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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 514198 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #855 on: April 17, 2009, 02:59:52 AM »
LOL

This has more thrills in it than Indiana Jones

Look out for the wheel! Watch the ramp! Noo.

....just......cant......yes

 Cherrymans gears BTW enjoy the show

OK back to the egg...

Well, a 20 Kg weight,
getting almost 3000 kG of 3 wheels running in an instant fast like this via a small
impact is probably a programm error.
IMO, The inertia with the 3 wheels is just too big to get them going this fast...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #856 on: April 17, 2009, 03:47:25 AM »
Hans

Water wheels have spin combined with drop.

Alan,

The question is: what is the difference in spinning, rotating and revolving

Spin: to rotate or cause to rotate swiftly; twirl... To reel; whirl.
 
Rotate: To turn on an axis.

Revolve; To orbit a central point.

Water wheels exhibit rotation, they do not drop from their axis or orbit a central point which in this case is elliptical. .

Ralph 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #857 on: April 17, 2009, 03:47:53 AM »
I think you are absolutely right Sefan - I played around with various weights etc & the inertia didn't appear to be calculating correctly as you suggest - even though some of us are looking for unusual results to peak our interest & suspicions the mundane chore of applying common sense can kill the party mood - that's why if you have something interesting & simple in wm you should build it & then input the data into the sim & tweak it till results match, IMO - if there truly is an unexpected result the real world build should show the effect & it should be able to be duplicated in the sim program reasonably accurately.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #858 on: April 17, 2009, 03:58:56 AM »
Since my last video of my theory of operation, I have built a device.  It is not finished and that will take a few more days.  I changed some of my thinking on how it works since the patent was released just a couple days after my last video.  I need to build the tracks next and that will take a bunch of experimenting.  You have to realize this device is only a starting point.  If it works right off the bat, well fine, but otherwise I will rebuild the wheels and tracks as necessary.  There are several factors to consider such as diameter of wheel, placement of slots and their shape, weight of the dumbells and probably most important is the shape of the tracking system.

Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjWbVwmcXc

Thanks, Dusty.

(I have that user name because of all my woodworking I do.)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #859 on: April 17, 2009, 04:19:49 AM »
Last motor-less toy for now.

I gave up watching after 40 minutes or so...

Gets stuck now and again then starts again. Lost the beginning so no clue how it started..

The roof is to prevent the spheres going airborne

Bug or not, would make a nice screensaver

Ill send this to the guy at wm2d as well for comment (Yeah like he is going to state wm2d cannot handle elasticity in collissions)


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #859 on: April 17, 2009, 04:19:49 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #860 on: April 17, 2009, 04:31:11 AM »
Since my last video of my theory of operation, I have built a device.  It is not finished and that will take a few more days.  I changed some of my thinking on how it works since the patent was released just a couple days after my last video.  I need to build the tracks next and that will take a bunch of experimenting.  You have to realize this device is only a starting point.  If it works right off the bat, well fine, but otherwise I will rebuild the wheels and tracks as necessary.  There are several factors to consider such as diameter of wheel, placement of slots and their shape, weight of the dumbells and probably most important is the shape of the tracking system.

Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjWbVwmcXc

Thanks, Dusty.

(I have that user name because of all my woodworking I do.)

Hi Dusty,

Very nice build and good looking shop. I'm glad someone is building and nice to see that you're using one of Eisenficker2000 design and Sjack's Fig 8. When I'm freed up again, I wanted to start building again. Right now it is a toss up between continuing on Bob K's machine or starting with Sjack's. Bob K's design is more expensive (large pneumatic cylinders) than Sjack's so your attempt will help me decide. Please let us know both the successes and failures as it will be of great help to other physical builders.

Best of Success,
Larry 
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 05:29:51 AM by LarryC »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #861 on: April 17, 2009, 04:34:18 AM »
Wow, @Dusty, you’re not kiddin’. Very skillfully crafted. I’m impressed. Wish you all the luck. Will be following your progress closely.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #862 on: April 17, 2009, 04:36:32 AM »
Since my last video of my theory of operation, I have built a device.  It is not finished and that will take a few more days.  I changed some of my thinking on how it works since the patent was released just a couple days after my last video.  I need to build the tracks next and that will take a bunch of experimenting.  You have to realize this device is only a starting point.  If it works right off the bat, well fine, but otherwise I will rebuild the wheels and tracks as necessary.  There are several factors to consider such as diameter of wheel, placement of slots and their shape, weight of the dumbells and probably most important is the shape of the tracking system.

Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjWbVwmcXc

Thanks, Dusty.

(I have that user name because of all my woodworking I do.)

Awesome

Please keep in mind that the patent does not appear to display any design which would provide acceleration from gravity..Probably for a reason


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #863 on: April 17, 2009, 04:47:33 AM »
Neat AquariuZ,

Have a look at this one. Here we separate the centrifugal force from the force imparted by the drop. Notice how the wheel keeps spinning while the released centrifugal force propels the ball up a ramp.

Question is: Are the two forces added together more than the potential energy from the drop? You be the judge.

Hans von Lieven

In theory, no. But to show you the math I am not the one to do so..

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #863 on: April 17, 2009, 04:47:33 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #864 on: April 17, 2009, 04:49:21 AM »
Since my last video of my theory of operation, I have built a device.  It is not finished and that will take a few more days.  I changed some of my thinking on how it works since the patent was released just a couple days after my last video.  I need to build the tracks next and that will take a bunch of experimenting.  You have to realize this device is only a starting point.  If it works right off the bat, well fine, but otherwise I will rebuild the wheels and tracks as necessary.  There are several factors to consider such as diameter of wheel, placement of slots and their shape, weight of the dumbells and probably most important is the shape of the tracking system.

Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjWbVwmcXc

Thanks, Dusty.

(I have that user name because of all my woodworking I do.)

Nice build Dusty! :)

   Justalabrat

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #865 on: April 17, 2009, 04:49:57 AM »
Hi Hans,

Rigid joints on 'Measurable' and air-resistance on 'Low speed' (after all, despite vacuum, there are internal losses, as @mondrasek emphasized on several occasions), ignoring the non-physical weight of the ball holder, and all is well and good. (see attached).

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #866 on: April 17, 2009, 05:48:42 AM »
@ Hans, valid point point about the yoyo. Its all connected. If only you could find a video about a build researching gravity induced cf forces.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2LxSGlLvL8

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #867 on: April 17, 2009, 05:53:53 AM »
My question is with regard to the above is: After the weight develops it potential energy prior to the 6:00 position, isn't most (if not all) of that potential energy alledgedly transferred to the wheel in the form of kinetic energy? Also, as the weights travel in toward the center from 6:00 to 9:00 they lose acceleration. With regard to both of these points, how is it that there is any energy left to create any forward momentum beyond the 9:00 point, let alone any centrifugal acceleration?

Regards,
Charlie

Charlie,

I am glad you have come around to agreeing with me.  It is hard to follow mondrasek in the above as he (they) were mixing in gyros. But the basic statement as to 6:00 to 9:00 in Abeling's wheel is that
once started up the ramp the weight, because it is having it's orbit made smaller, will increase its
velocity. This will drive the wheel in this 6:00 to 9:00 position.

But as I suggested before, there is no centrifugal sling effect between 9:00 and 12:00, (as you now
ask). If there were, the weights would fly out at 10:00 and beyond, right? They don't. Witness the
ramp changes from an outside ramp at 9:00 to an inside ramp so as the weight won't FALL into
the the axle end of the slot.

The unbalance drives the wheel in the 2:00 to 5:00 position, the 'orbit change' drives the wheel in the
6:00 to 9:00 position and the wheel uses these two forces to lift the weights from 9:00 to 12:00.

Ron




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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #868 on: April 17, 2009, 06:47:12 AM »
@All,

In a slight, what may may seem as, support of @mondrasek's gyroscope conjecture. Does anyone recall the controversy started with the paper by Hayasaka H. and Takeuchi S., Phys.Rev.Lett., 63, 2701-2704 (1989) and its suspiciously fast "debunking", at that not even using the same setup (Fuller J.E. et al, Phys.Rev.Lett., 64, 825-826 (1990); Quinn T.J. and Picard A., Nature, 732-735 (1990))? Hayasaka and Takeuchi claimed experimental mass reduction in spinning gyroscopes for one sense of rotation. One should note, however, that even if such effect were real it isn't likely to be applicable in our case where the induced spinning can hardly be of a magnitude for the above mass reduction effect, even if real, to be detectable.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #869 on: April 17, 2009, 02:22:27 PM »
@All,

In a slight, what may may seem as, support of @mondrasek's gyroscope conjecture. Does anyone recall the controversy started with the paper by Hayasaka H. and Takeuchi S., Phys.Rev.Lett., 63, 2701-2704 (1989) and its suspiciously fast "debunking", at that not even using the same setup (Fuller J.E. et al, Phys.Rev.Lett., 64, 825-826 (1990); Quinn T.J. and Picard A., Nature, 732-735 (1990))? Hayasaka and Takeuchi claimed experimental mass reduction in spinning gyroscopes for one sense of rotation. One should note, however, that even if such effect were real it isn't likely to be applicable in our case where the induced spinning can hardly be of a magnitude for the above mass reduction effect, even if real, to be detectable.

YES

This does ring a bell, thanks for posting the details about this.  Again all the more interesting when taking all factors into account .

I am currently working on the initial "egg" model to see if I can find the optimal configuration where hopefully we should see something extraordinary. Note I do not expect to see any Hayasaka / Takeuchi mass reduction effect in a model. I do however expect to see "something" in a correct real world setup.

But hopefully modeling can be used in finding this setup including the correct paths the weights need to travel to achieve the imbalance which will accelerate the carrier.

 

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