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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2280 on: March 20, 2010, 03:05:17 AM »
Here is another BRILLIANT idea from Jim.  ::)

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« Reply #92 on: February 25, 2010, 09:50:24 PM »Quote  @All,
 The attached pic shows one way the weights could work together. This would allow for gravity being used twice as a weight falls.
 First, it lifts a weight inward helping to conserve energy.
Then second, the lever it is on presses against a warped board pumping the water upward.


I don't know how he expects one weight to lift another equal weight as pictured and have power left to force water up.  All this in a fraction of a second! 

Jim,  you hate being proven wrong and when you are, you act like a whining bitch!  Stop allready.  Just talk wheels or shut up. 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2281 on: March 20, 2010, 04:24:42 AM »
SO. After 2.5 years and 156 pages ,has anyone made one of these that really works????

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2282 on: March 20, 2010, 11:23:04 PM »
  overtaker,
 This is the reason Alan and I are not getting along right now. While he won't admit it, it is the reason he didn't want me building new slots for the wheel I have.
 This is also why I believe he refered to himself as a teacher. Not sure, but do believe teacher's would be concerned about the health of their students. I don't think he understands the problems that can come along with medical problems. Otherwise, he'd be hoping I'd work past my problems so I can build it.
 I am fairly certain other people in here would like to see it built. But at the moment I don't have the $150 minimum for tooling I would need before I think about starting the build.
 But the wait also allows me to review the design as it does have to have one to be built. And for it being built using wood, I am about the only one in here with any experience in building wheels that are 6 feet in diameter.


                                                                                              Jim

edited be ause I left the k out of like

NO! NO! NO! Jim

 I want you to build your wheels. For only then, will you see I was only trying to save you some time and money. But since you don't believe my opinion you have no choice but to build. Also once I finish building my running wheel I will even help you out with the expenses.

 Now stop crying about your illnesses. Like I said before, you are stronger than that. I believe this statement is what you called me being cruel to you. Now I work with pain every day, but I am stronger than my pain. That is the lesson you should learn. I have a big wooden sign over the door way to remind me to go on. Thou shalt not whine.

Here is something my grandfather told me a long time ago. (he died at 96 years of age) he worked till the day he died.
>> Never retire in your hart or mind for that is a consent to death. <<
 So when you give up, your heath will deteriorate. Now, have I been truly cruel? Only if you look at it as you have to be cruel to be kind. ;)

P.S. Bessler said something like size didn't matter. LOL  I stick with wheel no bigger than 4 foot. That way I can transport them in a car or truck. Now that doesn't include the stands height. 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2284 on: March 21, 2010, 02:46:12 PM »
x00013,
 What I consider pure eengineering are the Viking Long Ships. Considering that to think about these, we need to consider going back in time about 1,000 years.
 Also they allowed the Vikings to cross the Atlantic Ocean as well as sail to the Middle East.
With the speed they possessed and the cargo they could carry, it shows they were strong and durable.
 Pure engineering at it's finest.

Thanks Jim for bringing this up.

 In viking times the blacksmiths were always involved  with any construction and engineering. From the designing to the tools and what ever is needed to build the ship. Except the wood cutting, and sail weaving but the smith made their tools to do that job as well.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2285 on: March 21, 2010, 03:17:14 PM »
  To discuss armoring as pure engineering, I think I would go with Roman Armoring.
 One of the reasons for this is that British Armoring was far more mechanized.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ancient-roman-armor.html

The advancements of the Romans were impressive for all the construction and military tactics ect. Alot was assimilated from other countries they conquered. All the artisans, blacksmiths/armorers, ect. were always assimilated into the roman society for their advancements.

Now back to wheel work. Bessler dealt with blacksmith for all the tools, weights, gears, drills, fasteners, files, ect. of what he needed. 

BTW, Here is one of my Roman chest plates that is a bit more historic. I study all ancient history for the mechanical advancements. For I am quite often involved with reconstruction of such machines due to my skills. 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2286 on: March 21, 2010, 04:59:23 PM »
  I doubt metal smiths designed those ships. In what I have learned about them, that has never been suggested.
 As for the sail making, the needles were most likely made out of bone. So as far as the sills go, metal smiths most likely had nothing to do with them.
 It is possible the ships were made using the adzes the metal smiths made. and that could be the closest they came to those ships. Of course if they were cross trained, then I would have something in common with them.

Jim you need to read this about viking needles.
http://www.stringpage.com/viking/needles.html

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2287 on: March 21, 2010, 05:19:09 PM »
Or it could be you're just an armorer. With your air bubble idea, I made a couple suggestions. But you stayed with your idea as posted. The design did have flaws.
 Such as a blower consumes to much energy before it can pump air. it is not positive displacemnent which is needed at low rpm's. Also, air bubbles in water will try to float what is above it. Yet you believed it would decrease the density of water allowing a weighted float to sink.
 There is a difference between manufacturing soemthing and understanding the engineering behind it.

Jim
 
 About the bubbles. Even the Myth Busters proved you can sink boats with bubbles. The only real problem is can it get enough bubbles to make it work and will it work well enough to keep enough bubbles.

As for being an engineer it means

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Engineers apply the principles of science and mathematics to develop economical solutions to technical problems. Their work is the link between scientific discoveries and the commercial applications that meet societal and consumer needs.

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Metallurgy is a domain of materials science that studies the physical and chemical behavior of metallic  elements, their intermetallic compounds, and their mixtures, which are called alloys. It is also the technology  of metals: the way in which science is applied to their practical use. Metallurgy is commonly used in the craft of metalworking.

metallurgy. safety equipment/armour. designs of all kinds of equipment and the construction of.  ballistics, to know how much protection to apply to the armour. Like I have said, the Blacksmithing/armouring  is pure engineering. But there are allot of engineering titles, and allot of them have nothing to do with what either of us do. So can we stop with all this of who is or is not an engineer? It is totally trivial in reality.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2288 on: March 21, 2010, 06:32:48 PM »
In your concept Alan, bubbles would not have worked. As usual, you cahnged the discussion to someone else. You're not the Myth Busters. Besides, they've already proved perpetual motion is impossible if you go by what they say.
 As for what bessler said, a good carpenter could build his wheel. This means my brother Eddie would be better qualified than you as he has over 35 years of construction experience.
 I know what an engineer is Alan, I've worked with many in my life. This is how I know you are not o0ne.
 You sound more like an attorney trying a case. But you can present no eviddence as to your engineering abiliity. Your grid and Keel Effect are testaments to this. You do not discuss the actual engineering.
 If you understood it, you would. I think this is why you get upset with me, I do dscuss engineering in detail.

FDROLMAO Jim

 I prove without a shadow of a bought with quotes from definitions of an engineer and you now say  you that it don't count and you judge. WOW I didn't realize I was talking to an engineering god. ::)
Give it up! It is only trivial, especially your opinion. As to what someone is. You don't have the authority or the qualification to give or take titles away.  So go play with yourself and leave this trivial crap out of it.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2289 on: March 21, 2010, 06:37:46 PM »
  What's your point ? You said they used metal needles. I pointed out your mistake and you have proven me right.
 At least one of us knows history.

You Idiot, I never said they didn't use bone but what the link said is only large needles the rest are metals. And that doesn't mean large needle were not made or metal either. What tools are there to make the large needle. A metal knife perhaps?

 Without Blacksmith we would all be in the stone age. Nothing more need be said.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2290 on: March 21, 2010, 07:21:20 PM »

 Your grid and Keel Effect are not engineering. They both missed the potential of Mt 24.
 Yet things in here will never change because you wish to be recognized as having some type of engineering ability which you are unwilling to demonstrate.


                                                                                Jim

Jim

 Do you still don't know how to read this simple stagnant grid?  It is nothing more that a grid of spacing yet it is more valuable than all you have ever talked about. If you need to check the movement you will have to use the grid for each and every movement of the wheel to check placements. If your placements don't show overbalance you better hope your effects will compensate, or you won't have a chance of a runner. But yet it is a simple grid  ;D

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« Reply #2291 on: March 21, 2010, 10:42:17 PM »
  I prefferr learning. If I lived in the Stone Age, then it might seem like a good idea.
But in being a modern human or homo sapien, I can reason.
 This means I can understand concepts in math and how the laws of science might apply to them.
 Of course, as I have mentioned, it missed the potential in Mt 24. It did not observe there was an over balance.
 If so, you would not have been pushing your keel effect. Still don't know how that applies to a wheel with an obvious over balance, but you sy it does. End of discussion.
 That is why there is nothng to talk about. You won't let us out of the Stone Age. After all, I beleive Bessler used hydraulics which in his time would have been an advanced concept. It is something that you seem to have no understanding of.
 But we could continue on talking about how vital your work  is to the rise of modern science and living, but it is only a part of what has been learned.
 After all, when iw orked at Boeing I worked with exotic metals but haven't said that without Boeing we'd have nothing.

To much Bull$#!+ to reply. Totally out of content.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2292 on: March 21, 2010, 10:53:35 PM »
  Thi8s is a funny one. Speaking of exotic metals, the Chinese had developed titanium 2,000 years ago.
But they turned their metalurgy into plows.
 The secret they discoverred which European metal smiths missed was that round bellows pumped more air than the spade type bellows they used.
 If they would've understood how air flow could increase the burn in their fires, who knows what advances they might've helped bring about. But they missed a principle in engineering that they worked with on a daily basis.
 You see, the Chinese used double pistons to move more air. This allowed one pump to be pushing air into the fire box. Because of this, theyr actually invented diffeent alloys. And with your bubble machnie, I suggested to you to use a piston type pump but you said you would only consider a blower because you had worked with them.
 As I said Alan, there really is nothing to be discussed. And it is okay if you call me an idiot. Your friend has ridiculed me for admitting I served in the U.S. Navy while you call me anti-American.
 And to think you can't admit having served in the U.S. Coast Gaurd.


                                                                                 Bye
 A modern parallel for an observation about the past.

tiss tiss Jim

People don't ridicule you for serving in the US Navy. That should be something to be proud of. It is the anti American statements you have made.
 I don't flaunt my time in the Coast Guard as a crutch. I severed it proudly and have no need to bring it up to the likes of you. 

PS you don't know jack about Blacksmithing. Your little search into bellows proves it. And I am not going to teach you. You found a reference and I have hundreds. I don't think you know what a forge it either.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2293 on: March 22, 2010, 01:21:53 AM »
You're funny Alan. You tell me to listen to Michael and he said that is where your keel effect came from your time in the USCG. You said it was your armoring made you aware of things in histroy.
 I was ridiculed for serving in the Navy by a friend of yours. That is anti-American in my book.
You keep saying I make anti_American statements but have never shown anything.
What is even funnier is how you say metal smiths have done this and that and yet reject machinists as not as valued as armorers.
 Myself, I've worked on parts that allow planes to fly and have made parts that went on satelites in space.

A modern metal worker.
 By the way, the specific reason i was ridiculed for serving in the Navy is beause I said I went to school.
It seems you and your friends reject education.
 As for you wanting me to look up bellows, look up when advanced alloys were discovered, it was either late 19th or early 20th century.
 But as I said, you sound like a lawyer trying to prove something. Could be you have no physical evidence to support your claims. Other wise you wouldn't be saying you proved a definition or technical point. You have a position to protect which would make you entitled.
 I think that's all you are about. That is why you used to promote yourself so much as belonging to rlortie's private for profit build group. Lately you haven't mentioned your affiliation with him ? Has he tired of you ?

p.s. I didn't do a search about the bellows. I'm not like you. Did you find when they could make titanium ?

It is funnier that you keep telling everybody what I think and believe. For you have no idea.
But here is one of your statement, that I never said or insinuated. Your slander is endless.

What is even funnier is how you say metal smiths have done this and that and yet reject machinists as not as valued as armorers.
 Myself, I've worked on parts that allow planes to fly and have made parts that went on satelites in space.


The fact are you are taught to operate machines. You build to specifications. If you do your job correctly it passes inspection and is applied to the machine it goes on. This will make you a good worker that follows instruction.
 Now a Blacksmith get a picture, description or part of a machine he has to fit and design a part to fit or even invent and he makes it by hand. Histrionically the first machinist tools were made by blacksmiths. If it were not for Blacksmiths mechanical engineers would not exist. You owe your job existence to the blacksmith trade.
 The glory if the machinist trade, they at first were Blacksmiths that built the machine which was used to build a bigger and better machine and it continues from there to our modern technology.  This will be the same with the wheel. From each wheel that come into existence the next one will be a bigger and better wheel. That is the way of progress. Don't ever forget your origin, or you insult the trade.

PS. When I get time I will go back through all the post and get all the anti American statements and put them on a string just for you with all references to where you posted them. That will be a job for it will take time to sort through all your Bull$#!+.  But that is what you are asking for and have given permission in writing, so you can't holler slander. FDROLMAO

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You keep saying I make anti_American statements but have never shown anything.
Legally you just asked me to show them. FDROLMAO

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2294 on: March 22, 2010, 03:40:55 AM »
  Alan,
 Do you know what makes you sound like a bigot ? When you said that if my dad worked for you for 4 years you could teach him.
Then you turn around say people like him who built ships, boats, tooling and other things support the fact that you're an engineer.
 It shows how funny you are in a sick way. He can do the work and you say it supports you. He's shown many people how capable he is. Yert all you can say is armoring, one thing.
 It's like even omnibus tried pointing out to you, it has nothing to do with wheels.
 If you're such a good armorer, why are you trying to make yourself out to know all types of engineering ?
The fact I spent my time learning is something you don't like. It doesn't allow you to contol my thoughts.
 Of course, I haven't seen you harass anyone like you have me. And yet you call me anti-American because I don't support your beliefs. Another sign of bigotry.

Jim
 I am about to go to bed. I have been working wheel work off and on all day and I should be finished tomorrow night. But I am winding down and I will answer all this statement piece by piece.

Do you know what makes you sound like a bigot ?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
Sorry but a bigot falls in the same category as a raciest and sometimes call together a raciest bigot. I am neither and have friends of all races and all over the world. And would not be afraid of calling any of them brother, or sister.

When you said that if my dad worked for you for 4 years you could teach him.
To build by hand it would take about 4 years to cross train for the average person, because it does not depend on machines, and hand skill is harder to learn. But I am sure he could teach me allot of modern machinist work as well.

Then you turn around say people like him who built ships, boats, tooling and other things support the fact that you're an engineer. It shows how funny you are in a sick way. He can do the work and you say it supports you. He's shown many people how capable he is. Yert all you can say is armoring, one thing.
 It's like even omnibus tried pointing out to you, it has nothing to do with wheels.
 If you're such a good armorer, why are you trying to make yourself out to know all types of engineering ?

 There are all kinds of engineers and in history the Blacksmith was in the middle of all of it.  The rest you spouted is nothing but garbage and I believe omnibus was talking to you about starting all these arguments. Again for all these argument you are the sick one. I want to talk wheel.

The fact I spent my time learning is something you don't like. It doesn't allow you to contol my thoughts.
 Of course, I haven't seen you harass anyone like you have me. And yet you call me anti-American because I don't support your beliefs. Another sign of bigotry.


No good deed goes unpunished they say. I tried to help you and you call it controlling your thoughts, and forever more attacking me and calling me what you have proved to be. FDROLMAO  It is so ridiculous I have to laugh.

Good night
Alan

 

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