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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 514380 times)

Offline Grimer

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #240 on: April 09, 2009, 05:54:07 PM »
Here the snapshot again with adjusted lighting.

You can clearly see the two barriers or stoppers located between the wheel layer and the stand.

This leads me to believe that the weights are indeed extended axle dumbbells.

This also makes me think I have figured out the concept.

Time will tell!

PS: There is a very good reason why Abeling did not want the device filmed from the front near the axle area because you would clearly see the stoppers...

Sorry Sjack, but do not worry you will still get all the credit and be rich & alive.  8)


Excellent deduction of what's going on from those crappy photos. It looks even simpler in principle than I thought. Second and third derivative - higher derivatives don't seem to be needed. Same derivatives as the Mylow Motor - Well that figures, eh!

Top marks for working it out, AquariuZ, or should I call you Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.  ;)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2009, 05:54:09 PM »
tell them who you are and why you are interested.

Who are you and why are you interested in me telling them who I am?

 ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #242 on: April 09, 2009, 05:59:53 PM »
Top marks for working it out, AquariuZ, or should I call you Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.  ;)

Thanks but I have not uncorked the bubblie yet...

I have been working for almost three hours straight now on a single polygon with all the captures I could make of the inner boot-shape to match almost 100% the curves. I will even make the "second type just to make sure I use the right one. What a pain but it is getting along...

It is clear that in the model the weight itself will touch the barrier and not its axle, but that is something I will have to accept for now.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #242 on: April 09, 2009, 05:59:53 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #243 on: April 09, 2009, 06:08:02 PM »
Who are you and why are you interested in me telling them who I am?

 ;D

Who am I? A man from the west who has been following a star across the desert for 40 years. When I see a handle which begins with alpha and ends with omega what else should I think but that perhaps I have met a fellow traveller on the same journey. As to specifics, that is no secret. Just google "Frank Grimer" or "Francis Joseph Grimer". 8)

And now I've told you who I am perhaps you can tell me who you are. You can use the private message facility if you're shy, or afraid the MIB will get you (they probably know all about you anyway  ::) )

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #244 on: April 09, 2009, 06:22:26 PM »
Hi AquariuZ,

If you want a decent, very easy to learn, application to create plans (or any 2d/3d model) please use Google Sketchup.
http://sketchup.google.com/
I love this one.
You will need 30+ mins to learn basic techniques. (tutorials are built in)
Seeing is believing.

regards,

Tracker

Omnibus called him yesterday I believe (page 17?)

And I don't think Sjack is watching, even though I have invited him to the forum.

I really think I have cracked it. If the model results are anywhere near what I expect I am building a mini wheel and will make some form of blueprints to share with you.

Hopefully by that time harti can help if I send the wm2d model because I have no decent software to create plans.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #245 on: April 09, 2009, 06:39:23 PM »
Who am I? A man from the west who has been following a star across the desert for 40 years. When I see a handle which begins with alpha and ends with omega what else should I think but that perhaps I have met a fellow traveller on the same journey. As to specifics, that is no secret. Just google "Frank Grimer" or "Francis Joseph Grimer". 8)

And now I've told you who I am perhaps you can tell me who you are. You can use the private message facility if you're shy, or afraid the MIB will get you (they probably know all about you anyway  ::) )

My comment was directed @ lostcauses10x who asked me to tell them who I am.

But thanks for sharing.   ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #246 on: April 09, 2009, 06:41:12 PM »
Hi AquariuZ,

If you want a decent, very easy to learn, application to create plans (or any 2d/3d model) please use Google Sketchup.
http://sketchup.google.com/
I love this one.
You will need 30+ mins to learn basic techniques. (tutorials are built in)
Seeing is believing.

regards,

Tracker


Wow  :o

Thank you sir

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #247 on: April 09, 2009, 07:29:09 PM »
My comment was directed @ lostcauses10x who asked me to tell them who I am.

But thanks for sharing.   ;D

LOL. I should remember to read the quotes before answering.  ::)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #248 on: April 09, 2009, 07:40:56 PM »
Hi AquariuZ,

If you want a decent, very easy to learn, application to create plans (or any 2d/3d model) please use Google Sketchup.
http://sketchup.google.com/
I love this one.
You will need 30+ mins to learn basic techniques. (tutorials are built in)
Seeing is believing.

regards,

Tracker



And sketchy has a physics plug in http://code.google.com/p/sketchyphysics2/

And Blender is a free gane physics engine that is pretty good  http://www.blender.org/

Heres some examples   http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=sketchyphysics&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

                                   http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=blender+physics&search_sort=video_view_count

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #248 on: April 09, 2009, 07:40:56 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #249 on: April 09, 2009, 07:49:23 PM »
I've considered from the start that the different slot profiles may have been due to trail and error testing.  The video shows what we believe to be prototype wheel(s).  They are roughly made so I think Abeling might have been trying things out.  He might have change the shape of only one slot to see how it performed.  So there could be 16 variations.  Or he might have tried pairs or multiples of pairs of slot profiles.  I think we might be seeing a wheel where half the slots are of one profile attempt and the other half is a second for evaluation purposes.  But I suppose the production machine would use all identical optimum profiles.

Again, just guesses.

M.

mondrasek,

I think the slots are deliberately asymmetric...

"The weights are applied two by two: one weight is pushing/falling, the other one has to be lifted."

This is the key.

Ron
 



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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #250 on: April 09, 2009, 08:40:32 PM »
mondrasek,

I think the slots are deliberately asymmetric...

"The weights are applied two by two: one weight is pushing/falling, the other one has to be lifted."

This is the key.

Ron

I believe that opposite slots must be identical.  The falling weight referred to is in the slot between 12 and 6.  The lifted one is at 180 degrees, on the 6 to 12 side.

In any one of these types of wheels they should be able to be made with just one pair of weights.  There must be a torque sum from just one pair:  the falling of one weight produces more torque than it takes to raise the other.  Then you add more pairs to increase the torque.  In a non running design where you have two weights and no output torque, adding more weight pairs further decreases the ability of that system to run e. g. rundown tests will be even slower with more pairs.

So it would be possible to test the design with just two identical slots 180 degrees apart and compare that to the output of another pair and so on, by running only one pair at a time and taking measurements.  The wheels in the video could show up to 8 different pairs of test designs looking for which slot profile provides the most output torque.

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #251 on: April 09, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »
Update:


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #252 on: April 10, 2009, 12:10:11 AM »
Food for thought attached.

M.

Hi Mondrasek,
without the motor driving the wheel,
this design is not selfrunning.

Here is a screenshot.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #253 on: April 10, 2009, 12:11:39 AM »
@ guys

Guys,

Newton Cradle is out
The wm2d model is by Cherryman I have used a snapshot to show the path via overlay.

I am making my own right now.

Update: Henkel is now asking ME questions  :o

Who am I?
Why am I interested in this project?



Hi AquariuZ,
Please send them the exact URL for this thread, so they can have a look at this.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #254 on: April 10, 2009, 12:21:56 AM »
Hmm intresting..

I haven't got time now..  So i give you guys some files to play with...  There are still some barriers left.

Maybe a stupid question, but should we consider the rotation of the earth?  Because a water whirl always wants to go in the same direction, maybe this can influence this as well...  (Not in the software, but IRL )  It might be of any influence to put it in a certain compass direction line-up.

Anyway here are the files.



Hi Cherryman,
the KAD7 file was only this.

Did you forget to post the file with the track-guides for the balls ?

By the way, what should the name KAD stand for ?
Did I miss this ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

 

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