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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 602332 times)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2250 on: March 15, 2010, 03:22:56 AM »
What fascinates me is the Bhaskara's wheel (http://keelynet.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/bhaskaras-wheel-interesting-claim-of-replication/) -- the oldest ever perpetuum mobile --  which is the ultimate "Abeling wheel" as it were. This is the way to minimize friction to the lowest possible extent. How do you make the ramp, however, to maintain persistent violation of the lever rule? So, there's always a catch of a technical nature. Engineering, engineering and engineering (almost like the real estate mantra -- location, location, location).

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2251 on: March 15, 2010, 02:12:56 PM »
@P-Motion,

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Perpetual motion is impossible. All ideas are dead ends. Not even sure why a person wastes their time with it.

If that is true then what are you trying to accomplish by building your rigs?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2252 on: March 15, 2010, 02:50:19 PM »
Sorry to hear that. Hope it's behind you now. As for the attempts to build perpetuum mobile, like I said, the rig should be such as to maintain persistent violation of the lever rule -- the center of mass should always be sideways to the axle for all positions of the wheel. Yours doesn't abide by that rule and if you really want to make a working device you should change the design.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2253 on: March 15, 2010, 06:29:01 PM »
This is why I am quiting. it was not shown by anyone but Alan whop can not prove he has built anything.
In simpler terms, it is a waste of my time to argue a point when the person against has said that if math could solve it, it would have already done so.

Jim

People can go back through my strings and see several wheels and designs of wheels that I have built and designed, and they are even original. So what you are saying is a lie. I asked you, for this string to be keep civil and just talk wheel. But it seems you can't do that. But if you are quitting? May you have a good and less stressful life.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2254 on: March 15, 2010, 11:57:40 PM »
  Alan,
Don't know what you said and don't care. But I don't consider something done behind closed doors to be a build. There is nothing to verify or document why it was built the way it was.
 As for what I work on, you buildonce4 and quit according to what you have stated, and with me, i do progressive builds which is something not very well understood.
 But for you and your dilike of matha nd science Alan, American kids rate in the bottom 1/3rd of all industrialized countries. apparently they agree with you that taking the time to elarn is not worth the effort.
 But where you posted in the thread Self Rolling Wheel that you do use math to figure over balance and take notes when you build is not supported by your actions. After all, you told me building was a waste of my time. But in building something i haven't built before, it would help me ona more involved project. And ever since I posted the Self Rolling Wheel, you have done nothing but attack me and diwagree with everythng i say. I think the build which was wrong according to markh'ss drawing shows the lengths youa re willing to go to to discredit me/
 Alan, one thing hasn't changed, you are still over weight. But do wonder why you quit posting that you have it worse than anybody in here.Anyone that starved for control has problems.Try a diet, it will do more for you than I ever could.

Sorry Jim

 You seem to have digressed to nothing but lies and insult, making you sound like a shit salesman with a mouth full of samples. Be civil or don't talk is my suggestion. You hurt yourself more with what you say than anything I could say.

Alan


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2255 on: March 16, 2010, 12:20:54 AM »
Alan, What is it you told me once ? If I wish to be credible, I should follow your lead.
 And the next thing you did was explain to someone why their idea would not work.
 It is like Alexioco posted, people used to post their idea's in here and discuss them. It could be your negative attitude towards discussions isn't something people new to the forum find appealing.
 Maybe it is because in armoring, it has not changed in hundreds of years, that considering new thoughts is to much of a challenge ?

Jim
Have you ever considered it could be your mouth!!! ?  ::)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2256 on: March 16, 2010, 12:23:33 AM »
  @All,
 With a progressive build, what eevr I would have built next would have been to try new techniques so I could have an idea of how I might build differently. But it really isn't worth listening to an Alan. I don't think he has ever been exposed to engineering where the builds start simple and increase in complexity.
 With trying an advanced design with 4 weights would have been more about the engineering in the construction of the wheel. As I've seen on youtube, i am one of the very few people who build decent size wooden wheels.
So there really isn't anyone I can turn to to ask for help. This means building is the only way i can learn. And trying things along the way while I develop my proficiency seems to make more sense than building something that I am not sure how I would do it.
 But I guess I am wrong.

You need a tissue?  :'( :'( :'(

The string was starting to get back on track until your started you poor jim act and start attacking me.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2258 on: March 16, 2010, 01:33:14 AM »
Xx00013  Why can't I be attacked by one of those? :)

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« Reply #2259 on: March 16, 2010, 12:05:24 PM »
  Nah Alan, you always go off topic. It's your real engineering experience. It doesn't allow anyone else to know anything.
 I mean really, your not my dad yet you claim you had your son trying to straighten me out because I wasn't doing what you told me to do. I know who my father is. he's a Norwegian immigrant that you don't like.
 How do I know ? he's done more than you ever will and yet you say your engineering is the real thing. Talk about having no respect. I've worked with him and can gaurantee you your aromring would be to easy for him. He's used to doing more difficult metal working which was sometimes done by hand.
 So if you ever get it Alan, i don't consider your ecxperience to be worth shit. You can't even man up and admit to having served in the USCG. Why ?
 You remind me of a little kid who says I'll have my big brother (Ralph) beat you up.
The fact is Alan, you took it off topic because your one and done build by randomly placing weights negates the need to do a stress analisys which real engineering requires.
 After all, when I build something, i don't need your approval. That is what I call arrogant. Assuming why i'm building soemthing without asking me what build plan I am working to.
 This shows you really don't know much.
 Of course, that's why I'm not building any more.  you're an expert yet refuse to do an open build. Talk about backwards.

Jim

 IMO you are one mentally sick person.

You said >> I know who my father is. he's a Norwegian immigrant that you don't like.<<

Another lie! I said nothing of the sort. For I am no a raciest, like you seem to be, and I  take offense when someone tries to say so. But I did say you should listen to your father.

you said to me >>you're an expert yet refuse to do an open build.<<

 Your statement just proves I am not a ranting fool. I asked you very nicely to keep this on wheel work and you went to complete slander and lies about me. So if this is all you are about? leave me alone!!!.

By the way!!.
 It has been checked by modern engineers and machinist that it would take equipment pricing well into the millions to achieve the work I do by hand. But once set up it could do it faster. But for each change it would cost several thousands more to adjust to all the different sizes as well and then what about the real custom stuff.  No Jim your father nor you, can not do what I do unless he or you was willing to spend millions of dollars and then he or you, would be lost on the custom unless he, I wouldn't allow you, to apprenticed with me for at least 4 years with his prior experience. What I do is a very specialized work, and is a true art.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2260 on: March 16, 2010, 07:16:29 PM »
Alan,
 I've said before I don't work with private builders. Besides, if the water wheel is capable of being a runner, you can't be a part of it. I could never explain away your posts for the last 2 years.
 As for my dad, I doubt he would ever work with a bigot like you. or is it someone so lacking in ability ? I think he'd be laughing to hard at you. He'd see you as a little boy trying to prove himself. Kind of like Don Knots on Mayberry RFD.
 By the way Alan, the only thing to be answered is if you are going to accept my challenge. As you say, your ideas are much better than mine. I am giving you a chance to publicly demonstrate how much better you are than me. And you can even have Ralph help you if you like.

LOL Jim

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As for my dad, I doubt he would ever work with a bigot like you.

I am not the bigot, I deal with each individuals by their own merits. Not their color, religion, or origin. You are the pronounced anti American, IMO and probably most others too, which makes you a real bigot. I guess I will have to look up your Dad and let him take care of you, for using him in your delusions, and dishonor. If he is alive, he can be found.

 Besides I don't want to be apart of any of your wheels. The only reason I offered to help your build is to try to shut you up on what has no chance in hell of being a runner, specially for what you have posted, and you keep telling the world that you know something you obviously don't, and an embarrassment to real builders. As for your challenge. It is nothing but a cheep asinine trick to try to get my information, which you will NEVER GET!!! So quit trying. You will know only after the patent with every one else.  I have said this many times before. "SO GET A CLUE!!".

I help by pointing out the problems like a good teacher that makes you learn. I don't spoon feed the answers. No one should ask or in your case demand the answers without earning it.


You said this, but it is more of a self description of yourself.
I think he'd be laughing to hard at you. He'd see you as a little boy trying to prove himself. Kind of like Don Knots on Mayberry RFD.




I don't have to prove myself for I have been proved many times over. I have been recognized in several countries for my mastery of armor work. and I have been paid for shows at ABBANA sponsored conferences. I have been in art magazines and newspapers for my work. I have had my work in museums as well.
 What have you done or Had? So far a big 0, but you have allot of claims of knowledge that has been falling apart before everyone's eyes. So then you revert to attacking me. How pathetic. ::)
 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2261 on: March 16, 2010, 11:22:55 PM »
Alan said:  What have you done or Had? So far a big 0


This is not true!   He pushed a broom in an engine room.  He discovered how great the engineering was in the corner broom.  He used math to determine the perfect sweep pattern.  Your just jealous you can't clean a floor as well!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2262 on: March 17, 2010, 01:51:17 AM »
  Alan,
 Plain and simple, you're a hater.

Jim

So if defending myself and my wrights that makes me a hater. Well it is only in your book, not in reality. I could easily go back through all the strings and add up all your statements of hate and we will see who is a hater. But I would rather call it over and all you have to do is stop talking to or about me. I will not stop talking to others and I wouldn't expect you to either. And most of all keep it on the wheel only. Like I have said before. This has to stop.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2263 on: March 18, 2010, 12:02:24 AM »
You're not defending yourself Alan, you're defending your position.
 This is what you said about Mt 24
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 The wheel that show a interesting movement, but the problem that kills it is the keel factor no matter how much movements you get in it.<<

 As you see, no discussion. What almost killed it was you Alan.
You also posted was my ignorance in only discussing math and that a common denominator was needed. In engineering, math is the common denominator.
 And anyone can check that thread and see how many people were involved in that discussion until you insisted on controlling the discussion.
Would you like me to show the posts where you support Ralph ? And where Ralph knowing English is my second language posted a few times that my spelling in English proves I'm an idiot.
 i think anyone that supports a bigot is a bigot.
  And now, once agian you are telling me you are trying to stop me from wasting my time on an idea that can not work.
 It seems history is on my side Alan, not yours. Of course, i have taken the time to become familiar wwith it.

Jim Lindgaard

 The fact that you will not leave well enough along and only talk wheel shows you to be the real cyber-stalker. I wasn't going to bring this up. I still hoped that there was hope for you. But you are not holding back at your constant attacks and misinformation to try to discredit me, has reached fanatical levels. >:(


To all
IMO, Jim Lindgaard can't reed, or understand a simple grid. Nor does he understand the basics of the research of gravity motors. If it is not in long drawn out math, he is incapable of understanding it. This makes him at best an educated idiot. This means you have to get inside his head and pray you don't get lost, to truly talk to him and I am not a psychiatrist so obviously I can't talk to him. But I will try this very basic part that all have to surpass to get a gravity wheel to even have a chance, unless a totally new way/approach was found.

So Jim
If you don't have enough weight in the correct position above the 3 to 9 mark, what I call the keel line. You will never ever lift the weights over for reset and achieve over balance. Very basic Physics uses falling weights (designs similar to what you show) to show this to be impossible.
Are you that disconnected from reality? Or are you just that desperate for attention? ::)

 So just stop talking to or about me. I will not stop talking to others and I wouldn't expect you to either. And most of all keep it on the wheel only. Like I have said before. This has to stop.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2264 on: March 18, 2010, 12:03:38 AM »


  Alan,
 You keep referring to your armoring. This is not an armoring forum.
 You told me
>>"SO GET A CLUE!!". <<
 maybe you need to get one.

 You again
>>No one should ask or in your case demand the answers without earning it.<<

 Hmm, you mean you don’t recognize 2 ½ years of discussions and builds not earning it ?

 You again
>> Besides I don't want to be apart of any of your wheels.<<

 If this were so, you would leave me alone.
 But as has been discussed before, you are nothing more than a business man looking for opportunity for yourself. In the thread “My Current Build”, you said you had ideas for my design. That one was a non-runner but you wanted to be a part of it as you liked the idea.
 This is an advanced design of what you admitted liking. And even if it doesn’t work, there are people that would find it interesting. After all, they might come up with their own variation or decide it does look good but doesn’t quite do it.
 But as I have said, people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves. And as to your being a  teacher that does not consider math, science, engineering or mechanics, that would go back to religion of which your step son Michael said you are a Theologian. As such, teacher and Messiah are the same word. Someone an expert in Antiquity such as yourself and a theologian would know that when jesus was called Messiah, he was being called teacher.

Jim Lindgaard

Stop talking to or about me. I will not stop talking to others and I wouldn't expect you to either. And most of all keep it on the wheel only. Like I have said before. This has to stop.

 

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