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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 726339 times)

Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #210 on: April 09, 2009, 02:41:05 AM »
When i look at the pictures from the movie, t seems that his "curve" is made out of two peaces with a gap between them, the only reason for that gap i can think of is that the upper "curve" can move......  flip, turn .. or something...


I just slapped my forehead again....

Hint: Look at the kidney shaped piece of wood just above the "cradle" in the last picture...

Hint 2: what if the weights extend PAST the sockets out to the sides or at least have an extension bar which sticks out the side

That would mean they stay on the wheel until they start to fall out of the socket at 2100, roll down and to the right at 21:30 and hit the kidney at around 22:00, being pulled ever further upwards (yes because there are more weights pulling down on the right than on the left) and being led into the socket at 12:00 again...

Please note the extended dumbbells on the front view of a weight resting in its socket

More tomorrow, my wheel is @ 02:40am

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #211 on: April 09, 2009, 02:41:58 AM »
Here is the video file I made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-lKoQAx02A

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #212 on: April 09, 2009, 02:43:03 AM »
Stefan, Maybe three is too little, or the curve is not perfect yet...

Keep on trying! 

As far as youre way to start it. Its one solution, i myself use the motor function to start it up with any desired speed for just half a second and let it then run free.

To do that:

- Select the motor
- Dubbelclick it
- In the bottom of the properties pop-up de-select "always on"
- In the empty field put in " T<0.5" 

This way when you start it , you will have a have second push to the speed you desire and after that it will run free as well.

It gives you a little more control over the push and easier to try out different speeds..



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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #213 on: April 09, 2009, 02:58:07 AM »
Hi Cherryman,
the problem with your motor model was, that the weight of the disc and
the round tracks was more than 2000 KGs all together,
so it had just too much inertial energy.

I just set it to all in all about 10 Kg only and then the discs slows down,
after the motor goes off after 0.5 seconds and comes to a stillstand
as well.
So please watch your weights in the properties box.
These were set wrongly.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #214 on: April 09, 2009, 03:04:21 AM »
Hi Cherryman,
the problem with your motor model was, that the weight of the disc and
the round tracks was more than 2000 KGs all together,
so it had just too much inertial energy.

I just set it to all in all about 10 Kg only and then the discs slows down,
after the motor goes off after 0.5 seconds and comes to a stillstand
as well.
So please watch your weights in the properties box.
These were set wrongly.

Regards, Stefan.


Aha, well then i have to study that carefully, because i usually do not change the weight, just use standard and set the balls to steel... 

Tnx! 

I'm still learning the program, i did not think the motor did still have any influence after the 0.5 sec. 

Tnx for the tip!   And i have to go back to the drawing board...  and the manual   ;D



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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #215 on: April 09, 2009, 03:14:41 AM »
Found it. No shifting stands, the wheel is as is.

Protruding weight gets stopped by the barrier at 6 o clock and starts moving away from the side of the wheel until it meets the end of the curved barrier. Weight then moves past the barrier and remains balanced at around nine o clock. Past nine o clock it starts moving right towards the center but meets a second barrier, this time from the outside. This is the "kidney" barrier". It then continues to move as the wheel rotates  along the edge of the "kidney" in a diagonal line towards one o clock until it reaches the end of the second barrier and falls into place into its socket again at which point the weight is at around the 12:30 position and the cycle continues.

No kinetics.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #216 on: April 09, 2009, 03:15:58 AM »
@ AquariuZ
@ Cherryman
@ hartiberlin

I have been following this thread and have become more and more intrigued, especially when you start discussing the transfer of energy and momentum between different sized masses.

It reminded me of a paper I wrote when working as a Principal Scientific Officer in the Department of the Environment, UK.

The eight pages which you might find relevant to your analysis are as follows:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage04.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage05.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage06.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage07.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage08.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage09.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage10.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/IHMpage11.jpg

I have them as .jpegs because the symbols are quite complicated and are from a non-standard font.

Let me say that most people would regard attempting a Gravity Wheel, a classic perpetual motion machine, as absolutely crazy or a total scam.

Obviously I don't, for the reasons set out in the above pages.

Good luck. You seem to be getting your heads around the problem.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #217 on: April 09, 2009, 03:23:35 AM »
TNX Grimer, but i'm afraid that goes above my head  :o

@ AquariuZ.  Does the weight stop at 0900 or just moves on?

Because what you describe looks a bit like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSaKQEn0Wwc&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBygA2vOHx4&feature=channel_page

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #218 on: April 09, 2009, 03:40:02 AM »
Now i really go to bed, but my latest test seams promissing..  And I'm curious about Aquariuz path.

Goodnight all.. The story continues.......   ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #219 on: April 09, 2009, 05:26:12 AM »
TNX Grimer, but I'm afraid that goes above my head  :o


Don't worry about it.

It's not the maths that the difficulty. It's the conceptual change involved.

I'll try and get my head round what you chaps are doing and explain the implications in terms you should understand.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #220 on: April 09, 2009, 05:32:05 AM »
Could'nt sleep..   :o

So here is an action shot of the K.A.D. :

 




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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #221 on: April 09, 2009, 05:58:53 AM »
Test 5

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #222 on: April 09, 2009, 09:17:28 AM »
Couldn't sleep..   :o

So here is an action shot of the K.A.D. :

I'm not surprised you couldn't sleep.

Great diagrams. Virtually self explanatory.

One's got the third derivative (rate of change of acceleration d3x/dt3) on the up side and some higher derivative (dn>3x/dtn>3) on the down side.

Couldn't be better. In fact it's essentially the same as Mylow is getting with his motor except that here the gravitation potential gradient is being mined whereas in his case it was the magnetic potential gradient.

In Mylow's case it was the second and third derivative which was giving the legs of the power cycle. In this case it is the third and higher derivatives.

« Last Edit: April 09, 2009, 09:46:31 AM by Grimer »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #223 on: April 09, 2009, 12:01:02 PM »
Cherryman,
nice new design.
Could you please again post the WM2D file ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Offline Philip Hardcastle

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #224 on: April 09, 2009, 12:03:11 PM »
Sorry Guys,

You seem to be feverish about this, but I see nothing to get excited about.

No source of energy coming in simply guarantees that it will not (cannot) generate power.

Self explanatory, of what?

Phil