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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 499842 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2325 on: January 25, 2011, 05:24:39 PM »
If someone would apply the non-scientific approach of asking to first see a working device in order to understand that a principle it is based on works then that someone should first ask the Tokamak guys to present a working Tokamak before waiting for new billions of dollars for their project to pour in.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2326 on: January 25, 2011, 05:28:40 PM »
Dsimanek site proves nothing else but the fact that he is an opportunist who doesn't quite understand scientific reasoning let alone how to make a working device. His lack of talents and understanding can serve as no proof for whether or not a principle is workable.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2327 on: January 25, 2011, 05:38:03 PM »
Dsimanek site proves nothing else but the fact that he is an opportunist who doesn't quite understand scientific reasoning let alone how to make a working device. His lack of talents and understanding can serve as no proof for whether or not a principle is workable.

opportunist? You mean he is making money on his site? I didn't know that.

Scientific reasoning trumps building a unworkable device that doesn't work.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2327 on: January 25, 2011, 05:38:03 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2328 on: January 25, 2011, 05:41:35 PM »
Dsimanek site proves nothing else but the fact that he is an opportunist who doesn't quite understand scientific reasoning let alone how to make a working device. His lack of talents and understanding can serve as no proof for whether or not a principle is workable.

This is silly. Anyone who understands what is on prof. Symanek site, can also understand that you're talking nonsense.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2329 on: January 25, 2011, 05:44:58 PM »
Indeed, scientific reasoning trumps showing a device that doesn't work. When scientific reasoning proves that the principle is workable, as in the case at hand, presenting an unworkable device doesn't overthrow that scientific reasoning.

As far as making money on that you should know better.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2330 on: January 25, 2011, 05:46:48 PM »
Anyone who understands what's on the dsimanek site should know better not to conclude that the scientific principle at the basis of these devices is unworkable. That site is just a compilation of something an opportunist such as dsimanek fails to understand and that's only a demonstrqtion of his misunderstanding of the matter at hand.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2331 on: January 25, 2011, 05:51:02 PM »
The confusion of someone such as dsimanek should never be used as an argument in scientific reasoning.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2332 on: January 25, 2011, 05:59:45 PM »
Anyone who understands what's on the dsimanek site should know better not to conclude that the scientific principle at the basis of these devices is unworkable. That site is just a compilation of something an opportunist such as dsimanek fails to understand and that's only a demonstrqtion of his misunderstanding of the matter at hand.
you're being far too vague and general. select one device out of the collection and let's get down to brass tacks. that means pick one, then define the scientific principle that is the basis of said device and we can go from there...

and why don't you start a new thread to do it in... ::)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2333 on: January 25, 2011, 06:02:46 PM »
Sjack Abeling's device, for instance, is based on a workable principle. It inherently contains in its very construction a persistent violation of the lever rule at every position of the wheel.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2333 on: January 25, 2011, 06:02:46 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2334 on: January 30, 2011, 01:17:22 AM »
Sjack Abeling's device, for instance, is based on a workable principle. It inherently contains in its very construction a persistent violation of the lever rule at every position of the wheel.

Working principle, my ass.
Sjack Ab's device is a joke for the kids. Naturally, you swallowed it, hook and sinker.

Now, what?
Where are your proofs, Omnibot?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2335 on: January 30, 2011, 02:11:36 AM »
In addition to the fact that the center of mass is always sideways with respect to the center of rotation at any position of the wheel (that is, the lever rule is persistently violated at every position of the wheel) which can be verified at once using WM2D, the total torque calculated for every position of the wheel is always of negative value, as is seen in the graph below. These two facts prove that inherently the wheel at hand is an overunity device. If a technical way is found for friction to be decreased below the limit of obstructing the inherent OU effect (OU effect is inherent, friction is changeable, depending on the skills of the builder) a working perpetuum mobile can be built.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2335 on: January 30, 2011, 02:11:36 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2336 on: January 30, 2011, 02:33:29 AM »
Lol, Ok, Omni, try to comprehend this:

An usefull work is something that you can ACTUALLY use to do something... And, a "zero loss environment" doesn't guarantee you that. 
"Sjack's Abeling's wheel" is a dead duck. One of the many, many, previously understood concepts.

Btw, why don't you start with Leonardo's calculations? Wrt. "overbalance", that is? And even Leonardo had a "version of Sjack Abelings"  concept in his papers... (lol)

And, why are you so frustrated with a friction? Surely, you should be more concerned about the "useful work"?
Friction would be just a small part (losses) of the (otherwise) WORKING device.

Typically, energy IN equals to energy OUT ("useful work" + "losses").


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2337 on: January 30, 2011, 02:47:42 AM »
It's just propaganda that perpetuum mobile has never been made because, obviously, the concept it is based on is viable and therefore doable. Unfortunately, the mainstream resoirces and infrastructure are deliberately diverted to mostly fruitless projects.

As for useful work, the work done by violating the lever rule is an example of useful work. Persistently violating the lever rule, as in the device at hand, known for centuries, is persistent doing of useful work. Working internal combustion engines also do useful work but when increasing friction by, say, placing sand inside an ICE will make it non-working. That doesn't mean that ICE's cannot do useful work.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2338 on: January 30, 2011, 02:55:03 AM »
Btw, what is a (persistent) violation of a "lever rule"

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2339 on: January 30, 2011, 02:58:24 AM »
In addition to the fact that the center of mass is always sideways with respect to the center of rotation at any position of the wheel (that is, the lever rule is persistently violated at every position of the wheel) which can be verified at once using WM2D, the total torque calculated for every position of the wheel is always of negative value, as is seen in the graph below. These two facts prove that inherently the wheel at hand is an overunity device. If a technical way is found for friction to be decreased below the limit of obstructing the inherent OU effect (OU effect is inherent, friction is changeable, depending on the skills of the builder) a working perpetuum mobile can be built.

Omnibus,

I do not post on this forum very often any more, it is guys like you and P-motion that have driven me away. You keep screaming about how good Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel is but yet you post a wm2D graph showing negative torque for every position of the wheel. when will you come to your senses and get off your soap box. 

This thread is now 161 pages long and pushing it's third year of existence. Some of the best members to be found have built, modified, and experimented with similar proto-types.  All to no avail, this thing will never work. I advised Preston Stroud of that fact when he offered to collaborate with me on his build. I told him that I was not interested because it will not work.

My biggest bitch is to be interrupted with e-mail notifications that a new post has been made on this thread which should by all rights be dead and closed.

As for Abling's website stating that they were having problems with the machine running away with itself is a crock of bull.  The machine has never worked, in fact I rather doubt if the build of his plywood proto-type shown in his introductory video was ever finished.

Please take your negative results stating that it will produce power to some other forum, or at least to a different catagory that I am not linked to.

Ralph   

 

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