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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 831115 times)

persume

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #930 on: April 19, 2009, 07:33:21 PM »
Quote from: broli on April 19, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
Here is the proof of how some can ruin it for the whole world;

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2874

This is the kind of attitude that disgusts me, having it unfold before my eyes is even worse.

Here you have a lad that is a bit shy to share then come in these money hungry old farts and ruining it for everybody else. How can the world progress like this? I'm sick and tired of these people.

Want to know the type of people I am sick and tired of? Trolls that frequent forums like Bessler wheel, who look and look because they lack creative initiative, who might offer a service or advice just to gain some trust to reap an idea here or there from an unwitting suspect. People crying, it's all about sharing, lets do it together, please help me, or, I'll help you friend - pat on the back, now what do I get in return...don't worry our secrets safe with me...etc. It's disgusting, and yeah I hate the kind of people you are refering to as well the, I know I know, so here it is...Greedy swine broli, greedy swine who have the audacity to call Bessler greedy when it took over ten years to get to what he did.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #931 on: April 19, 2009, 07:41:03 PM »
I bet Broli was a tattle tale as a child!
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #932 on: April 19, 2009, 07:43:34 PM »
Just thinking out loud: If Abeling is using springs where would he put them?
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i_ron

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #933 on: April 19, 2009, 07:58:36 PM »
Quote from: Dusty on April 19, 2009, 03:02:14 AM
Just another update.  I found some old plywood curve shapes and tried them on the wheel.  Like I say this is all guess work which will give me ideas to build the next test.  This video is just to show what I'm working on because once I make a big change it will be too late to see what I've tried.  If you see something I should try, just let me know.  The weight only needs to go 1 1/4" higher to reach the hockey stick slot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THC9mx7W1hg

Dusty

Very good indeed Dusty, my couple of thoughts are as follows...

The axle should go right the way through both discs ...with just the two pillow blocks as Larry
suggests. But most importantly your upper ramp needs to be just a little longer and have the
flat of the hockey stick slot contact the bearing as it leaves the ramp. You don't want it to stall but
it needs to give it a little bat or squeeze as it leaves the ramp to shoot the axle and weight to
the end of the slot..."If the system would fail to catch the propelled weight, the weight would be ejected from the system with force." there is nothing propelling your weight out, right?

The space between the ramp and the slot at the final moment must be just smaller than the
bearing diameter, so that the axle is propeller that final inch or two to the end of the slot, like
standing on the tooth paste tube...like cutting on a round rod with scissors....your final contact
angles need to be like a pair of scissors....

You have remarkable travel as it is with only two weights and I am almost sure with more weights
that it might even be greater, good work!

Ron

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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #934 on: April 19, 2009, 08:13:09 PM »
Quote from: persume on April 19, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
Want to know the type of people I am sick and tired of? Trolls that frequent forums like Bessler wheel, who look and look because they lack creative initiative, who might offer a service or advice just to gain some trust to reap an idea here or there from an unwitting suspect. People crying, it's all about sharing, lets do it together, please help me, or, I'll help you friend - pat on the back, now what do I get in return...don't worry our secrets safe with me...etc. It's disgusting, and yeah I hate the kind of people you are refering to as well the, I know I know, so here it is...Greedy swine broli, greedy swine who have the audacity to call Bessler greedy when it took over ten years to get to what he did.

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The people who should get their heads out of their arses are the ones who think they can get away with a patent on an overunity device.

Anyone who is not willing to share an invention which will profoundly further mankind is either too dumb to realise he or she will bathe in riches regardless of patent or money for selling or not because the CREDIT will be linked to them, are too greedy or simply have nothing to show and are looking for attention.

Bessler falls into the second category.

Genius or not, Bessler was a greedy bastard and I do blame him for not disclosing his invention.
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i_ron

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #935 on: April 19, 2009, 08:18:35 PM »
Quote from: i_ron on April 19, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
Very good indeed Dusty, my couple of thoughts are as follows...
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You have remarkable travel as it is with only two weights and I am almost sure with more weights
that it might even be greater, good work!

Ron

I have to say that again, great work, you are doing every thing right! To see the weight climb as high
as it does is amazing... I thought it would be all over at 9:00, this is good news.

Your ramps are working, and with more weights on the down side and more weights on the up ramp
it will work just fine.

How much nicer to see an actual build like this, rather than the waste of time wm2D crap, lol

Ron


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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #936 on: April 19, 2009, 08:29:20 PM »
Dusty, fantastic work.........!
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i_ron

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #937 on: April 19, 2009, 08:41:05 PM »
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 19, 2009, 08:13:09 PM

Genius or not, Bessler was a greedy bastard and I do blame him for not disclosing his invention.

Maybe in reality it is the greedy bastard that wants something for nothing.

But it was his decision, made for reasons that he considered valid.

Maybe he read the book where JC says, "don't throw pearls before swine"

I accept his decision, quit monday morning quarter backing and get on with it...

Ron
 
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #938 on: April 19, 2009, 08:44:18 PM »
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 19, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The people who should get their heads out of their arses are the ones who think they can get away with a patent on an overunity device.

Anyone who is not willing to share an invention which will profoundly further mankind is either too dumb to realise he or she will bathe in riches regardless of patent or money for selling or not because the CREDIT will be linked to them, are too greedy or simply have nothing to show and are looking for attention.

Bessler falls into the second category.

Genius or not, Bessler was a greedy bastard and I do blame him for not disclosing his invention.

Spend ten plus years trying to develop something, put all of your time into it, then speak up and see if greed has anything to do with it. Be attacked by others who want what you've done, not respecting how much work you've done, then speak up and say "I'm being greedy". Better yet put your money where your mouth is and take all of earnings you've made for the last ten years and give it all away. Then throw the stone that shows how charitable you have been.
Don't blame Bessler for your lack of appreciation for hard work done. Show me truly how heroic you are by following the exact same path but by deviating at the end and giving it all away. Finally, don't you dare and try to compare a society and a lifestyle of 300 years ago with today. Bessler had nothing to do with todays situation we are in.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #939 on: April 19, 2009, 08:46:11 PM »
Quote from: i_ron on April 19, 2009, 08:41:05 PM
Maybe in reality it is the greedy bastard that wants something for nothing.


Maybe he read the book where JC says, "don't throw pearls before swine"



Ron
 

Exactly and you've read my mind with that last part, only I decided not to say it.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #940 on: April 19, 2009, 08:47:24 PM »
AquariuZ,  Automobiles were beneficial to mankind, should they not be patented?  High efficiency products ( ac,  hot water tanks, appliances, etc. etc. etc. )  are beneficial to mankind,  should they not be patented?   Medicine is beneficial to mankind, should they not be patented?  Why be so harsh on someone who would want to patent a gravity wheel?  By the way you don't seem to be upset that Sjack has patented his wheel.  Patenting something MAKES it public. 
Burying this technology is a different story.   Am I wrong?
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #941 on: April 19, 2009, 09:06:40 PM »
Dusty, may i just say, that is fantastic work, I could not build half as good as you, I cant wait to see when you have all the weights in, seems promising to me...

Alex
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AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #942 on: April 19, 2009, 09:52:04 PM »
...and the left hand shakes the right hand.

And why -do tell- did he not reveal the secret on his death bed then?

Mankind are swine?

And yes if I find something like this I will shove it down your throaths free of charge and happy to do it. As my "getting on" with it:

How much are YOU going to pay me?

Pathetic closed source thinking.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #943 on: April 19, 2009, 09:56:01 PM »
Quote from: overtaker on April 19, 2009, 08:47:24 PM
AquariuZ,  Automobiles were beneficial to mankind, should they not be patented?  High efficiency products ( ac,  hot water tanks, appliances, etc. etc. etc. )  are beneficial to mankind,  should they not be patented?   Medicine is beneficial to mankind, should they not be patented?  Why be so harsh on someone who would want to patent a gravity wheel?  By the way you don't seem to be upset that Sjack has patented his wheel.  Patenting something MAKES it public. 
Burying this technology is a different story.   Am I wrong?

You are right in the context of a monetary based society

You are dead wrong in a resource based technological society, where all advances are for the benefit of all mankind, not just the individual who makes the discovery.

The Abeling patent only reveals he is holding back something, unless unbalanced gravity wheels suddenly decided to start working.
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #944 on: April 19, 2009, 10:31:19 PM »
Why did Bessler not reveal his secrete on his death bed?  Maybe cause he died on impact!  I wasn't there so that's my guess.
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