 100% in agreement and I am sure most members here are also, so let's keep this here and agree that regular Mylow business will be interjected here and there as things progress.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #132 on: April 22, 2009, 05:06:20 AM »
Ok.  Here are some more videos continuing my testing:

11 - Johnson / Mylow research (New Stator Assembly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsRjS1L0aqA

12 - Johnson / Mylow research (Testing Magnet Layout 4-3-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCyx6CeXWL4


I was just trying some magnetic layout variations with my setup as recommended by PM from Mylow.

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« Reply #133 on: April 30, 2009, 10:08:28 AM »
Congratulations Mylow. If we can replicate it you are the man. Witnesses are also required, so please allow that. However painful, hold on. Be the hero. Trust Sterling to deal with it properly. Otherwise they'll make you the pope of a new religion with you as the only miracle worker! Don't fall for that. But I trust you are a normal guy, so we simply have to make it work for ourselves.... Thanks for all your efforts and sorry for all the skepticism from my side and of others stressing you.

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Re: MylowHJ Replication - Discussion
« Reply #134 on: May 02, 2009, 08:56:04 AM »
Do not try to fill the gaps.  The gaps make the Mylow unit work.  Also, imagine the torque when an additional stator is added.  Even more, perhaps 6 or more stators!  Mylow, jump in, you the man.

 

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