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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 823496 times)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #480 on: April 12, 2009, 06:16:26 PM »
Here's a link to a pdf version of Dutchy's translation (6.2 MB):
  http://rapidshare.com/files/220460304/abeling.pdf.html

And here's a link to the original Word version of his translation (1.6 MB):
  http://rapidshare.com/files/220469055/abeling.doc

There should be no limit to the number of downloads for either of these.

ETA:  PLEASE NOTE:  Attached directly to this post is a smaller, text-only version of the translation.  If you've already downloaded the patent, you already have the diagrams.



Thanks Oak.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #481 on: April 12, 2009, 06:18:48 PM »
Here is Dutchy's text. Thanks from AquariuZ (  ::) )

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This is the essence of the dutch worded Abeling patent. The translation is my interpretation and is mainly focused on the description of the working principal.

This invention converts gravitational energy into kinetic (rotational) energy.
The principal of conversion comes from controlling the falling and lifting forces that are applied to the weights involved. By letting the weights move radially outward during their fall and force them radially inward on their way up (by means of a guiding system) a momentum is created which is available at the central axle. 

It consists of:
-   at least one carrier disc (2) rotating around a horizontal axle (6), having at least one weight (3) attached which can move mainly radially outward  in a predetermined path. It has slots in it as we know from the pictures seen in the video. The slots can be different in shape and number but figure two is a nice starting point. The central axle is fixed to the carrier disc.
-   Two stands (5) which host the guiding means for the weights. See figure 3.
Point A is the center axle. Further there is the oval shaped guide which guides the weights according to the track shown in Figure 4. The stand have bearings for the central axle(7).
-   Weights.
The weights are indeed dumbbell like, which means two (half) weights attached by a connecting rod which protrudes the carrier disc (2)
-   Extra guiding means (4). These consists of rods (15) attached to the edge of the carrier disc (2) and sitting in a ring bearing(16) on the stands. The ring can be seen  in Figure 3. This seems to be optional and is to prevent wobble of the disc.
Note: Figure 1 shows two discs working side by side which is not further mentioned. One half is the basic principle!

Each carrier disc (2) has for each weight a curved radial guiding slot (fig. 2). To promote the impact of the weights spiraling outward each guiding slot has a curve on the end. The curve being in the direction of rotation. In the example shown the slot is even totally curved.
Each weight can be shifted radially in its own curved guiding slot.
The guiding means(4) on the stands (5) consist in this example of rings (13) by which the weights are guided. These rings are also cut in the stand. These rings have a oval sort of shape. Because of the shape of the rings each weights gets propelled when it comes up to its highest point. This creates a lot of energy.
The oval shape is somewhat tilted. This way the weights are forced to start moving inward already before reaching the lowest point.
In figure 4 one can see the pathway which the weights are forced to follow. At weight posion 3_12 (figure 4)the weights starts getting warped outward again.

In figure 4 the pathway for a single way is shown. It should be clear that each weight follows this same pathway. In figures 5A to 5D the pathways of a 4 weight example is shown. Notice how the weights move towards and away from each other.

The improved version that is being tested at this moment has two carrier discs side by side and the weights in between them (see figure 7). The weights are guided by both discs. The guiding slots are shaped like hockey sticks and positioned as shown in Figure 8. The curved end of the “hockeystick” causes the weight to be briefly , but very intensely, warped outward.  Notice that the slots do NOT stretch out radially!     


That was quite interesting, if its that easy, then thats quite amazing...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #482 on: April 12, 2009, 06:34:27 PM »
Hardly Omnibus, you don't see Henkle advertising the fact they might be supplying something to Abeling. It's no skin off their nose, money is money. Now if Abeling really did have something that worked, and they knew about it, they would make no hesitation in advertising the fact that they would be the supplier to this incredible piece of technology. I seriously doubt it that Henkle knows specifics about the supposed technology at all, other than they are working out a quote for supply costs.

Hi Persume,

This is just what I was thinking following the discussion about Henkel's involvement. Henkel can be involved in the project without endorsing a particular application of the product it supplies.

If I was asked to design a database to handle a capacity at a certain rate, I'd do it and supply it to a customer. I'd certainly be "seriously involved" in the project, but if the customer decides this database is to be used to build a self-aware computing system, I'm not making any comment on whether or not the goal feasible, and I'm not exploiting the customer by taking on the commission. Who am I to say what the customer should or shouldn't spend their money on?

I can supply what's been asked of me, both with a clean conscience and with my critical faculties intact. I'd also be perfectly happy to go public about it. If my database performs according to the specification asked and the customer's satisfied, it's a ringing endorsement of my service, nothing to do with the ambitions of the customer.

This applies to *almost* every consumer / supplier relationship.

Cheers

S

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #483 on: April 12, 2009, 06:34:43 PM »
 AquariuZ in reply to the wrongly placed glass comment, I'd like you to show me any real life engineering situation where weights are being thrown about with enough force to power over a thousand homes, and glass is used as the powers structure.
 I'd like you to show me how there is no danger of said glass being chipped, scratched, or in the most obvious case completely destroyed, if not immediately, then over time.

As a second request I'd like you to negate an abvious fact that all of Sjacks Abelings previous patents had to do with media display ( for trade shows etc. ) and then try to tell me that Glas AanHecht doesn't specialize in producing products of a similar nature ( which it does )
"In cooperation with partner Henkel B.V. and Glaswerk Hoogezand B.V., Glas Aanhecht is producing decorative glass. For example: granite glass, Trespa glass, marmoleum glass and other materials. These materials are glued to the back of glass, with the decorative side forward. These products are marketed by sales organizations."

I also wonder if Sjack is or isn't getting coin for every click visitors make to those other sites marketed up on his site. Which might have nothing to do with the above but it is a matter of interest.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #484 on: April 12, 2009, 06:38:33 PM »
Just posting as I pass..

Hope format looks ok

               5

(...)
      The invention is now explained using a number of examples, with reference
20   to the attached drawings, where corresponding parts are marked with reference numbers
   which are raised by 100 at a time and whereby:
      Fig. 1 shows a frontal view of the first type of the conversion unit according to
   the invention,
25      Fig. 2 shows a side view od the carrier of the conversion unit of fig. 1, with eight
   guiding rails for weights,
      Fig. 3 shows a side view of the guidance ring and the axle ring of the conversion
   unit of fig. 1,
30      Fig. 4 shows a schematic side view of the path which a weight follows during a
   complete rotation of the carrier,


               6

      Fig. 5A to 5D shows a schematic of a number of positions of an alternative
   implementation of the carrier which is fitted with four weights,
5      Fig. 6 shows a side view of another implementation of the carrier, which
   is fitted with a serrated surface,
      Fig.7 shows a view from behind of another implementation of the conversion
   unit of fig. 7, and
      Fig. 8 ahows a side view of one of the carriers of the conversion unit of
10   fig. 7.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #485 on: April 12, 2009, 06:40:22 PM »
Hi Persume,

This is just what I was thinking following the discussion about Henkel's involvement. Henkel can be involved in the project without endorsing a particular application of the product it supplies.

If I was asked to design a database to handle a capacity at a certain rate, I'd do it and supply it to a customer. I'd certainly be "seriously involved" in the project, but if the customer decides this database is to be used to build a self-aware computing system, I'm not making any comment on whether or not the goal feasible, and I'm not exploiting the customer by taking on the commission. Who am I to say what the customer should or shouldn't spend their money on?

I can supply what's been asked of me, both with a clean conscience and with my critical faculties intact. I'd also be perfectly happy to go public about it. If my database performs according to the specification asked and the customer's satisfied, it's a ringing endorsement of my service, nothing to do with the ambitions of the customer.

This applies to *almost* every consumer / supplier relationship.

Cheers

S

HI S,
Your right. I can't fathom why there are those who immediately assume the invention must be true, or the inventor is on the up and up, just because the inventor has other companies names on his site. Your points are well taken and are what I was trying to get across.
Thanks.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #486 on: April 12, 2009, 06:45:47 PM »
Well, from what I can see, we have no "spectacular event" taking place that would add energy to spin this wheel, or to use less energy to raise the weights than is available due to the falling weights.

When you bring a weight on a spinning wheel inwards towards the axle, you must do work.  Spin around holding a weight at arm's length and try to pull it in.  It takes work.  In the case of this wheel the energy to drive the weights against the ramp guides to force it towards the axle is being supplied by the inertia of the wheel (initially gained from the falling weights).  It will also try to accelerate the wheel since the weight an the larger radius is moving faster than the weight on the smaller radius.  In order to slow down the weight as it is moved in, energy is transferred to the wheel, causing it to speed up.  This is like the ice skater who spins faster by pulling their arms and legs in close to the axis of their spin.

Now when you allow that weight to move back out further away from the axle, the weight must be accelerated.  So it will slow the wheel.  It takes the energy it needs again from the inertia of the wheel (initially gained from the falling weights).

These interactions are all well known and follow exactly the equations of conventional physics.  The Potential Energy of a weight at the top of a wheel is converted to Kinetic Energy (velocity of the weight and rotation of the wheel) while falling.  That exact amount of Kinetic Energy is required to push, pull, swing, throw, etc. that weight back to the top of the wheel.  Without losses due to friction the sum is exactly zero.  With friction it is less and you never spin one entire revolution.

The weights in this wheel are brought in towards the axle by the ramps.  Centrifugal Force will cause them to throw out towards the rim again in just the motion Abeling describes, but those actions will absorb all the kinetic energy released by the falling weight side.  If turned by a motor it will perform quite spectacularly just as described, very similar to Cherryman and AquariuZ models have done.

So either Abeling has nothing new, OR, this patent protects the device by protecting only one of it's pieces.  There could still be some other unrevealed piece that makes the magic happen.  That secret piece may only work with a wheel and weight configuration which he now has patented.

I am regretably confident that this design cannot run as presented.  But could it be part of an as yet unrevealed whole?

Modelers, remember to keep to the scale of a wheel between 1.5 and 2 meters in diameter.  And good luck!

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #487 on: April 12, 2009, 06:48:20 PM »
Hi guys, im still alive!The MIB were tough but i resisted!  ;D

Had a quick look at the patent, "curved ramps"  ;D

Anyway..  here is a quick start to play with.

Timing, weight.. will be critical.




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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #488 on: April 12, 2009, 06:49:21 PM »
HI S,
Your right. I can't fathom why there are those who immediately assume the invention must be true, or the inventor is on the up and up, just because the inventor has other companies names on his site. Your points are well taken and are what I was trying to get across.
Thanks.

Well you got them across as far as I'm concerned :-)

At this stage it boils down to opinion in the end. Not many people can look at things without any of their personal beliefs influencing things one way or another (me included of course).

Whether or not any of it's true, it's entertaining to speculate - you learn something one way or another.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #489 on: April 12, 2009, 06:49:51 PM »
Hi Figthers!

I have transformed the pdf file (Sjack Abeling patent NL1034252C1) into an .html file.

So, you are able to use Google for translating this .html file into your favorite language.
You can see some automatic translations on: http://freenrg.info/Sjack_Abeling/Patent/Html

Very Best
« Last Edit: April 13, 2009, 12:17:10 AM by NerzhDishual »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #490 on: April 12, 2009, 07:11:22 PM »
(cont)


         An installation 1 for the conversion of gravitational energy, consists of two parallel
      movable carriers 2 which rotate around a joint axle line A with each having a number of weights
15      3 attached in the rotational path (fig. 1) These weights 3 are movable in a radial direction in
      relation to axle line A. The conversion unit 1 contains collaborating materials 4 to guide the radial
      displacement of weights 3. These guiding materials 4, which will be discussed in detail hereafter,
20      are incorporated in side plates 5, which are located on the sides of each carrier 2 parallel to the
      plane of the rotational movement.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #491 on: April 12, 2009, 07:18:04 PM »
(cont)
      In the shown example both carriers 2 are fixed against rotation on the pertruding axle 6, which
25      is housed in a baring in the openings 7 in the side plates 5. This axle 6 could be attached to a
      generator, through which the output of unit 1 would be converted to e.g. electrical energy. The
      carriers 2 and the side plates 5 shown in this example are made out of glass, but other materials
30      with minimal friction like metals could be used.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #492 on: April 12, 2009, 07:25:23 PM »
Stuck the translation + images up as a fairly ropey Google doc, might do until the more expert versions are available:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddr3zqdb_7f7wrvpdz

Oops just checked and that's a proper mess, best ignored. Not sure what I did there.

This seems to more or less work:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddr3zqdb_14fwv39dgr

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #493 on: April 12, 2009, 07:27:27 PM »
(cont)

         Every carrier 2 has the appearance of a disc, in which for every weight 3 a radially



                  (7)
      directed guidance track 8 is formed (fig.  2). To facilitate the outward hurling of weights 3 the
      guiding tracks at least have on their end 9 which are furthest from axle 6 a track segment which
 5      is curved. The curvature is pointed towards the rotational direction of carrier 2. In the shown
      example the guiding tracks even have a smooth curvature over their entire lenght.
      

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #494 on: April 12, 2009, 07:27:34 PM »
Stuck the translation + images up as a fairly ropey Google doc, might do until the more expert versions are available:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddr3zqdb_7f7wrvpdz

Great work!

Can you rotate the imiges who stand sideways now?