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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 823455 times)

Alexioco

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #180 on: April 09, 2009, 12:00:26 AM »
Now that is a very clever idea, i am impressed, that seems like it should work at the moment  :o well done :)

edit: just thought, what will lift the second from top weight up?


Alex

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #181 on: April 09, 2009, 12:02:48 AM »
Found this one on the WM2D website, it might help you. 


Could you in the meantime explane the "beam" idear that would regulate them? 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2009, 12:04:16 AM »
Good tip AquariuZ, I tried the steel and that works better, but i'm still curious about the moving beams.

Also, if you want to do this with dumbbells, you will have to have a super exact outline to let both sides collapse at the same time... 



It all fits... It is workshop time unless I figure out how to make wm2d behave...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2009, 12:05:12 AM »
It all fits... It is workshop time unless I figure out how to make wm2d behave...

See the attached file with my previous post.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2009, 12:07:12 AM »
edit: just thought, what will lift the second from top weight up?

The next weight in line. They will all change position in the "cradle".

Top becomes first in 12:30 socket, second becomes top and so on

I like that word: cradle.

Abelings Cradle

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2009, 12:09:17 AM »
The next weight in line. They will all change position in the "cradle".

Top becomes first in 12:30 socket, second becomes top and so on

I like that word: cradle.

Abelings Cradle

Good name! Ah well what's in a name  ;D

Could you post a drawing, i'm still curious about the setup. 

Alexioco

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2009, 12:11:54 AM »
Thats great thinking AquariuZ, So the end force of the falling weight pushes the next one off the edge and lifting the second one ready to be pushed off the edge, will the falling weight gather enough force to do that though, also, what keeps the bottom weight from sliding back due to the force of the above weights? Dont forget on newtons cradle, when one sphre is swung, only one lifts, two must swing, to lift two...

Keep it up, seems really good

Alex

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2009, 12:12:12 AM »
Found this one on the WM2D website, it might help you. 


Could you in the meantime explane the "beam" idear that would regulate them? 

So it is possible then, I need to check the specs in that model thanks.

I will try to explain, imagine the boot coming in at 18:00 with weight #9 lodged in the socket (same on the other side or the mirror). The weights are held together via a bar, hence dumbbell. The bar touches the center barrier and weight #9 is dislodged into the heel of the socket (same on the mirror side). The momentum pushes the bar along the barrier in an upwards motion until #9 makes contact with #10.

There is something holding the other weights in place in the cradle, but that should be easily found what that is once the concept is explored in full.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2009, 12:13:29 AM »
If you have a look at Newton's cradle you will notice that only the first and the last ball move, the others stay where they are. In order to get motion of the wheel you must move the entire stack. This a Newton's cradle effect cannot do.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2009, 12:25:52 AM »
If you have a look at Newton's cradle you will notice that only the first and the last ball move, the others stay where they are. In order to get motion of the wheel you must move the entire stack. This a Newton's cradle effect cannot do.

Hans von Lieven

You are right, now what do you think those holes in the wheels are for between the sockets on the wheel.

WHAT IF THEY ARE HOLDERS SOMEHOW FOR "PEGS" PUSHING THE STACK

I´m almost sure it is a Newtons cradle, just not sure at this point how the stack is kept in place and displaced. One thing I can think of is that once the top one is catapulted away into position, the gap created on the top is filled with the second one when the whole stack moves up a notch.

Just do not know how, but I feel the holes in wheel itself between the "boots" are a factor.

I am looking at Alex´s picture and trying to figure it out

AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2009, 12:31:40 AM »
Dont know if this helps but I have studied the youtube video (the one without the subtitles) so I could see as much of the wheel as I could, I have drawn out the wheels frame work, you can check it with the video to make sure I havnt got somthing wrong but as far as I can see, it seems right...

This should the the HQ version of that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSFjfWy1h4&fmt=18

Can you please check and see if you notice something else or anything you wish to alter to the picture?

One thing I wish to mention is that there are two types of sockets.

TYPE 1 looks like a tight fit with a toe and heel
TYPE 2 looks more open like wooden shoe "Klomp"

TYPE I:
Slots 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 & 15

TYPE II:
Slots 2,4,6,8,10,12,14 & 16

I´ll be damned if I know why...
« Last Edit: April 09, 2009, 12:35:58 AM by Alexioco »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2009, 12:32:27 AM »
You are right, now what do you think those holes in the wheels are for between the sockets on the wheel.

WHAT IF THEY ARE HOLDERS SOMEHOW FOR "PEGS" PUSHING THE STACK

I´m almost sure it is a Newtons cradle, just not sure at this point how the stack is kept in place and displaced. One thing I can think of is that once the top one is catapulted away into position, the gap created on the top is filled with the second one when the whole stack moves up a notch.

Just do not know how, but I feel the holes in wheel itself between the "boots" are a factor.

I am looking at Alex´s picture and trying to figure it out


Maybe if the "D" shape was longer, but not higher, so that alot more weights are pushing down to lift the stak up causing one t roll down thus lifting the stack again, I think this a really good idea you came up  with

Alex

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2009, 12:36:31 AM »
On the footage, the is a straight piece of wood the runs diaganol along the wheel, I dont know what thats for, unless its just to support the wheel, so I have left that out for now.

Edit: Ok, I noticed something that needed changing, i shall continue to look at it, it seems now that its exactly the same, i cant see any difference now, but i will have another look just incase.


Alex

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2009, 12:51:03 AM »
Wellknown Air Vane Motors - even when ball bearings installed on the top of vanes - no way it runs self ...
sad,
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2009, 12:51:42 AM »
You are right, now what do you think those holes in the wheels are for between the sockets on the wheel.

WHAT IF THEY ARE HOLDERS SOMEHOW FOR "PEGS" PUSHING THE STACK



Pushing the stack with what? You have already expended any potential energy that was there on your Newton's cradle effect. That part is easy, it is also the part that requires the least energy. Moving the stack takes many times the energy required to bounce one ball. Where is that coming from?

The guy is another Chas Campbell.

Hans von Lieven