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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 549421 times)

Offline Low-Q

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2370 on: November 22, 2018, 06:23:48 PM »
Chet, do you mean that guy inside those large wooden wheels, that he put big tubes through?
That wheel is busted btw. I did calculations on buoyancy difference and the pressure difference between front and rear of the tubes. The area is greater on the front than the rear side. This difference corresponds to the angle between the wheels. The same angle is resposible for the buoyancy difference, so the net sum of forces is zero, because those two forces, pressure- and buoyancy difference is exactly the same, but in opposing directions.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2371 on: March 17, 2019, 02:01:53 AM »
A tribute to Cloxxki

Thank you for supporting  the old fellow at the other forum ,I believe he is a member here under a different name [ has a Tesla car in the UK ?] A nice fellow who deserved better.very hard to make sense of that place ... and what they are actually trying to accomplish .
Sorry for the off topic here but Cloxxki made an exceptional statement for "doing the right thing".

 respectfully  Chet K 
 PS to Vidar yes that s the one ,the Dutchman's tech.... its getting warm here now and that device is on the menu to play with ,TinMan found
promising results in his investigation .I will add the Device link here when I find it.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2372 on: May 12, 2019, 10:59:53 PM »
Still alive, Abelings gravity wheel:
http://www.mooieenergie.nl/en/


Quote
POSTED ON 9 APRIL 2019
Newsletter April 2019
Dear reader,

Our products are now protected by patents. This enables us to delve a bit deeper into the question that everyone asks us: “How does the system work!?”


Balance
Let’s start our explanation with a familiar construction everyone knows: A scale. If there are equal weights on a scale, on arms that are equally spaced and with the exact same length, then there will be a perfect balance: Nothing moves.

Now suppose our scales could make a full rotation instead of moving up and down like a seesaw. It now no longer matters whether there are two, three or more arms with weights on the scale: Position the arms at the same distance, with the same length and the same weights, and there will again be balance (no movement).

Imbalance
If one of the arms is shortened (its weight gets closer to the center of rotation), an imbalance will occur. The remaining weights will move down because they are less affected by the movement resistance of the repositioned weight. The longest arm(s) move downwards to find a new balance. During the rotation the centrifugal force has an unfavorable influence on the movement technique.

The AirGravityMill (AGM) called “The Optimist”

With the movement techniques used in the AGM (the invention), the effect in basically the same as the operation of the described rotating scales. In the AGM, however, the imbalance is not caused by shifting a weight towards the center of rotation (shorter arm), but by shifting the force at the push-off points.

Those points in the AGM are alternately used to:

Let the weight push itself off
To receive the power of the weight
At one stationary moment of the weight allow the AGM to temporarily push-off (accelerate)
To let the force of the weight jump over a very large distance to another push-off point (removal of resistance).
The resistance on the ascending side with one or more “working weights” is so low that the forces on the descending side are always extremely dominant in the AGM. In addition, the centrifugal force has no negative influences on the applied movement technique during rotation.

Most of the external energy used to keep the system running is preserved (law of conservation of energy) and contributes to the overall yield. Almost all kinetic energy generated in the AGM (free fall with quadratic acceleration of the working weight) can therefore be used to drive a secondary system such as a generator, water pump etc.

Safety
We understand that this explanation is still very brief and that without sketches and the necessary details you will not be able to start building your own AirGravityMill. And that is fine: Building an AGM requires more than understanding a basic principle. An AGM is a complex machine with enormous weights that generate extreme forces. All of this must be strictly controlled to make sure that safety is never compromised.

Our priority is to provide a safe, durable, practical and cost-effective system. We invest all our time, energy and resources to achieve this. We will keep you posted on the progress!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2372 on: May 12, 2019, 10:59:53 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2373 on: May 17, 2019, 09:56:57 AM »
Well done a_user.


I check Mooie from time to time but you got there before me this time.  ;)


One thing for sure. Assuming that the device works and is not one huge
scam, it isn't harvesting Newtonian Gravity (NG) but Ersatz Gravity (EG)
or centrifugal force as my critics prefer to call it.


NG potential is constant with NG height so no gain there.
EG however is not constant with EG "height" (distance from the centre
of rotation) and so there will be energy gain from the difference in
EG potential as one mass goes "down" in EG space and an equal mass
moves "up" in EG space.


The trick is in using conservative NG as a catalyst to reset EG.
Think of NG as the magnetic field in a simple electric motor
and EG as the current.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2374 on: May 28, 2019, 06:45:40 AM »
Another way of looking at it is to think in terms of weight.


Newtonian Gravity (NG) weight doesn't change with height. As a mass is lifted from 2ft to 4ft, say, it weighs the same at 2ft as at 4ft.


But for a space station passenger rotating round on the inside of his space station as depicted in that  film 2001: A Space Odyssey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJQ5UrAsIY a mass "weighs" less
at 4ft than at 2ft and the "weight" keeps on decreasing as the mass is lifted towards the centre of the space station. At the centre it is weightless.


NG does not change significantly with height. EG (ersatz Gravity) does and it is this
change that Abeling must be employing, assuming that his claim is genuine and not a scam.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2375 on: July 01, 2019, 06:55:49 AM »
Much more promising....


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2376 on: July 01, 2019, 08:22:41 AM »
Should be easy to actually make a working prototype by you...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2377 on: July 17, 2019, 11:31:30 PM »

Conventional physics shows that we cannot move a weight around a wheel and gain energy from gravity. 
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And conventional physics is absolutely right. We cannot move a weight around a wheel and gain
energy from Newtonian Gravity. This is because Newtonian gravity does not vary significantly
over the distances involved in conventional gravity wheels.


However, we can move a weight around a wheel and gain energy from Ersatz gravity,
i.e. centrifugal/centripetal gravity, space station gravity as depicted in the film 2001.
This is because Ersatz gravity does vary enormously between the perimeter and
the centre of a wheel.


This is where Abeling must be getting his energy from although he doesn't seem to realise this.








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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2378 on: July 17, 2019, 11:42:50 PM »
"ersatz" is German , meaning 'replacement'. Gravity is a force which acts exactly like any other force. Centripetal force is NOT real; centrifugal force IS real.
(Sjack should be Sjaak)  does not have anything OU.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2379 on: July 18, 2019, 08:47:28 AM »
"ersatz" is German , meaning 'replacement'. Gravity is a force which acts exactly like any other force. Centripetal force is NOT real; centrifugal force IS real.
(Sjack should be Sjaak)  does not have anything OU.


[/font]STATEMENT FROM SJACK ABELING:Beste lezers,

Uit de reakties van vele bezoekers van onze site blijkt dat u zich grote zorgen maakt dat de uitvinding die wij hebben gedaan en alle kennis die inmiddels is vergaard zal verdwijnen door bijvoorbeeld overname, omkoping of machtsmisbruik van de diverse industrieën of landen.

Meer informatie verstrekken?
We krijgen de vraag om meer gedetailleerde informatie te verstrekken, dit als "beveiliging" zodat ook in de meest fantasierijke scenario's de uitvinding behouden blijft. Maar het delen van informatie over een dergelijk revolutionair systeem leidt voor ons uiteindelijk alleen maar tot enorme problemen.

Doelstelling
Wees gerust: niets zal ons er toe kunnen verleiden om het door ons ontwikkelde systeem te laten verdwijnen. We zijn er namelijk van overtuigd dat ons systeem de mogelijkheid heeft om het energie probleem van onze planeet en onze kinderen op verantwoorde wijze op te lossen. Onze doelstelling is daarom duidelijk: uiteindelijk zullen we onze uitvinding inzetten om energie te produceren!

Samenwerking?
We werken er hard aan om binnen drie jaar een commercieel verantwoord systeem of product te produceren. Dat kunnen we niet alleen, maar Mooie Energie zal alléén samenwerken en overeenkomsten aangaan met bedrijven die hetzelfde uitgangspunt hebben!

Sjack Abeling
TRANSLATION:
Newsletter May 27, 2009

Dear readers,

The reactions of many visitors to our site indicates that you are very worried that the invention which we have done and all knowledge that has been collected for example, will disappear over corruption or abuse of the various industries or countries.

We have the demand for more detailed information, as a "security" so that even in the most imaginative scenarios the invention is preserved. But the sharing of information on such a revolutionary system in the end only leads to enormous problems.

Objective
Do not worry: noone will be able to seduce us for the system developed by us to disappear. We are convinced that our system has the possibility of solving the energy problem of our planet and our children in a responsible manner. Our objective is clear: ultimately, we will use our invention to produce energy!

Cooperation?
We work hard to within three years make a commercialy sound system and product to produce.  We cannot do that alone but Mooie energie will only cooperate and enter into agreements with companies that have the same vision!

Sjack Abeling
It looks like our little "campaign" brought a reaction. Still not the one we all hoped (disclosure). Thanks all, you know who you are...And let me be blunt: WHAT IF SOMEONE DECIDES YOU NEED TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT SJACK? Think about it. You can call all of us crazy but you must take into account the numerous deaths of inventors like Stanley Meyer & Jan Sloot in the last 30 years. Even though this is the Netherlands.AZ
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2380 on: July 18, 2019, 02:22:51 PM »
So where is the overwhelmingly conclusive demonstration?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2381 on: July 20, 2019, 11:54:39 AM »
Ignore the new clone of @alsetalokin with the new handle @BAR. Don't be gullible. These @Tinsel Koala's of the world are paid (maybe not only monetarily but in various other ways) to act in these "innovative" ways of fighting for the party line, so that the rest of the incredible nasty nonsense going on in science, massively misappropriating billions of dollars in public funds, is well protected. Obviously, the powers that be, elaborately stealing from the public billions of dollars under the pretence of doing "proper science", have found out that in the age of internet that's one way to fight what they perceive as the wide-eyed garage-geniuses who, God knows, may suddenly stand in their way if something not under their control pops up in their basements and home workshops.   


Well said Omnibus. Sjack started off in his garage. There's something in this thread relating to
springs which has clicked with my own research. I'm busy going through all 159 posts in
order to find where I read it. Coming across your post I had to stop and congratulate you.  :)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2382 on: July 20, 2019, 12:02:05 PM »
Just thinking out loud: If Abeling is using springs where would he put them?
Where indeed!  8)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2383 on: July 20, 2019, 12:12:08 PM »
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The people who should get their heads out of their arses are the ones who think they can get away with a patent on an overunity device.

Anyone who is not willing to share an invention which will profoundly further mankind is either too dumb to realise he or she will bathe in riches regardless of patent or money for selling or not because the CREDIT will be linked to them, are too greedy or simply have nothing to show and are looking for attention.

Bessler falls into the second category.

Genius or not, Bessler was a greedy bastard and I do blame him for not disclosing his invention.
Completely agree with you. I'm sure he went to hell.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2384 on: July 20, 2019, 01:37:58 PM »
(Edited, I added some explanations)

OK, I suck at this:

Weights connected by pull-spring. Neutral when weights are at minimal distance. May not even engage until some distance has been established, offering the outer weight a wider trajectory.
Aweful sketch, lacking a scanner to do a horrible one.

Over unity or not, does this use stored centrifugal forced for vertical acceleration?

Obviously, in such a setup, you'll want the weights to roll even so smoothly over the inner and other faces of the wheel, and it's neighbouring ramps. Perhaps the outer weight must engage both the outer wheel and outer ramp with a smooth running bearing rather than rolling right over it, and during its sling it will not gather rotation proportion to its "air speed". Landing on the underside of the wheel without a bearing in between, would cause rotational friction. The inner weight could be a rolling wheel, its outer force should keep it rolling along neatly, if not at varying velocity. I think its diameter as interacting with wheel and ramp should not be too small, for both contant speed friction and preventing slippage during the velocity changes.

In my sketch, without the guiding sleeves in the wheel for the weight, you'll see an abrubt bend onto the ramp for the inner weight.
Restricting its leftward should nett it (in a frictionlessworld) to travel vertically to just as high as it started. In a real world, it would not make it.
BUT, the outer weight swinging a wider trajectoy, from a partially loading spring, will be decellating as well, but not without lengthening (charging) the spring. When the transitions are done right, the outweight will also in the perfect world now have enough to make it back all the way up. But, the spring is not contracting again, causing the two weights to be attracted to each other faster than their restricted sloped collision trajectories, resulting in additional upward energy to become available to both.

I have not yet figured out whether, if this at would work, we'd want the weights to swap places now. This would not only make the guidance more complicated, but also might created some counter effective vectors.
If I'm not mistaken, the outer weight is as I sketched now always travelling faster than the inner weight.

Now I didn't read the patent too thoroughly, and as said before I have seen zero youtube vids or simulation, but I think that although Abeling did not specify the relationship between the weights, my sketch seems to be in line with his statements.

Please debunk me now, it's 1:57AM.

Thanks,
At last - I've found what I was looking for. A pair of weights connected by a spring.
Well done Cloxxki.


Executive summary:


Two weights following each other around a circular path under Newtonian gravity will extend the spring on the going down side and compress the spring on the going up side.


In effect the spring is the working fluid and you have a compression expansion cycle.


The rest is engineering.  ;D


 

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