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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 566217 times)

Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #225 on: April 09, 2009, 12:12:04 PM »
Test 5

I have overlaid the barriers as I understand it from the video footage. Please check the screen shots I posted...

the red spheres represent the side view of the dumbbells. The green dot represents the extended axle which touches the barriers, the weights itself do not touch the barriers.

Now the KAD arms are a bit off and too short, but hopefully you will be able to see the path.

A) WEIGHT AXLE ENCOUNTERS LOWER BARRIER AT AROUND SIX O CLOCK FROM THE INSIDE
B) WEIGHT MOVES UP ALONG THE INSIDE OF THE LOWER BARRIER
C) WEIGHT PASSES LOWER BARRIER AND STAYS ALMOST MOTIONLESS FOR A MOMENT
D) THE WEIGHT MOVES RIGHT CAUSED BY THE MOMENTUM OF THE WHEEL
E) THE WEIGHT AXLE ENCOUNTERS THE UPPER BARRIER FROM THE OUTSIDE
F) WEIGHT MOVES UP ALONG THE UPPER BARRIER BY MOMENTUM
G) WEIGHT FINDS ITSELF IN THE SOCKET AGAIN AT 12:30, EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS AT 17:30

I hope you can now see what I mean...

AGAIN: SEVEN WEIGHTS ON THE LEFT - NINE ON THE RIGHT. HERE IS YOUR "D".

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #226 on: April 09, 2009, 12:23:36 PM »
I have overlaid the barriers as I understand it from the video footage. Please check the screen shots I posted...

the red spheres represent the side view of the dumbbells. The green dot represents the extended axle which touches the barriers, the weights itself do not touch the barriers.

Now the KAD arms are a bit off and too short, but hopefully you will be able to see the path.

A) WEIGHT AXLE ENCOUNTERS LOWER BARRIER AT AROUND SIX O CLOCK FROM THE INSIDE
B) WEIGHT MOVES UP ALONG THE INSIDE OF THE LOWER BARRIER
C) WEIGHT PASSES LOWER BARRIER AND STAYS ALMOST MOTIONLESS FOR A MOMENT
D) THE WEIGHT MOVES RIGHT CAUSED BY THE MOMENTUM OF THE WHEEL
E) THE WEIGHT AXLE ENCOUNTERS THE UPPER BARRIER FROM THE OUTSIDE
F) WEIGHT MOVES UP ALONG THE UPPER BARRIER BY MOMENTUM
G) WEIGHT FINDS ITSELF IN THE SOCKET AGAIN AT 12:30, EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS AT 17:30

I hope you can now see what I mean...

AGAIN: SEVEN WEIGHTS ON THE LEFT - NINE ON THE RIGHT. HERE IS YOUR "D".

Hmm intresting..

I haven't got time now..  So i give you guys some files to play with...  There are still some barriers left.

Maybe a stupid question, but should we consider the rotation of the earth?  Because a water whirl always wants to go in the same direction, maybe this can influence this as well...  (Not in the software, but IRL )  It might be of any influence to put it in a certain compass direction line-up.

Anyway here are the files.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #227 on: April 09, 2009, 12:28:16 PM »
Aquariuz, i was thinking of the dumbells again.. I think the principle is the same, he uses the dumbbells middle bar to lift and st ear them, i do this with the open rails...  Same effect different approach in my opinion.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #228 on: April 09, 2009, 12:30:53 PM »
Aquariuz, i was thinking of the dumbells again.. I think the principle is the same, he uses the dumbbells middle bar to lift and st ear them, i do this with the open rails...  Same effect different approach in my opinion.

The lift is on the OUTSIDE, this is the trick. Please check previous. No construction inside the two layers. I hope to finish a correctly scaled model today, preferably without a motor.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #229 on: April 09, 2009, 12:37:34 PM »
The lift is on the OUTSIDE, this is the trick. Please check previous. No construction inside the two layers. I hope to finish a correctly scaled model today, preferably without a motor.



I did try something similar, i made the ramp a closed path, so it stears the upcoming weights as well in the inside as the outside.. but that didn't work....

I do however see something in you're drawing.. that if you can skip an arm due to the shorter path then you would have indeed more weights on the long side then on the short side...  That needs some more investigation..

I'm looking forward to see you're model!


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #230 on: April 09, 2009, 12:38:37 PM »
Here the snapshot again with adjusted lighting.

You can clearly see the two barriers or stoppers located between the wheel layer and the stand.

This leads me to believe that the weights are indeed extended axle dumbbells.

This also makes me think I have figured out the concept.

Time will tell!

PS: There is a very good reason why Abeling did not want the device filmed from the front near the axle area because you would clearly see the stoppers...

Sorry Sjack, but do not worry you will still get all the credit and be rich & alive.  8)

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« Reply #231 on: April 09, 2009, 02:16:28 PM »
Geachte heer,

Naar aanleiding van uw aanvraag deel ik u hierbij mede, dat Henkel nauw betrokken is bij de "verlijmingsvraagstukken" van het project van de heer Abeling met betrekking tot de Gewicht Energie Centrale. Het betreft een serieus project. Voor verdere informatie verwijzen wij u graag door naar de heer Abeling.

Met vriendelijke groet / best regards,

Rom Rombouts
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Dear Sir,

With regards to your request for information we confirm that Henkel is closely involved with the "glue attachment challenges" of the project of Mr. Abeling with regards to the Weight Power Plant. It is indeed a serious project. For further information we refer you to Mr. Abeling.

With kind regards,

Rom Rombouts
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Good enough for me...

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #232 on: April 09, 2009, 02:46:29 PM »
Gents,

The way to make the "Newton's Cradle" energy transfer work in WM2D has to do with the property "elastic".  You can wikipedia elasticity for the details.  But in layman's terms:  Lowering the elastic property makes an object absorb energy.  It becomes more like a ball of clay and will not bounce.  Raising the elasticity to it's maximum of 1 makes it return all of it's energy.  So it becomes super hard and will bounce forever, returning to the same height from which it is initially dropped.  Of course the surface you are dropping onto also needs to have an elasticity of 1.

Might be time to look up the elasticity of glass, though I am of the mind that this is actually a reference to fiberglass, which was also mentioned very early in this thread.

Great find with the external cam profiles in the video.  I had thought this must be a part of the whole so it's nice to see it in the pictures.

Now, where is the extra energy coming from that launches the weights up the ramp?  He says he gathers it in the lower left, or between 6 and 9 o'clock, right?

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #233 on: April 09, 2009, 03:05:47 PM »
Food for thought attached.

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #234 on: April 09, 2009, 04:43:13 PM »
I have overlaid the barriers as I understand it from the video footage. Please check the screen shots I posted...
snip

I hope you can now see what I mean...

AGAIN: SEVEN WEIGHTS ON THE LEFT - NINE ON THE RIGHT. HERE IS YOUR "D".

Aquariuz,

Excellent deductions! This is a very good start. Thanks for posting as a screen shot as I can't read
the wm2d files.

My only quibble is that your pocket shape is not correct... the deep part of the pocket should end
just at transition point where the axle is handed over from the inner guide to the outer guide.

The other point is the two dissimilar pocket shapes... are there perhaps two different actions
taking place? Eight following one path and eight following a different path? With the dropping of
an inner path weight acting to 'lift' the other?

Ron





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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #235 on: April 09, 2009, 05:04:21 PM »
I've considered from the start that the different slot profiles may have been due to trail and error testing.  The video shows what we believe to be prototype wheel(s).  They are roughly made so I think Abeling might have been trying things out.  He might have change the shape of only one slot to see how it performed.  So there could be 16 variations.  Or he might have tried pairs or multiples of pairs of slot profiles.  I think we might be seeing a wheel where half the slots are of one profile attempt and the other half is a second for evaluation purposes.  But I suppose the production machine would use all identical optimum profiles.

Again, just guesses.

M.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #236 on: April 09, 2009, 05:39:34 PM »
@ guys

Guys,

Newton Cradle is out
The wm2d model is by Cherryman I have used a snapshot to show the path via overlay.

I am making my own right now.

Update: Henkel is now asking ME questions  :o

Who am I?
Why am I interested in this project?


Hope I can finish the model before they kill me.  8)

PLEASE LOOK AT MY LAST TEN POSTS OR SO TO GET A THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #237 on: April 09, 2009, 05:43:12 PM »
tell them who you are and why you are interested.

@ guys

Guys,

Newton Cradle is out
The wm2d model is by Cherryman I have used a snapshot to show the path via overlay.

I am making my own right now.

Update: Henkel is now asking ME questions  :o

Who am I?
Why am I interested in this project?


Hope I can finish the model before they kill me.  8)

Offline broli

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #238 on: April 09, 2009, 05:47:00 PM »
I bet this thread will make Abeling sweat a bit. Did anyone so far had direct contact or a response with/of him?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #239 on: April 09, 2009, 05:52:24 PM »
I bet this thread will make Abeling sweat a bit. Did anyone so far had direct contact or a response with/of him?

Omnibus called him yesterday I believe (page 17?)

And I don't think Sjack is watching, even though I have invited him to the forum.

I really think I have cracked it. If the model results are anywhere near what I expect I am building a mini wheel and will make some form of blueprints to share with you.

Hopefully by that time harti can help if I send the wm2d model because I have no decent software to create plans.

 

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