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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 514493 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #360 on: April 11, 2009, 02:19:57 AM »
I Can do that, but it doesn't work the, otherwise i would be cheering a little harder  ;D

I think it's a bug in WD2D that when you remove the motor the structure falls apart..  So I have to rebuilt them.. That will be not tonight.

You can do it yorself to. Just select and erease everything besides the shapes and rebuilt it. It ain't that many parts.



Please, rebuild these two (KAD9 and KAD10) without a motor. I'm new to this and don't know how to do it. From my perspective to include a motor in these simulations makes no sense. Motor activity should be excluded by presumption in it's entirety and there should be no hidden activities that may suggest that the rotor is driven by a motor in any way. I thought setting torque to zero and zeroing out the velocities and such would be sufficient but obviously it isn't. That's very contradictory but that's how the program works.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #361 on: April 11, 2009, 02:39:11 AM »
I have a different idea as to how this wheel works, so here is a video as to how I think it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7GAUYg_E8&feature=channel_page

Over this weekend I'm going to build a unit and see if my theory is correct.

Great input! Also it is fun to see my snapshots being used for the higher goal...

You may very well be onto something as he clearly states that the weights move in pairs, the path is preset through the system and : while one weight is falling another is being lifted without effort (friction?)

Really looking forward to your ideas, this is what it is all about!!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #362 on: April 11, 2009, 02:40:34 AM »
Please, rebuild these two (KAD9 and KAD10) without a motor. I'm new to this and don't know how to do it. From my perspective to include a motor in these simulations makes no sense. Motor activity should be excluded by presumption in it's entirety and there should be no hidden activities that may suggest that the rotor is driven by a motor in any way. I thought setting torque to zero and zeroing out the velocities and such would be sufficient but obviously it isn't. That's very contradictory but that's how the program works.

The reason i use a motor is that to get the rotational speed to make the difference , you need a start speed.  And with the way i build my model i cannot drop a ball on to the,. I haven't got time now to rebuilt. Maybe tomorrow evening, sorry.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #362 on: April 11, 2009, 02:40:34 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #363 on: April 11, 2009, 09:06:25 AM »
@spinner,

But that’s what Sjack Abeling claims his device is doing.

But you may say again ‘why not?’, if this Dutch institution confirms it has indeed given the permission, the way you said it regarding Henkel. If Henkel’s confirmation isn’t convincing enough to you why should this be? The truth is, nothing can prove the validity of Sjack Abeling’s claim or any other claim for that matter but independent verification by third parties.

Good post, Omnibus. :)

I knew nothing about Bessler's wheels until I looked it up the history very recently. The amazing thing I find is that there was heaps of confirmation by independent parties of its working. How people failed to discover his "secret" over all these years is the real mystery to me.  ???

Sjack's claims dovetail perfectly with the history of Bessler's invention.

I look forward to the fat lady's singing. 8)


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #364 on: April 11, 2009, 09:38:36 AM »
@Grimer,

The communication means during the times of Bessler are incomparable to what we have now, wouldn't you agree? Nowadays such a thing will spread like wildfire if there's anything to it and no one would be able to contain it. In this respect it's interesting to see how people like Abeling are still holding on to the old-fashioned ways such as patents of protecting their rights. Full disclosure and ensuring that it's reproduced by as many people as possible is the best way nowadays to protect your rights for a construction which can hardly contain trade secrets. Do you think the world would ignore the fact that Mylow was the first to demonstrate a perpetuum mobile, had it had any merit to it and innumerable fellows around the world had reproduced it? I don't think so. The permission by whatever Dutch institution is also curious. While it may work for the benefit of the Dutch government in a short term, it will be beyond control in a not so far future if it really is true and no one will ask for their permission.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #365 on: April 11, 2009, 09:49:51 AM »
Hi guys,

I just want to know.

Where is there any theory or proof?

Your efforts are amazing but I cannot figure how 4 people of better than average intellignece can be so illogical. What am i missing?

I am not trying to be negative or sceptical but you surely must have something to hang your hats on.

Talk of rumours of mad inventors machines that worked is pseudo religious.

If we want to take it to that level we should all go to religious books and see what the Gods say about free energy.

Perhaps Noah's ark was powered by rubber band motors or overbalancing wheels since there is no reference to sails.

Guys, please tell me where is there evidence of this project having any, any possibility of success¡

Phil

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #366 on: April 11, 2009, 10:01:31 AM »
@Philip Hardcastle,

I've already answered you. It can be shown that with a proper construction displacement can be induced under the action of a conservative force without the expenditure of energy from a pre-existing energy reservoir. That has already been proven conclusively and what we're doing here is to find out ways to have such displacement occur continuously. This thread has more of a practical side than just discussing over and over again what has already been proven.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #366 on: April 11, 2009, 10:01:31 AM »
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Offline Philip Hardcastle

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #367 on: April 11, 2009, 10:08:17 AM »
@omnibus,

I think you have already said you do not want to go into it.

Show me the conclusive proof.

I am willing to suspend my belief system if you can show me such.

I have a long record of invention and lateral thinking, extensive multi field training and experience so I think I am the sort of person you would want to at least talk to.

Show me something, then if it makes sense I could contribute.

Just give me a link to go read the conclusive proof.

Otherwise I will conclude that you are all smoking something a bit too strong.

Regards Phil

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #368 on: April 11, 2009, 10:26:57 AM »
@Philip Hardcastle,

Can you give an e-mail address where to send a link. I don't want to discuss this further and I'll only send you the link privately because you so insist, so that you can see what I have in mind.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #368 on: April 11, 2009, 10:26:57 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #369 on: April 11, 2009, 10:33:27 AM »
@omnibus

ok

it is on my profile but here is

pjhardcastle@gmail.com

Phil

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #370 on: April 11, 2009, 10:37:12 AM »
@omnibus

ok

it is on my profile but here is

pjhardcastle@gmail.com

Phil

Thanks. Just sent it.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #370 on: April 11, 2009, 10:37:12 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #371 on: April 11, 2009, 10:43:21 AM »
@omni,

got it, thanks.

I will read thrice then return.

Phil

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #372 on: April 11, 2009, 11:48:37 AM »
@omni

Sorry to be blunt, and I know you do not want a debate, but anyone saying that it is proved by that essay is not being rational.

It is not the basis for anything and certainly extracting from it some sense as to support all these efforts is misguided. Mistakes start from the first few paragraphs and are then built upon to form a misdirection of common sense.

A bit like the old story

"A guy is given $10 by each of three ladies to go buy 3 bottles of wine, he buys the wine at $10 a bottle, $30 in all. However the merchant says, sorry I have over charged you, that wine is on special, here is $5 refund.

The guy thinks to himself walking back that splitting $5 is a bit tricky so he decides to give the ladies back a dollar each.

So he gives back each lady a dollar and gives them each a bottle of wine.

So they each paid $9 for a total of $27, and the guy kept $2 so 27 + 2 = $29.

So what happened to the other dollar?"


This is an old nonsense puzzle and so is that CoE violation paper.

I did read the paper twice and started to mark it up but thought, omni is smart enough to see this himself, and if not he maybe sees something I am missing.

I do not believe so, however I respect all your  rights to pursue non scientific ideas and will leave you to do your own thing.

Also I note that despite showing a preparedness to share my ideas they are ignored.

I note that no one comments on RTG or Curled Ballistic.

I guess I do not fit in here, and I do not wish to offend, so I must go and do, instead of talking.

Best wishes to all.


Philip Hardcastle.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #373 on: April 11, 2009, 12:10:55 PM »
There is no solid undeniable proof. If there were the whole world would be in or travelling to Ter Apel to see Abeling right at this moment. A small town trampled like in  "Swing Vote".

There are only hints, clues and many of them.

Things like Chas Campbell's snooker wheel (I also modelled that one, sigh) are easy to disprove, but Abeling, given the above might have something if a whole list of investors and reputable firms want to do business with him. That is the main indication Abeling has something. Adding to that the way he is handling things AND I have spoken to him personally (which may or may not mean anything to anyone) and found that he is rational, calm and not sensationalist leads me personally to believe he has found something.

Let us not forget he told me he did not need money because he has all the funding he needs right now. This should tell you this is not another "standard scam" where e.g. plans are sold or people's money is being taken to reserve a device which will come out in the near future. You all know who I mean.

Now, we can try and reproduce, debate or do nothing and risk losing the invention to corporate.

Take your pick and please fill in the blanks in the claim below.

This new physical theory will explain how to generate energy by rotating two bodies with the same mass/weight. The weight of the bodies together with (.....BLANK...) (intentionally omitted) and the rotational velocity determine the amount of energy that can be generated.

The new physical theory explains the working of the Weight Power Plant ("Gewicht Energie Centrale") developed by Sjack Abeling. In this plant, the mass of the bodies is controlled in such a way that from a complete standstill to a rotation of 180 degrees, 80% more energy is generated than required to propel the system itself. The only source of energy required is the earth's gravity...


BTW I think Dusty maybe onto something with his dumbbell cross or "race car", but I disagree with his theory about the holes being simply trial and error creations. The video did state this was a prototype so who knows. I really hope we (including myself) will not start to lose interest in this fascinating topic and we can nail the concept.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #374 on: April 11, 2009, 12:28:33 PM »
The reason i use a motor is that to get the rotational speed to make the difference , you need a start speed.  And with the way i build my model i cannot drop a ball on to the,. I haven't got time now to rebuilt. Maybe tomorrow evening, sorry.



Nice animations Cherryman

Can you export any of those frames as DXF's from that application?

Cheers

Sean.

 

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