Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant (Read 830876 times)

Omnibus · « **Reply #465 on:** April 12, 2009, 03:41:24 PM »

@AquariuZ,

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OK, Cherryman was kidnapped by the MIB, and no other takers yet, so off I go.

With that kind of involvement by the government, if at all, Holland emerges as a MiB-free country so I'm expecting @Cherryman to appear any moment. By the way, thanks for taking the time to translate the patent. Shouldn't it be patented in the US and other countries as well?

noonespecial · « **Reply #466 on:** April 12, 2009, 03:57:00 PM »

Quote from: hansvonlieven on April 12, 2009, 08:18:13 AM

G'day all,

For those of you that are playing around with that inner ramp idea here is probably the most interesting version. It was designed in 1835 in England by Dixon Vallance. Instead of a ramp it features a belt.

Hans von Lieven

What is driving the belt pulleys? I assume that its off of the larger wheel but I don't see it in the picture.

AquariuZ · « **Reply #467 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:29:05 PM »

So the path of the weights is almost exactly as figured out in here.
Barriers or guiders in smooth flowing curves pushing weight towards axle at six o clock and moves it into place at one o clock. All very tight

Initial reaction: cannot work due to friction

BUT

The claim is

Abeling has considerably reduced and hence overcome friction by the following

For the guides and sockets he uses an interrupted teeth like surface, like the outside of a gear or cogwheel to reduce friction. Please check Fig 6. on 6/7 to see the teeth like surface.

And guess what will further reduce friction: using GLASS as a material for the guides.

I believe this is the main "extra" he uses to make this work.

Running out of time for now, will translate as much as I can and post.

Looking forward to future analysis and replication

AquariuZ · « **Reply #468 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:32:05 PM »

Quote from: Omnibus on April 12, 2009, 03:41:24 PM

the time to translate the patent. Shouldn't it be patented in the US and other countries as well?

If he has not done it yet, it now cannot be patented anymore because it is public?

In any case it should be public, who cares about a patent. Our best chances are to replicate asap with what we have. Or try at least. About MIB: I do not really believe in them, but I believe in the Evil of Big Corp

dutchy1966 · « **Reply #469 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:33:12 PM »

Hi all,

I have done some manual translation. The important things are covered in it.
All the pictures are in there aswell.
I left it in Word 2003 format so others (AquariuZ

) can work on it as well.

I think it might be a good start.

Used rapidshare cause the attachment was to large.....

http://rapidshare.com/files/220455099/abeling.doc.html

enjoy!

regards,

Dutchy

I just noticed that it can only be downloaded 10 times from rapidshare..... Can someone repost it here as pdf maybe?

AquariuZ · « **Reply #470 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:48:04 PM »

I wonder if there arenÂ´t even better materials to reduce friction

What about TEFLON for instance

Needs to be durable too.

oak · « **Reply #471 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:52:52 PM »

Here's a link to a pdf version of Dutchy's translation (6.2 MB):
http://rapidshare.com/files/220460304/abeling.pdf.html

And here's a link to the original Word version of his translation (1.6 MB):
http://rapidshare.com/files/220469055/abeling.doc

There should be no limit to the number of downloads for either of these.

ETA: PLEASE NOTE: Attached directly to this post is a smaller, text-only version of the translation. If you've already downloaded the patent, you already have the diagrams.

ETA: SEE ALSO five posts below this one -- text copied into post.

spinner · « **Reply #472 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:56:33 PM »

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 04:29:05 PM

So the path of the weights is almost exactly as figured out in here.
Barriers or guiders in smooth flowing curves pushing weight towards axle at six o clock and moves it into place at one o clock. All very tight

Initial reaction: cannot work due to friction

BUT

The claim is

Abeling has considerably reduced and hence overcome friction by the following

For the guides and sockets he uses an interrupted teeth like surface, like the outside of a gear or cogwheel to reduce friction. Please check Fig 6. on 6/7 to see the teeth like surface.

And guess what will further reduce friction: using GLASS as a material for the guides.

I believe this is the main "extra" he uses to make this work.
...

So it was really a glass afterall ... (not the fibreglass)

You cannot make a "working gravity wheel" just by reducing the frictional losses.
I thought everybody knew that?

Looking forward to hear what other goods are hidden in this patent application text....

rbe · « **Reply #473 on:** April 12, 2009, 04:58:37 PM »

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 03:35:04 PM

Someone with OCR capabilities please upload the text, if not I have to type every letter by hand!!

If you can translate PDF to Text please send or upload the text (only)

See TinkÂ´s post, the patent is online now....

Hi Guys,

First post here, I must say I find this tread very interesting and I really hope this wheel of Sjack's is for real.

As I dont know dutch and want to read the patent of Sjack's ASAP Im glad to contibute a text version (a bit rough) for easy translation.

Cheers

Keep up the good work!

spinner · « **Reply #474 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:33:39 PM »

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 04:48:04 PM

I wonder if there arenÂ´t even better materials to reduce friction

What about TEFLON for instance

Needs to be durable too.

Yes, teflon would be one of such modern materials, much better than glass in terms of low friction.
Or simply a polished steel contact surfaces and a good grease on all of those rails, guides, joints... (which works quite nicely...)

Maybe contactless magnetic levitation?

But... What would make his wheel spinnin' ?

AquariuZ · « **Reply #475 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:39:12 PM »

Quote from: rbe on April 12, 2009, 04:58:37 PM

Hi Guys,

First post here, I must say I find this tread very interesting and I really hope this wheel of Sjack's is for real.

As I dont know dutch and want to read the patent of Sjack's ASAP Im glad to contibute a text version (a bit rough) for easy translation.

Cheers

Keep up the good work!

Thank you

AquariuZ · « **Reply #476 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:43:10 PM »

Here is Dutchy's text. Thanks from AquariuZ (

)

This is the essence of the dutch worded Abeling patent. The translation is my interpretation and is mainly focused on the description of the working principal.

This invention converts gravitational energy into kinetic (rotational) energy.
The principal of conversion comes from controlling the falling and lifting forces that are applied to the weights involved. By letting the weights move radially outward during their fall and force them radially inward on their way up (by means of a guiding system) a momentum is created which is available at the central axle.

It consists of:
-   at least one carrier disc (2) rotating around a horizontal axle (6), having at least one weight (3) attached which can move mainly radially outward in a predetermined path. It has slots in it as we know from the pictures seen in the video. The slots can be different in shape and number but figure two is a nice starting point. The central axle is fixed to the carrier disc.
-   Two stands (5) which host the guiding means for the weights. See figure 3.
Point A is the center axle. Further there is the oval shaped guide which guides the weights according to the track shown in Figure 4. The stand have bearings for the central axle(7).
-   Weights.
The weights are indeed dumbbell like, which means two (half) weights attached by a connecting rod which protrudes the carrier disc (2)
-   Extra guiding means (4). These consists of rods (15) attached to the edge of the carrier disc (2) and sitting in a ring bearing(16) on the stands. The ring can be seen in Figure 3. This seems to be optional and is to prevent wobble of the disc.
Note: Figure 1 shows two discs working side by side which is not further mentioned. One half is the basic principle!

Each carrier disc (2) has for each weight a curved radial guiding slot (fig. 2). To promote the impact of the weights spiraling outward each guiding slot has a curve on the end. The curve being in the direction of rotation. In the example shown the slot is even totally curved.
Each weight can be shifted radially in its own curved guiding slot.
The guiding means(4) on the stands (5) consist in this example of rings (13) by which the weights are guided. These rings are also cut in the stand. These rings have a oval sort of shape. Because of the shape of the rings each weights gets propelled when it comes up to its highest point. This creates a lot of energy.
The oval shape is somewhat tilted. This way the weights are forced to start moving inward already before reaching the lowest point.
In figure 4 one can see the pathway which the weights are forced to follow. At weight posion 3_12 (figure 4)the weights starts getting warped outward again.

In figure 4 the pathway for a single way is shown. It should be clear that each weight follows this same pathway. In figures 5A to 5D the pathways of a 4 weight example is shown. Notice how the weights move towards and away from each other.

The improved version that is being tested at this moment has two carrier discs side by side and the weights in between them (see figure 7). The weights are guided by both discs. The guiding slots are shaped like hockey sticks and positioned as shown in Figure 8. The curved end of the â€œhockeystickâ€ causes the weight to be briefly , but very intensely, warped outward. Notice that the slots do NOT stretch out radially!

persume · « **Reply #477 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:52:01 PM »

I was talking about the Sjack Abeling device when it comes to the bet.

persume · « **Reply #478 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:57:56 PM »

Quote from: Omnibus on April 12, 2009, 11:05:14 AM

So, we know it cannot work but, hey, why not make a buck off of it like Sterling does. We're in a really bad shape if reputable companies such as Henkel rationalizes it that way.

Hardly Omnibus, you don't see Henkle advertising the fact they might be supplying something to Abeling. It's no skin off their nose, money is money. Now if Abeling really did have something that worked, and they knew about it, they would make no hesitation in advertising the fact that they would be the supplier to this incredible piece of technology. I seriously doubt it that Henkle knows specifics about the supposed technology at all, other than they are working out a quote for supply costs.

i_ron · « **Reply #479 on:** April 12, 2009, 05:58:17 PM »

Quote from: AquariuZ on April 12, 2009, 03:03:53 PM

Currently looking if a weight can be launched by scissoring it betwen a barrier and its holder. Looks like it will...!

Thank you Aquariuz for bringing this device to our attention and caring for the site. I can have more
faith in this invention than a certain recent magnet wheel.

Yes, anyone who has ever tried to cut a round rod with a pair of scissors will have no problem with
understanding the final action that launches the weight to its final outer position. Simplicity its self!

Ron

PS: and thanks for the translation!

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