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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 514627 times)

Offline NerzhDishual

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #345 on: April 10, 2009, 10:31:53 PM »
Hi guys,

This D shaped path let me think about these old French patents:

http://freenrg.info/Patents/PMM/FR0543065/FR543065A.pdf
August 1922
Turbine autogène =/= Self running turbine


http://freenrg.info/Patents/PMM/FR0563952/FR563952A.pdf
October 1923
Roue motrice produisant une force gratuite =/=  Moving wheel producing a free force


But, these are just patents...  ;D

Very Best

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #346 on: April 10, 2009, 10:44:17 PM »
I don't care for this motor compared to Mylow's. The reason is that Mylow's motor involved complex interactions between magnets, and it was possible to fantasize that there was something mysterious and unknown to science going on.

But this wheel of Abelings is too easy to visualize. I mean, a ball rolls down a ramp, pulled by gravity, then rolls up the other side of the ramp. It is obvious that the ball will not reach the same height as it started out at because of friction. We've all played with something like this at one time or another.

It just isn't mysterious enough. And Abeling's flimsy-looking wooden gizmo isn't too inspiring either.

If Abeling could work in a few magnets, he might have something, but I don't think this one can go very far, at least not to the 230 message mark that Mylow's is at.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #347 on: April 10, 2009, 11:55:56 PM »
Good luck!  I hope you beat Abeling to his unveiling!

M.

So far I seem to have created a balanced wheel..  8)

Thanks, I appreciate the comments

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #347 on: April 10, 2009, 11:55:56 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #348 on: April 10, 2009, 11:57:53 PM »
It just isn't mysterious enough. And Abeling's flimsy-looking wooden gizmo isn't too inspiring either.

In that case he has fooled many, including me...

But, ofcourse if it were that simple it would have been invented 200 years ago.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #349 on: April 11, 2009, 12:22:36 AM »
Q: Where does the extra energy come from?
A: The weights are applied two by two: one weight is pushing/falling, the other one has to be lifted. Due to the invention of the dual lifting system , the falling/pushing weight will hardly be hindered by the weight that has to be lifted. In the top left of the system the weight is accelerated (like with shot put). The weight is moving faster than the system, and as the system catches the weight it is propelled forward. The path of the weights in the system is determined up front so the weights are always in a fixed position relative to each other and that will reduce the drag of the lifted weight on the falling/pushing weight. The system will start rotating from any position. Extra force is generated in the lower left of the system and on top it is transferred to the system itself, generating the extra energy. If the system would fail to catch the propelled weight, the weight would be ejected from the system with force.

The system starts from any position
Weights are propelled

How?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #350 on: April 11, 2009, 12:42:46 AM »
Seems we keep getting stuck with balance,...

Here a slow one (With motorwarning  ;D )

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #351 on: April 11, 2009, 01:04:40 AM »
@Grimer
Thanks for your explanations!
Although i can't agree with everything you said, i still like your views on inertial mechanics....Hey, Mr. Laithwaite's work... We talked about it once...

Btw, high order derivatives (like the rate of change of acceleration) are just a mathematical description of a physical motion (not an energy source).

It would be interesting what kind of real values for a "rate of change of acceleration" would you be getting, for instance, when calculating an integral of a closed path of a weight in a "gravity wheel"....
I'd say this 3rd derivative would be very small, but still a negative number after completing a full circle.


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I keep looking and reading, but after so many builds, I think I will wait on a video or other proof. Simply put, ramps have always been tried and so far no proof of one working. If Sjack has it patented, why not show the working wheel?
Indeed!


Btw,  Ramps and rolling balls are a recipe for... Ah, never mind.
Let's say they're just not the most optimal combination for a successful gravity wheel.

Anyway, you can check your concepts easily.
True gravity/overbalanced wheel would start from a standstill all by it's own.


@AquariuZ
I was surprised when I read that Henkel answered your e-mail. "Glue attachments challenges"? Why not! And they say it's a serious project...
(quantity of the glue needed?)

I hope you'll get an answer from that other institution, too. (Dutch authority which supposedly gave a permission to build the Abeling Gravity plants)...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #352 on: April 11, 2009, 01:14:27 AM »
I have a different idea as to how this wheel works, so here is a video as to how I think it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7GAUYg_E8&feature=channel_page

Over this weekend I'm going to build a unit and see if my theory is correct.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #353 on: April 11, 2009, 01:23:04 AM »
I have a different idea as to how this wheel works, so here is a video as to how I think it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7GAUYg_E8&feature=channel_page

Over this weekend I'm going to build a unit and see if my theory is correct.



Good thinking about the different slots!

I'm not sure what you mean about the "Skateboard" so looking forward to your built!

This one works with one bar also...  (With motor ) So maybe the Skateboard wil do the trick!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSaKQEn0Wwc&feature=channel_page

Good Luck!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #354 on: April 11, 2009, 01:24:27 AM »
@Cherryman,

Can you remove the motor altogether replacing it by a pin and make sure that there's noting anywhere in the program acting as a motor? I'm talking about your KAD9 as well as KAD10.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #355 on: April 11, 2009, 01:36:52 AM »

Btw, high order derivatives (like the rate of change of acceleration) are just a mathematical description of a physical motion (not an energy source).

Absolutely right. And the isothermal legs and adiabatic legs of the Carnot cycle are also just mathematical descriptions of piston motion and are not in themselves an energy source either. It is the way they are put together that makes them derive energy from the thermal gradient. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to realise that.  ;D

After all, as Harvey has pointed out on Fizzx, there's nothing new about deriving energy from gravity. Tides do it all the time. Think of the Bessler Wheel as a human scale tide. It makes it feel more homely.  ;)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #356 on: April 11, 2009, 01:37:23 AM »
@Cherryman,

Can you remove the motor altogether replacing it by a pin and make sure that there's noting anywhere in the program acting as a motor? I'm talking about your KAD9 as well as KAD10.

I Can do that, but it doesn't work the, otherwise i would be cheering a little harder  ;D

I think it's a bug in WD2D that when you remove the motor the structure falls apart..  So I have to rebuilt them.. That will be not tonight.

You can do it yorself to. Just select and erease everything besides the shapes and rebuilt it. It ain't that many parts.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #357 on: April 11, 2009, 01:57:15 AM »

@AquariuZ
I was surprised when I read that Henkel answered your e-mail. "Glue attachments challenges"? Why not! And they say it's a serious project...
(quantity of the glue needed?)

Glue is used in the manufacture of fibreglass composite. If glued composites are good enough for the wings of the A380 I guess they are good enough for a Bessler Wheel, eh!

Bessler used wood, a natural composite. But I've no doubt he would have used fibre glass if he were building his wheel today. Boat builders also used to use natural composite but have now turned to man made composite.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #358 on: April 11, 2009, 02:04:36 AM »
@canam101,

I don't care for this motor compared to Mylow's. The reason is that Mylow's motor involved complex interactions between magnets, and it was possible to fantasize that there was something mysterious and unknown to science going on.

Mylow’s and any other magnet motor for that matter doesn’t differ in its basic principle from a gravity motor because ultimately it’s a contraption which defies the commonly held belief that conservative forces cannot be harnessed through a proper construction to cause displacement for which no energy from a pre-existing energy reservoir is spent. This is what’s unrecognized rather than unknown, in science. A gravity motor, such as the one allegedly constructed by Sjack Abeling is in many respects more interesting in common conditions than a magnet motor because of the ubiquitous gravity. Of course, a magnetic motor is more independent and can work also under conditions of no gravity, in space, say.

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But this wheel of Abelings is too easy to visualize. I mean, a ball rolls down a ramp, pulled by gravity, then rolls up the other side of the ramp. It is obvious that the ball will not reach the same height as it started out at because of friction. We've all played with something like this at one time or another.

It just isn't mysterious enough. And Abeling's flimsy-looking wooden gizmo isn't too inspiring either.

If Abeling could work in a few magnets, he might have something, but I don't think this one can go very far, at least not to the 230 message mark that Mylow's is at.

We’ve all played with a ball, as you describe it. However, we’ve never played with a contraption whereby the ball you’re talking about will be assisted by another ball to reach the same height as it started out and overcome friction, the same way that other ball will be assisted by still another ball and so on and so forth, all that due to a certain very specific construction of a device. We’ve never played with such a thing and Sjack Abeling not only claims he has it but he says he’s turning it into an industry. That’s no joke, if true, and Mylow’s, also if true, pales in comparison, at present.

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« Reply #359 on: April 11, 2009, 02:14:12 AM »
@spinner,

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Anyway, you can check your concepts easily.
True gravity/overbalanced wheel would start from a standstill all by it's own.

But that’s what Sjack Abeling claims his device is doing.

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I hope you'll get an answer from that other institution, too. (Dutch authority which supposedly gave a permission to build the Abeling Gravity plants)...

But you may say again ‘why not?’, if this Dutch institution confirms it has indeed given the permission, the way you said it regarding Henkel. If Henkel’s confirmation isn’t convincing enough to you why should this be? The truth is, nothing can prove the validity of Sjack Abeling’s claim or any other claim for that matter but independent verification by third parties.

 

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