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Author Topic: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation  (Read 22999 times)

gn0stik

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2006, 09:32:40 PM »
Yes, magneto missed the units of measure. If you were measuring volts or amps, or even watts I would understand his argument. However, you were measuring Joules. Raw Energy, in, and then out AFTER any losses in the system.

I would like to see you further your experimentation, however. I would probably try different electrodes, deuterium, gold, silver, etc. I'd also like to see the effect of varied spark gaps, and introducing various gasses into the spark gap, caesium would be interesting, as firing high energy lasers through caesium gas tubes has shown a time differential. All of these things require hard to get, and expensive materials however, which makes it difficult. I would also, like to see a spark gap through electrolytic water, with D2 electrodes ;) ...

perhaps even charged water from a joe cell.

Man to have access to a real lab, with a budget would be fun for this project.

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2006, 03:15:02 AM »
Regardless of how the energy is measured, the fact remains that DC will not pass from primary to secondary coil on a transformer.  You need alternating curent to do that.

The energy charging the capacitor is coming off the secondary coil of the transformer.  It gets there through induction - produced by an alternating current in the primary coil. 

The shape of the power going into the primary has a lot to do with what passes to the secondary circuit and what doesn't.  And the shape of the power is not the same in the two setups.


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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2006, 03:46:56 AM »
Magnetoelastic,

Not necessarily, the only thing thats different in the circuit is the addition of spark gaps and about 8 inches of wire. EVERTHING else is held constant - and I mean EVERTHING, which includes constant generator rpm, constant load capacitor, leyden jars remain constant, various circuit components don't change, the 15 second time period remains fixed, etc, etc, etc...

So, the question is, "why is their excess energy coming from a Carbon Arc???"

That is the question? The evidence is very very clear.

Bill

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2006, 03:46:56 AM »
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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2006, 03:54:41 AM »
JL Naudin,the Prof.Vallee experiments
probably an answer !

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p.s.:Mr.Dr. Whodini,I respect your trial and you offer a "very interesting library" !

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2006, 04:38:39 AM »
The evidence is that your capacitor is collecting more charge under certain conditions.
Since the amount of Ein to the secondary circuit (consisting of the secondary coil in the transformer and the capacitor) depends on the induction in the primary coil. 
Even if this is overunity - it is still true - The capacitor only receives energy through the secondary coil on the transformer... and the amount of energy generated in that secondary coil is dependant on induction.

If the spark gap setup has more inductance in the primary coil... we can't prove it's overunity unless the other setup is measured 100% efficient in transforming all the power of the WM Gen to the secondary circtuit.  If that's the case - you already have a great invention... but I suggest that it's not even close to 100%

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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2006, 04:55:50 AM »
The WH Gen is a electrostatic generator and produces DC.  The fact that the transformer gets power to the secondary circuit without the spark gap is because no DC is completely flat. 
So it's no wonder that a spark gap would provide enough spikes to increase inductance in the transformer.

I bet if you plugged the WH Gen in to a power inverter you would get even more charge on C1.

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2006, 02:34:04 PM »
Without a corresponding measurement of input energy, you can make no conclusions.  Otherwise, all you can claim is an increase in output energy, nothing more.

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2006, 02:50:51 PM »
Yes, Bill, did you try to hook up the spark gaps to your Battery charger system yet ?
Does it increase the charge in your batteries ?
What is then the COP ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

gn0stik

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2006, 08:07:39 PM »
Well then why is the transformer even necessary? Why can't we Just measure Ein, and Eout without it, since it may be skewing the results? If the power gain is a function of the spark gap, it should work regardless of whether or not a transformer is involved.




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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2006, 10:02:22 PM »
When I take the spark gaps (plugs) out of my automobile i get NO POWER out of it at all!  I think we may be on to something!

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2006, 01:59:36 AM »
Stefan,

No, not yet, I'm still working on software changes. I'm hoping to have it tested before the show, however.

Bill

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2006, 04:20:28 AM »
magnetoelastic,

Excess output energy is all I or anyone else really cares about. Harnessing excess output energy! That's the "ball game" man!

Bill

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2006, 07:46:51 PM »
You are using a DC power source to drive a transformer.  Obviously the power is not flat... because you get a little on the other side of the transformer.  The spark gap increases the highs and lows of the power from the WH - and that causes more induction leading to more efficient energy transfer to the secondary circuit.

That's how it works and it's not overunity and it's not even an efficient power inverter.



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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2006, 08:15:53 PM »
Elvis,

You're "assuming" the device can't possibly be overunity even though you use words like "increase" and "more efficient energy", and I clearly show the basic process is "overunity". I clearly show there's more output ENERGY with a Carbon Arc spark gap than without.

Now, I should mention that I tested the Perrault Valves. THEY ALL tested "underunity". In other words, ordinary spark gaps NOT using Carbon Rods test "underunity" when compared to NOT using spark gaps.

The spark gap can be modelled as a nonlinear resistor. I don't want to take the next step and say this resistance could be NEGATIVE, because I don't think its NEGATIVE resistance, but a complex DC current is flowing in the circuit. The resistance is therefore always POSITIVE. These complex DC currents are considered to be "temporal" currents.

Bill

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Re: Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2006, 12:30:04 AM »
well I must be missing something here. And maybe you can straighten me out.  :)

With your transformer connected to a dc generator you will see very little power to the secondary circuit.  This is because there is no alternating curent to generate the induction needed to make the transformer work. There must be- as your experiments show -  enough spikes from the WH to transform some of the energy created by the WH to the secondary circuit.

By intropducing a spark gap you are simply creating more spikes.  And of course the output is a function of the materials used... mass and density all play a role in resonance.  Various materials = various results.  Some are better at creating the pulse needed for induction.

so what's the big deal?  I'm not seeing it.




 

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